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Title: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Skillet_ZA on July 19, 2021, 06:10:19 pm
Hi Guys

Looking to get a GS but I am stuck between a rock and a hard place....

Could I ask for some advice in temrs of two choices I am currenty looking at. Both bikes in imaculate condition:

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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Odd Dog on July 19, 2021, 06:18:37 pm
I would go with the 1250, it also has a warranty which to me is a big plus as well as a pannier set.

Oops just looked again, no I would not go with the mag rims.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: big oil on July 19, 2021, 06:21:43 pm
if you ride a lot of gravel or plan to do any off-road riding, the mag wheels on the 1250 could be problematic vs spoked wheels on the 1200.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Skillet_ZA on July 19, 2021, 06:21:51 pm
I would go with the 1250, it also has a warranty which to me is a big plus as well as a pannier set.

Lack of ESA and the fact that it has mag rims considered?

I get so much mixed reviews on the importance of ESA.

If I damage a rim, insurance need to sort out. Just need to get used to the look of it.  :-\
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: TheBear on July 19, 2021, 06:53:24 pm
I would go with the 1250, it also has a warranty which to me is a big plus as well as a pannier set.

Lack of ESA and the fact that it has mag rims considered?

I get so much mixed reviews on the importance of ESA.

If I damage a rim, insurance need to sort out. Just need to get used to the look of it.  :-\

I'd go with the 1250 as well.  Mags won't bother me as I do not do serious off roading.

Are you sure there is no ESA on the 1250?  That would be very strange as it does have the riding modes.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: skydiver on July 19, 2021, 07:12:56 pm
1250 because of the warranty  :thumleft:
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: BliknÍrs on July 19, 2021, 07:15:41 pm
What are you going to use the bike for?
ADV are maybe more suited for off roading?
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Skillet_ZA on July 19, 2021, 07:53:05 pm
I would go with the 1250, it also has a warranty which to me is a big plus as well as a pannier set.

Lack of ESA and the fact that it has mag rims considered?

I get so much mixed reviews on the importance of ESA.

If I damage a rim, insurance need to sort out. Just need to get used to the look of it.  :-\

I'd go with the 1250 as well.  Mags won't bother me as I do not do serious off roading.

Are you sure there is no ESA on the 1250?  That would be very strange as it does have the riding modes.
Definitely no ESA with riding modes. When I phoned the dealer to check the history he knew exactly how these came in from BMW. He knew it was the model with TFT but not Keyless without ESA.

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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Skillet_ZA on July 19, 2021, 07:59:04 pm
What are you going to use the bike for?
ADV are maybe more suited for off roading?
I am brand new to this so will not try anything advanced or brave for the first few thousand km's. Mainly interested in longer multi-day rides and camping at my stops. But if I do come to gravel roads I certainly do not want to have to turn around and seek better/tarred roads. Not planning to use it as a motocross bike for this money.

Hope it makes sense?

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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 19, 2021, 09:43:36 pm
What are you going to use the bike for?
ADV are maybe more suited for off roading?
I am brand new to this so will not try anything advanced or brave for the first few thousand km's. Mainly interested in longer multi-day rides and camping at my stops. But if I do come to gravel roads I certainly do not want to have to turn around and seek better/tarred roads. Not planning to use it as a motocross bike for this money.

Hope it makes sense?

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That money puts you slap-bang in brand-new Yamaha T7 territory.

Why are you even looking at these overweight machines?

No usual BMW bashing, but those behemoths will never let you try anything but top condition roads. And it's not there that real adventure awaits.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Karoo Rider on July 19, 2021, 10:13:39 pm
Depends on what you'd like to do but from what I read between the lines you'll end up getting hooked on off road riding and for that the Adventure with the spoked wheels is the way to go IMHO.  Yes the insurance can sort out a damaged rim but that's not going to happen right there next to the road where you're stranded with your flat front wheel because the tubeless tyre doesn't want to seat on the dented mag. Worst case I know, just saying. :thumleft:

W.r.t. ESA: I had it on my 2012 GSA and just left it in the off road setting.  It's nice to have and its biggest advantage is when you regularly change between solo rider and pillion with luggage since you'll need more or less preload (read: flat footed vs tip toeing) and now you can push a button vs turn a knob.  I also tried various settings on the damping & rebound over time but couldn't detect a hell of a difference. :deal:
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Karoo Rider on July 19, 2021, 10:19:33 pm
Panniers are a big plus, but again for the cheaper Adventure you can buy the luggage setup of your choice. KM between 6,000 vs 20,000km you can ignore. On BMW's you only get low km's (under 100,000km) and higher km's (above 100,000km). :biggrin:
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Skillet_ZA on July 19, 2021, 10:25:29 pm
Thanks @Karoo Rider

It really seems that the wheels are the biggest issue here.

Let's change things a bit:

What if the seller sell me a set of spoke rims for R20k. 1250 then being R235,500 leaving me with the (very slim chance) option of selling the mag rims?

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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Skillet_ZA on July 19, 2021, 10:26:29 pm
I really appreciate the advice and participation with this guys.

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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: BuRP on July 19, 2021, 10:30:30 pm
That money puts you slap-bang in brand-new Yamaha T7 territory.

Jinnnnnne Dan, need glasses?
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 19, 2021, 10:40:19 pm
That money puts you slap-bang in brand-new Yamaha T7 territory.

Jinnnnnne Dan, need glasses?


I just thought that I'd point out that for the money of a 2nd hand very large bike, the OP can get a brand-new and lithe proper adventure bike.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Karoo Rider on July 19, 2021, 10:42:01 pm
Thanks @Karoo Rider

It really seems that the wheels are the biggest issue here.

Let's change things a bit:

What if the seller sell me a set of spoke rims for R20k. 1250 then being R235,500 leaving me with the (very slim chance) option of selling the mag rims?

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Good question, but personally I would be hesitant to pay R20k more while for R24k less I can get a bike with spoke wheels standard. Down the line you'll probably never recover this in terms of the bike's value when selling again. But I understand the logical tendency to go for the newer bike so this whole thing is much more than the type of wheels. Hope you come to a conclusion that works for you.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Skillet_ZA on July 19, 2021, 10:47:29 pm
New options:

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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: BliknÍrs on July 20, 2021, 06:28:16 am
You should also research the other changes between ADV and non ADV BMWs..
Tank size.
Suspension.
Gear ratios.
Footpegs.
Seats.
The electronics I dont understand all the acronyms but look at that too.
There must be other differences.

Lastly listen to what 2SD is saying.
There are other fantastic offerings out there, dont just look at BMW like most newcomers to biking does because thats where other BMW riders points them.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Mikie on July 20, 2021, 06:54:31 am
Years ago when I started looking for a DUal Purpose bike, Yamaha was one of my options, I didnt want to be a sheep and just go straight for BMW, I looked at other brands but didnt like their offerings.

What made my decision in the end?
SERVICE, specifically dealer service, Yamaha were absolutely atrocious , I was doing them a favour by buying parts from them, paying up front then waiting weeks before I got them
New parts availability was also scarce.
KTM was also on the list, same issue.

IN the end, the exceptional BMW service and parts availability did it for me. They are also fantastic bikes. Since then, I have done close on 100 000km on my GS.
Thats my 2c
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Gerrard on July 20, 2021, 07:22:02 am
Go big
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 20, 2021, 07:31:53 am
Go big

Yes!  Go for the biggest Tenere! :pot:

It is a pity that so many riders, fresh in the game, opt for these big bikes.

They limit your experience, and even good riders will find the big D/S bikes a handbrake in developing skills.

Perhaps time for a British-style small learner bike rule?
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Gerrard on July 20, 2021, 07:46:05 am
Go big

Yes!  Go for the biggest Tenere! :pot:

It is a pity that so many riders, fresh in the game, opt for these big bikes.

They limit your experience, and even good riders will find the big D/S bikes a handbrake in developing skills.

Perhaps time for a British-style small learner bike rule?

Jy moet eers daar gewees het om te weet jy wil nie daar wees nie.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 20, 2021, 07:55:06 am
Go big

Yes!  Go for the biggest Tenere! :pot:

It is a pity that so many riders, fresh in the game, opt for these big bikes.

They limit your experience, and even good riders will find the big D/S bikes a handbrake in developing skills.

Perhaps time for a British-style small learner bike rule?

Jy moet eers daar gewees het om te weet jy wil nie daar wees nie.

 :thumleft: :thumleft: Dis mos wat ek se, met die ou grotes gaan jy nie sommer "daar" kom om uit te vind nie.

Maar wat jy nie van weet nie, kan jy seker ook nie mis nie?
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: caconcepts on July 20, 2021, 08:12:17 am
Go big

Yes!  Go for the biggest Tenere! :pot:

It is a pity that so many riders, fresh in the game, opt for these big bikes.

They limit your experience, and even good riders will find the big D/S bikes a handbrake in developing skills.

Perhaps time for a British-style small learner bike rule?

Couldn't agree with you more, just look how these big bikes are limiting these poor fellows...
&t=348s
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Skillet_ZA on July 20, 2021, 08:43:53 am
Go big

Yes!  Go for the biggest Tenere! :pot:

It is a pity that so many riders, fresh in the game, opt for these big bikes.

They limit your experience, and even good riders will find the big D/S bikes a handbrake in developing skills.

Perhaps time for a British-style small learner bike rule?

Couldn't agree with you more, just look how these big bikes are limiting these poor fellows...
&t=348s
One of my "research" videos during the quest to come to my narrow list. Amazing stuff!

And yes, I am very fixed on BMW for some of the same reasons mentioned above. The Africa Twin did make the short list, but that is how "exciting" it got in terms of a crazy bike. Love Yamaha and neighbour has the T7 and I have done extensive research on those as well. Just not the kind of  experience I am looking for.




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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Gerrard on July 20, 2021, 08:49:29 am
Yip, don't mind Danie. Nothing beats the coffee and muffins vibe  :lol8:
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Dwerg on July 20, 2021, 08:58:45 am
One of my "research" videos during the quest to come to my narrow list. Amazing stuff!

Very good riders. Most will struggle to do that on a big GS including myself so don't let that fool you
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Mikie on July 20, 2021, 09:02:35 am
It almost sounds like, if you arent a good rider then you need a smaller bike like a yamaha  :peepwall:
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: caconcepts on July 20, 2021, 09:10:03 am
It almost sounds like, if you arent a good rider then you need a smaller bike like a yamaha  :peepwall:



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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Dwerg on July 20, 2021, 09:11:18 am
It almost sounds like, if you arent a good rider then you need a smaller bike like a yamaha  :peepwall:

If you're starting out, it's just a lot easier (+ cheaper + less painful + less insurance claims) to accelerate your skill progression if you start smaller
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Roxtar on July 20, 2021, 10:04:28 am
If the 2016 is still the air cooled engine just walk on by ... it is a bit on the agricultural side to say the least..... ;) I have ridden them back to back on a few occasions and this is just my opinion, some may disagree,

The 1250 is just sooooo much better in terms of just about everything compared to the 1200.... I would spend my money on a KTM rather, but if I had to choose between the two Beemers the 1250 is a no brainer imo... :thumleft:
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on July 20, 2021, 10:12:40 am
If you are going to pillion or ride mostly tarmac, go with the GS.  The GSA gives you a longer fuel range, the GSA also has a stronger alternator if you are going to run accessories

Otherwise a Yamaha T7 or Honda AT or even KTM 690/701 Husqvarna
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Gerrard on July 20, 2021, 10:21:05 am
Q : What GS must I buy ?

A : A KTM

 :imaposer: I love this forum.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on July 20, 2021, 10:23:47 am
Q : What GS must I buy ?

A : A KTM

 :imaposer: I love this forum.

Many of us have been along this same road of researching and buying bikes so we can't help ourselves and must give our 2c :laughing4:
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Gerrard on July 20, 2021, 10:26:00 am
Q : What GS must I buy ?

A : A KTM

 :imaposer: I love this forum.

Many of us have been along this same road of researching and buying bikes so we can't help ourselves  :laughing4:
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I know. Had to have a 1200 ADV. Got it, was immediately sorry about it and swapped it for a 660 Tenere.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Odd Dog on July 20, 2021, 02:41:00 pm
Q : What GS must I buy ?

A : A KTM

 :imaposer: I love this forum.

Many of us have been along this same road of researching and buying bikes so we can't help ourselves  :laughing4:
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I know. Had to have a 1200 ADV. Got it, was immediately sorry about it and swapped it for a 660 Tenere.

 :) I did the exact opposite, After the WR450 went, I got the Ten. 660 which I found too top heavy, so swopped it for the GS1200 and I enjoyed the challenge of bashing that around.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: bronzy on July 20, 2021, 03:44:52 pm
I would go with the 1250, it also has a warranty which to me is a big plus as well as a pannier set.

Lack of ESA and the fact that it has mag rims considered?

I get so much mixed reviews on the importance of ESA.

If I damage a rim, insurance need to sort out. Just need to get used to the look of it.  :-\
i would go for the 1250 i like the mag rims and you can fix them if you have a problem
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 20, 2021, 06:14:20 pm
Q : What GS must I buy ?

A : A KTM

 :imaposer: I love this forum.

Many of us have been along this same road of researching and buying bikes so we can't help ourselves and must give our 2c :laughing4:



Exactly why, except for being a bit of a Yamaha fan, I came in here to offer my views and experience. Not only my own experience, because that is quite different from mainstream riders, but my seeing over

many years how people fall for the muffin plan, and never reach anywhere near full potential.

Then "BenTen" get offered up as a test, like it's the Ertsberg rodeo. :biggrin:

You guys sound like Noraly, with that Carl's dinner of a Sani pass. :pot:
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Leo on July 20, 2021, 07:08:26 pm
Does the bike with the extra set of wheels have brake disks fitted as well as other brake pads for the second set of wheels?

If not,  you will have to swop the spoke wheels disks every time you put the mags wheels on OR buy a second set of disks and pads. Lotsa ZAR   :deal:

I also had two set of wheels for my GS back in 2005. Eventually got gatvol of swoppings disks all the time and eventually just left the mag wheels on.

They were lighter and thus the bike was slightly faster.  :thumleft:

The mag wheels would give off small little silver shafings (almost like skilfers) when washing after a good offroad session, but before the wheels gave any shit, I sold the bike. I rode those mag wheels everywhere.

So in my opinion the extra set of wheels is a waste of money.   :3some:

Get spoke wheels and be done  :ricky:
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Brewed_Coffee on July 20, 2021, 07:19:59 pm
Depends on what you'd like to do but from what I read between the lines you'll end up getting hooked on off road riding and for that the Adventure with the spoked wheels is the way to go IMHO.  Yes the insurance can sort out a damaged rim but that's not going to happen right there next to the road where you're stranded with your flat front wheel because the tubeless tyre doesn't want to seat on the dented mag. Worst case I know, just saying. :thumleft:

W.r.t. ESA: I had it on my 2012 GSA and just left it in the off road setting.  It's nice to have and its biggest advantage is when you regularly change between solo rider and pillion with luggage since you'll need more or less preload (read: flat footed vs tip toeing) and now you can push a button vs turn a knob.  I also tried various settings on the damping & rebound over time but couldn't detect a hell of a difference. :deal:

Fullyt agree here!

The chances of needing the warranty on a well maintained 2016 is negligible anyway.  Get the better suspension, rims and you're set for long long time.
My 2012 1200GSA is claim free on 149kkm

Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: GeenSand on July 20, 2021, 08:06:06 pm
I have had an older aircooled gsa for almost 5 years.. nice bike and it can go anywhere if you want,road,mud,sand,rocks,single track tweespoor.  Recently got a ktm990s.. suspension is hard as a rock compared to my gsa. Hard to believe you buy a ready to race bike.. have to stip the shocks out to be send of to a specialist to revalve and respring ect to get a better ride.. in that aspect the gsa is a much nicer ride.. one/two buttons suspension is set and off you go... just my 2cents of not much else to offer.
Fyi both on WP suspension..

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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Skillet_ZA on July 20, 2021, 08:15:21 pm
Does the bike with the extra set of wheels have brake disks fitted as well as other brake pads for the second set of wheels?

If not,  you will have to swop the spoke wheels disks every time you put the mags wheels on OR buy a second set of disks and pads. Lotsa ZAR   :deal:

I also had two set of wheels for my GS back in 2005. Eventually got gatvol of swoppings disks all the time and eventually just left the mag wheels on.

They were lighter and thus the bike was slightly faster.  :thumleft:

The mag wheels would give off small little silver shafings (almost like skilfers) when washing after a good offroad session, but before the wheels gave any shit, I sold the bike. I rode those mag wheels everywhere.

So in my opinion the extra set of wheels is a waste of money.   :3some:

Get spoke wheels and be done  :ricky:

@Leo

Thanks for your input.

Let me clarify, spoke wheels does not have anything on them no. The idea would be to fit them before the bike leaves the dealer. The mag rims then going on Gumtree and hope for a miracle and recoup some of the expense to have upgraded to spokes.

Not planning to ever fit them again so there will be no swapping between the sets.

The reason the rims are such a big discussion here is that 2 out of 50 people do not mind them. The other 48 people would not touch them with a stick. The skilfers thing is interesting... The idea I got was that the only issue they will have is if they get dinged up while doing off-road riding or hit a pothole.  :-\
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 20, 2021, 08:27:28 pm
I have had an older aircooled gsa for almost 5 years.. nice bike and it can go anywhere if you want,road,mud,sand,rocks,single track tweespoor.  Recently got a ktm990s.. suspension is hard as a rock compared to my gsa. Hard to believe you buy a ready to race bike.. have to stip the shocks out to be send of to a specialist to revalve and respring ect to get a better ride.. in that aspect the gsa is a much nicer ride.. one/two buttons suspension is set and off you go... just my 2cents of not much else to offer.
Fyi both on WP suspension..

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Take both the 990 and GSA and jump them, and you'll see why the 990 feels "hard". :imaposer: It can take a MUCH harder impact.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: GeenSand on July 20, 2021, 08:39:32 pm
Ja oom Danie.. die gsa kan ook jump.. maar as dit al is waavoor 'n bike gemaak word het hulle die pot heel mis gesit.. meeste bikes ry na die coffee shops.. daar jump hulle net pavements. Ek sÍ nie my ktm is kak nie al wat ek sÍ is hy ry hard in vergelyking met die gsa. Die OP soek 'n gemaklike bike om goeie gravel paaie te ry.

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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: SuperShaka007 on July 20, 2021, 09:24:00 pm
I would buy a cheaper GSA LC and a smallish road legal DS bike, then you have the best of both worlds for the same money as the GS and you can do way more - but that's just my humble NOOB opinion.

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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 20, 2021, 09:26:02 pm
Ja oom Danie.. die gsa kan ook jump.. maar as dit al is waavoor 'n bike gemaak word het hulle die pot heel mis gesit.. meeste bikes ry na die coffee shops.. daar jump hulle net pavements. Ek sÍ nie my ktm is kak nie al wat ek sÍ is hy ry hard in vergelyking met die gsa. Die OP soek 'n gemaklike bike om goeie gravel paaie te ry.

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Ja, n GS kan jump, maar ai, daai landing.......
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: mike gs on July 20, 2021, 09:38:56 pm
My 2c, buy the bike you like, the colour that you want to look at again and again. The one that makes you lus to ride even when the weather is kak. There are no bad bikes out there. Spend as much as you can to get the one that you will keep. There's nothing worse than being in a position where you keep saying  I shoulda done this or I shoulda done that. Unless you really doing some rough stuff, the one with mags will be fine. If that is the one, then do it. A few years ago I was gifted a 2007 GSA, it's not the fastest, it's probably not the best. If I was choosing, it may not have been the one. But it has given me and swambo the most unbelievable time over almost 90K kms. We've been all over on it and tested many gravel roads and routes. It's been more than a bike, it's been freedom, new friends, new places and awesome times. The next one might be from the blue or the orange stable, who knows?  Just do it!



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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Mello on July 20, 2021, 09:40:18 pm
My first BMW was a standard '08 GS with ESA. Great bike and surprisingly capable off road.

I then bought one of the first Triumph Explorers in 2012. These bikes had cast wheels and no ESA, manual adjustment only. Missed the ESA for a short while but once the suspension was sorted, didn't miss it again. I was nervous about the wheels but had no issues. In all fairness, I didn't do much more than some rutted jeep track and didn't ride it like an over grown dirt bike either.

If you aren't doing rocky stuff, the mag wheels shouldn't be an issue. Dirt roads, no problem.

After the Triumph, I went back to BMW and ended up with a GSA. After that, the extras on the adventure are hard to ignore.

But, personally, I would consider the 1250. The 1200 air/oil cooled dohc engines were at the peak of their development. The LC just seemed more agricultural. I believe the 1250 is much improved.

Pic of the explorer, pausing on the dirt. This "road" became pretty rocky and not a mark on the wheels.
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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Leo on July 21, 2021, 06:56:05 am
Let me clarify, spoke wheels does not have anything on them no. The idea would be to fit them before the bike leaves the dealer. The mag rims then going on Gumtree and hope for a miracle and recoup some of the expense to have upgraded to spokes.

Not planning to ever fit them again so there will be no swapping between the sets.

The reason the rims are such a big discussion here is that 2 out of 50 people do not mind them. The other 48 people would not touch them with a stick. The skilfers thing is interesting... The idea I got was that the only issue they will have is if they get dinged up while doing off-road riding or hit a pothole.  :-\

OK, thanks for clarifying.

Mikie's advise is, according to me,  the best thus far.  :thumleft:

Buy with your heart  :ricky:
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Katumman on July 21, 2021, 07:49:05 am
Why not consider this one for R50k less. One year older and only 10k kms more. You can kit it to your own requirements

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=260312.0
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Aprilian on July 21, 2021, 08:44:36 am
Get a 1200 GS before 2010. Substantially lighter and none of the electronic shit I have done 110000 kms on mine. Have bought and sold about 25 other bikes in the time that I've had it. Went as far as to buy another another oil cooled 1200 for the stable

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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Smoky on July 21, 2021, 10:46:18 am
If you just want to slab it the BMW is fine, but if you want to learn to ride, start with something lighter. My 2c.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Edgar on July 22, 2021, 06:34:11 pm
I would buy the 1200 GS :3some:
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 22, 2021, 07:22:03 pm
If you just want to slab it the BMW is fine, but if you want to learn to ride, start with something lighter. My 2c.

No!  The OP said himself that he's brand-new in this game, and then you start with the biggest. BMW does not have small bikes.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Skillet_ZA on July 22, 2021, 07:34:22 pm
If you just want to slab it the BMW is fine, but if you want to learn to ride, start with something lighter. My 2c.

No!  The OP said himself that he's brand-new in this game, and then you start with the biggest. BMW does not have small bikes.
G310!!! 25 kW!! It will be like riding my RZ50cc from high-school again!!

Point remains, it will not be an other bike than a BMW so that is why I have only asked between the options in the original post. It will also be a 1200 or 1250. No 800's or 850's or whatever else is currently on the market. Even if I had the money for a Multistrada V4 I would have still remained with the BMW. But with money I would have just walked into a dealer and bought a 1250 GSA brand new.

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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 22, 2021, 07:39:54 pm
If you just want to slab it the BMW is fine, but if you want to learn to ride, start with something lighter. My 2c.

No!  The OP said himself that he's brand-new in this game, and then you start with the biggest. BMW does not have small bikes.
G310!!! 25 kW!! It will be like riding my RZ50cc from high-school again!!

Point remains, it will not be an other bike than a BMW so that is why I have only asked between the options in the original post. It will also be a 1200 or 1250. No 800's or 850's or whatever else is currently on the market. Even if I had the money for a Multistrada V4 I would have still remained with the BMW. But with money I would have just walked into a dealer and bought a 1250 GSA brand new.

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My condolences.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Wayne on July 22, 2021, 08:01:09 pm
If you just want to slab it the BMW is fine, but if you want to learn to ride, start with something lighter. My 2c.

No!  The OP said himself that he's brand-new in this game, and then you start with the biggest. BMW does not have small bikes.
G310!!! 25 kW!! It will be like riding my RZ50cc from high-school again!!

Point remains, it will not be an other bike than a BMW so that is why I have only asked between the options in the original post. It will also be a 1200 or 1250. No 800's or 850's or whatever else is currently on the market. Even if I had the money for a Multistrada V4 I would have still remained with the BMW. But with money I would have just walked into a dealer and bought a 1250 GSA brand new.

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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 22, 2021, 09:10:53 pm
If you just want to slab it the BMW is fine, but if you want to learn to ride, start with something lighter. My 2c.

No!  The OP said himself that he's brand-new in this game, and then you start with the biggest. BMW does not have small bikes.
G310!!! 25 kW!! It will be like riding my RZ50cc from high-school again!!

Point remains, it will not be an other bike than a BMW so that is why I have only asked between the options in the original post. It will also be a 1200 or 1250. No 800's or 850's or whatever else is currently on the market. Even if I had the money for a Multistrada V4 I would have still remained with the BMW. But with money I would have just walked into a dealer and bought a 1250 GSA brand new.

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I am trying to prevent disappointment for a new rider. But I guess it's his money, so it's his choice, just so frustratingly limited.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Gene on July 22, 2021, 09:26:50 pm
Soos hulle sÍ, kry die bike wat jy wil hÍ,  ek het   n 1200 gs gehad. Lekker fiets , toe ek kleiner wou gaan na 800 gs , voel die bike te lig vir my en nie te lekker stewig op die langpad nie, lekker fiets maar 1000 cc of groter vir my.
As jy wil jump , kry n harley - Evil Knievel weet die beste van jump, vra hom.😹
Ek sal die 1250 vat, as die rims eendag moet chip of breek, kry dan die spokes, assuransie sal dalk betaal ook.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Mikie on July 23, 2021, 07:00:04 am
If you just want to slab it the BMW is fine, but if you want to learn to ride, start with something lighter. My 2c.

No!  The OP said himself that he's brand-new in this game, and then you start with the biggest. BMW does not have small bikes.
G310!!! 25 kW!! It will be like riding my RZ50cc from high-school again!!

Point remains, it will not be an other bike than a BMW so that is why I have only asked between the options in the original post. It will also be a 1200 or 1250. No 800's or 850's or whatever else is currently on the market. Even if I had the money for a Multistrada V4 I would have still remained with the BMW. But with money I would have just walked into a dealer and bought a 1250 GSA brand new.

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I am trying to prevent disappointment for a new rider. But I guess it's his money, so it's his choice, just so frustratingly limited.

The only disappointment that I have ever heard of with  someone buying a BMW Bike is from you.  :patch:
I havent heard a single person that has or does own a GS say," I Regret buying this big pig"
 :peepwall:
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: m0lt3n on July 23, 2021, 07:49:18 am
koop die bmw, kry dit uit jou sisteem uit, sien wat jy actually gaan doen met die ding, hou jy van die rowwe goed of nie. En koop oor n jaar weer iets anders. hulle hou hul waarde goed.

Ek het ook begin met n GS. Toe GSA, toe KTM en weer KTM. Nou begin ek dink ek moet maar die GSA koop vir saam met die 990.
Jy kan nie n 990 rustig ver ry nie, ek het niks meer lus vir my gewone ou paaie nie. Maar met GSA kan ek weer begin verder ry, daai 1000km dae doen en die wereld weer sien. EN as mens weer begin lus is vir moeilikheid maak klim jy op die 990.

Dink ek raak oud
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: caconcepts on July 23, 2021, 07:59:02 am
koop die bmw, kry dit uit jou sisteem uit, sien wat jy actually gaan doen met die ding, hou jy van die rowwe goed of nie. En koop oor n jaar weer iets anders. hulle hou hul waarde goed.

Ek het ook begin met n GS. Toe GSA, toe KTM en weer KTM. Nou begin ek dink ek moet maar die GSA koop vir saam met die 990.
Jy kan nie n 990 rustig ver ry nie, ek het niks meer lus vir my gewone ou paaie nie. Maar met GSA kan ek weer begin verder ry, daai 1000km dae doen en die wereld weer sien. EN as mens weer begin lus is vir moeilikheid maak klim jy op die 990.

Dink ek raak oud

@m0lt3n , presies my punt. Horses for courses. Ek het die GS, die AT en n wr450 in die stal. Elkeen doen iets goed en iets nie so goed nie. Besluit waar en hoe jy ry en koop volgens dit. En natuurlik kleur, baie belangrik...... :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 23, 2021, 08:09:26 am
If you just want to slab it the BMW is fine, but if you want to learn to ride, start with something lighter. My 2c.

No!  The OP said himself that he's brand-new in this game, and then you start with the biggest. BMW does not have small bikes.
G310!!! 25 kW!! It will be like riding my RZ50cc from high-school again!!

Point remains, it will not be an other bike than a BMW so that is why I have only asked between the options in the original post. It will also be a 1200 or 1250. No 800's or 850's or whatever else is currently on the market. Even if I had the money for a Multistrada V4 I would have still remained with the BMW. But with money I would have just walked into a dealer and bought a 1250 GSA brand new.

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I am trying to prevent disappointment for a new rider. But I guess it's his money, so it's his choice, just so frustratingly limited.

The only disappointment that I have ever heard of with  someone buying a BMW Bike is from you.  :patch:
I havent heard a single person that has or does own a GS say," I Regret buying this big pig"
 :peepwall:



Only until the GS rider ventures off the tar.

I am not new in this bike thing, and have seen MANY GS riders looking like wellpoints, as they sweat those Dodges through relative easy terrain.

It's a great bike for easy, open roads, and very kak for technical roads.

t's a very limiting machine, and my aim was to enlighten and broaden the seemingly set mind of a new rider. 

How are you ever going to post Kaokoland RR's if you buy that anchor??
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Karoo Rider on July 23, 2021, 08:33:08 am
I think 2SD's got some points to consider.  I loved and still miss my 1200GSA and always had this thing that I'm the limiting factor when it comes to tackling the rougher stuff.  It's not about the bike, you know. That said, the BMW's surely are focused on the rider's comfort which I didn't want to compromise on.  Long story short: I got an Africa Twin Adventure Sport which I'm very happy with so far. Got just about all the bells & whistles the GSA had, plus it's lighter and with that 21" front it's a gem in the rougher stuff yet comfortable as a tourer.  In short I think the AT's are slap in middle between the BMW's and KTM's.
Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: Skillet_ZA on July 23, 2021, 08:41:34 am
I think 2SD's got some points to consider.  I loved and still miss my 1200GSA and always had this thing that I'm the limiting factor when it comes to tackling the rougher stuff.  It's not about the bike, you know. That said, the BMW's surely are focused on the rider's comfort which I didn't want to compromise on.  Long story short: I got an Africa Twin Adventure Sport which I'm very happy with so far. Got just about all the bells & whistles the GSA had, plus it's lighter and with that 21" front it's a gem in the rougher stuff yet comfortable as a tourer.  In short I think the AT's are slap in middle between the BMW's and KTM's.
Very accurate info here. That is also why the Africa Twin made it to the very end of my shortlist.

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Title: Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
Post by: BuRP on July 23, 2021, 01:23:07 pm
How are you ever going to post Kaokoland RR's if you buy that anchor??

Ek ken n jongerige man (ons is nou al oud, tog?  :P ) wat saamgekom het op n trip Swaziland toe, hy het n 1250GS gery.
Ek, op my 790 (soos omtrent almal!), dink toe 'O, dit sal dan n maklike trippie wees die, maar dis ook reg met my...'
Ek was verkeerd!
Die jong man pivot-turn die boelie toe n paar keer toe ons effens inni kak is, en hy was beslis nie die anker van die groep nie!
Versigtig wees Dan, party ouens laat so n bul soos n trials bike lyk...  ;)