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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => Suzuki DR & DRZ => Topic started by: Bus on October 01, 2009, 01:35:21 pm

Title: DRZ 400 Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 01, 2009, 01:35:21 pm
So mine are buggered, not very bad yet, but a pain in the arse when doing slow manuevres or filtering...

Just spoke to Suzuki, almost R500 each, and I need 2!!!

This seems a bit ridiculous :eek:

Or is that what these things cost?

I know the Dakars are infamous for chowing these bearings, what do you guys pay for them?

Is there another alternative?

Thanks
Bus
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: DirtRebell on October 01, 2009, 01:41:14 pm
How do you know when they're done?
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 01, 2009, 01:48:45 pm
Handlebars dont turn as easily as it should.

The bearing gets "notches" in it and it takes a bit of effort to turn the handlebar through these notches...

Therefore, little inputs to the handlebars dont make the bike respond as expected, which means you dont end up going where you want to... Or you end up turning too sharp when you try and compensate for the binding of the bearing...

And this is on tar... Its much worse off road. Did an off road trip last w-end and didnt enjoy the dirt corners at all...
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: DirtRebell on October 01, 2009, 01:51:20 pm
Thanks. Had to ask cos mine seems okay but the last to days when I get on the bike for 1st time in the morning and with the very first movement on the steer it feeld like its slightly stuck.

Will just keep an eye for now.
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: EtienneXplore on October 01, 2009, 02:04:34 pm


I know the Dakars are infamous for chowing these bearings, what do you guys pay for them?


Will be watching this thread, as my normal 650GS's is also on the way out.

Runner/AMX - how much moola are talking about for a DRZ and a GS?

 ???
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: the_BOBNOB on October 01, 2009, 02:14:00 pm
the bmw bearings you can get both from bearing man for under R500 for both

should be able to get it cheaper if you shop around

Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 01, 2009, 02:16:24 pm
Aaaahhhh, thats the shit that Im looking for...

But what about the "races"? Is that all part of the bearing? Or is that a seperate part?
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: N[]vA on October 01, 2009, 02:19:28 pm
Aaaahhhh, thats the shit that Im looking for...

But what about the "races"? Is that all part of the bearing? Or is that a seperate part?
plz lemme know when you get sorted, I wanna keep some spares around for mine
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: the_BOBNOB on October 01, 2009, 02:23:49 pm
for the bmw f650gs you can get a full set for $39 on ebay

which is about R300 - without shipping
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 01, 2009, 02:26:21 pm
So is the "race" the ring-part that the actual rollers run on?
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: the_BOBNOB on October 01, 2009, 02:26:38 pm
DRZ400 bearings (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Suzuki-DRZ400-DR-Z-400-00-07-Steering-Stem-Bearings-Kit_W0QQitemZ180412180519QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2a01676827&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245)
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Gavin on October 01, 2009, 02:28:03 pm
Take a sample to your local bearing shop, I would however stay away from the cheap Chinese brands as they donít last nearly as long as a good SKF type bearing. I learned the hard way .
The bottom one is a bitch to get off , cut it off with a dremmel tool
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 01, 2009, 02:29:35 pm
DRZ400 bearings (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Suzuki-DRZ400-DR-Z-400-00-07-Steering-Stem-Bearings-Kit_W0QQitemZ180412180519QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2a01676827&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245)

What a fucking rip-off!!!

I see tha the bearings for the DRZ are 30x52x16 bearings...

Is this a standard bearing?
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: the_BOBNOB on October 01, 2009, 02:33:28 pm
DRZ400 bearings (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Suzuki-DRZ400-DR-Z-400-00-07-Steering-Stem-Bearings-Kit_W0QQitemZ180412180519QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2a01676827&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245)

What a fucking rip-off!!!

I see tha the bearings for the DRZ are 30x52x16 bearings...

Is this a standard bearing?

$25 and world wide shipping $9

make a group buy for western cape dogs and buy a bunch - will work out much cheaper  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 01, 2009, 02:47:34 pm
OK, now this is fucked up!!!

Just spoke to Bearing Man and another bearing company...

They dont do that size, 30x52x16 taper roller bearing...

But here's the clincher... The closest size they have is 30x55x16 (bigger, FFS!!!!) for a staggering.... wait for it.... R70!!!!!

WTF!!!!!  >:(

So who is in for a group buy on Ebay?  :xxbah:
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Etienne2T on October 01, 2009, 03:02:37 pm
Steel die bearings uit hylton se bike...dis nie asof hy die bike ry nie :pot:
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Gina on October 01, 2009, 03:05:00 pm
Bus praat met Lecap of kyk op Vstrom threat bladsy 57 en 58 waar die probleem aangespreek word
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 01, 2009, 03:14:19 pm
Steel die bearings uit hylton se bike...dis nie asof hy die bike ry nie :pot:

S'true...

Bus praat met Lecap of kyk op Vstrom threat bladsy 57 en 58 waar die probleem aangespreek word

Dankie Gina, sal maar met die guru moet vergader...  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: KTM BIGGER on October 01, 2009, 08:49:35 pm
Canoe het mos nie bearings noodig nie of hoe?
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Dakarboy on October 01, 2009, 11:36:44 pm
My Dakkie is also due some new neck bearings. I would like to buy them and do it myself tomorrow (before going to atlantis on Saturday). Is this reasonable i.e would I be able to do it, or would I need special tools. At Cecil Penny Racing in Gardens in CT I can get them fitted for 500 odd but only in 2 weeks :(

If anyone has attemped to do this yourself please let me know. Thanks honde.
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: lecap on October 02, 2009, 12:40:18 am
I can do the Dakkie but only end of next week. Roughly R 800 parts and labour.

The DRZ bearing is not only non standard size but it also has a rubber seal (something al those F650GS / GSDakar owners wish they had).
If you buy the flea-bay cheapos they will be fubar after washing the bike three times.

Not nice to cut stering head bearing inner races off. (Almost impossible not to cut into the stem tube) Better rip the cage and rollers off and macweld a piece of square tube over the stem tube and onto the race and then put square tube in vice and tap triple clamp and stem tube out with mallet.
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 02, 2009, 08:17:12 am
Canoe het mos nie bearings noodig nie of hoe?

LOL!!!

Moenie laat ek begin fotos post nie...  >:D
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 02, 2009, 08:21:08 am
So I got some bearings from PSP, its arriving today.

Its about half price compared to Suzuki...

From looking at a microfiche of the DRZ steering head, I can only see the bearings, no seals

Is the rubber seal part of the bearing? Or is it a seperate seal?

Thanks Lecap
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: lecap on October 02, 2009, 09:01:10 am
The bearing is the same as fitted to the DR650SE part no 09265-30014

It has a shaft seal as an integral part of the bearing fitted to the large diameter end of the inner race. It seals against the steering head bore just above / below the outer races of the bearings.

Very nice design actually.

Bus, please bring the bearings to drinks if possible. Keen to have a look. I have a customer waiting for replacement on his DR650SE, would be very nice if the generic ones are identical (=sealed) like OEM.

If they are not sealed I'll buy you a beer and we throw them into the dustbin together ;D
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: plonker on October 02, 2009, 09:02:44 am

I paid R 110.00 each in Centurion.Ok a year ago.It is the same as the wheel bearing in the old Mazda 323 rear wheel drive.For Dakkie.BMW asking R900.00 for the same thing.And they buy theirs from Bearing Man when run out of stock.
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: lecap on October 02, 2009, 09:12:15 am

I paid R 110.00 each in Centurion.Ok a year ago.It is the same as the wheel bearing in the old Mazda 323 rear wheel drive.For Dakkie.BMW asking R900.00 for the same thing.And they buy theirs from Bearing Man when run out of stock.

The Dakkie / F650GS steering head bearing is a 320/28X industry standard tapered roller bearing. Available from engineering suppliers.

The DR650SE / DRZ steering head bearing is NOT a industry standard bearing. Available from Suzuki.
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 02, 2009, 09:14:57 am
The DR650SE / DRZ steering head bearing is NOT a industry standard bearing. Available from Suzuki.

+1 Exactly what I was told by 2 seperate bearing companies...

FFS!!!
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 02, 2009, 09:16:14 am
Apparently this is a list of bikes that use the same bearings...

Kawasaki KLX400 400 cc 2003
DR650SE 650 cc 1996-2008
DRZ250 250 cc 2001-2007
DRZ400E 400 cc 2000-2007
DRZ400S 400 cc 2000-2008
DRZ400SM 400 cc 2005-2008
RM125 125 cc 1993-2004
RM250 250 cc 1993-2004
RMX250 250 cc 1993-1998
RMZ450 450 cc 2005 ball type
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Dakarboy on October 02, 2009, 10:18:18 am
I just checked the F650 maintenace video and the guy showed quite clearly how to change the bearings, but somewhere along the way he mentioned that with the GS (he was working on the classic funduro) one would need a special tool from BMW to do the neck bearing change? Anyone know anything further on this topic?
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: the_BOBNOB on October 02, 2009, 02:49:23 pm
I just checked the F650 maintenace video and the guy showed quite clearly how to change the bearings, but somewhere along the way he mentioned that with the GS (he was working on the classic funduro) one would need a special tool from BMW to do the neck bearing change? Anyone know anything further on this topic?

in the haynes manual for the new model f650gs/dakar they show the entire process to replace the bearings as well

and they show this "special" tool - and show you how to make your own one - very basic and should not take more than 10min to make one
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: KTM BIGGER on October 02, 2009, 03:07:31 pm
Canoe het mos nie bearings noodig nie of hoe?

LOL!!!

Moenie laat ek begin fotos post nie...  >:D

Photo's on "How to clear the camping area before setting up a tent"
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 02, 2009, 03:10:51 pm
Hahaha!!!

You thik we should do a ride report?
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 02, 2009, 03:13:27 pm
Anyways, got me a "All Balls" bearing kit with seals and all.

Got it from Paul at PSP Racing, ended up being just over R500

Looks like pretty good stuff.

Will take to Kriges for Lecap to inspect... :drunken_smilie:

Also, does anyone have any experience with "All Balls"? (No chirps, pls...)
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: KTM BIGGER on October 02, 2009, 03:13:53 pm
Hahaha!!!

You thik we should do a ride report?

why not, I am afraid of no canoe...!!!   ammmm i mean ghost. I will call the ghostbusters and kayakers!!!!!!

Hijack off,

hurry up and fix the neck of that goose for the annual bash bra!!! klomp canoe at boegoeberg river dam i hear...GGGrrrrrrr :laughing4:
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: the_BOBNOB on October 02, 2009, 03:22:00 pm
I paid R 110.00 each in Centurion.Ok a year ago.It is the same as the wheel bearing in the old Mazda 323 rear wheel drive.For Dakkie.BMW asking R900.00 for the same thing.And they buy theirs from Bearing Man when run out of stock.

is the top and bottom bearings the same on the dakar?

also wheel bearings dont come with the race that the bearing runs in?

if you buy these standard bearings from say bearing man does it come as a set - bearing and race ???
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 02, 2009, 03:31:41 pm
is the top and bottom bearings the same on the dakar?

also wheel bearings dont come with the race that the bearing runs in?

if you buy these standard bearings from say bearing man does it come as a set - bearing and race ???

Maybe phone Bearing Man or R&V. I asked but cant remember what they said... I think they called it a taper roller bearing with cone (race?)

Bearing Plus was also very helpful...
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: the_BOBNOB on October 02, 2009, 03:35:04 pm
is the top and bottom bearings the same on the dakar?

also wheel bearings dont come with the race that the bearing runs in?

if you buy these standard bearings from say bearing man does it come as a set - bearing and race ???

Maybe phone Bearing Man or R&V. I asked but cant remember what they said... I think they called it a taper roller bearing with cone (race?)

Bearing Plus was also very helpful...

cool - with cone is the answer  :thumleft:

hopefully mine wount give me issue for another year - had them replaced under warranty 3 months ago so they are still okay

but they just dont last on the bmw  :'(
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 02, 2009, 03:36:51 pm
Stop wheelying that Dakkie then...  ::)
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: the_BOBNOB on October 02, 2009, 03:40:10 pm
Stop wheelying that Dakkie then...  ::)

my wheelies are so smooth you dont even realise that they have happened  ::)
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: wrench on October 02, 2009, 05:13:04 pm
They dont do that size, 30x52x16 taper roller bearing...


[/quote]

Kits are available from All Balls, bearings and seals +- R 400.00
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: lecap on October 03, 2009, 09:14:57 am
F650GS single & Dakar:
320/28X top and bottom. Fark all special tools needeed. Even easier than the Funduro due to the two bores in the lower triple clamp.

A tapered roller bearing usually consisits of two separate components: An inner race with a cage filled with rollers permanently fitted to it and a loose outer race. The races are the "rings" the rollers of a roller bearing roll on.
Tapered roller bearings are usually used in pairs in <> or >< configuration and are ideal to transfer high axial and radial load. They often replace shoulder ball bearings as an alternative with a longer service life and higher load carrying capability.
Tapered roller bearings fit onto cylindrical shafts and into cylindrical bores, The surfaces the rollers run on as well as the rollers themselves are conical ("tapered")

Bike wheel bearings (most) are ball bearings, inner and outer race, cage and rollers form a unit and do not allow disassembly.
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Herms on October 05, 2009, 01:53:10 pm
Hey Bus, did the All BAlls bearings work? Are they the right size and do they have the rubber seal?
Title: Re: Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Bus on October 05, 2009, 02:05:28 pm
Hey Bus, did the All BAlls bearings work? Are they the right size and do they have the rubber seal?

Yip, the All Balls bearings are perfect. And they both have rubber seals. As far as I could establish they only differ from OEM in that the seals are seperate items and not integral with the bearing...

They are being fitted as we speak... I dont have the time to do it myself, so Tim in Waterkant str is doing it for me.

Sorry Lecap, I had to get it done today, with the schools having started again, the N1 is a pain in the ass with the bakkie...

So Im having the bearings replaced, including the parts and labour, for less than the bearings alone from Suzuki....  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DRZ 400 Steering Head Bearings
Post by: N[]vA on October 05, 2009, 02:18:27 pm
Hey Bus, did the All BAlls bearings work? Are they the right size and do they have the rubber seal?

Yip, the All Balls bearings are perfect. And they both have rubber seals. As far as I could establish they only differ from OEM in that the seals are seperate items and not integral with the bearing...

They are being fitted as we speak... I dont have the time to do it myself, so Tim in Waterkant str is doing it for me.

Sorry Lecap, I had to get it done today, with the schools having started again, the N1 is a pain in the ass with the bakkie...

So Im having the bearings replaced, including the parts and labour, for less than the bearings alone from Suzuki....  :thumleft:

sweet when they are in and work plz post where who and how much :D!
Title: Re: DRZ 400 Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Herms on October 05, 2009, 03:49:59 pm
Yes, please post a contact number and name, I think I need a set to.
Title: Re: DRZ 400 Steering Head Bearings
Post by: lecap on October 14, 2009, 07:23:15 am
Yes, please post a contact number and name, I think I need a set to.

PLEASE!!! Urgent! I don't want to use OEM bearings on a customers bike if there is an alternative.
Title: Re: DRZ 400 Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Runner on October 14, 2009, 07:31:16 am
I also have all ball in stock, but keep in mind it is a Chinese bearing.
Title: Re: DRZ 400 Steering Head Bearings
Post by: wrench on October 14, 2009, 07:32:10 am
Yes, please post a contact number and name, I think I need a set to.

PLEASE!!! Urgent! I don't want to use OEM bearings on a customers bike if there is an alternative.

Motorsport!!
Title: Re: DRZ 400 Steering Head Bearings
Post by: lecap on October 14, 2009, 07:40:36 am
I also have all ball in stock, but keep in mind it is a Chinese bearing.

Means? Do they fall apart after 5000km? Would you use OEM considering cost of replacement? (A properly set DR650 head which does not suffer pressure washer mistreatment will usually outlast the bike).
Title: Re: DRZ 400 Steering Head Bearings
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on October 14, 2009, 07:54:20 am
Yes, please post a contact number and name, I think I need a set to.

PLEASE!!! Urgent! I don't want to use OEM bearings on a customers bike if there is an alternative.

Conrad my Bro in law has just bought a DRZ400E I gave him your number for head bearings also the front suspention also needs work its pretty hard.