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Title: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: growweblaar on July 22, 2009, 10:37:18 am
I ride a Dakar and I love my bike. I just sometimes wish it was 30kg lighter ;). Which got me thinking: what would my ideal middleweight dual-sport bike look like? I don't believe any manufacturer produces it, and I wonder why, because it's possible...

I'm thinking DRZ400 but with more packing space and longer highway legs; KTM 640 with longer service intervals, less race-readiness and vibrations; XChallenge with more space, better seat and wind protection.

You get the picture.


(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=35310.0;attach=57961;image)

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26556.0;attach=37840;image)

(http://www.advrider.co.za/images/640%202.jpg)


So, let's design it. Let's start with user requirements (sorry, I'm in IT ;D):

Goal: Focused middleweight dual-sport bike for lighter riders (also women ;)) or riders that prefer off-road ability in tight/technical situations above absolute long-distance ability or power/top speed. Should still be able to cover 100s of kilometers on the highway in relative comfort (i.e. adventure touring). Luggage and pillion-carrying ability, but pillion not a prime focus.

- Dry weight (absolute maximum): 150kg
- Fuel capacity: +- 16 litres (350km?)
- Power: 45hp?
- Top speed: 150 km/h?
- Suspension: normal front telesopic fork (USD not required?) and rear mono-shock (no tennis ball!)
  -- Something like the DRZ400, with progressive fork springs
- Brakes: Discs all-round, no ABS
- Frame: Strong, but lightweight ;D
  -- NB: proper subframe capable of carrying luggage, plus the occasional pillion. Not required to carry pillion (especially not luggage + pillion) for extended periods.
- Luggage: strong tail-rack, with mounting points for top-box; optional pannier racks & panniers
- Wheels: spoked; 21 inch front, 17 rear
- Final drive: chain
- Protection (standard):
  -- proper alu bash-plate
  -- proper crash bars
  -- proper hand guards
  -- indicators out of the way
- Wind protection: well-designed medium-height screen
- Seat: streamlined, but comfortable (say halfway between Dakar and X-Challenge ;D)
  -- Pillion-capable, but not a prime focus
- Clocks: 2x analog: speed, rpm; fuel guage; odometer
- Other (standard):
  -- Wide offroad footpegs
  -- Under-seat toolset capable of (at least) a tyre-change
  -- Exhaust that doesn't sound like my Dakar's
 
Engine

I'm no engineer or mechanic, but I wondered whether a 500cc engine wouldn't be ideal. Then, is it completely mad to consider a twin? A v-twin 500 (remember those?)...  8). Why? Well, I thought it might make it much smoother on the highway, no? Or do you lose a lot off-road or in the slow stuff, where low rpm torgue is important? Is a twin necessarily bigger and heavier than a single of the same capacity? The KLE500 has a parallel twin - is that what makes it so heavy?

Think about those twin Akras on a 500 v-twin... ;D

Engine configuration: 500c 4-stroke single-cylinder/v-twin with EFI (no carbs, pls!)
Tuning/Service intervals: With tuning halfway between a KTM and a BMW, service intervals could be 7500km
Gearbox: 6 gears (6th is an overdrive for highway use)

Design

The bike should look sexy. Sort of like the DRZ, but less motocrossy. I quite like the styling of the XCountry. Perhaps someone can do us a Photochop ;)


That should keep you busy for a while ;D. Has anyone got one of these in their garage for me?
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: Go Big on July 22, 2009, 10:41:19 am
So you are looking for a modern day XT 500.
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: growweblaar on July 22, 2009, 10:44:36 am
So you are looking for a modern day XT 500.

I guess so, yes  :thumleft:

Why does no-one produce 500cc DS bikes anymore?
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: Rolf on July 22, 2009, 11:02:42 am
Take a DR-Z with SSW 470cc Stroker kit that makes just shy of 60Hp. Add a large clarke tank, ProMoto billet tailrack, Lynx headlight and fairing and Corbin wide seat and Bob's your uncle.  :thumleft:

Should make for an awesome adventure bike!  :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: MrBig on July 22, 2009, 11:13:59 am
The moment you go EFI everything changes.

I think the XR650R is closer to what you need as a base.
Stock it weighs 138kg and produces 45KW
Even if you do the unthinkable and convert to electric start it'll still weigh well under 150kg
Add a 22l tank; some wind protection and voila.
Cheap to run; cheap to farkle.


Dry weight (absolute maximum): 150kg CHECK
- Fuel capacity: +- 16 litres (350km?) CHECK
- Power: 45hp? CHECK
- Top speed: 150 km/h? CHECK
- Suspension: normal front telesopic fork (USD not required?) and rear mono-shock (no tennis ball!) CHECK
  -- Something like the DRZ400, with progressive fork springs
- Brakes: Discs all-round, no ABS CHECK
- Frame: Strong, but lightweight Grin CHECK
  -- NB: proper subframe capable of carrying luggage, plus the occasional pillion. Not required to carry pillion (especially not luggage + pillion) for extended periods. CHECK
- Luggage: strong tail-rack, with mounting points for top-box; optional pannier racks & panniers CHECK
- Wheels: spoked; 21 inch front, 17 rear CHECK
- Final drive: chain CHECK
- Protection (standard):
  -- proper alu bash-plate CHECK
  -- proper crash bars must add but not necessary for the XR
  -- proper hand guards easy  remedy
  -- indicators out of the way CHECK
- Wind protection: well-designed medium-height screen
- Seat: streamlined, but comfortable (say halfway between Dakar and X-Challenge Grin) nothing that cannot be fixed
  -- Pillion-capable, but not a prime focus
- Clocks: 2x analog: speed, rpm; fuel guage; odometer CHECK ex fuel gauge
- Other (standard):
  -- Wide offroad footpegs CHECK
  -- Under-seat toolset capable of (at least) a tyre-change CHECK
  -- Exhaust that doesn't sound like my Dakar's CHECKCHECK
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: ®©errie on July 22, 2009, 11:29:34 am
The moment you go EFI everything changes.

I think the XR650R is closer to what you need as a base.
Stock it weighs 138kg and produces 45KW
Even if you do the unthinkable and convert to electric start it'll still weigh well under 150kg
Add a 22l tank; some wind protection and voila.
Cheap to run; cheap to farkle.


Dry weight (absolute maximum): 150kg CHECK
- Fuel capacity: +- 16 litres (350km?) CHECK
- Power: 45hp? CHECK
- Top speed: 150 km/h? CHECK
- Suspension: normal front telesopic fork (USD not required?) and rear mono-shock (no tennis ball!) CHECK
  -- Something like the DRZ400, with progressive fork springs
- Brakes: Discs all-round, no ABS CHECK
- Frame: Strong, but lightweight Grin CHECK
  -- NB: proper subframe capable of carrying luggage, plus the occasional pillion. Not required to carry pillion (especially not luggage + pillion) for extended periods. CHECK
- Luggage: strong tail-rack, with mounting points for top-box; optional pannier racks & panniers CHECK
- Wheels: spoked; 21 inch front, 17 rear CHECK
- Final drive: chain CHECK
- Protection (standard):
  -- proper alu bash-plate CHECK
  -- proper crash bars must add but not necessary for the XR
  -- proper hand guards easy  remedy
  -- indicators out of the way CHECK
- Wind protection: well-designed medium-height screen
- Seat: streamlined, but comfortable (say halfway between Dakar and X-Challenge Grin) nothing that cannot be fixed
  -- Pillion-capable, but not a prime focus
- Clocks: 2x analog: speed, rpm; fuel guage; odometer CHECK ex fuel gauge
- Other (standard):
  -- Wide offroad footpegs CHECK
  -- Under-seat toolset capable of (at least) a tyre-change CHECK
  -- Exhaust that doesn't sound like my Dakar's CHECKCHECK



JIP, XR650R is the answer!!!
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: growweblaar on July 22, 2009, 11:33:02 am
Hm, interesting MrBig, rcerrie...

With decent screen and seat, how comfortable is an XR650R on the highway? Does it not shake the botox out of your forehead?

Should I start a "Should I get the XR" thread? ;D
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: growweblaar on July 22, 2009, 11:34:49 am
Take a DR-Z with SSW 470cc Stroker kit that makes just shy of 60Hp. Add a large clarke tank, ProMoto billet tailrack, Lynx headlight and fairing and Corbin wide seat and Bob's your uncle.  :thumleft:

Should make for an awesome adventure bike!  :drif: :drif:

Sounds awesome! How much will all of that cost?
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: Rolf on July 22, 2009, 11:45:13 am
Take a DR-Z with SSW 470cc Stroker kit that makes just shy of 60Hp. Add a large clarke tank, ProMoto billet tailrack, Lynx headlight and fairing and Corbin wide seat and Bob's your uncle.  :thumleft:

Should make for an awesome adventure bike!  :drif: :drif:

Sounds awesome! How much will all of that cost?

Well a great low km 2nd hand E can be had for around R35k which still leaves you with around R20K to spend before you get to the price of a great XR. Topbox sells the Promoto stuff if I remember correctly and Edgy just got a Clarke tank so they'll be able to provide you with a price. Bus should be able to give you an idea of price for the 440 kit - don't think there is anyone in SA with the 470 Stroker  ???

The XR will be an awesome choice too though  ;D :thumleft:

Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: MrBig on July 22, 2009, 11:47:11 am
Hm, interesting MrBig, rcerrie...

With decent screen and seat, how comfortable is an XR650R on the highway? Does it not shake the botox out of your forehead?

Should I start a "Should I get the XR" thread? ;D

No way! (ok maybe a little...  >:D )
The XR is very well balanced.. Much less vibey than a lot of 'modern' singles (think KTM640, KLR650)
A thumper will always have to work hard on the open road - but they CAN do it - just don't expect the comfort or smoothness of a twin.

Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: shark_za on July 22, 2009, 11:57:37 am
I'd say there are no 500 bikes because a 650 motor is about the same size.
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: Herms on July 22, 2009, 12:06:31 pm
http://www.rallytwin.com/

Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: Go Big on July 22, 2009, 12:06:50 pm
But runs under mechanicaly higher stresses :peepwall:
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: mtbbiker on July 22, 2009, 12:21:42 pm
Why do want a 17inch rear wheel (Have changed a tube on one) The 18 inch on a DRZ makes it much easier to change a tube (Or maybe we should go tubeless???) ;D
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: growweblaar on July 22, 2009, 12:28:19 pm
Yep, mtb, I think maybe you're right: 18in rear :thumleft:


Herms, that Rally Twin thing is AWESOME :o :o. I want one now! It's a 500cc twin :hello2:. With Ohlins suspension, KTM hubs and Excel rims. Wooooooooooooo! :headbang:

(http://www.rallytwin.com/gallery/28.jpg)

Some extracts:

Then it started growing in us. A twin-cylinder dirt bike. Something with enough power to do anything the XL600 would do, but with top notch suspension, no vibration, roomier ergonomics. And it had to be immensely durable and reliable, just like a full on enduro bike.

...

One day in the early summer of 2000, we were testing the Rally Twin at the local MX track. We had the bike wired up with strain-gages feeding an 8 channel data recorder, so we could calculate the stress on the frame during extreme g-outs and bottom out/case-out conditions. We brought the XT350 along as a comparison, since it is pretty versatile as a dual sport, and a relatively light, flickable bike on the track as far as dual sports go. We were pleasantly surprised to see the Rally Twin absolutely trounce the XT350 in every possible situation. It jumped better, it was faster on every part of the track, inspiring confidence when the XT inspired fear. In fact, it handled some sections of the track better than my KTM 550. We were even more impressed to find we could keep up with the MX bikes, unless they had numbers on them. Not your average dual sport!

...

Sales: Currently our hand built Rally Twins are the only two in the world.

We are considering a small production run of ten or so Rally Twins. We are estimating the MSRP would be $68,000 with a lead time of about 12 months. If you'd like your name put on the list, just drop us a line.


 :eek7:
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: RedWolf on July 22, 2009, 12:50:17 pm
Take a DR-Z with SSW 470cc Stroker kit that makes just shy of 60Hp. Add a large clarke tank, ProMoto billet tailrack, Lynx headlight and fairing and Corbin wide seat and Bob's your uncle.  :thumleft:

Should make for an awesome adventure bike!  :drif: :drif:

Sounds awesome! How much will all of that cost?

Well a great low km 2nd hand E can be had for around R35k which still leaves you with around R20K to spend before you get to the price of a great XR. Topbox sells the Promoto stuff if I remember correctly and Edgy just got a Clarke tank so they'll be able to provide you with a price. Bus should be able to give you an idea of price for the 440 kit - don't think there is anyone in SA with the 470 Stroker  ???


The XR will be an awesome choice too though  ;D :thumleft:


Buy my XR for R42500, only R7500 more than a good E model DRZ
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: RedWolf on July 22, 2009, 12:52:17 pm
Hm, interesting MrBig, rcerrie...

With decent screen and seat, how comfortable is an XR650R on the highway? Does it not shake the botox out of your forehead?

Should I start a "Should I get the XR" thread? ;D

I commuted with mine for a month (260km per day) and all went well. No real head shake, but can doe with a better seat. I only changed the sprockets from 14/48 to 15/45, but is is back on 14/48.... >:D
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: growweblaar on July 22, 2009, 01:01:11 pm
What's the diff between the XR650R and the L?

Also, does the R have a proper subframe for carrying stuff?
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: MrBig on July 22, 2009, 01:11:38 pm

Quote
What's the diff between the XR650R and the L?

The L was only made between 93 and 97 so quite old
It's 10kg heavier than the current R which is mainly due to the electric starter and battery.
The suspension is more like the XR600 (43mm vs 46mm shock, less travel; on the rear it's almost 30mm difference)


Quote
Also, does the R have a proper subframe for carrying stuff?

Yes - there's plenty options available for rear racks and the like
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: letsgofishing on July 22, 2009, 02:34:02 pm
The moment you go EFI everything changes.

I think the XR650R is closer to what you need as a base.
Stock it weighs 138kg and produces 45KW
Even if you do the unthinkable and convert to electric start it'll still weigh well under 150kg
Add a 22l tank; some wind protection and voila.
Cheap to run; cheap to farkle.


Dry weight (absolute maximum): 150kg CHECK
- Fuel capacity: +- 16 litres (350km?) CHECK
- Power: 45hp? CHECK
- Top speed: 150 km/h? CHECK
- Suspension: normal front telesopic fork (USD not required?) and rear mono-shock (no tennis ball!) CHECK
  -- Something like the DRZ400, with progressive fork springs
- Brakes: Discs all-round, no ABS CHECK
- Frame: Strong, but lightweight Grin CHECK
  -- NB: proper subframe capable of carrying luggage, plus the occasional pillion. Not required to carry pillion (especially not luggage + pillion) for extended periods. CHECK
- Luggage: strong tail-rack, with mounting points for top-box; optional pannier racks & panniers CHECK
- Wheels: spoked; 21 inch front, 17 rear CHECK
- Final drive: chain CHECK
- Protection (standard):
  -- proper alu bash-plate CHECK
  -- proper crash bars must add but not necessary for the XR
  -- proper hand guards easy  remedy
  -- indicators out of the way CHECK
- Wind protection: well-designed medium-height screen
- Seat: streamlined, but comfortable (say halfway between Dakar and X-Challenge Grin) nothing that cannot be fixed
  -- Pillion-capable, but not a prime focus
- Clocks: 2x analog: speed, rpm; fuel guage; odometer CHECK ex fuel gauge
- Other (standard):
  -- Wide offroad footpegs CHECK
  -- Under-seat toolset capable of (at least) a tyre-change CHECK
  -- Exhaust that doesn't sound like my Dakar's CHECKCHECK


Is that rear wheel HP - I thought it put out more than that?
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: RedWolf on July 22, 2009, 02:47:18 pm
The moment you go EFI everything changes.

I think the XR650R is closer to what you need as a base.
Stock it weighs 138kg and produces 45KW
Even if you do the unthinkable and convert to electric start it'll still weigh well under 150kg
Add a 22l tank; some wind protection and voila.
Cheap to run; cheap to farkle.


Dry weight (absolute maximum): 150kg CHECK
- Fuel capacity: +- 16 litres (350km?) CHECK
- Power: 45hp? CHECK
- Top speed: 150 km/h? CHECK
- Suspension: normal front telesopic fork (USD not required?) and rear mono-shock (no tennis ball!) CHECK
  -- Something like the DRZ400, with progressive fork springs
- Brakes: Discs all-round, no ABS CHECK
- Frame: Strong, but lightweight Grin CHECK
  -- NB: proper subframe capable of carrying luggage, plus the occasional pillion. Not required to carry pillion (especially not luggage + pillion) for extended periods. CHECK
- Luggage: strong tail-rack, with mounting points for top-box; optional pannier racks & panniers CHECK
- Wheels: spoked; 21 inch front, 17 rear CHECK
- Final drive: chain CHECK
- Protection (standard):
  -- proper alu bash-plate CHECK
  -- proper crash bars must add but not necessary for the XR
  -- proper hand guards easy  remedy
  -- indicators out of the way CHECK
- Wind protection: well-designed medium-height screen
- Seat: streamlined, but comfortable (say halfway between Dakar and X-Challenge Grin) nothing that cannot be fixed
  -- Pillion-capable, but not a prime focus
- Clocks: 2x analog: speed, rpm; fuel guage; odometer CHECK ex fuel gauge
- Other (standard):
  -- Wide offroad footpegs CHECK
  -- Under-seat toolset capable of (at least) a tyre-change CHECK
  -- Exhaust that doesn't sound like my Dakar's CHECKCHECK


Is that rear wheel HP - I thought it put out more than that?
That's kilowatts, dont know the exact hp, probably around 56 hp
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: RedWolf on July 22, 2009, 02:48:55 pm

Quote
What's the diff between the XR650R and the L?

The L was only made between 93 and 97 so quite old
It's 10kg heavier than the current R which is mainly due to the electric starter and battery.
The suspension is more like the XR600 (43mm vs 46mm shock, less travel; on the rear it's almost 30mm difference)


Quote
Also, does the R have a proper subframe for carrying stuff?

Yes - there's plenty options available for rear racks and the like


The R has proably twice the power of the L.... >:D
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: growweblaar on July 22, 2009, 02:49:28 pm
Service intervals?
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: letsgofishing on July 22, 2009, 02:50:07 pm
Without getting into a XR/DRZ debate, my ideal DS bike would be a 450DRZ with a 6-spd gearbox. It shouldn't be too difficult to make the current RM-Z450 more "reliable" - (longer service intervals) - it currently puts out around 56hp.
The DRZ400 checks all your requirement boxes except the following:

tank size
bash plate
hand guards (what bike has proper ones fitted anyway?)
screen (ditto)
seat (re-upholster)
fuel guage
under-seat toolset (put a tool roll in your tank bag)

Cost of the above: R5k or less
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: letsgofishing on July 22, 2009, 02:51:47 pm
The moment you go EFI everything changes.

I think the XR650R is closer to what you need as a base.
Stock it weighs 138kg and produces 45KW
Even if you do the unthinkable and convert to electric start it'll still weigh well under 150kg
Add a 22l tank; some wind protection and voila.
Cheap to run; cheap to farkle.


Dry weight (absolute maximum): 150kg CHECK
- Fuel capacity: +- 16 litres (350km?) CHECK
- Power: 45hp? CHECK
- Top speed: 150 km/h? CHECK
- Suspension: normal front telesopic fork (USD not required?) and rear mono-shock (no tennis ball!) CHECK
  -- Something like the DRZ400, with progressive fork springs
- Brakes: Discs all-round, no ABS CHECK
- Frame: Strong, but lightweight Grin CHECK
  -- NB: proper subframe capable of carrying luggage, plus the occasional pillion. Not required to carry pillion (especially not luggage + pillion) for extended periods. CHECK
- Luggage: strong tail-rack, with mounting points for top-box; optional pannier racks & panniers CHECK
- Wheels: spoked; 21 inch front, 17 rear CHECK
- Final drive: chain CHECK
- Protection (standard):
  -- proper alu bash-plate CHECK
  -- proper crash bars must add but not necessary for the XR
  -- proper hand guards easy  remedy
  -- indicators out of the way CHECK
- Wind protection: well-designed medium-height screen
- Seat: streamlined, but comfortable (say halfway between Dakar and X-Challenge Grin) nothing that cannot be fixed
  -- Pillion-capable, but not a prime focus
- Clocks: 2x analog: speed, rpm; fuel guage; odometer CHECK ex fuel gauge
- Other (standard):
  -- Wide offroad footpegs CHECK
  -- Under-seat toolset capable of (at least) a tyre-change CHECK
  -- Exhaust that doesn't sound like my Dakar's CHECKCHECK


Is that rear wheel HP - I thought it put out more than that?
That's kilowatts, dont know the exact hp, probably around 56 hp

Sorry, can't find my glasses! ;D
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: RedWolf on July 22, 2009, 02:54:59 pm
The R is a desert racing machine and is water cooled, has won the Baja 1000 several times... The L is the dual purpose version and is air cooled. The service interval on the R is depending on how hard you ride it. I change oil and oil filter every 1500km, +- R250. But I know of guys who change every 6000km, so it depends. I feel more comfortable with changing more often, doesn't cost a lot of money,... so why not? Only other thing to service is the air filter, I clean and lube after every ride (maybe every second ride, depending on the conditions)
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: MrBig on July 22, 2009, 03:07:51 pm
The moment you go EFI everything changes.

I think the XR650R is closer to what you need as a base.
Stock it weighs 138kg and produces 45KW
Even if you do the unthinkable and convert to electric start it'll still weigh well under 150kg
Add a 22l tank; some wind protection and voila.
Cheap to run; cheap to farkle.


Dry weight (absolute maximum): 150kg CHECK
- Fuel capacity: +- 16 litres (350km?) CHECK
- Power: 45hp? CHECK
- Top speed: 150 km/h? CHECK
- Suspension: normal front telesopic fork (USD not required?) and rear mono-shock (no tennis ball!) CHECK
  -- Something like the DRZ400, with progressive fork springs
- Brakes: Discs all-round, no ABS CHECK
- Frame: Strong, but lightweight Grin CHECK
  -- NB: proper subframe capable of carrying luggage, plus the occasional pillion. Not required to carry pillion (especially not luggage + pillion) for extended periods. CHECK
- Luggage: strong tail-rack, with mounting points for top-box; optional pannier racks & panniers CHECK
- Wheels: spoked; 21 inch front, 17 rear CHECK
- Final drive: chain CHECK
- Protection (standard):
  -- proper alu bash-plate CHECK
  -- proper crash bars must add but not necessary for the XR
  -- proper hand guards easy  remedy
  -- indicators out of the way CHECK
- Wind protection: well-designed medium-height screen
- Seat: streamlined, but comfortable (say halfway between Dakar and X-Challenge Grin) nothing that cannot be fixed
  -- Pillion-capable, but not a prime focus
- Clocks: 2x analog: speed, rpm; fuel guage; odometer CHECK ex fuel gauge
- Other (standard):
  -- Wide offroad footpegs CHECK
  -- Under-seat toolset capable of (at least) a tyre-change CHECK
  -- Exhaust that doesn't sound like my Dakar's CHECKCHECK


Is that rear wheel HP - I thought it put out more than that?
That's kilowatts, dont know the exact hp, probably around 56 hp

Sorry, can't find my glasses! ;D

It's 60.35 HP and as far as I know the R is the same.

Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: Goose on July 22, 2009, 03:09:17 pm
So you are looking for a modern day XT 500.

 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: Bus on July 22, 2009, 03:17:09 pm
It's 60.35 HP and as far as I know the R is the same.

That's HP at the crank though... And def not the L...

Rear wheel HP is more in the 52-55HP region for uncorked R...

The clincher on the XR is the torque though...

I will take torque over HP any day...  :thumleft:
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: Rolf on July 22, 2009, 03:26:15 pm
The R is a desert racing machine and is water cooled, has won the Baja 1000 several times... The L is the dual purpose version and is air cooled. The service interval on the R is depending on how hard you ride it. I change oil and oil filter every 1500km, +- R250. But I know of guys who change every 6000km, so it depends. I feel more comfortable with changing more often, doesn't cost a lot of money,... so why not? Only other thing to service is the air filter, I clean and lube after every ride (maybe every second ride, depending on the conditions)

Thats the other advantage of the DRZ - Suzuki oil filter costs R70  :thumleft:
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: RedWolf on July 22, 2009, 06:10:54 pm
oil filter on the xr is R80 and oil the rest...
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: growweblaar on July 22, 2009, 06:54:34 pm
What is the service interval on the DRZ?
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: mtbbiker on July 23, 2009, 08:23:29 am
DRZ Books says every 6000km, I change oil and filters every 3000km
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: Rolf on July 23, 2009, 10:21:16 am
oil filter on the xr is R80 and oil the rest...

From the service intervals and filter prices it seems the DR-Z and XR has very similar running costs.  :thumleft: I expected the XR to be much more expensive.
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: Beserker on July 24, 2009, 11:50:59 am

With decent screen and seat, how comfortable is an XR650R on the highway? Does it not shake the botox out of your forehead?


Less vibration than a KTM640...
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: Beserker on July 24, 2009, 11:54:48 am
Yep, mtb, I think maybe you're right: 18in rear :thumleft:


Herms, that Rally Twin thing is AWESOME :o :o. I want one now! It's a 500cc twin :hello2:. With Ohlins suspension, KTM hubs and Excel rims. Wooooooooooooo! :headbang:



Have you seen the price?  You can get an XR650, a Hilux for the luggage, and have some spare to finance a trip.. :deal:
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: Beserker on July 24, 2009, 11:57:32 am

It's 60.35 HP and as far as I know the R is the same.



Whoa...Dynoed, uncorked etc..it makes 52 hp...on the rear wheel, which should translate to the above @ crank
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: Beserker on July 24, 2009, 12:00:07 pm
It's 60.35 HP and as far as I know the R is the same.
I will take torque over HP any day...  :thumleft:

Me and StrokeHer had ours dynoed on the same day...the XR makes as much torque at idle as the DR at top...StrokeHer has subsequently upgraded to Red.
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: growweblaar on July 24, 2009, 12:44:41 pm
(http://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2008/03/02/bikepics-1202314-full.jpg)

 :drif:
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: Beserker on July 24, 2009, 01:01:32 pm
Or....
Title: Re: My ideal middleweight DS bike ("DRZ500"?)
Post by: bonova on July 24, 2009, 01:21:37 pm
(http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n374/bonovalimbus/P7190001.jpg)

 :biggrin:
I didn't go through the check list, but don't bother ticking the comfy seat box!