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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: Blikkies1 on May 28, 2021, 10:43:45 am

Title: 990 Values
Post by: Blikkies1 on May 28, 2021, 10:43:45 am
Seen a few 990s for sale lately, '09s and little newer non R models advertised for R100k+, I bought my '09 R 3yrs ago at R85k, she is in almost immaculate condition but I reckon real value is about R75k. I understand that they have a somewhat cult status but this pricing puts a 2015ish 1190R in range, you guys reckon this appreciation or lack of depreciation is sustainable? If so, I'll vacuum seal mine and leave it for a few years, a better investment than crypto it seems ;)
No, I'm not selling mine, you can't sell your best bud.
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: Roxtar on May 28, 2021, 10:48:02 am
Noticed same, not sure why though but reckon guys are realising future value and cult status of these bikes..... I also bought my 08 in 2018 with 11,056km, now has 42,000km on odo coz I just cannot get enough of the thing.... The 1190 might be more powerful, but parked next to a 990 no-one even takes notice of the 1190, see it all the time here in our parking lot with 2 990's parked next to a 1190.....  ;)
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: Blikkies1 on May 28, 2021, 10:59:03 am
Agreed, this is an attempt to manipulate the market to drive the prices down so that I can afford to add a 2nd :biggrin:
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: Kelevra on May 28, 2021, 11:03:01 am
Agreed, this is an attempt to manipulate the market to drive the prices down so that I can afford to add a 2nd :biggrin:

Tsek!
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: LouisXander on May 28, 2021, 11:13:23 am
They advertise, but don't sell at those prices.

I'm also eyeing a 990 to add to my 1150gsa and have noticed the pricing, but most of them have high mileage too
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: Noneking on May 28, 2021, 11:27:13 am
They advertise, but don't sell at those prices.

Agree

Some very unrealistic asking prices all around. Bought a beautiful 990S last year for R67k and a few months ago another one for R80k, which is more  realistic imho. Non S or R models at inflated prices just donít sellÖ.
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: the_BOBNOB on May 28, 2021, 02:30:09 pm
I have seen it a couple of times and bought mine like that.

If your initial asking price is to high people have no interest in it - and then the price drops start and it keeps dropping until it is less than it should be.

Bought mine for cheap because the original asking price was way to high and ended selling for under what it was worth.

Very important to price it right from the start - leaving a little bit of space for negotiations. Otherwise withdraw it form the market and sell it later again at a better initial listing price.
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: JustBendIt on May 28, 2021, 03:06:51 pm
and what about 950s ?

I have a very neat and original 2004 model silver / black 950 with 19 000 kms on it
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: Operator on May 28, 2021, 03:25:06 pm
Seen a few 990s for sale lately, '09s and little newer non R models advertised for R100k+, I bought my '09 R 3yrs ago at R85k, she is in almost immaculate condition but I reckon real value is about R75k. I understand that they have a somewhat cult status but this pricing puts a 2015ish 1190R in range, you guys reckon this appreciation or lack of depreciation is sustainable? If so, I'll vacuum seal mine and leave it for a few years, a better investment than crypto it seems ;)
No, I'm not selling mine, you can't sell your best bud.

2009 KTM 990 Adventure R bookvalue now:


Retail Value
70,500
(retail)
Trade Value
60,500
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: Blikkies1 on May 29, 2021, 07:05:29 pm
Anyone recall new prices?
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: scalci on May 29, 2021, 07:50:17 pm
I bought my 990S in 2008 for R108k
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: chopperpilot on May 29, 2021, 10:03:32 pm
2012 990R, R147k was the new price.

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Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: Etienne2T on May 30, 2021, 08:31:17 am
Itís worth what the market is willing the pay.

KTM Tax, Land Rover Defender Tax, these things exist.
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: LouisXander on May 30, 2021, 08:52:53 am
Agreed, but it's the reverse, except maybe for the Defender.

Ktms are advertised at those prices, but don't necessarily sell at those prices. The ones on FB marketplace ain't selling for sure.
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: voorvel on May 30, 2021, 09:08:40 am
You folks are spoiled with your 990S prices.

They are sought after over here.
After months of searching, I found a 2008 38000km, for close to Ä7000

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Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: BuRP on May 30, 2021, 05:35:55 pm
You folks are spoiled with your 990S prices

And no doubt you are spoilt because most will have hardly seen offroad if at all, ditto for any Defenders  :P
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: Roxtar on May 31, 2021, 02:42:09 pm
Itís worth what the market is willing the pay.

KTM Tax, Land Rover Defender Tax, these things exist.

That's no lie, I have been offered double what I paid for my 2.8i CSW Defender.....
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on May 31, 2021, 03:43:20 pm
We saw it with the Honda Africa Twin.. for years they were overpriced because the next models that Honda bought out were the Transalp and the NC.. everyone wanted an Africa Twin so they were always expensive with legend tax.. until the new Twin came out, then the old Africa Twin values dropped like a stone in a pond.

So you have to wait until KTM brings out something decent  :peepwall:

Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: Blikkies1 on May 31, 2021, 03:58:47 pm
Ha ha, yeah Fuzz, I'm thinking about that 'cliff' specifically, I think the 890 could be the bike that does that to the 990, what could keep the 990 as a cliff-hanger is KTM's recent decision to start production in China, I see that the 490 and a few others will be made there as a start. I can't afford new bikes and don't want a 2nd hand one made in China...
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: MalcolmX on May 31, 2021, 05:30:46 pm
Seen a few 990s for sale lately, '09s and little newer non R models advertised for R100k+, I bought my '09 R 3yrs ago at R85k, she is in almost immaculate condition but I reckon real value is about R75k. I understand that they have a somewhat cult status but this pricing puts a 2015ish 1190R in range, you guys reckon this appreciation or lack of depreciation is sustainable? If so, I'll vacuum seal mine and leave it for a few years, a better investment than crypto it seems ;)
No, I'm not selling mine, you can't sell your best bud.

2009 KTM 990 Adventure R bookvalue now:


Retail Value
70,500
(retail)
Trade Value
60,500
Is the book value associated with a certain mileage?
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: Operator on May 31, 2021, 05:38:41 pm
Book value for bikes are typically based on about 10 000kms per year, but after 10 years it is becoming
very vague as you dont know how good the physical condition is of a bike. Individual bikes will attract different
values, depending on willing buyer/willing seller agreement
 
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: voorvel on May 31, 2021, 07:09:10 pm
Ha ha, yeah Fuzz, I'm thinking about that 'cliff' specifically, I think the 890 could be the bike that does that to the 990, what could keep the 990 as a cliff-hanger is KTM's recent decision to start production in China, I see that the 490 and a few others will be made there as a start. I can't afford new bikes and don't want a 2nd hand one made in China...
I doubt that.
Until KTM releases an affordable bike that shares as much with the current Dakar bikes as the 990 did in its day, it won't happen.

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Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: Allegro on June 02, 2021, 06:02:55 am
Yup, many vehicles & bikes sell for way over "book value" insuring them is sometimes a issue, seeing as the insurers mostly insure only at retail + extras.

Some insurers will allow to insure at agreed value, however with conditions to that (need to get valuations etc)

I believe myself and @Operator  use such insurers to insure eg KTM 950 SE (current book value aprox R57k) for R100k +
Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: m0lt3n on June 02, 2021, 07:37:57 am
bought my 2008 990R with 65k km on last year for R72k, after it was advertised at R88k.
I think that's a decent price and think whoever pays more than R110k for a 990 that is not in collectors-item-condition should cut back on the cool aid.

But its my opinion that other than the few outliers, that the 990 market actually fell in the last year already and its more realistic prices in general and that the 1190 market grew in value, that the sliding scale is making more sense again lately.

Title: Re: 990 Values
Post by: AAK on June 05, 2021, 11:15:09 pm
To me personally itís about value for money.To upgrade from a 990 is gonna be expensive.I tried everything in its price range, GS, Tiger,etc, all seems more like a downgrade. The 1190, newer GSís and AT is in a class of their own, leaning more towards the softer side of adventure riding....??So next in line is the 790/890, and I canít afford one of those.

A well maintained 990 with reasonable kilometers for sub R100k is money well spend👍