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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: Grunder on September 03, 2021, 07:23:12 am

Title: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Grunder on September 03, 2021, 07:23:12 am
https://youtu.be/e-KX-_2bZhk

Title: Re: It's comimg...klr
Post by: chicco on September 03, 2021, 07:36:32 am
Lyk mooi....maar nou ja......

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Title: Re: It's comimg...klr
Post by: roxenz on September 03, 2021, 08:12:25 am
Weight over 200 kg  :o
Title: Re: It's comimg...klr
Post by: Grunder on September 03, 2021, 08:30:09 am
Lyk mooi....maar nou ja......

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Very good detailed review this  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: RobC on September 03, 2021, 08:39:46 am
We can read write ups, watch reviews all we like... it a'int coming here...

Meanwhile Yamaha has the T7... and it is here.

But if you have money to splurge get the Pan America... it is the best Fugly by far! :deal: :sip:
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Grunder on September 03, 2021, 08:41:31 am
We can read write ups, watch reviews all we like... it a'int coming here...

You think so?

Pity...
Title: Re: It's comimg...klr
Post by: Vulcan on September 03, 2021, 08:47:43 am
Disclaimer, I know nothing about economics, just a general observation. I am also aware that these two bikes are vastly different as well.

The Yamaha T7 costs around $9999 and weighs 205kg. ZAR Price for this around is R200 000. The ZAR price should actually be closer to R150000 - R160000 but that is another debate.

So the new KLR (base model) is priced at $7699 and weighs around 206kg. If I use the same convertion rate that Yamaha SA used to get the price to Rand, it looks like the KLR should be coming in at R153995 (this is what the T7 should have costed), which is a bit rich.

So ZAR per kg the KLR is way more efficient  :imaposer:

If they can price it at around R115000 to R120000 it may become a viable option as there are only one or two 300's in that price range (new).

What counts in the KLR's favour is the myriad of cheaper alternative aftermareket accesories.

For R115000 I might consider one.  That is if it is even considered for ZAR.
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Kortbroek on September 03, 2021, 09:02:23 am
It's a KLR, no matter what it costs it won't be exciting, but it also won't die. Your grand kids will still be riding it 50 years from now. Buy shares in an oil, company though. Hopefully it comes with a new doohickey  :peepwall:
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Dutchman81 on September 03, 2021, 09:30:11 am
I have a Fugly standing in the garage for 25k no instalment per month, not to scared to explore of the track incase I drop it, do all the necessary maintenance myself no dealers to take my hard earned money, even do my own engine overall then there is no oil to buy....
Love the plaas bike feel...
You either like them or hate them...

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Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Nomad on September 03, 2021, 09:34:27 am
I had a KLR for 8 years and whilst I did love it, it has the be the one bike that Ive had to work on the most.

Price is really the deciding factor for this bike. It would have to be about the same as a 300 imo.
What bugs me is that it kept all the original niggles that its always had. Bikes have progressed so far yet this bike still has a doohickey problem and same old suspension only slightly reworked. I wonder is it still the oil burner like the previous generations?
What can the KLR do that the smaller 300's cant? Its not comfortable, it easily bottoms out and you are guaranteed to be wrenching on it sooner than the Honda. With that weight I doubt the power of the KLR will have such a huge advantage over the CRF300L.
The Honda has better suspension, is better offroad, no issues like the KLR, lighter, has a tachometer and can happily keep up with the KLR on the highway.
Thanks but for that price Ill rather buy a CRF300L and still have a bunch of change and no need to work on the engine straight out the box. 
It doesn't hold a candle to the modern bikes with similar displacement. I wouldn't for a second compare it to a T7.

Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Grunder on September 03, 2021, 09:36:55 am
It's a KLR, no matter what it costs it won't be exciting, but it also won't die. Your grand kids will still be riding it 50 years from now. Buy shares in an oil, company though. Hopefully it comes with a new doohickey  :peepwall:
Doesn't
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: RobC on September 03, 2021, 09:51:24 am
We can read write ups, watch reviews all we like... it a'int coming here...

You think so?

Pity...
It does not meet our stringent (based on EU specs) emission standards, it is aimed at the US market only. :'(
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Vulcan on September 03, 2021, 10:19:00 am
I had a KLR for 8 years and whilst I did love it, it has the be the one bike that Ive had to work on the most.

Price is really the deciding factor for this bike. It would have to be about the same as a 300 imo.
What bugs me is that it kept all the original niggles that its always had. Bikes have progressed so far yet this bike still has a doohickey problem and same old suspension only slightly reworked. I wonder is it still the oil burner like the previous generations?
What can the KLR do that the smaller 300's cant? Its not comfortable, it easily bottoms out and you are guaranteed to be wrenching on it sooner than the Honda. With that weight I doubt the power of the KLR will have such a huge advantage over the CRF300L.
The Honda has better suspension, is better offroad, no issues like the KLR, lighter, has a tachometer and can happily keep up with the KLR on the highway.
Thanks but for that price Ill rather buy a CRF300L and still have a bunch of change and no need to work on the engine straight out the box. 
It doesn't hold a candle to the modern bikes with similar displacement. I wouldn't for a second compare it to a T7.

The only comparison is the weight.

I would also love a CRF300L but not even Honda SA seems to know when they will be getting stock.
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Sabre on September 03, 2021, 10:45:20 pm
And, it doesn't have a rev counter  :(
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Dux on September 04, 2021, 01:28:57 pm
It's a KLR, no matter what it costs it won't be exciting, but it also won't die. Your grand kids will still be riding it 50 years from now. Buy shares in an oil, company though. Hopefully it comes with a new doohickey  :peepwall:

The doohickey was replaced with an upgraded one piece unit in the previous edition KLR already .
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Dux on September 04, 2021, 01:35:16 pm
The KLR fills a good gap in the market , it is a well priced ready to tour single . If you don't like it you buy something else , but the bottom line is that there are people who will find that this bike ticks all the boxes .
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Tom van Brits on September 04, 2021, 01:41:58 pm
See them in US, great bikes
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Odd Dog on September 04, 2021, 04:35:53 pm
Here's a review.

https://advrider.com/2022-kawasaki-klr650-first-ride/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_content=09_03_2021
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: voorvel on September 04, 2021, 04:46:41 pm
Gaan nogsteeds die selfde girls met hom lok.

Alleen, hul tiete hang nou NOG laer  :o
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Cracker on September 04, 2021, 06:35:12 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

I shouldn't laugh .................. had some of my best times, when I had one of those.
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: RobC on September 04, 2021, 06:41:39 pm
:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

I shouldn't laugh .................. had some of my best times, when I had one of those.
I still do...
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on September 04, 2021, 06:43:56 pm
And, it doesn't have a rev counter  :(
It does not need it we all know it revs at the speed a tree is growing!! ;) :lol8: >:D
I really really hope Kawasaki brings them in SA needs a 650 class bike to get/keep/start people touring. :deal: :thumleft:
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: roxenz on September 04, 2021, 07:05:40 pm
And, it doesn't have a rev counter  :(
It does not need it we all know it revs at the speed a tree is growing!! ;) :lol8: >:D
I really really hope Kawasaki brings them in SA needs a 650 class bike to get/keep/start people touring. :deal: :thumleft:
Agreed. KLR was the first "real" bike I owned. It got me to lot of places and gave me a lot of fun.
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: RobC on September 04, 2021, 07:09:55 pm
And, it doesn't have a rev counter  :(
It does not need it we all know it revs at the speed a tree is growing!! ;) :lol8: >:D
I really really hope Kawasaki brings them in SA needs a 650 class bike to get/keep/start people touring. :deal: :thumleft:
They will need another re-design to conform to the EU specs. That is not justifiable when the possible sales donot cover the R&D costs. :'(
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on September 04, 2021, 07:12:32 pm
And, it doesn't have a rev counter  :(
It does not need it we all know it revs at the speed a tree is growing!! ;) :lol8: >:D
I really really hope Kawasaki brings them in SA needs a 650 class bike to get/keep/start people touring. :deal: :thumleft:
They will need another re-design to conform to the EU specs. That is not justifiable when the possible sales donot cover the R&D costs. :'(
They then should just rename them and bring them in via China then those rules do not apply in SA. :deal: >:(
Call them Kawaling or something like that and they will get in easypeasy!! >:(
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: RobC on September 04, 2021, 07:17:48 pm
And, it doesn't have a rev counter  :(
It does not need it we all know it revs at the speed a tree is growing!! ;) :lol8: >:D
I really really hope Kawasaki brings them in SA needs a 650 class bike to get/keep/start people touring. :deal: :thumleft:
They will need another re-design to conform to the EU specs. That is not justifiable when the possible sales donot cover the R&D costs. :'(
They then should just rename them and bring them in via China then those rules do not apply in SA. :deal: >:(
Call them Kawaling or something like that and they will get in easypeasy!! >:(
Afaik there is a special exception for under 300cc bikes.
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Cracker on September 04, 2021, 09:32:46 pm
money in the right pocket = KLR outselling T7

C'mon lads, this is Africa ................. the last bastion of freedom  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on September 05, 2021, 08:21:48 am
And, it doesn't have a rev counter  :(
It does not need it we all know it revs at the speed a tree is growing!! ;) :lol8: >:D
I really really hope Kawasaki brings them in SA needs a 650 class bike to get/keep/start people touring. :deal: :thumleft:
They will need another re-design to conform to the EU specs. That is not justifiable when the possible sales donot cover the R&D costs. :'(
They then should just rename them and bring them in via China then those rules do not apply in SA. :deal: >:(
Call them Kawaling or something like that and they will get in easypeasy!! >:(
Afaik there is a special exception for under 300cc bikes.
And the Crosby 400 Adv slips under the 300 mark into the country? ;) :peepwall:

https://www.zabikers.co.za/2018/12/04/crosby-400-adventure-lightweight-simple-adventure-solution/
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Dux on September 05, 2021, 08:33:44 am
Those EU rules have no place in Africa
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: voorvel on September 05, 2021, 08:41:08 am
Pocket universe?
There now lives 50% more people on the planet, than in the 90's.

So as long as people keep multiplying, these rules will have to become more stringent.

Unfortunately
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: RobC on September 05, 2021, 04:37:42 pm
Those EU rules have no place in Africa
Tell that to the ANC... :sip:
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: RobC on September 05, 2021, 04:39:37 pm
And the Crosby 400 Adv slips under the 300 mark into the country? ;) :peepwall:

https://www.zabikers.co.za/2018/12/04/crosby-400-adventure-lightweight-simple-adventure-solution/
I said AFAIK... I could go full Fudge mode and Google the exact regulation. :sip: :snorting:
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on September 05, 2021, 05:31:17 pm
And the Crosby 400 Adv slips under the 300 mark into the country? ;) :peepwall:

https://www.zabikers.co.za/2018/12/04/crosby-400-adventure-lightweight-simple-adventure-solution/
I said AFAIK... I could go full Fudge mode and Google the exact regulation. :sip: :snorting:
Really a pity we have lost the KLR, DR and XRL Rob. :(
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Dux on September 05, 2021, 06:26:40 pm
And the Crosby 400 Adv slips under the 300 mark into the country? ;) :peepwall:

https://www.zabikers.co.za/2018/12/04/crosby-400-adventure-lightweight-simple-adventure-solution/
I said AFAIK... I could go full Fudge mode and Google the exact regulation. :sip: :snorting:
Really a pity we have lost the KLR, DR and XRL Rob. :(

They are all good affordable bikes that had a potentially good sales future here , but alas
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Tom van Brits on September 05, 2021, 07:31:12 pm
And the Crosby 400 Adv slips under the 300 mark into the country? ;) :peepwall:

https://www.zabikers.co.za/2018/12/04/crosby-400-adventure-lightweight-simple-adventure-solution/
I said AFAIK... I could go full Fudge mode and Google the exact regulation. :sip: :snorting:
Really a pity we have lost the KLR, DR and XRL Rob. :(

Correct

And yes I get the ‘we are more poepol on the planet’ but will another 200 KLR Fi in SA make that more damage than let say a couple new 3 litre bakkies with all the green catalists and shit?

Anyway the wrong platform to take on the environmental gurus

But many of us will be willing to buy the new KLR in SA at a reasonable price
I may infact be standing in front of that line  :3some:

They are all good affordable bikes that had a potentially good sales future here , but alas
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Sabre on September 05, 2021, 09:22:18 pm
And, it doesn't have a rev counter  :(
It does not need it we all know it revs at the speed a tree is growing!! ;) :lol8: >:D
I really really hope Kawasaki brings them in SA needs a 650 class bike to get/keep/start people touring. :deal: :thumleft:
They will need another re-design to conform to the EU specs. That is not justifiable when the possible sales donot cover the R&D costs. :'(
They then should just rename them and bring them in via China then those rules do not apply in SA. :deal: >:(
Call them Kawaling or something like that and they will get in easypeasy!! >:(
I use the rev counter on my KLR more than the speedo. I have had only one vehicle ever that did not come with a rev counter fitted, and I fitted an after market one.
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 05, 2021, 10:32:46 pm
Gaan nogsteeds die selfde girls met hom lok.

Alleen, hul tiete hang nou NOG laer  :o


boxer girls?? :eek7:
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: chicco on September 06, 2021, 06:36:56 am
The price will determine its success.
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: dirt rat on September 06, 2021, 07:54:07 am
Life is too short to ride a KLR..
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Tom van Brits on September 06, 2021, 03:53:06 pm
The price will determine its success.

Priced right in the States because it sells. Always been a favourite here.
KMSA already said it is not coming to SA
There was another thread like a year ago about the bike
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: RobC on September 06, 2021, 04:46:07 pm
And the Crosby 400 Adv slips under the 300 mark into the country? ;) :peepwall:

https://www.zabikers.co.za/2018/12/04/crosby-400-adventure-lightweight-simple-adventure-solution/
I said AFAIK... I could go full Fudge mode and Google the exact regulation. :sip: :snorting:
Really a pity we have lost the KLR, DR and XRL Rob. :(
Indeed. :thumleft:
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: sidetrack on September 06, 2021, 06:08:53 pm
Sexier as n 790
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: voorvel on September 06, 2021, 08:29:48 pm
Sexier as n 790

Klink soos n belediging.
Net nie seker of dit die KLR of 790 is wat beledig word nie
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Groenie on September 08, 2021, 10:16:01 am
I have a Fugly standing in the garage for 25k no instalment per month, not to scared to explore of the track incase I drop it, do all the necessary maintenance myself no dealers to take my hard earned money, even do my own engine overall then there is no oil to buy....
Love the plaas bike feel...
You either like them or hate them...

Sent from my I3312 using Tapatalk



I have 3 Fugly's.
Groenie bought brand new in 2005 for R37k plus a lot more since then
Stofkoei bought for R10k and spent a couple R100
Sareltjie, bought for R27k and had to do major work on it, but had everything in the garage already

I have also owned a few new shape ones, but sold them quickly, coz I don't like them.

The "new" KLR doesn't impress me at all.
More power? Nah.
Heavier? Hell yeah.
Doo? Norrafork.
Suspension? Uhhhm.
Plastics? Gonna be expensive if you fall.
Looks? Better, sort of, maar dis 'n fokken plaasbike met makeup aan

Would I buy it? NO, I spent that money on a Africa Twin.

Now the spanner monkeys comes with me to the pub.
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: chicco on September 08, 2021, 02:30:35 pm
My first "adventure bike" was a KLR in 2005. At that stage it did everything I required and was cheap. Did a couple of pillion rides over break away weekends and used it to commute to work and back once or twice a week. It was more a toy with the quads I owned at the time, taken along on holiday to drive around on while the wife and kids were on quads. Only after a couple of years I was introduced to a KTM 950 when I took the KLR in for some aftermarket parts and Alfie gave me the KTM as a loan bike for the weekend, I sold the KLR and bought a 950, things were getting more technical  after joining Alfie Cox racing.  Only then did I start to realise the drawbacks on the KLR,  before that it was 100% suited for what I needed. Its the ideal bike to get started or on a budget....provided you haven't tasted more advanced bikes.....so for anyone who want to start biking from scratch, or looking for a dual commuting bike, the KLR is the answer.
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: RobC on September 08, 2021, 02:42:16 pm
Old tech rules!

&ab_channel=stuartfillingham
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: the ruffian on September 08, 2021, 02:49:46 pm
I never the KLR, mostly because the ones I encountered were 2nd generation.

Then I met Groenie ( at the Thumper Bash - was it 5 years ago?). I was on a DR 650, which I loved - and still do. He sang the praises of the Generation 1 KLR, and pointed out that it was only 8 or 10 kgs heavier than the DR, and much lighter than the XT 660 or the BMW Dakar ... I looked at his Fugly, heavily modified, and realized that there is far more to an earlier KLR than the cliches would suggest.

It is unspeakable that the new KLR weighs 40 kgs more than the Generation 1  KLR ...!! With no real advantages apart from Fuel Injection.

Later , of course, I came to own a Fugly when @Piet on this forum emigrated to Oz. What a beautiful bike! Modded with specced suspension and a 685 kit ( though stock carb/airbox/exhaust setup) , it recently turned over 100,00 ks. I love cruising backcountry gravel on that bike, and rotate it on alternate trips with the DR.

Without the budget to contemplate a new bike, not even a 250/300 ( I am a pensioner), it’s amazing how happy one can be with an old school Thumper like the Fugly ( or the DR)...

Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: the ruffian on September 08, 2021, 02:51:34 pm
The previous post should have started, “I never liked the KLR...”
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Dux on September 08, 2021, 03:31:56 pm
Strange thing is that people complain about the KLR's weight ( Fugly and Gen2) but they are lighter than the XT660Z which is heavier .
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on September 08, 2021, 03:51:18 pm

Meanwhile Yamaha has the T7... and it is here.

Yes, and ....no! Have you tried to enquire about availability?

I REALLY feel for the importers (esp Honda and Yamaha): - Honda constantly waiting for 300L's, and a BIG branch gets ONE out of a container of 22 bikes; Yamaha T7 also extremely hard to get hold of, some Dealers getting ONE, some two, some have sold their own Demo models to customers, is my understanding...

We know becuase we sell accessories for these bikes, and the bikes are in VERY short supply..., indeed.

the Pan American, they are expecting to bring in 60 - 80 units in year one, roughly 15 - 20 bikes every 90 days, and there are only 5 (well, 6) HD Dealers nationally, so yes, HD Pan American may be easier to get hold of that CRF 300L and T7, sadly.
Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Groenie on September 10, 2021, 11:32:49 am
Like The Ruffian, I'm not that young anymore, and I've ridden the "more advanced bike" and liked them, but my well-sorted KLR will go where most them can go. And it's about to to get a mid-life refresh.... At only 264 000km...
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: RobC on September 10, 2021, 02:40:40 pm
Like The Ruffian, I'm not that young anymore, and I've ridden the "more advanced bike" and liked them, but my well-sorted KLR will go where most them can go. And it's about to to get a mid-life refresh.... At only 264 000km...
I concur... yet it will be while before I reach that mileage figure... :sip:

Wat gaan jy aan Groenie doen?
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Sabre on September 10, 2021, 08:39:06 pm
Like The Ruffian, I'm not that young anymore, and I've ridden the "more advanced bike" and liked them, but my well-sorted KLR will go where most them can go. And it's about to to get a mid-life refresh.... At only 264 000km...
Is that mileage with the original engine, or have you fitted a big bore kit somewhere in it's life ?
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Groenie on September 13, 2021, 11:40:36 am
Like The Ruffian, I'm not that young anymore, and I've ridden the "more advanced bike" and liked them, but my well-sorted KLR will go where most them can go. And it's about to to get a mid-life refresh.... At only 264 000km...
I concur... yet it will be while before I reach that mileage figure... :sip:

Wat gaan jy aan Groenie doen?

Alles. Complete strip down to bare metal. Tear motor apart and replace all bearings, seals, chains, wiring. And go 692
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: RobC on September 13, 2021, 01:38:27 pm
Like The Ruffian, I'm not that young anymore, and I've ridden the "more advanced bike" and liked them, but my well-sorted KLR will go where most them can go. And it's about to to get a mid-life refresh.... At only 264 000km...
I concur... yet it will be while before I reach that mileage figure... :sip:

Wat gaan jy aan Groenie doen?

Alles. Complete strip down to bare metal. Tear motor apart and replace all bearings, seals, chains, wiring. And go 692
Jy moet 'n dokumenter skiet en verkoop. :thumleft:
Title: Re: KLR, the new same bike
Post by: Groenie on September 13, 2021, 01:48:09 pm
Haha, i need someone to sponsor some Gopro's and camera stuff and start a YT channel on how not to fix your KLR