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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: Doringboom on March 18, 2009, 08:35:58 am

Title: The number plate issue
Post by: Doringboom on March 18, 2009, 08:35:58 am
(I am sorry if I am maybe repeating this issue.)

The following notice was forwarded to me (and all clients) yesterday by the dealer principal of Centurion Lifestyle. If this is indeed the case, it seems as if all bikes must have the standard car-size number plate and nothing less. Finish en klaar. The 60 mm bike-size number plate will not be legal anymore, despite SABS marking, number plate shop name, other codes, etc. ??? >:(

“General Warning: Received from Dudley (organizer of 2Wheels for Justice):

Good morning, I have some disturbing news for all bikers.

The law has been passed that should a biker be caught without a number plate or a plate that is not prescribed as per the road traffic act, the vehicle will be confiscated and a fine and de merits will be imposed. The regulation states clearly that the letters of the plate may not be smaller than 75mm and bear the provincial markings and SABS standard stamp. The cops are on a mission to nail the superbikes, as they are said to be the culprits for small or no plates. This info is conveyed from a senior traffic official and we all know that once we are the target they will not have mercy. Don't even think of calling your lawyer, they are in their rights and within the law. Drive safe and be careful.”
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Tyger on March 18, 2009, 09:05:36 am
Do you have any reference to the particular amendment?
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Doringboom on March 18, 2009, 09:16:50 am
Do you have any reference to the particular amendment?

No, unfortunately not.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: RobC on March 18, 2009, 09:33:49 am
Stay legal... I have the tail brake number plate and the attitude change from a traffic cop is remarkable when they see I am legal... they start chatting about the bike and ask where I have been already, end up wishing me a safe trip. Even told me where the next speed trap was in one case! :thumleft:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: zagser on March 18, 2009, 09:42:58 am
Stay legal... I have the tail brake number plate and the attitude change from a traffic cop is remarkable when they see I am legal... they start chatting about the bike and ask where I have been already, end up wishing me a safe trip. Even told me where the next speed trap was in one case! :thumleft:

+1  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Fugly on March 18, 2009, 09:51:44 am
I have already seen a clever compromise on a road bike which i may implement.
The oke mounted the plate on the side of the bike. It gets nicely covered when he climbed on to ride :imaposer:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: shark_za on March 18, 2009, 09:57:10 am
There are only 2x plates that are legal. The long flat one used by most cars and the squarish one used by bikes and cars with wheels and stuff on the back.

Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: JourneyMan on March 18, 2009, 10:01:55 am
Stay legal... I have the tail brake number plate and the attitude change from a traffic cop is remarkable when they see I am legal... they start chatting about the bike and ask where I have been already, end up wishing me a safe trip. Even told me where the next speed trap was in one case! :thumleft:

+1  :thumleft:

Agree. Been through a few road blocks. First they check the plate. If that is OK, their mind set seems to change.

Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: michnus on March 18, 2009, 10:08:20 am
250mm x 160mm is the small legal size plate that bikes can use, it's smaller than the one cars use.

 I agree moer them hard without plates, it's normally the oke's on TB and some others that always first to bitch about taxi's and then they ride without plates, like the thugs that moered the oom and antie blou oog.

Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Doringboom on March 18, 2009, 10:34:40 am
250mm x 160mm is the small legal size plate that bikes can use, it's smaller than the one cars use. .....

Michnus, will this size plate be able to accommodate letters / numbers of 75 mm in height without looking out of balance or "ingeprop" in some way ??? The size of the letters / numbers seems to be crucial here :deal:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: michnus on March 18, 2009, 10:49:15 am
This is the small legal size on my bike. Will measure for you.

(http://www.smugmug.com/photos/281768556_uQuC4-M.jpg)

Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Fugly on March 18, 2009, 11:02:21 am
This is the small legal size on my bike. Will measure for you.

(http://www.smugmug.com/photos/281768556_uQuC4-M.jpg)


I think I'm going to have a new numberplate made now... something like DTT157EC... I'll put it on the Thundercat >:D
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: michnus on March 18, 2009, 11:31:43 am
Your'e welcome I borrowed the number from another BMW rider in PE.  :mwink: >:D
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Doringboom on March 18, 2009, 11:35:51 am
This is the small legal size on my bike. Will measure for you.

Thanks Michnus :thumleft: My bike’s plate has the SABS marking etc. on, but the letter & number height is 60 mm. Letters & numbers with a 75 mm height will certainly necessitate a bigger plate the way I look at it :o
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Fugly on March 18, 2009, 11:58:26 am
Your'e welcome I borrowed the number from another BMW rider in PE.  :mwink: >:D
He's about to have the fastest BMW in the country :imaposer:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Lootch67 on March 18, 2009, 03:09:51 pm
How the hell are the poor KLR riders going to prevent their number plates from being chowed by the rear wheel now?? ???
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: RobC on March 18, 2009, 03:12:06 pm
How the hell are the poor KLR riders going to prevent their number plates from being chowed by the rear wheel now?? ???
Easy... fit raising links! >:D
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: chicco on March 18, 2009, 03:24:45 pm
this plate got me in groot kaark.....I'm staying leagal now......no more sculls for me........
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: JohanGPS on March 18, 2009, 08:12:55 pm
My plate is legal...you cannot see the laser jammer, hehehehe, until they start to enforce road safety and not just a money making racket. between the zumo and the LJ they work overtime.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: ReyDakar on March 18, 2009, 09:21:30 pm
According to a report on news24 a while ago the 250 x 165, with 60mm lettering will be used on all motorcycles.  Fixing regulations will be the same as for cars, etc.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on March 18, 2009, 10:06:43 pm
My plate is legal...you cannot see the laser jammer, hehehehe, until they start to enforce road safety and not just a money making racket. between the zumo and the LJ they work overtime.

Which one do you have? I have in each of my vehicles, and one extra for my bike, but not fitted yet. I have the Laser Pro Park Unit from the States. Works with laser eyes, and not the led type like the Shifters etc.

My R1 has a flip up nr plate, sorry, will stay.
My FJR has a lekka oil stripe on the middle of the  plate which the rear tyre spun up, and there is now dust on it that I can't get off  :pot:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Captain Zef on March 18, 2009, 10:09:02 pm
Julle worry oor k*k. Stay legal.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on March 18, 2009, 10:17:30 pm
He he he, kan sien julle het nie in PE so baie kameras soos hier by ons nie!

Ek ry nie meer hard op die highway nie, maar daai 73kph in n 60 zone maak my dood. Die klein jakkalsies wat so seer byt. 3 tot 4 R150 fines n week is nie snaaks nie.....

Het op die Highway laasweek 7 laser kameras in n 12km stretch gekry. Dis bietjie hectic man  :mwink:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Iron Shark on March 19, 2009, 01:17:07 am
He he he, kan sien julle het nie in PE so baie kameras soos hier by ons nie!

Ek ry nie meer hard op die highway nie, maar daai 73kph in n 60 zone maak my dood. Die klein jakkalsies wat so seer byt. 3 tot 4 R150 fines n week is nie snaaks nie.....

Het op die Highway laasweek 7 laser kameras in n 12km stretch gekry. Dis bietjie hectic man  :mwink:

That's wild man!!!   >:(
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: LeonDude on March 19, 2009, 05:41:50 am
Metro in Centurion love speedtraps - there's one on every corner. And nowadays I can barely go out the front door without riding past a few of them pulling people off the road. Keep my bike legal and the speed down, it's the only answer.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Mzee on March 19, 2009, 08:36:07 am
Metro in Centurion love speedtraps - there's one on every corner. And nowadays I can barely go out the front door without riding past a few of them pulling people off the road. Keep my bike legal and the speed down, it's the only answer.

Without intending to load it on anyone, WD are legal; the contrary should not even be an issue.  We are good citizens -- keep it legal ;D
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: chicco on March 19, 2009, 08:51:17 am
Number plate disaster
26/01/2009 08:53  - (SA)   

South Africa's traffic departments and metro police prove conclusively every day that, as Charles Dickens wrote 172 years ago, the law is an ass.

Not only that, but they have this arrogant, completely undemocratic notion that we poor motorists are guilty as sin until we spend a lot of time, effort and money proving that we are innocent.

I was talking a while back to a senior traffic cop in Pretoria who told me that one of the biggest problems today is the number of people driving around with false number plates on their cars. He said it amounted to "thousands and thousands".

What fascinates me is the way in which the traffic authorities have decided to handle this problem.

Quite simply, they have made it our problem and not theirs.

So, when you get a speeding fine through the post or for that matter a fine for anything else such as illegal parking, not having renewed your annual licence and so forth as a result of some knucklehead illegally using your number plate, it's no good just ignoring it.

Even if the number plate in question happens to be on your dirty old garden trailer and the photo on the speeding fine is a Ferrari, it doesn't help you to think that maybe somebody in the traffic department will notice. They won't.

And ignoring it will cost you dearly, because the fine will be lodged against your name and next time you go in to renew the annual licence for any one of the legal vehicles you own, it won't be issued until you have paid all the outstanding fines.

What you have to do is go to a police station, get them to sign your sworn affidavit that it is not your vehicle and that a false number plate is being used. Then, you have to fax it to either the traffic department or if you got a summons, to the clerk of the traffic court. Then you have to make a zillion phone calls to make sure they got the fax and that the fine has been taken off your name.

It is always a time consuming and costly exercise.

Make a note

So, if you go through all that, why, you might wonder, can't the traffic authorities just make a note on their computers so next time that idiot who has stolen your number plate gets caught speeding on a camera, they can see in a second that its the old false number plate story again and not give you uphill.

I know people who have received dozens of these false number plate fines and every time they have to go through the same rigmarole.

I asked that traffic cop in Pretoria why they couldn't just log things on their computers and this is what he said. Honestly, I am not kidding. "All the films from the camera speed traps go to Israel where they are processed and the fines printed out and air freighted back to South Africa where they are posted. So unfortunately, we can't do anything about it."

Ok, so maybe you are so angry you want to have your day in court? You want to stand up and tell a magistrate that the traffic cops are costing you an arm and a leg and for him to order them to stop it.

I have a friend who tried that a while back. When he got the summons, he entered a plea to defend and sent it to the magistrates court. On the appointed day he arrived at court in a temper and ready to say his piece. Eventually, the prosecutor came out and shouted to the waiting crowd; "anyone here for false number plates?"

My buddy put up his hand, showed his summons to the prosecutor who took it from him, scribbled "False Plate" on it and then told my mate that he could go home.

"I don't want to go home," he said, "I want my $#@&* day in court, don't tell me go home. I've been waiting three hours."

"Listen, meneer," said the prosecutor, "if I bring this case in front of the magistrate I will lose my job - he will bliksem me for wasting his time. Sorry pal, just go home and forget about it...."

So, the endless cycle continues and only stops once you have sold your vehicle and some other poor sap starts getting all the tickets. It doesn't even help to die.

Maybe there is a solution. I can't think of one but maybe you can.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: chicco on March 19, 2009, 08:56:57 am
Strict new number plate laws

Johannesburg - Vehicle owners countrywide will, by law, have to pop rivet or screw their number plates onto the body of their vehicle from January 1 2009.

Collen Msibi, spokesperson for the Department of Transport, said the new measures would make it more difficult for thieves to steal vehicles, and for vehicle owners to drive around with false number plates.

The department would require that every number plate be permanently fixed directly onto the panel of a vehicle with 4mm one-way screws or pop rivets, at all four corners.

The screws or pop rivets may not be further than 20mm from the edge of a number plate.

"This will make it a lot more difficult for criminals to remove a vehicle's number plate, and replace it with another.

"We believe that these little changes will make a big contribution towards reducing vehicle theft," Msibi said.

"The new regulations are there to help vehicle owners and will be introduced systematically."

"We have given vehicle manufacturers at least a year and a half to meet the new requirements," he said.

Other changes are that no-one may be in possession of a number plate if it does not relate to a vehicle owned by that person, and that only three standard-sized number plates will be allowed on South African roads from January 1 2010.

Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: whitedelight on March 19, 2009, 09:20:35 am
Strict new number plate laws

Johannesburg - Vehicle owners countrywide will, by law, have to pop rivet or screw their number plates onto the body of their vehicle from January 1 2009.

Collen Msibi, spokesperson for the Department of Transport, said the new measures would make it more difficult for thieves to steal vehicles, and for vehicle owners to drive around with false number plates.

The department would require that every number plate be permanently fixed directly onto the panel of a vehicle with 4mm one-way screws or pop rivets, at all four corners.

The screws or pop rivets may not be further than 20mm from the edge of a number plate.

"This will make it a lot more difficult for criminals to remove a vehicle's number plate, and replace it with another.

"We believe that these little changes will make a big contribution towards reducing vehicle theft," Msibi said.

"The new regulations are there to help vehicle owners and will be introduced systematically."

"We have given vehicle manufacturers at least a year and a half to meet the new requirements," he said.

Other changes are that no-one may be in possession of a number plate if it does not relate to a vehicle owned by that person, and that only three standard-sized number plates will be allowed on South African roads from January 1 2010.



Can you imagine how many people got paid and how many meetings took place to figure this lot out.My plate is illegal,but no issues with the authorities been able to film it.The thing is with a lot of bikes is the fine for the wrong number plate or no number plate at all is exactly the same.maybe the reason some guys don't bother with them.
I reckon you more likely to get pulled off without one than with the incorrect size....
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Doringboom on March 19, 2009, 09:43:26 am
.............., and that only three standard-sized number plates will be allowed on South African roads from January 1 2010.

Thank you chicco (and all other contributors so far). I then deduce from the above that the 250 x 165 mm plate with letters & numbers with the height of 60 mm is among this three. I consider my question now answered :)
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: chicco on March 19, 2009, 11:47:01 am
On Personalised number plates KZN

Composition and size of a Provincial Personalised Licence Number
3.1 Composition
The combination of numbers and/or letters shall be followed by a hyphen and the letters ZN with the
wording KwaZulu-Natal in small print at the bottom of the plate. A Provincial Personalised Licence
Number may consist of any combination of numbers and/or letters up to a maximum of seven
characters with the following exceptions:
3.1.1 the number 1 cannot be used to replace the letter I and vise versa.
3.1.2 the number 0 cannot be used to replace the letter O and vise versa.
3.1.3 a Provincial Personalised Licence Number that is offensive in any manner as determined by
the Adjudicating Committee.
3.2 Size and Lettering style
3.2.1 Provincial Personalised Licence Number plates being supplied will be of the standard size
(440 x 120mm) and the standard lettering style for motor vehicles in terms of SABS 1116
unless otherwise requested on the preferred licence plate size form.
3.2.2 Failure to indicate an alternative size and lettering style if required will result in the
successful applicant being responsible for the replacement costs thereof and the return of the
standard size plates.
3.2.3 There are two lettering styles available, viz. the standard lettering style and the broader
lettering style. The broader lettering style may only be used on the 520 x 113mm plate for
combinations of one to six characters, on the 440 x 120mm plate for combinations of one to
five characters and on the 250 x 205mm plate for combinations of one to four characters on
the top half of the plate and a maximum of one character on the bottom half of the plate,
followed by the –ZN.
3.2.4 The broader lettering style may not be used on the 250 x 165mm or the 305 x 165mm plate.
3.3 Display
3.3.1 In instances where 250 x 205mm or 250 x 165mm plates are requested, a minimum of one
and a maximum of five characters may be displayed on the top half of the plate and the
balance, if any, up to a maximum of two characters displayed on the bottom half of the plate
followed by the –ZN.
3.3.2 In instances where the 305 x 165mm plates are requested, a minimum of one and a
maximum of six characters may be displayed on the top half of the plate and the balance, if
any, up to a maximum of three characters displayed on the bottom half of the plate followed
by the –ZN.
2
3.3.3 In instances where the combination consists of seven characters only the following plate
sizes can be accommodated: 520 x 113mm, 305 x 165mm, 250 x 205mm and 250 x 165mm.

U C THATS WHY ALL NEW SPIETKOPS MUST HAVE ST 6. NO WAYS THEY WILL REMEMBER ALL THIS SK*T.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: JohanGPS on March 19, 2009, 02:05:22 pm
Manic, the one you use is a copy of the one I sell.
There are 2 new laser cameras that your cannot jam. They say yours is updateable, however they cannot update them . If you are ever close to CT , I have the newest
camera sim and can show you that yours do not jam them, only the older (and more widely used)
Still ages better than a shiter, bell 905 or blinder.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: BiG DoM on March 19, 2009, 05:38:08 pm
Manic, the one you use is a copy of the one I sell.
There are 2 new laser cameras that your cannot jam. They say yours is updateable, however they cannot update them . If you are ever close to CT , I have the newest
camera sim and can show you that yours do not jam them, only the older (and more widely used)
Still ages better than a shiter, bell 905 or blinder.

Tell us more or post link pls on product.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on April 13, 2009, 12:07:36 am
Manic, the one you use is a copy of the one I sell.
There are 2 new laser cameras that your cannot jam. They say yours is updateable, however they cannot update them . If you are ever close to CT , I have the newest
camera sim and can show you that yours do not jam them, only the older (and more widely used)
Still ages better than a shiter, bell 905 or blinder.

You see, when I started looking at these units they told me mine is the genuine one, and that the other is the copy  >:D

I have not recieved one fine since I had them installed almost 8mnths ago. And I pass numerous lasers everyday, and I'm always over the speed limit by 10 to 30kph. Wifes car has one in too. Same story, fines stopped since it was installed......

Still have a spare one in my cupboard, that needs to go onto my R1. But eish, if I know if I have it installed I will be in News24 very soon. Maybe it must stay in the cupboard, at least I now ride responsible with the R1.....
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on April 13, 2009, 12:20:33 am
Manic, the one you use is a copy of the one I sell.
There are 2 new laser cameras that your cannot jam. They say yours is updateable, however they cannot update them . If you are ever close to CT , I have the newest
camera sim and can show you that yours do not jam them, only the older (and more widely used)
Still ages better than a shiter, bell 905 or blinder.

Tell us more or post link pls on product.

www.laserpropark.com This is the one I have.
www.laserguys.co.za/laser_interceptor.htm

Test results and some common info on how it works. A MUST read to understand this.
http://www.guysoflidar.com/july-2008/laser-jammer-test.html

Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Fugly on April 13, 2009, 07:10:52 am
Manic, the one you use is a copy of the one I sell.
There are 2 new laser cameras that your cannot jam. They say yours is updateable, however they cannot update them . If you are ever close to CT , I have the newest
camera sim and can show you that yours do not jam them, only the older (and more widely used)
Still ages better than a shiter, bell 905 or blinder.
So come on guys! Tell us which is the best!
Hell I'll start a new link!
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Kamanya on April 13, 2009, 07:34:33 am
Number plate disaster
26/01/2009 08:53  - (SA)   

I asked that traffic cop in Pretoria why they couldn't just log things on their computers and this is what he said. Honestly, I am not kidding. "All the films from the camera speed traps go to Israel where they are processed and the fines printed out and air freighted back to South Africa where they are posted. So unfortunately, we can't do anything about it."



What absolute rubbish!

I have a client whose business it is to install, and run numerous cameras throughout South Africa. They also process all the pictures and issue the fines that you can pay online.

More and more the police have tendered out the job of administering speed control out to private companies.

As they are private, they are not in the business to lose money. On the contrary they are out to make their systems as efficient as possible in all facets of the process.

This company also supplies the police with their cameras and are contracted to maintain them. This business used to be involved at the highest level of South African defense technology and a lot of the brains that were used there are now being applied to speed control. I would suggest that with all this against us, just being a little more legal is going to be the easier route.

A lot of us need to get past the concept that speeding is a right.

If you are going to do it then take your medicine when you get caught and stop whinging and making out that the police and government are in corrupt cahoots to spoil your fun.

I almost always speed on my bike but not in my car, and try my best to avoid the traps.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Fugly on April 13, 2009, 07:37:28 am
Since when do KTM riders speed? ;D
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: TK-Ten on April 13, 2009, 08:12:57 am
Manic , that seems to be a common problem on the FJR's !!
Mine is getting the chainlube -and -dust treatment once in a while ! >:D
It's about all the XR and FJR have in common : They both use chainlube !! ;D
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on April 13, 2009, 01:29:43 pm
Manic, the one you use is a copy of the one I sell.
There are 2 new laser cameras that your cannot jam. They say yours is updateable, however they cannot update them . If you are ever close to CT , I have the newest
camera sim and can show you that yours do not jam them, only the older (and more widely used)
Still ages better than a shiter, bell 905 or blinder.
So come on guys! Tell us which is the best!
Hell I'll start a new link!

At R8000 per unit you need to know what you buy........

If you look at the chart on the web link, the more GREEN you see the better. So according to that, the Laser Interceptor is the best. With my Laser Pro Park in second place.

Don't know what kind JohanGPS sells?
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on April 13, 2009, 01:39:00 pm
Manic , that seems to be a common problem on the FJR's !!
Mine is getting the chainlube -and -dust treatment once in a while ! >:D
It's about all the XR and FJR have in common : They both use chainlube !! ;D

Chain lube  ??? My FJR is shaft drive....
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Fugly on April 13, 2009, 03:27:33 pm
Perhaps he means FZR ???
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: TK-Ten on April 13, 2009, 04:53:02 pm
Manic , that seems to be a common problem on the FJR's !!
Mine is getting the chainlube -and -dust treatment once in a while ! >:D
It's about all the XR and FJR have in common : They both use chainlube !! ;D

Chain lube  ??? My FJR is shaft drive....

I didn't say that my FJR needs chainlube , said that it is the only thing my XR and FJR share .
For the Xr on the chain , for the FJR on the numberplate !! Geddit ? >:D
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on April 13, 2009, 05:02:47 pm
 :biggrin: :thumleft:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Kamanya on April 14, 2009, 12:10:43 pm
Ka-ching!

See, the gods do have a sense of humour. I enter into a number plate discussion a few days ago and look what happens....

There I am doing an errand this morning, decided to take the bike.

As I get onto the M5 I pass a biker cop riding slowly behind another cop car. 1k down the way he pulls me over.

Mmmmm. I could be in trouble for a whole lot more than speeding.

I was travelling pretty quickly but not overly so, about 120 in the 100 zone. He says take, “Take your helmet off”.

He doesn’t say anything more while he inspects my license disc and then goes to the back of the bike. Goes back to the license disc.

“What’s your plate number?”

I repeat the right one. He says, “Correct, but that’s not what’s back there. You not only have a non-SABS approved plate but you are defeating the ends of justice with the wrong last digit”

He says nothing more, but is getting out his book. So with nothing to do while he is writing up all this up I take a walk around his Honda Pan Euro. Nice bike and say so. I notice he seems to have taken a tumble on the left. Looks like it just fell over. I comment on this but he just grunts and starts asking my details.

He says, “Remove your number plate”

Ok, as soon as I get home.

“No, now!”

Nothing for it but to bust it off. It’s bolted on and I didn’t feel like breaking out my tools.

I wander back to him with the bits in my pocket. “I got almost all of it off, just a sliver left”

“Where’s it?”

“Here”, as I pull the pieces out of my jacket pocket and put them back again.

He seems really annoyed, “give them here!”

From here I didn’t quite know what was going to happen and he did seem to write quite a bit down. I even contemplated what I was going to have to say to my wife who would have to come and fetch me from the cop station. I had read somewhere that they impound bikes with false plates on.

Then he read me the ticket.

“Blab la bla... R300.00 Bla bla... and you will have a legal plate on by the end of today!”

I noticed that he was really angry reading this to me. He lips were tight and he was showing classic anger symptoms.

So I said, “You really are quite angry with me aren’t you? I am sorry and apologise, but I am wondering why you would be so worked up about this?”

“You were riding like an idiot and you have an illegal plate”

I let the first accusation slide, it was a perception that I didn’t share, “True, but that’s not a reason to be angry with me?”

He said nothing but was really not looking peaceful. I asked why he stopped me.

“I can stop anyone, and I always stop illegal plated bikes” He hissed.

He was not responding well to this discussion, but seeing as he was starting to boil up and I had only gotten a R300.00 fine (I thought I was going to be in for much much more), I didn’t push my luck anymore and left it at that.

As he was starting up, a bike came past with no plate on.

He didn’t go after him but carried on to the N1?

My take on the whole thing...

I think he just wants to come to the dark side, but can’t afford to yet. You know how I know? He knew the type and model of the bike even with my aftermarket tanks on.

Moral of the story; If you ride a KTM and aren’t legal, stay away from Mr Sinclair on a Pan European Honda.


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Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Fugly on April 14, 2009, 12:16:29 pm
:imaposer: sorry boet! I just had a good chuckle!
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Lootch67 on April 14, 2009, 12:53:22 pm
Love it when it looks like they're about to snap their bra straps! R300 does seem to be a bit of a bargain.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Kamanya on April 14, 2009, 01:22:13 pm
Love it when it looks like they're about to snap their bra straps! R300 does seem to be a bit of a bargain.

Just checked;

Motor vehicle with number plates not SABS approved  - R500
 
Motor vehicle with plates not applicable – Court

He was being nice.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Bakkie on April 14, 2009, 01:25:27 pm
brilliant description of events  ;D

Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 14, 2009, 01:42:34 pm
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Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: dust rat on April 14, 2009, 01:47:27 pm
i was stopped by a cop in bloem, R500.00 for illegal plate.I then asked him what the fine would be if I had no number plate

R100.00 he said ,doesnt make sense to me but what does in our legal system
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: chicco on April 14, 2009, 01:50:07 pm
I think he was teasing you, no numberplate is "go to court" and Bike on police trailer stories.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: LuckyStriker on April 14, 2009, 01:53:00 pm
i was stopped by a cop in bloem, R500.00 for illegal plate.I then asked him what the fine would be if I had no number plate

R100.00 he said ,doesnt make sense to me but what does in our legal system

makes perfect sense to me. Illegal plates, whether undersized or dyslexic, is a deliberate attempt to undermine the law.
missing plate could have a completely innocent explanation, especially on a DS bike that does a lot of gravel roads
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: chicco on April 14, 2009, 02:15:24 pm
This was from "another" forum.....To much trouble for me, just fit a bloody legal numberplate and safe you all the hassle.

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Title: Impounding of bikes
Post by: Arcticflipper on March 17, 2009, 09:30:51 am
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Ok seeing how the Metro seems to be on a high these days, I've unfortunately had the brand of their campaign.

Yes I was in the wrong by not displaying a numberplate, and take full responsability for this, give me the fine, no problem, even take the bike off the road (Take my license disc) no problem there either.
But what I do have a problem with is what happens after the Metro now decided to impound your vehicle.

You now have to use their towing service, doesn't matter if they have the correct equipment to safely remove your vehicle or not, nor do they nor the Metro take responsability for any damage to the vihicle.

The towing services moered my bike over when they dropped it off at the impound, breaking the bottom cowl and damaging the right side of the bike, fairings, tank, etc.

So what now?

Now I have to go and make a civil case against the Metro as they were the instructional party and the towing service was only contracted to them.

First thing to remember - DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING FROM THE TOWING SERVICE
Second - DO NOT GIVE THEM OR LEAVE YOUR KEYS ON THE BIKE.

It took me a full 4 hours to get the fine paid, bike released from the pound, roadworthy test done at AA and legal numberplate fitted, and the bike back on Natis system registered.

So what did they gain? Buggerall. They made R200.00 for the fine, and now have a bill on the repairs for the damage to the bike of R18 000.00 so far, excluding the Lawyers fees and also the towing service contract price of R350.00.

The logic behind this completely escapes me.

Why will they simply just not listen to us?

Here is what I propose in this situation.
No one has a problem with the fat that you get a fine, nor that the bike is even taken off the road and you have to go get it roadworthied again and re-registered. That's not the problem, and yes I do understand that Metro has a dificult job as it is.
BUT

If your contracted towing service does not have the proper equipment to tow the vehicle then rather let the rider take the bike to the impound, I mean come on you've allready verified the details and given him the fine and taken the bike off the road. Where's he going to go? YOu know where he lives.... Idiots

Instead of all this, why not just give the fine (municipality fine for no numberplate is R1000.00) even take the license disc (have to then go and get a roadworthy done again) and then tell the owner that he or she has x-amount of time to get the vehicle tested again or it will be removed from enatis. They can then also tell you that when you pay the fine, and bring the roadworthy with that you can then collect the license disc from the Metro official Office.

I had to pay a fine of R200.00 and take the receipt with to the pound before I could get my bike released, but what has changed since the bike was impounded? It was impounded due to no numberplate, and the morning when I collected it it still had no numberplate? I rode the bike out without any questions asked. No cop stopped me afterwards, and I did spend a lot of time running around asking what and who is now liable for the damage caused by them. So that's the logic that escapes me.

Besides me now getting targetted by Metro, getting stopped every morning and every evening for "routine inspections", and I'm having so much fun with them ... lol
Today I will suggest a search for concealed weapons, and also mention that I would like to have a search with a happy ending... lol

" no you missed it... little to the right, bit more, bit more, you missed it again...." lol

But yeah so is life! By the end of this week I will know a couple of them on a much more personal level... lol ... let's just say it will be more than first name basis stories... bwhahahahahahahaha

I'm still going on with the civil case against the state and the towing service, nothing they can do will affect me in any way concerning this desicion, and I might just bring in harrasment into this too... let them carry on and have their 15 minutes of fame (Power trip while they write the paperwork - fine, impound documents) lol
 
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Paulsky on April 14, 2009, 02:24:19 pm
So do you have a legal plate now?
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: chicco on April 14, 2009, 02:27:53 pm
yes....
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: chicco on April 14, 2009, 02:35:03 pm
oops....its the wrong way around..again....
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Bakkie on April 14, 2009, 02:49:15 pm
hey paulsky I saw a cop riding around town showing off a KTM999EC plate on his dashboard...... what happend???
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Kamanya on April 14, 2009, 02:55:24 pm
So do you have a legal plate now?

Yep the old one is in the garage, but...
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on April 14, 2009, 02:56:42 pm
I think he was teasing you, no numberplate is "go to court" and Bike on police trailer stories.

That is what happens here in JHB.

Rather get the legal plate on, and stick a Wild Dog sticker over the nrs. For that you only get a fine.......
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: met eish on April 14, 2009, 03:00:20 pm
Quote
Moral of the story; If you ride a KTM and aren’t legal, stay away from Mr Sinclair on a Pan European Honda.
I have been pulled over by him many times on the M3 . Last time was about the smaller no plate issue. I am always polite and never wintgat. I explained to him that a standard eating tray no. plate will not last as I do a lot of off rd and that I understand it hat if he gives me a fine he is just doing his job.
I added that I am not a transgressor off the law and he said he knows that  :mwink:
He greeted me shook my hand and said that the Traffic dept are actually after the superbikes.
Moral of the story: Don't have attitude
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Ama ride ride on April 14, 2009, 03:05:48 pm
Depending where and how I am going to ride I remove my plate.

Since I had a tyre to test at over 180km/h  I removed my plate.

With no plate on I bump into yesterday's Beyers Naude road block at the Cresta Mall enroute to Full Throttle. I simply rode past the metro cop that signalled me to stop, turned left at the next street , right at the following and right into Full Throttles walled parking yard. Browsed around for 30 min and went home.

 8)

B.T.W.........FT is becomming expensive.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Adventurer on April 14, 2009, 03:08:57 pm
Depending where and how I am going to ride I remove my plate.

Since I had a tyre to test at over 180km/h  I removed my plate.

With no plate on I bump into yesterday's Beyers Naude road block at the Cresta Mall enroute to Full Throttle. I simply rode past the metro cop that signalled me to stop, turned left at the next street , right at the following and right into Full Throttles walled parking yard. Browsed around for 30 min and went home.

 8)

B.T.W.........FT is becomming expensive.

Ama, you always have the excuse that you never heard him telling you to stop.... :biggrin:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Ama ride ride on April 14, 2009, 03:12:15 pm
Depending where and how I am going to ride I remove my plate.

Since I had a tyre to test at over 180km/h  I removed my plate.

With no plate on I bump into yesterday's Beyers Naude road block at the Cresta Mall enroute to Full Throttle. I simply rode past the metro cop that signalled me to stop, turned left at the next street , right at the following and right into Full Throttles walled parking yard. Browsed around for 30 min and went home.

 8)

B.T.W.........FT is becomming expensive.

Ama, you always have the excuse that you never heard him telling you to stop.... :biggrin:

Out of experience I know the judge would ask..."are you saying that you had no idea what a "stop" hand signal means? :biggrin:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 14, 2009, 03:20:49 pm
Depending where and how I am going to ride I remove my plate.

You need one of those flip up/down plates.  ;D
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Kamanya on April 14, 2009, 03:21:10 pm
Quote
Moral of the story; If you ride a KTM and aren’t legal, stay away from Mr Sinclair on a Pan European Honda.
I have been pulled over by him many times on the M3 . Last time was about the smaller no plate issue. I am always polite and never wintgat. I explained to him that a standard eating tray no. plate will not last as I do a lot of off rd and that I understand it hat if he gives me a fine he is just doing his job.
I added that I am not a transgressor off the law and he said he knows that  :mwink:
He greeted me shook my hand and said that the Traffic dept are actually after the superbikes.
Moral of the story: Don't have attitude

I know what pissed him off was not the size; it was that the licence disc and number plate were not exactly the same, that's what got to him... I think.

I was very courteous to him. It was only right at the end that I was commenting on his attitude that it went even further south.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on April 14, 2009, 03:43:58 pm
Motor vehicle not registered
 R 1 000
 3
 
Motor vehicle not licensed
 R 1 000
 3
 
Operating vehicle with special licence on public road
 R 500
 1
 
Motor vehicle with number plates not SABS approved
 R 500
 1
 
Motor vehicle displaying no number plates
 Court
 6
 
Motor vehicle displaying only one number plate
 R 500
 2
 
Motor vehicle with plates not applicable
 Court
 6
 
Motor vehicle with number plate obscured or illegible
 R 250
 0
 
Motor vehicle with both plates obscured or  illegible
 Court
 6
 
Licence disc not displayed
 R 500
 1
 
Licence disc obscured or illegible
 R 500
 1
 
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: The TRANSPORTER on April 14, 2009, 05:54:50 pm
Jy ken darem goed die boetes he likkewaan vir n man wat met laserjammers en en en  ry....... :deal: :deal: :thumleft:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on April 14, 2009, 07:35:33 pm
Jy ken darem goed die boetes he likkewaan vir n man wat met laserjammers en en en  ry....... :deal: :deal: :thumleft:

Ek moet my couz!! Goed gee my kak elke dag.....
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 14, 2009, 07:46:29 pm
Depending where and how I am going to ride I remove my plate.

You need one of those flip up/down plates.  ;D

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 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on April 14, 2009, 07:55:51 pm
Why did you ride at 221kph? nah I don't know......
Where is your nr plate? nah I don't know......

Ok, see ya at Germiston Court on Monday! ok, no problem.....

Conversation I don't want to have again  :peepwall:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: buzzlightyear on April 14, 2009, 08:04:05 pm

Moral of the story; If you ride a KTM and aren’t legal, stay away from Mr Sinclair on a Pan European Honda.


Yes, I've met him before. Apparently he does not like coloured (yellow/orange) head light protectors...
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Fugly on April 14, 2009, 08:25:26 pm
Quote
Moral of the story; If you ride a KTM and aren’t legal, stay away from Mr Sinclair on a Pan European Honda.
I have been pulled over by him many times on the M3 . Last time was about the smaller no plate issue. I am always polite and never wintgat. I explained to him that a standard eating tray no. plate will not last as I do a lot of off rd and that I understand it hat if he gives me a fine he is just doing his job.
I added that I am not a transgressor off the law and he said he knows that  :mwink:
He greeted me shook my hand and said that the Traffic dept are actually after the superbikes.
Moral of the story: Don't have attitude

I know what pissed him off was not the size; it was that the licence disc and number plate were not exactly the same, that's what got to him... I think.

I was very courteous to him. It was only right at the end that I was commenting on his attitude that it went even further south.

:imaposer: Sorry gotta have another chuckle! Show him a digit or 2! :imaposer:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Mzee on April 15, 2009, 08:35:35 am
Ka-ching!

See, the gods do have a sense of humour. I enter into a number plate discussion a few days ago and look what happens....

There I am doing an errand this morning, decided to take the bike.

As I get onto the M5 I pass a biker cop riding slowly behind another cop car. 1k down the way he pulls me over.

Mmmmm. I could be in trouble for a whole lot more than speeding.

I was travelling pretty quickly but not overly so, about 120 in the 100 zone. He says take, “Take your helmet off”.

He doesn’t say anything more while he inspects my license disc and then goes to the back of the bike. Goes back to the license disc.

“What’s your plate number?”

I repeat the right one. He says, “Correct, but that’s not what’s back there. You not only have a non-SABS approved plate but you are defeating the ends of justice with the wrong last digit”

He says nothing more, but is getting out his book. So with nothing to do while he is writing up all this up I take a walk around his Honda Pan Euro. Nice bike and say so. I notice he seems to have taken a tumble on the left. Looks like it just fell over. I comment on this but he just grunts and starts asking my details.

He says, “Remove your number plate”

Ok, as soon as I get home.

“No, now!”

Nothing for it but to bust it off. It’s bolted on and I didn’t feel like breaking out my tools.

I wander back to him with the bits in my pocket. “I got almost all of it off, just a sliver left”

“Where’s it?”

“Here”, as I pull the pieces out of my jacket pocket and put them back again.

He seems really annoyed, “give them here!”

From here I didn’t quite know what was going to happen and he did seem to write quite a bit down. I even contemplated what I was going to have to say to my wife who would have to come and fetch me from the cop station. I had read somewhere that they impound bikes with false plates on.

Then he read me the ticket.

“Blab la bla... R300.00 Bla bla... and you will have a legal plate on by the end of today!”

I noticed that he was really angry reading this to me. He lips were tight and he was showing classic anger symptoms.

So I said, “You really are quite angry with me aren’t you? I am sorry and apologise, but I am wondering why you would be so worked up about this?”

“You were riding like an idiot and you have an illegal plate”

I let the first accusation slide, it was a perception that I didn’t share, “True, but that’s not a reason to be angry with me?”

He said nothing but was really not looking peaceful. I asked why he stopped me.

“I can stop anyone, and I always stop illegal plated bikes” He hissed.

He was not responding well to this discussion, but seeing as he was starting to boil up and I had only gotten a R300.00 fine (I thought I was going to be in for much much more), I didn’t push my luck anymore and left it at that.

As he was starting up, a bike came past with no plate on.

He didn’t go after him but carried on to the N1?

My take on the whole thing...

I think he just wants to come to the dark side, but can’t afford to yet. You know how I know? He knew the type and model of the bike even with my aftermarket tanks on.

Moral of the story; If you ride a KTM and aren’t legal, stay away from Mr Sinclair on a Pan European Honda.


(http://kamanya.smugmug.com/photos/512333494_KRaDD-L.jpg)

Maniac don't you think you should have been arrested, locked away and the key thrown away? ;D
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: the_wes on April 15, 2009, 09:03:32 am

He says nothing more, but is getting out his book. So with nothing to do while he is writing up all this up I take a walk around his Honda Pan Euro. Nice bike and say so. I notice he seems to have taken a tumble on the left. Looks like it just fell over. I comment on this but he just grunts and starts asking my details.


nice - the oke's writing you a fine and you're commenting on his "off" :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: shark_za on April 15, 2009, 09:11:47 am
That "alternate charge" box, surely its fine 1 and 2 or 3 it is ticked?

Just wondering because I have R500 and R300 and R200 but the box is ticked.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Doggone on April 15, 2009, 09:34:51 am
Date of offence looks like 24 07 2009 to me. So it hasn't happened yet?? Dunno if u can work with this ??

Maybe if you put ypour head in the sand it will just go away!! >:D ;D

.........I hear that prison diets are not recommended  >:D ;D
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: JourneyMan on April 15, 2009, 09:40:09 am
Date of offence looks like 24 07 2009 to me. So it hasn't happened yet?? Dunno if u can work with this ??



Date of court appearance. ;)
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Moondog on April 15, 2009, 10:15:25 am
That "alternate charge" box, surely its fine 1 and 2 or 3 it is ticked?

Just wondering because I have R500 and R300 and R200 but the box is ticked.


Sorry Kamanya, but this is worse than just a R300 fine :
- Charge no. 1 is for the no SABS - R300
- Charge no. 2 if for displaying a false number plate : No A.G. (Admission of guilt) - ie. you must go to court  :-[

The second charge is not an alternate charge, it is an additional charge......

Sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings ......
Tony
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on April 15, 2009, 10:30:46 am
Holy cow!!

Only saw it now also!!

Was wondering why you only got a R300 fine.

Eish buddy, that is a bad one.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: RobC on April 15, 2009, 10:34:33 am
After my experiences in SA courts I have opted to keep the Air Brake on my KLR thanks... sterkte for you okes that want to tread that path... >:D
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on April 15, 2009, 11:13:21 am
Vat nou my raad. Ek was al in die Hof met n spoed van 221kph in n 120kph zone.

Vind uit WIE die landdros of aanklaer whatever(vergeet altyd wie is wie) daar gaan wees daai dag, die ene wat met jou saak gaan werk.

Gaan voor die tyd en praat met hom/haar, se jy is skuldig en jy wil graag die boete uitsort buite die hof. 99% vd tyd sal jy met hom/haar kan ooreenkom wat die boete gaan wees, jy betaal dit en jy voertsek.

Vermy die binnekant vd hof so ver as wat jy kan!!!! Daar gaan jy af chop! Moet ook nie daai dag NIE opdaag nie. Hulle reik net daar n lasbrief uit en sal joudieselfde middag nog kom haal!

My boete was tussen R25 000 en R45 000. EK het voor die tyd gaan mooi praat, en het weg gekom met net n R4000 boete, ek was nie eers binne in die hof nie.

Vermy die hof, daar wil almal shine vang en van jou n "voorbeeld" maak, jy gaan af chop!!

EK het ook nie n prokureur gevat nie. Ek was alleen daar in en uit........
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Moondog on April 15, 2009, 11:28:09 am
Another choice is to try to talk to the Prosecutor first - plead poverty, stupidity, etc etc - lots of 'Ja meneer, Nee meneer' ..... - This worked in the 'Old SA' - but I fortunately have not had reason to go and do this recently - so I don't know if it still works ????

I suspect that the officer wanted your false number plate for evidence - so he intends to see you in court - as you said, he was P!ssed. Best you avoid meeting him there if at all possible.

Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: BiG DoM on April 15, 2009, 03:49:10 pm
Did your plate just have an extra digit on the end? ... Silly plate makers mistake?  Slip of the finger maybe??? :ricky:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: LuckyStriker on April 15, 2009, 04:02:19 pm
Did your plate just have an extra digit on the end? ... Sill plate makers mistake?  Slip of the finger maybe??? :ricky:

I had one of those plates on an ex-bike...the 6 and the 9 got swopped round. easy mistake for the printer to make (I would claim).
I never received a fine and the cops never checked.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 16, 2009, 08:02:25 am
Did your plate just have an extra digit on the end? ... Sill plate makers mistake?  Slip of the finger maybe??? :ricky:

I had one of those plates on an ex-bike...the 6 and the 9 got swopped round. easy mistake for the printer to make (I would claim).
I never received a fine and the cops never checked.

You can also ad that you recently lost the plate and had a new one made, with the mistake by the printer, and now bolted it on and had to break it off when the cop stopped you.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: shark_za on April 16, 2009, 08:07:02 am
The printer could lose their SABS rating, their name appears on the plate.
But if it does not have the SABS mark and the names on it cant be traced.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: GRIM on April 16, 2009, 10:31:54 am
another way is to get the sabs mark off a legal plate, & find some really unscrupulous plate maker to incorporate it into your new plate..
 >:D
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: LuckyStriker on April 16, 2009, 11:04:54 am
another way is to get the sabs mark off a legal plate, & find some really unscrupulous plate maker to incorporate it into your new plate..
 >:D

my plate is way undersized. the plate maker was kind enough to put a SABS mark on it. As well as a non-existant dealer number
they had no problem making it for me. As far as they are concerned I intend to use the plate as a bar decoration
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Adventurer on April 16, 2009, 05:28:23 pm
Depending where and how I am going to ride I remove my plate.

Since I had a tyre to test at over 180km/h  I removed my plate.

With no plate on I bump into yesterday's Beyers Naude road block at the Cresta Mall enroute to Full Throttle. I simply rode past the metro cop that signalled me to stop, turned left at the next street , right at the following and right into Full Throttles walled parking yard. Browsed around for 30 min and went home.

 8)

B.T.W.........FT is becomming expensive.

Ama, you always have the excuse that you never heard him telling you to stop.... :biggrin:

Out of experience I know the judge would ask..."are you saying that you had no idea what a "stop" hand signal means? :biggrin:

Bt you thought he was just waving 'hello'................ :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: michnus on April 20, 2009, 01:07:36 pm
Still thinking of using flippers and other sizes and what not? This guy's bike was impounded in JHB, and charged with defeating the ends of justice.

http://www.tbforum.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=28324
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 20, 2009, 01:33:51 pm
Still thinking of using flippers and other sizes and what not? This guy's bike was impounded in JHB, and charged with defeating the ends of justice.

http://www.tbforum.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=28324

Have to register to see that. 
I suppose he was caught while using whatever he had.

Normally the device is legal and you can use it on private property (depending on device and reason)
...but using such a device on public roads is seriously illegal.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: michnus on April 20, 2009, 01:36:13 pm
What he said.

Yesterday, 10:52 AM
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So, this morning on my way to a breakfast run, I stop at the garage to meet my friends. They tell me my plate is "up". I look, see that it is , fix it and then proceed for a cup of coffee before we set off.

But before I can get my helmet off I'm surrounded by about 4-5 metro officers who then inspect my plate, and then arrest me for "defeating the ends of justice".

They then ride my bike to the pound (with my helmet nogals!) because getting a trailer would cost me another R3k.

Anyways, 3 hours and lots of paperwork and sitting in smelly holding cells later, I got released on bail.

My bike will be at the impound till tomorrow and I have to appear in court on Tuesday.

Now I've been meaning to "fix" the flipper plate that's been on my bike but never got around to it. Now I really really wish I had.

Anyone know what's the best way to handle this? The metro cop wrote a two page report which I didn't get to see, but I think he also accused me of reckless riding and speeding, cuase he saw me filtering past 1 car to get to the front of the robot before turning into the garage.

Is defeating the ends of justice considered a criminal offence?? Can I not plead guilty to a lesser offence? How does this work?

Quote
Thakns for the advice guys.

Went to pick the bike up this morning. R120 impound fees to pay. Bike seems fine. I enquired about towing and strange enough the fees for towing would have been R395. Not R3000 like the officers told me.... I smell a rat.

Went to see the prosecutor. He seems to think it warrants only a traffic fine and not a court hearing, but said he cannot comment until he has read the officers docket and gets his side of the story. The case is tomorrow and the docket will only be sent to the prosecutor then. So I have to go there tomorrow.

Went to the police station where I was held and they say that I cannot read the docket. So I cannot see what I'm being accused off?? They say it's priviledged and only for my lawers eyes. ??????? I know the officer probably wrote that I was riding wrecklessly etc. Cause just arresting me for the plate would probably seem too trivial? Now he had about 4 other metro cops there who would probably stand witness to his version of events. This is kinda messed up.

Also strange to me is that while I was there in the south, I saw quite a few bikes with no plates. I got to that area 1 day with a semi-legal plate and get arrested.

Hopefully this can all be cleared up tomorrow.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Fugly on April 20, 2009, 01:50:08 pm
Keep us in the loop please uncle Michnus :thumleft:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Kamanya on April 23, 2009, 01:15:25 pm
That "alternate charge" box, surely its fine 1 and 2 or 3 it is ticked?

Just wondering because I have R500 and R300 and R200 but the box is ticked.


Sorry Kamanya, but this is worse than just a R300 fine :
- Charge no. 1 is for the no SABS - R300
- Charge no. 2 if for displaying a false number plate : No A.G. (Admission of guilt) - ie. you must go to court  :-[

The second charge is not an alternate charge, it is an additional charge......

Sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings ......
Tony


Faarrrrk!

Haven’t been following this thread. This is a bit of a fright.

Will have to go talk to the prosecutor sharpish.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: TerrorSA on April 23, 2009, 01:30:59 pm
Keep the plate standard is the answer  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Mzee on April 23, 2009, 01:39:42 pm
Keep the plate standard is the answer  :thumleft:

Never agreed more?
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: JC on May 25, 2009, 07:10:37 pm
That "alternate charge" box, surely its fine 1 and 2 or 3 it is ticked?

Just wondering because I have R500 and R300 and R200 but the box is ticked.


Sorry Kamanya, but this is worse than just a R300 fine :
- Charge no. 1 is for the no SABS - R300
- Charge no. 2 if for displaying a false number plate : No A.G. (Admission of guilt) - ie. you must go to court  :-[

The second charge is not an alternate charge, it is an additional charge......

Sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings ......
Tony


Faarrrrk!

Haven’t been following this thread. This is a bit of a fright.

Will have to go talk to the prosecutor sharpish.


now with the other thread (e.a. judge dread) resurrecting this one:

what was the final outcome?
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Wasp on May 26, 2009, 05:47:23 pm
If you change your digits it's jail-time. Defeating the ends of justice,  and the burden of proof moves to you SINCE THE STATE REST THEIR CASE... JOUR OUNER.  DON'T DO IT!
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Adventurer on May 26, 2009, 06:09:00 pm
Vat nou my raad. Ek was al in die Hof met n spoed van 221kph in n 120kph zone.

Vind uit WIE die landdros of aanklaer whatever(vergeet altyd wie is wie) daar gaan wees daai dag, die ene wat met jou saak gaan werk.

Gaan voor die tyd en praat met hom/haar, se jy is skuldig en jy wil graag die boete uitsort buite die hof. 99% vd tyd sal jy met hom/haar kan ooreenkom wat die boete gaan wees, jy betaal dit en jy voertsek.

Vermy die binnekant vd hof so ver as wat jy kan!!!! Daar gaan jy af chop! Moet ook nie daai dag NIE opdaag nie. Hulle reik net daar n lasbrief uit en sal joudieselfde middag nog kom haal!

My boete was tussen R25 000 en R45 000. EK het voor die tyd gaan mooi praat, en het weg gekom met net n R4000 boete, ek was nie eers binne in die hof nie.

Vermy die hof, daar wil almal shine vang en van jou n "voorbeeld" maak, jy gaan af chop!!

EK het ook nie n prokureur gevat nie. Ek was alleen daar in en uit........

I need this type of advice, I have a notification that a court summons is on the way, I was clocked at 123km/h in an 80km/h zone, farking highway modifications..... >:D
It was Peaches' car, but I was driving....
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on May 26, 2009, 08:59:35 pm
For what it is worth, I spoke to a guy last week, who knows the laws etc, or think he knows, or has a mate who knows, or who else knows mwahahaha.

Anyway, he said that the speed signs up at the moment on the Roadwork sections are RECOMMENDED speeds. Something to do with the colour of the sign board or something, being Yellow and black.

According to him, if you fight the fine, they will let you go.

Not sure about this, so don't qoute me on this  :ricky:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on May 26, 2009, 10:08:14 pm
Vat nou my raad. Ek was al in die Hof met n spoed van 221kph in n 120kph zone.

Vind uit WIE die landdros of aanklaer whatever(vergeet altyd wie is wie) daar gaan wees daai dag, die ene wat met jou saak gaan werk.

Gaan voor die tyd en praat met hom/haar, se jy is skuldig en jy wil graag die boete uitsort buite die hof. 99% vd tyd sal jy met hom/haar kan ooreenkom wat die boete gaan wees, jy betaal dit en jy voertsek.

Vermy die binnekant vd hof so ver as wat jy kan!!!! Daar gaan jy af chop! Moet ook nie daai dag NIE opdaag nie. Hulle reik net daar n lasbrief uit en sal joudieselfde middag nog kom haal!

My boete was tussen R25 000 en R45 000. EK het voor die tyd gaan mooi praat, en het weg gekom met net n R4000 boete, ek was nie eers binne in die hof nie.

Vermy die hof, daar wil almal shine vang en van jou n "voorbeeld" maak, jy gaan af chop!!

EK het ook nie n prokureur gevat nie. Ek was alleen daar in en uit........

I need this type of advice, I have a notification that a court summons is on the way, I was clocked at 123km/h in an 80km/h zone, farking highway modifications..... >:D
It was Peaches' car, but I was driving....

http://www.speedtraps.co.za/forum/index.php
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Skinny on May 27, 2009, 05:50:31 am
http://www.greedfines.co.za/
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: letsgofishing on May 27, 2009, 07:50:52 am
http://www.greedfines.co.za/

Really informative site - tx for posting.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Kamanya on May 27, 2009, 12:41:00 pm
Hmmm.

Ok, went to the Wynberg court, floor 3, court 10...

(http://kamanya.smugmug.com/photos/547437157_nDCix-L.jpg)

40 minutes later after the okes in trouble for that day had been dealt with, us unwashed also-in-troubles filed in.

Didn't take a photo, I'm stupid but not that stupid.

20 others in front of me, more behind, all in trouble to some degree or another.

My turn,

"Hi, I have a fine and a non-admission of guilt for a false number plate. I am guilty as sin and sorry too and want to know what I do now?"

He scribbles something on the fine, stamps it and smiles handing me back the fine,

"You don't want go to court about that second one. That is fraud and the courts don't like it. Play your cards wrong in court and it's two years in jail!"

(http://kamanya.smugmug.com/photos/547437239_Uhscy-L.jpg)


Two days let alone two years in jail is not even worth thinking about! R2500.00 seems fair considering that its been 3 years that I rode like that and who knows what I would have chalked up given how I ride. He gave me half off the R300 for undersized and non-SABS number plate.

"Thanks, cheers"

Off to another queue.

(http://kamanya.smugmug.com/photos/547437156_7fJAu-L.jpg)


Bend over and painfully extract R2650.00.

"Thank you sir"

I am officially not a criminal any more... for now.
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Bakkie on May 27, 2009, 12:45:19 pm
sjoe
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Moondog on May 27, 2009, 01:34:51 pm

I am officially not a criminal any more... for now.


Great news - glad you managed to get through this ordeal with nothing more that a seriously bruised wallet  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: Manic on May 27, 2009, 02:48:34 pm
R2500?? Still better than jail, but hell, ain't it a bit rough?

I got R4000 for doing 221kph in a 120 zone, without nr plate, without licence disc.

Or was I just lucky?
Title: Re: The number plate issue
Post by: hayleyscomet on May 27, 2009, 03:04:50 pm


Jees Boet ,proud of you ,Think me must change me plate A FRIGGEN SAP.

Really do appreciate you taking us with you .