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General => General Bike Related Banter => To Buy or Not To Buy => Topic started by: michnus on October 01, 2009, 06:30:52 pm

Title: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: michnus on October 01, 2009, 06:30:52 pm
before you buy any 1200 make sure you go through the bike properly.

Please add to this thread if you know of something that is of importance to a prospective buyer.

Most common things:

*Feel rear wheel for play, take 3 and 9 o'clock and 6 and 12 o'Clock to feel for play, it's easy just get the bike onto the centre stand. Also spin wheel by hand and listen for rough noise while wheel is turning. possible huge cost implication.
*In the same time pull rear wheel from side to side to check for swing arm play. not too expensive to repair.

* Remove rear wheel and check flange for cracks, problem most 04 and 05 models. expensive repair.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/michnus/1200gs/IMG_6529_800-1.jpg)
Check where the gearbox and engine casing join for a thin line of oil on the outside, it is a sign the gearbox input shaft seal might be leaking, meaning oil is getting through the engine onto the clutch.  bike to be split to be repaired, expensive fix

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/michnus/1200gs/IMG_0647648x486-1.jpg)
*Behind the front wheel, look out for corrosion, it's not a big problem take the cover off and remove the foam padding. Possible problem is the belt only get replaced every 60000km the bolts holding the cover might be corroded and will break when loosing them. expensive repair cost to take out broken studs
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/michnus/1200gs/DSCN2882-1.jpg)

* Check for play in the top yoke bearing. Hold front wheel straight dead centre, pull handle bars back and forth there must be no movement. relativity expensive to repair, labour cost, bearing cost minimal.
*On the throttle side remove the panel and check for small hairline cracks on the fuel feedback flange, connector. Expensive replacement part.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/michnus/1200gs/fuelpump4-1.jpg)

*The first day you have the bike home loosen the FD and check the pinion shaft for play, and check if the shaft is lubed. relatively expensive repair.

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/michnus/1200gs/018-splines-exposed-1.jpg)

any thing else?  ;)
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Adventurer on October 02, 2009, 08:13:14 am
My alltime favourite......CHECK THE FRONT DISCS!
Ride the bike and gently apply the front brakes, ANY trembling and the discs may be warped, an expensive repair.
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Sherman on October 09, 2009, 08:51:49 pm
My alltime favourite......CHECK THE FRONT DISCS!
Ride the bike and gently apply the front brakes, ANY trembling and the discs may be warped, an expensive repair.

What does this cost to repair? what's involved?
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Adventurer on October 10, 2009, 02:20:03 pm
About R6K,cheaper and better to buy Wunderlich discs tho.
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 22, 2010, 08:36:23 pm
* Remove rear wheel and check flange for cracks, problem most 04 and 05 models. expensive repair.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/michnus/1200gs/IMG_6529_800-1.jpg)
Check where the gearbox and engine casing join for a thin line of oil on the outside, it is a sign the gearbox input shaft seal might be leaking, meaning oil is getting through the engine onto the clutch.  bike to be split to be repaired, expensive fix


was at the local bmw dealer at the start of the month and they had one of those lying on the counter - i recognized it from your photos - and each and every one was also cracked
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Bull Grackle on March 25, 2010, 04:51:14 pm
You mentioned the 04 and 05 1200gs's as having flange cracking problems. Are the potential steerhead bearing, final drive, pinion shaft and rear wheel bearing problems you mentioned confined to those model years as well? Or are they spread across all model years? Thanks in advance for your comments.
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Boertjie on March 26, 2010, 12:05:27 pm
You mentioned the 04 and 05 1200gs's as having flange cracking problems. Are the potential steerhead bearing, final drive, pinion shaft and rear wheel bearing problems you mentioned confined to those model years as well? Or are they spread across all model years? Thanks in advance for your comments.

Are these problems related to age/mileage, neglect, riding in water/mud/sand...? Are there any telltales in the application/use of the bikes?
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: michnus on July 31, 2010, 10:38:13 pm
You mentioned the 04 and 05 1200gs's as having flange cracking problems. Are the potential steerhead bearing, final drive, pinion shaft and rear wheel bearing problems you mentioned confined to those model years as well? Or are they spread across all model years? Thanks in advance for your comments.

Flange seems localized between 04 and 05, rest is across the range to check.
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: spoedvark on November 29, 2010, 10:05:23 pm
Check area below where the driveshaft enters the motor for oil leak. Could indicate a seal needs replacing. Cost me just under a klip with labour included. Check forkseals as you would on any bike. About another k +/-.
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Duke916 on December 13, 2010, 09:44:10 am
Check the main stand taper bolts , the bike is wobbly when on the main stand .The bolts snap off and you can loose the stand if you dont notice it in time! 32000 k's one side snapped and the other side about 3/4 loose . The bush is expensive .
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: SkidVicious on December 22, 2010, 02:29:22 pm
Thanks for the heads up. Wish I had read it before getting a 2005. Just that others know, I had that corrosion issue on the gear box cover (front cover behind the front wheel) which set me back about R2500 for the part, then the 16 bolts (which I am told have to be replaced every time the cover is pulled off) plus labour. Pretty pricey.
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: TransAlpie on January 13, 2011, 09:56:56 am
*The first day you have the bike home loosen the FD and check the pinion shaft for play, and check if the shaft is lubed. relatively expensive repair.

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/michnus/1200gs/018-splines-exposed-1.jpg)
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Please can you give some more info, what is the FD and where is that photo taken from, the back,front left right? I can see a disk on the left but have know idea where this is on the bike?
thanks
B
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Janneman on January 13, 2011, 10:07:14 am
*The first day you have the bike home loosen the FD and check the pinion shaft for play, and check if the shaft is lubed. relatively expensive repair.

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/michnus/1200gs/018-splines-exposed-1.jpg)

Please can you give some more info, what is the FD and where is that photo taken from, the back,front left right? I can see a disk on the left but have know idea where this is on the bike?
thanks
B
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ai ai jai jai jai :o   :imaposer:

his is when you drop the wheel out, loosen the stabilising arm on the final drive and then the final drive drops down!!!!

Thsn you will see this picture :mwink: :mwink: :mwink: :thumleft:,

 im glad my bike doesnt look like that the whole time, hahahaha

Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: TransAlpie on January 13, 2011, 10:21:42 am
*The first day you have the bike home loosen the FD and check the pinion shaft for play, and check if the shaft is lubed. relatively expensive repair.

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/michnus/1200gs/018-splines-exposed-1.jpg)

Please can you give some more info, what is the FD and where is that photo taken from, the back,front left right? I can see a disk on the left but have know idea where this is on the bike?
thanks
B


ai ai jai jai jai :o   :imaposer:

his is when you drop the wheel out, loosen the stabilising arm on the final drive and then the final drive drops down!!!!

Thsn you will see this picture :mwink: :mwink: :mwink: :thumleft:,

 im glad my bike doesnt look like that the whole time, hahahaha ; tjp


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Thanks that makes a bit more sence  :laughing4:
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Pleco on May 16, 2013, 12:01:01 pm
Cam chains will need replacement at 150 000kms max. Cannot find any info on lifespan of the chains.

My experience is that the motor will need a major rebuild from 150 000kms onwards. Engine needs to be split for cam chains, so good time to change all bearings and seals.

Big end bearings and small end bearings do wear as well. Depends on service intervals and type of riding I suppose. But big ends fail before small ends, before main bearings.

DIY it will cost you about 10k in parts.

Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: boss freddy on May 17, 2013, 09:55:48 am
I bought a 2009 GSA with  26000 ks on the clock when i checked  it i noticed the thin line of oil between the gearbox and the motor is this something i can fix on my own or would u recomend me rather take it in to the agents ,i have all the tools and the time ,would it save n bit of tom doing it myself.
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Pleco on May 17, 2013, 11:34:06 am
I bought a 2009 GSA with  26000 ks on the clock when i checked  it i noticed the thin line of oil between the gearbox and the motor is this something i can fix on my own or would u recomend me rather take it in to the agents ,i have all the tools and the time ,would it save n bit of tom doing it myself.

Your crank seal is most likely leaking.

The main tool would be the BMW REPROM DVD. If you have time and space, print each page of the procedure, and put the parts on the seperate pages as they come off the bike. You will have to remove the back end of the bike. Reasonable bit involved and you will need to bleed the brakes afterwards.

Nothing too complicated, the manual is very comprehensive.
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: marmite on November 12, 2013, 10:19:18 am
Is it safe to buy a late 2007 GS1200 with 53000km on the  clock?? Anything i should be on the lookout for??
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: spoedvark on December 24, 2013, 05:41:35 pm
Centre stand bolt snapped last week! Bike was pretty wobbly between front and back wheel when on the centre stand during the last few days! Easy fix. Went off to EL Nut and Bolt and bought 2 new bolts for      R 8.25 total.

Wonder what BMW would charge for these bolts?
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: T Rex on December 26, 2013, 07:40:58 am
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Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Orangeswifty on March 26, 2014, 09:50:32 pm
xcuse me for being a dick...........but why buy the shit if you have to wonder about whatever is wrong and how to check it before you buy it
Just buy a KTM and get oit over and done with!!!!! :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
(PUI)
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: RigDog on January 15, 2015, 02:29:17 am
All points in the thread are really good!
Added are the drive shaft boots - if they are torn, you're in for an expensive fix. Then the balljoint on the front wishbone - fair price fix to replace that one
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: katana on January 15, 2015, 05:46:58 am
All points in the thread are really good!
Added are the drive shaft boots - if they are torn, you're in for an expensive fix. Then the balljoint on the front wishbone - fair price fix to replace that one

I spotted my ball joint boot torn in time and spent some time doing the research and finding a suitable boot.  It is a R50 3 hour repair.  Mine is still good.
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: T Rex on January 15, 2015, 07:49:44 am
xcuse me for being a dick...........but why buy the shit if you have to wonder about whatever is wrong and how to check it before you buy it
Just buy a KTM and get oit over and done with!!!!! :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
(PUI)

Citrusman....... , jy het dit gese...... Jy is n Dick  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Hotwire on October 19, 2015, 01:08:56 pm
Centre stand bolt snapped last week! Bike was pretty wobbly between front and back wheel when on the centre stand during the last few days! Easy fix. Went off to EL Nut and Bolt and bought 2 new bolts for      R 8.25 total.

Wonder what BMW would charge for these bolts?

200 and some odd Rands for the bolt and special nut...
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Mr.T on November 12, 2015, 07:21:50 pm
At 188000Km my 2008 GSA, the motor has not been opened except to adjust tappets.
It has no noise at all emanating from it except a healthy roar from the Acropovic exhaust.
What has been done is the gearbox bearings and seals with a new cush gear. ZAR 11,000.00
The FD has been rebuild with new bearings and seals. ZAR 4,500.00
Drive shaft rebuild. Not new one. ZAR 850.00
Front wheel bearings. ZAR 120.00
Repaired my own ABS at a cost of ZAR 40.00
Ball joint on front telly lever suspension arm replaced. ZAR 1,250.00
Normal oil changes at 10000 Km intervals with full synthetic 5W50 oil.

Recall on fuel pump complete with pump module and back wheel flange replacement for free by BMW
Good to go further down the line.
For the above repairs I find this acceptable due to the dirt roads and rivers that have been ridden.
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Tony the Boney on November 12, 2015, 08:58:51 pm
This is a good thread  :sip:
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: spoedvark on December 17, 2015, 08:00:38 am
Centre stand bolt snapped last week! Bike was pretty wobbly between front and back wheel when on the centre stand during the last few days! Easy fix. Went off to EL Nut and Bolt and bought 2 new bolts for      R 8.25 total.

Wonder what BMW would charge for these bolts?

200 and some odd Rands for the bolt and special nut...

I was lucky I did not lose the bolt part. Turned the broken piece out and matched it too a tapered bolt. Carry a spare with me on the bike, just in case the other one or the new one goes!
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: 1ougat on December 17, 2015, 10:58:00 am
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Post by: Jacobsroodt on December 17, 2015, 11:23:53 am
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Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Parkinoff on December 17, 2015, 11:40:21 am


*The first day you have the bike home loosen the FD and check the pinion shaft for play, and check if the shaft is lubed. relatively expensive repair.

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/michnus/1200gs/018-splines-exposed-1.jpg)

any thing else?  ;)

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The fix for a pinion play is around R10k! I'm having one done from a 2004 with 110k km by BMW at the moment.

Check for play in drive shaft Ujoints by turning the back wheel forwards and backwards with bike in 1st gear.
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: KiLRoy on December 19, 2015, 08:02:10 am
My 08 model with 30k kms seem to have excessive play. Very clonky, noisy when clutch bites.  Noisy when even closing throttle (hard deliberately) without clutch. Noisy on main stand running in 3rd and applying brakes.  Im concerned.  Just paid R90k for this bike....
After only 30k kms?...   Weird
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: DirtCopper on December 19, 2015, 08:14:48 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: katana on December 19, 2015, 11:09:39 am
They all do that Sir!  Really they do.  I figure it is built in bragging of how much hammering these boxers can take.  Then again, a modern 250F/450F will put a GS to shame in the noise department.
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Clint_G on December 19, 2015, 03:59:30 pm
I had my 2011 GSA for 2 weeks when it dripped a bit of oil. Called the dealership, and they sent me a loan bike to use while they sorted it. Turned out to be a balancer shaft seal that went. R300 seal. R4500 labour to split the bike. But they covered all the costs, and while it was open, checked all the other seals. I was given a 6 month total warranty, so I have 4 months left to make sure nothing else pops up.

When I say "dripped", it actually spat out a bunch of oil when I stopped after doing a 40km round trip to town, but then didn't leak another drop while it was standing. Oil level was still perfect, but there was a whistling noise from the engine almost like a dry bearing, but that was the seal disintegrating. Luckily stopped the bike immediately, and no damage done.
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: Clarence1983 on June 26, 2017, 04:55:06 pm
If you are buying second hand privately I suggest that you ask the seller the vin number of the bike. contact your local motorrad and ask for the full history. They will give you a breakdown of any and all that was done to the bike provided the owner serviced it at the dealers. My 2cents worth.
Title: Re: BEFORE YOU BUY A 1200GS/ADV LOOK OUT FOR THIS.
Post by: katana on June 26, 2017, 09:09:27 pm
If you are buying second hand privately I suggest that you ask the seller the vin number of the bike. contact your local motorrad and ask for the full history. They will give you a breakdown of any and all that was done to the bike provided the owner serviced it at the dealers. My 2cents worth.
A  very valid point, but since I started to do my services myself I believe it gets done better.  For annual service items like brake fluid, it goes to someone like Helderberg Yamaha who also has a BMW trained mechhi.