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Title: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: daviecrocket on September 28, 2009, 09:35:58 pm
I recently spent a weekend in kosi bay at what seemed like a delightful little place called thobeka lodge. It’s a stunningly set up and well put together place with a nice atmosphere “when the owner isn’t around” however what we experienced was nothing like we expected. What happened was we didn’t have a 4x4 so instead of paying the ridiculous prices to get a lift to the beach we decided to walk; it was a nice 25 minute walk. When we got back that day we where asked by a nice group tourists who where also staying at thobeka how the walk was so we told them that it was a nice walk and was definitely worth it. The next day I was called into the owners office and asked to leave before our stay their was finished. The reason we were given was that we had lost the owner R450 because the people were no longer getting a lift from the owner, and that the R75 that we paid each night wasn’t worth the risk of letting us stay their, we were then told by the owner that he didn’t like having south Africans at his lodge “which was funny since more than half the people staying at his south African based lodge where from south Africa” I am not sure why he doesn’t like having south Africans their but I suspect it is because it is harder to rip them off. I encourage everybody to go visit this wonderful area but unfortunately I can’t recommend thobeka lodge because of the sour taste it has left in my mouth.
Title: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: daviecrocket on September 28, 2009, 09:38:49 pm
I recently spent a weekend in kosi bay at what seemed like a delightful little place called thobeka lodge. It’s a stunningly set up and well put together place with a nice atmosphere “when the owner isn’t around” however what we experienced was nothing like we expected. What happened was we didn’t have a 4x4 so instead of paying the ridiculous prices to get a lift to the beach we decided to walk; it was a nice 25 minute walk. When we got back that day we where asked by a nice group tourists who where also staying at thobeka how the walk was so we told them that it was a nice walk and was definitely worth it. The next day I was called into the owners office and asked to leave before our stay their was finished. The reason we were given was that we had lost the owner R450 because the people were no longer getting a lift from the owner, and that the R75 that we paid each night wasn’t worth the risk of letting us stay their, we were then told by the owner that he didn’t like having south Africans at his lodge “which was funny since more than half the people staying at his south African based lodge where from south Africa” I am not sure why he doesn’t like having south Africans their but I suspect it is because it is harder to rip them off. I encourage everybody to go visit this wonderful area but unfortunately I can’t recommend thobeka lodge because of the sour taste it has left in my mouth.
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Gypsybaron on September 28, 2009, 09:50:51 pm
Good point you have there : Tour operators and their like tend to cater for foreigners and not locals, thus the exorbitant prices. We South Africans are a more do-it-yourself type of person, and we tend to take more initiative / risk (depending on your point of view). I hope you got a refund for the remaining days' stay  :patch:
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: chicco on September 29, 2009, 10:58:03 am
I think you have it wrong, the R450 is for a tour or an excursion. its not just a drop on drop off pay R450.......I know Mike well and I dont believe he would ask you to leave without a very good reason.
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Uiltjie on September 29, 2009, 11:10:22 am
The Internet can be cruel......
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: daviecrocket on September 29, 2009, 10:03:02 pm
everything was realy nice, it was a stunning place. and i think that was just the excuse he used for kicking us out. we made friends with every one their and their was an incident around the fire where i didnt follow his instructions on how to do my own braai and in the process i think i undermined his caveman like domanince and made fun of him infront of our new friends and his guests and he just couldnt handle that. he just has littleman syndrome.
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: DirtRebell on September 29, 2009, 10:07:42 pm
Unbelievable...
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 29, 2009, 10:10:30 pm
What an idjit, I´ll be sure to warn others if I hear of them going to Kosi.

Perhaps you should send them a mail with the link to this page ;D It worked very well for me when I had a similar problem with Cytec in Gauteng.
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: daviecrocket on September 29, 2009, 10:16:50 pm
ok i can tell the entire story if you have time to listen. the same day we so called lost him the R450 we had a braai with the german tourists and around the fire i was trying to take the grill off and mike told me i must use the tongs so i said no its fine i can handle it "im a farmer" which he didnt seem to like because i had undermined him. then later i didnt use the can opener the way he wanted me to and once again undermined him infront of his guests he then got angry with me. the next day i was called into his office where i thought he was going to appologise for the night before but to my surprise he asked us to leave, this is where he told me that he doesnt realy like having south africans at his lodge and prefers the tourists. he also said that we had lost him money and he had more tourists coming into the lodge and he couldnt take the risk of us being their any longer. i was real confused because we had made great friends with everybody their and that was the most dissapointing part. at least we got to spend the day on the beach with all of them.
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: daviecrocket on September 29, 2009, 10:20:25 pm
i dont think the R75 was alot its his tours that are a rippoff.
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Gypsybaron on September 29, 2009, 10:23:03 pm
Or maybe he is not very fond of bikers.....
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: daviecrocket on September 29, 2009, 10:37:05 pm
um... im embarrassed to say it was a fishing trip so we where in a car :peepwall:
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: DirtRebell on September 29, 2009, 10:38:18 pm
Why are there 2 freds about this?
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: daviecrocket on September 29, 2009, 10:40:00 pm
im new so still trying to work every thing out here
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Williaby on September 29, 2009, 10:41:55 pm
Dont see what DC has to gain by lying and why would he make up such a story in the first place?
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Operator on September 29, 2009, 10:43:32 pm
Every story has got 2 sides..................I would love also to hear the story from
the proprieter's viewpoint   :peepwall:
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: daviecrocket on September 29, 2009, 10:45:42 pm
ja this is just my oppinion hey maybe him and i just have a different set of morals
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Manic on September 29, 2009, 10:50:23 pm
En toe? Toe hy jou vra om te loop toe loop jy?

Waar het jy toe gaan bly of het jy huis toe gekom?
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: daviecrocket on September 29, 2009, 10:59:16 pm
we went to another place called utshwayelo camp http://www.kosi-bay.co.za/ which was closer to the beach and ended up being better. this is a stunning place and very well situated
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Gypsybaron on September 29, 2009, 11:14:21 pm
um... im embarrassed to say it was a fishing trip so we where in a car :peepwall:

No need to feel embarassed - sometimes we need to take a break from breaking bones during our holidays  :pot:
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: TerrorSA on September 30, 2009, 07:01:29 am
Wot an arse!
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: chicco on September 30, 2009, 07:53:52 am
Conservative bunny hugger meets skrik vir niks XT rider in front of a foreign audience…..main ingredient for a personality crash.
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: mad mike on September 30, 2009, 03:42:43 pm


I think it may be a good idea to hear this story from the horses mouth.
Three nice young guys arrived at my lodge in Kosi for 3 days of camping,
one of them was wearing a WWJD bracelet(What Would Jesus Do) and I thought
we would all have a good time.
The first evening I was too busy, so didn't see much of them. The second evening
I made a fire and the guys were standing around having a braai (barbecue).
DC decided to remove the grill with his hands and I tried to encourage him
to use something else, as I am responsible for his safety while he is on my property,
but he ignored me and continued what he was doing.
A little while later he returned with a can of something and a can opener that wasn't
working, so I tried to help him and was unable to open the can, to which he made a snide
remark and started giving me evil stares. I encouraged him to give this up in a firm
but not disrespectful way, but he continued trying to stare me down the whole evening,
creating an unpleasant atmosphere. I eventually excused myself and joined some other guests.

The same evening a group of guests approached me and told me that he had encouraged
them not to use my excursion to Kosi mouth and the fish traps, but instead to do it on their
own. This is part of my business and why I can afford to have campers staying at my place
for R75 per night and cheap accommodation starting from R95 for backpackers.
The excursions give mostly foreign guests an insight into the Kosi area as well as a guided
drive into the park taking in various view sights and the fish traps before they are taken
sandboarding and then snorkelling, they are left there for about 6 hours and then collected and taken
back to the lodge, and all of this for the grand sum of R150 per person.

To date I have not had anyone complain about this because they realise that they are getting value for money
and they can have things like permits and equipment all included in a no fuss service.
I am sorry that DC has misunderstood me and I must reiterate that his comment about South Africans
is unfounded, I did indeed say that I have never had this kind of issue with foreign guests, but occassionally
if there has been trouble in the camp it has been locals who have contributed towards it.

And to the chap who thinks I am conservative and a bunny hugger, I would like to invite you or anyone
else to spend a weekend at Thobeka at a discounted rate to come and see for yourself and not be too hasty
to take the word of someone who was angered because he felt hard done by, and for this DC I am sincerely
sorry.
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: chicco on September 30, 2009, 03:55:50 pm
It was said tongue in the cheek...the bunny hugger thing, ...but I might take you up on the deal. :thumleft:
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: buzzlightyear on September 30, 2009, 03:57:27 pm
Another story with 2 sides and the truth somewhere inbetween.  :-\
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Williaby on September 30, 2009, 04:03:36 pm
Sounds about right. Why can't we all just get along....
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Operator on September 30, 2009, 04:04:15 pm
Every story has got 2 sides..................I would love also to hear the story from
the proprieter's viewpoint   :peepwall:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=38493.msg748415#msg748415 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=38493.msg748415#msg748415)


 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Williaby on September 30, 2009, 04:21:32 pm
Don't you just love the interweb  :)
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: daviecrocket on September 30, 2009, 05:14:43 pm
hey mike i accept your appology. and must admit that at the time i was writing that i was still very angry and hurt. i actualy came here to delete my posts when i saw all the interest. i have already deleted all 17 posts on other websites. i will still not be back and still have a sour taste in my mouth but i realise its not my place to try make your lodge go under and if others get treated they we where im sure you will do that all on your own.


 O0 thats how my hair looks

i think it must have been quite a personality clash.

i think ill just laugh it off and pretend i didnt hear that comment about the wwjd bangle.
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Manic on September 30, 2009, 05:32:32 pm
Ok, so the two sides have been explained.

I still just feel that asking the man to leave was not good at all. I mean afterall, if he wanted to move the wood in the fire with his hands it is his problem. You must have a "Enter at own risk" sign or something.

If I go to a place, and the owner tells me what to do and what not to do, I will leave on my own.

We have enough people telling us everyday what to do and what not to do, I don't need that when I'm on Holiday.

I can handle everything, but the fact that the man was told to leave, that is not on.

Just look at what the Internet did now, WAY MORE harm than the money you lost/wouldv'e lost if the people walked by themselves that weekend to the beach.
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: scrumpyjack on September 30, 2009, 05:35:11 pm
You guys should have just gooied on the spandex and had a good wrestle  :mwink:
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: JonW on September 30, 2009, 05:43:50 pm
So Mike does not deny asking dc to leave his resort, but rather accuses him of giving him "evil stares" as well as "staring him down" ?

What a fucking joke.

I think I will avoid your spot thanks.

Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Hondsekierie on September 30, 2009, 06:16:15 pm
So Mike does not deny asking dc to leave his resort, but rather accuses him of giving him "evil stares" as well as "staring him down" ?

What a fucking joke.

I think I will avoid your spot thanks.



Agree.  Infuckincredible  :imaposer:
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Gypsybaron on September 30, 2009, 11:53:34 pm
Ja Boet, this prove one thing once again......

There are 3 sides to a story: Your side  :argue: My side, and the truth
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 01, 2009, 03:22:24 am
Can the mods move this somewhere else please? Hardly for the international section ??
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Horsepower on October 03, 2009, 03:44:19 pm
Can the mods move this somewhere else please? Hardly for the international section ??

+1
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: pittbull on October 05, 2009, 05:07:26 pm
So Mike does not deny asking dc to leave his resort, but rather accuses him of giving him "evil stares" as well as "staring him down" ?

What a fucking joke.

I think I will avoid your spot thanks.




+1
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: michnus on October 05, 2009, 05:33:30 pm
these topics are merged.
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Mother on October 05, 2009, 06:36:35 pm
So Mike does not deny asking dc to leave his resort, but rather accuses him of giving him "evil stares" as well as "staring him down" ?

What a fucking joke.

I think I will avoid your spot thanks.


sounds good to me .....owner sounds like a dick to me and kinda reminds me of the hospitality at kunene river lodge who will also never see me again


+1
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: Mother on October 05, 2009, 06:37:41 pm
So Mike does not deny asking dc to leave his resort, but rather accuses him of giving him "evil stares" as well as "staring him down" ?

What a fucking joke.

I think I will avoid your spot thanks.


sounds good to me .....owner sounds like a dick to me and kinda reminds me of the hospitality at kunene river lodge who will also never see me again


+1
yip agree
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: chicco on October 06, 2009, 08:40:28 pm
come on DC, show us your stare. :eek7:
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: daviecrocket on October 06, 2009, 08:52:50 pm
haha if i had a pair of evil eyes they would have to be ones that i can take out my pocket. any one who knows me will know that their isnt a serios bone in my body. it was actualy my bewilded look and me chuckling to myself at the size of the man infront of me.  ??? thats how it looked
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: QuicksilverE on October 07, 2009, 04:21:59 pm
The power of an unhappy customer is much bigger than one thinks. The customer is also always right. Rather make the effort to win the customer over while they are at your facility - once they have left in an unhappy state you can't do any more damage control.

Sorry Mike, but this incident is going to cost you some local support.
Title: Re: where not to stay in kosi bay
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 08, 2009, 01:52:29 am
The power of an unhappy customer is much bigger than one thinks. The customer is also always right. Rather make the effort to win the customer over while they are at your facility - once they have left in an unhappy state you can't do any more damage control.

Sorry Mike, but this incident is going to cost you some local support.

+1

Anyone who reads this apart from a perhaps the odd hotel operator or maybe some or other service provider  :peepwall:


is going to support the client.....