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Title: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on June 28, 2021, 03:14:50 pm
Ek kyk na 'n baie nice 2014 model bike, kom ons se nou maar 'n KLR 650.

1) Ja my gat jeuk, maar BAIE nice fiets, hy "trek my" nogal baie.
2) Newer tech (soos in 31 jaar nuwer), starter button, etc etc

Ek het tans 'n mooi ou XT 600 Tenere, wat ek BAIE like, eks mal oor daai old school feeling van die bike. En ja baie van my joy is Nostalgia, en die "mooigeit" van die bike, in die geval daai ou Tenere. Ek het selfs 'n old school helmet ook gekoop om die experience nog meer "authentic" te maak.

MAAR 1) en 2) hierbo laat my nogal jeuk.

My hassle...........as ek bv die naweek wil Rosendal toe en terug gaan ek BAIE waarskynlik nog steeds die ou XT vat, om daai "old school feel" te ervaar.

Selfs 'n langer trip ook - sal steeds die ou Tante wil vat.

OU tech, ek weet.......maar dis soos om met 'n ou 60 Series Cruiser of 'n nuwe VXR200 Tanzanie toe te toer..........die 60 Series gaan maar net BAIE meer "inpas" by die trip.

Of sal dit weggaan, sal ek eerder die nuwer bike ry, met beter suspensie, starter, alles is net nuwer en moderner??

Ek sal anyway nie sommer die ou XT verkoop nie MAAR ek wil haar ook gebruik, ek soek nie 'n "garage queen" nie.

Eks (eintlik nie eers nie) 'n baie intermediate ryer, stop gereeld, ry gravel paaie......maw ek het nie rerig daai hi tech suspensie etc etc nodig vir hoe en waar ek ry nie.

???

(PS - so paar manne al klaar ge PM hieroor BAIE dankie vir julle advies!! :thumleft: :thumleft:)
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: DIRT SKUNK on June 28, 2021, 03:22:04 pm
Just buy it!!!!!!
DS
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on June 28, 2021, 03:26:25 pm
Just buy it!!!!!!
DS

Of course is die kanse ook 99% dat ek nie "van beter weet nie", en dink die ou XT is die beste ding since Anne Hathaway se geboorte MAAR in die mean time is daar soveel meer enjoyable, nuwe tech bikes.......... ::)
Ek was so bietjie in 'n time capsule, het 25/30 jaar terug nogal baie DS bikes gehad, en nou eers weer in 2020 gekyk na dit
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: Black_Hawk on June 28, 2021, 03:27:21 pm
Twee is beter as een  :pot:

Hier is 'n furmule wat deur die slim manne uitgefigure is hoeveel bikes 'n man kan/moet hê  ;)
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: Dwerg on June 28, 2021, 03:37:49 pm
Laaste keer wat iemand 'n KLR as nuwe tech beskou het was in die 80s  :pot:
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on June 28, 2021, 03:39:02 pm
Just buy it!!!!!!
DS

Of course is die kanse ook 99% dat ek nie "van beter weet nie", en dink die ou XT is die beste ding since Anne Hathaway se geboorte MAAR in die mean time is daar soveel meer enjoyable, nuwe tech bikes.......... ::)
Ek was so bietjie in 'n time capsule, het 25/30 jaar terug nogal baie DS bikes gehad, en nou eers weer in 2020 gekyk na dit
OK so jy het nou vir Anne, maar sy is n daytrip kinda girl jy soek n Rhona Mitra n girl wat jou uithou vermoës so bietjie toets!!! ;) :peepwall: :lol8:
Gan skop nou n kar se wieldop(old school) en dan koop jy die KLR!! :deal: ;) :lol8:
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: Gerrard on June 28, 2021, 03:40:08 pm
Ek is daai ou wat jou pa nie wou gehad het jy mee moet speel toe jy klein was nie. Koop hom !
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on June 28, 2021, 03:40:34 pm
Laaste keer wat iemand 'n KLR as nuwe tech beskou het was in die 80s  :pot:

Ja Ja Ja.......... :imaposer: ;D :lol8:
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: SuperShaka007 on June 28, 2021, 05:41:16 pm
Miskien is 'n KLR te naby aan dieselfde tipe fiets as die XT en dalk is iets heel anders dalk ook 'n idee?

Ek het ook baie heimweë en jeuk om weer 'n XR600 te kry, maar na ek laas naweek my vriend moes help sy fiets skop het ek dadelik besef ek is 20 jaar ouer en om teen 'n skuinste te skop is nie meer só maklik soos dit was nie.

Nou sal ek maar eerder spaar vir 'n XRL...daai happy button is darem maar net lekker.

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Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: SuperShaka007 on June 28, 2021, 05:42:53 pm
Double post
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: Noneking on June 28, 2021, 05:52:58 pm
Wat van iets heeltemal anders…… 990
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 28, 2021, 06:17:53 pm
Ek is amper doodseker n 1983 XT600Z is nuter tech as n laatmodel KLR.......

Die Yammie het Monocross en n virtual doohickey.
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: JustBendIt on June 28, 2021, 06:22:46 pm
KLR is absolute crap... I rode mine for 28 minutes before I sold it

The XT is better
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: Psycho Porra on June 28, 2021, 07:52:16 pm
Petri,

I had 3 KLR’s and they only gave me great mileage and not a day’s shit. Simple and cheap to maintain and ideal for the riding you describe. If you find one or get one and do the normal preventative maintenance you will have a good bike

You, being slightly “vertically challenged” like myself can then also look at other options like a DR650 or if you want fuel injected look for a XT660R.

All in all, I suggest go ride all the different bikes that interest you and then decide, as long as you keep Betty

Kyk, @ Noneking se voorstel is die beste opsie vir daai “langer as ‘n dag” trips wat jy wil doen


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Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: McSack on June 28, 2021, 08:19:59 pm
I have never been able to convince myself to sell my old red donkey , no matter what other bikes I have in the garage next to him.
Everyone should own a KLR at least once in their lives... even if it is only for 28 minutes(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210628/7515f399cad5751276547d344e723807.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210628/53af459329af4c22907880021c98a82b.jpg)

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Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: met eish on June 29, 2021, 07:55:49 am
n KLR is lewensgevaarlik................jy gaan aan die slaap raak !!!!
Kry n 950/990 in jou graatccch, jy sal n stokkie kry elke keer as jy hom ry, nostalgia or not  ;D
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on June 29, 2021, 08:04:10 am
I also think they are too similar - but why not look at an F800GS instead, if you want a bit more of a tourer thats newer? Or a XT660Z?

I still jol on my 1981 XT500, and for a newer burst, the G650 X-Challenge, although that requires a looong inseem....
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: JustBendIt on June 29, 2021, 09:26:44 am
KLR is absolute crap... I rode mine for 28 minutes before I sold it

The XT is better

Let me expand on this

The KLR has a nice strong torquey engine - the rest of the bike is crap ...made out of the cheapest components and materials that Kawasaki could find

The suspension on my wheelbarrow with a permatoob is better ...and the brakes on a KLR are truly terrible
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: Tampan on June 29, 2021, 11:54:56 am
Koop vir jou 'n XT660Z of 'n 990. Hulle is baie beter as jy bietjie langer paaie gaan ry.
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: m0lt3n on June 29, 2021, 12:25:41 pm
800GS of 990 of 660XT
En voeg hom by, dan het jy n ou bike om heeltyd aan te werk en n ander om die oor te draai.



NS
Kan ons asb ophou praat van n KLR as new tech? Netnou sien iemand buite SA die draad en dink nog minder van ons?
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on June 29, 2021, 12:27:27 pm
800GS of 990 of 660XT
En voeg hom by, dan het jy n ou bike om heeltyd aan te werk en n ander om die oor te draai.



NS
Kan ons asb ophou praat van n KLR as new tech? Netnou sien iemand buite SA die draad en dink nog minder van ons?
:laughing4: :laughing4: :imaposer: :lol8: ;D
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: Vulcan on June 29, 2021, 12:57:17 pm
My comment is nou nie noodwendig relevant tot die twee modelle wat hier bespreek word nie, maar relevant tot die topic van old tech vs new tech.

Ek ry op die oomblik met n 2003 Djebel met 53000km op die klok en geniet die bike verskriklik omdat dit so lig en maklik is om te gebruik. Kom ons noem dit old tech.
In die ander hoek eye ek n nuwe CRF300L iewers in die toekoms. Ook lekker lig maar meer modern met fuel injection ens. Kom ons noem dit new tech.

Nou wat my keuse moeilik maak is dit feit dat albei min of meer dieselfde krag maak. Volgens https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/, maak die Djebel 21,6kW @ 8500rpm en 24,5Nm @ 7000rpm terwyl die CRF300L 20,25kW @ 8500rpm maak  en 26,6Nm @ 6500rpm - nie n groot verskil nie. Die Suzuki is 118kg droog en die Honda omtrent 130kg (ek kry net wet weight vir die Honda so dis calculated).  Die Djebel het Showa suspensie voor en n 17liter tenk So much for progress...

Nou, sal die Honda'tjie so goed loop soos die Djebel na 18 jaar en 53000km sonder om enige olie te lek of te gebruik?

Ek diss nie die Honda nie, dis bloot n vraag?
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on June 29, 2021, 01:07:51 pm
Nou, sal die Honda'tjie so goed loop soos die Djebel na 18 jaar en 53000km sonder om enige olie te lek of te gebruik?

Ek dink die Honda sal goeie diens gee nes jou Djebel het. :deal: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: Clockwork Orange on June 29, 2021, 01:35:22 pm
My comment is nou nie noodwendig relevant tot die twee modelle wat hier bespreek word nie, maar relevant tot die topic van old tech vs new tech.

Ek ry op die oomblik met n 2003 Djebel met 53000km op die klok en geniet die bike verskriklik omdat dit so lig en maklik is om te gebruik. Kom ons noem dit old tech.
In die ander hoek eye ek n nuwe CRF300L iewers in die toekoms. Ook lekker lig maar meer modern met fuel injection ens. Kom ons noem dit new tech.

Nou wat my keuse moeilik maak is dit feit dat albei min of meer dieselfde krag maak. Volgens https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/, maak die Djebel 21,6kW @ 8500rpm en 24,5Nm @ 7000rpm terwyl die CRF300L 20,25kW @ 8500rpm maak  en 26,6Nm @ 6500rpm - nie n groot verskil nie. Die Suzuki is 118kg droog en die Honda omtrent 130kg (ek kry net wet weight vir die Honda so dis calculated).  Die Djebel het Showa suspensie voor en n 17liter tenk So much for progress...

Nou, sal die Honda'tjie so goed loop soos die Djebel na 18 jaar en 53000km sonder om enige olie te lek of te gebruik?

Ek diss nie die Honda nie, dis bloot n vraag?

As Chris says, I recon the Honda will give you the same  great service. I also strongly suspect that this has a hell of a lot to do with how you care for your bike. I doubt there are too many Djebels out there that compare to yours.
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: Clockwork Orange on June 29, 2021, 01:40:32 pm
Petri, Is there is a chance that you can keep the XT and get another bike. I have seen pics of your XT and it looks pristine. If it were me I would do all I could to keep the XT in the condition it is and only use it for the odd fun ride. Don't get me wrong....the bike is capable of doing proper adventure trips but there are so few of these great bikes in this condition that its worthwhile preserving.....As to the second bike....well that's entirely down to the type of riding you want to do and what puts the biggest grin on your dial. :ricky:
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: the ruffian on June 29, 2021, 02:47:50 pm
Obviously if you can afford newer tech and if you don’t do your own maintenance you should buy that.

But if you can’t ( like me) then old tech is fine, since in real terms ( assuming average riding skills-level) the difference in what you are going to pay far, far exceeds the joy you are going to get in your riding.

For context I own two old school thumpers, a DR 650 with close to 40,000 on the clock, and a first generation KLR 650 with 98,000 on the clock. Justin’s experience of KLR’s isn’t close to mine, except for his opinion on the brakes. Both are relatively light (165 and 172 kg respectively - dry that is). Neither uses oil, nor have they ever given me trouble on trips - and in that respect I prefer self -supported camping trips, 80% on gravel.

I would love a Honda 300, and don’t doubt that it would be reliable to similar mileage as I have on my old thumpers. But to get one I would have to sell both my bikes and still fork out another 30k plus another 10k for a bigger tank ( both my old thumpers have big tanks), plus another 4-5k for an upgraded rear shock.

Even better, an adventurised KTM 500/525/450, but that would be even more expensive...


So, for now, as a pensioner old ballie, who can change his own oil, i’ll Stick to old tech, thanks.
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on June 29, 2021, 02:56:47 pm
Petri, Is there is a chance that you can keep the XT and get another bike. I have seen pics of your XT and it looks pristine. If it were me I would do all I could to keep the XT in the condition it is and only use it for the odd fun ride. Don't get me wrong....the bike is capable of doing proper adventure trips but there are so few of these great bikes in this condition that its worthwhile preserving.....As to the second bike....well that's entirely down to the type of riding you want to do and what puts the biggest grin on your dial. :ricky:

My Bettie makes me feel good :3some:
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: sidetrack on June 29, 2021, 05:29:17 pm
Petri, Is there is a chance that you can keep the XT and get another bike. I have seen pics of your XT and it looks pristine. If it were me I would do all I could to keep the XT in the condition it is and only use it for the odd fun ride. Don't get me wrong....the bike is capable of doing proper adventure trips but there are so few of these great bikes in this condition that its worthwhile preserving.....As to the second bike....well that's entirely down to the type of riding you want to do and what puts the biggest grin on your dial. :ricky:

My Bettie makes me feel good :3some:
Then a XT660R will feel just as good. Fi the only “modern” gadget needed on a bike.

Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on June 29, 2021, 05:32:59 pm
 XT660R

Both the 660R en Z will be tippy toe tall for Petri, if he gets a second bike it needs to be a comfortable height. :deal:
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: sidetrack on June 29, 2021, 05:35:29 pm
XT660R

Both the 660R en Z will be tippy toe tall for Petri, if he gets a second bike it needs to be a comfortable height. :deal:
The R is a quite a bit lower than the Z ?
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on June 29, 2021, 05:42:35 pm
XT660R

Both the 660R en Z will be tippy toe tall for Petri, if he gets a second bike it needs to be a comfortable height. :deal:
The R is a quite a bit lower than the Z ?
I don't know buy how much but the Z is tall for me. Have ridden a R long time ago and is was tallish but not as tall as the Z yes.
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: mark250gp on June 29, 2021, 05:44:29 pm
Petri, Is there is a chance that you can keep the XT and get another bike. I have seen pics of your XT and it looks pristine. If it were me I would do all I could to keep the XT in the condition it is and only use it for the odd fun ride. Don't get me wrong....the bike is capable of doing proper adventure trips but there are so few of these great bikes in this condition that its worthwhile preserving.....As to the second bike....well that's entirely down to the type of riding you want to do and what puts the biggest grin on your dial. :ricky:

This, if you can.

It does get expensive though, licensing, insurance, they do actually cost money even if they dont move unfortunately.
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: sidetrack on June 29, 2021, 05:57:57 pm
XT660R 865mm
XT600 Tenere 34 L 890mm
XT660Z 895mm
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on June 29, 2021, 05:59:49 pm
XT660R 865mm
XT600 Tenere 34 L 890mm
XT660Z 895mm
660R for the winner then!! :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 29, 2021, 06:20:20 pm
Maak soos oom Dan.
Hou die Xt en kry n 701 by.
Verstaan nie die saal hoogte issue nie.
As die wielle rol maak dit nie saak nie.
Ek balanseer my 701 met een bootpunt op terra firma.
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: Psycho Porra on June 29, 2021, 06:25:57 pm
XT660R

Both the 660R en Z will be tippy toe tall for Petri, if he gets a second bike it needs to be a comfortable height. :deal:
I had a 660R and am same height as Petri, will suit him well


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Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: Psycho Porra on June 29, 2021, 06:26:32 pm
XT660R

Both the 660R en Z will be tippy toe tall for Petri, if he gets a second bike it needs to be a comfortable height. :deal:
I had a 660R and am same height as Petri, will suit him well


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Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: Noneking on June 29, 2021, 06:39:52 pm


Check out the dismount from the guy (Klein Jan apparently) on the GayLR at Atlantis around 8:55  :laughing4:

Really enjoy their channel :thumleft:
Title: Re: Old School vs newer Tech......which One??
Post by: sidetrack on June 29, 2021, 06:40:58 pm
XT660R

Both the 660R en Z will be tippy toe tall for Petri, if he gets a second bike it needs to be a comfortable height. :deal:
I had a 660R and am same height as Petri, will suit him well


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R is my next bike when I cant get a leg over the Z anymore  :lol8: