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Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on December 18, 2006, 04:42:18 pm
http://www.dakar.com/2007/DAK/presentation/docs/engages_moto_1512.pdf

I thought BMW would enter?

Lito, did you enter under your real name or another nick?

http://www.dakar.com/2007/DAK/presentation/us/r3_5-le-parcours.html
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Lito on December 18, 2006, 04:46:24 pm
In my wildest wet dream, could I enter that.......  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on December 18, 2006, 05:04:52 pm
Quote from: "Lito"
In my wildest wet dream, could I enter that.......  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:


I hate my vivid imagination  :confused2:  :confused2:  :toothy5:  :toothy5:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: GIDEON on December 18, 2006, 05:07:45 pm
Koplamp aangesien jy so goed is met die sites kry man
wat van n picture van die 3 tiepes
Honda
Yamaha
KTM
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on December 18, 2006, 05:26:10 pm
Gideon - daar is 15 pages vol fotos. Alles van kaal girls tot donkies.  :D

http://www.dakar.com/2006/DAK/LIVE/us/400/r3_photos.html

(http://www.motopress.be/images/Photos/Fonds/BMW_DAKAR.jpg)
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Kev on December 18, 2006, 05:39:56 pm
Quote from: "koplamp"
Gideon - daar is 15 pages vol fotos. Alles van kaal girls tot donkies.  :D

 
Not funny  :evil: There are no kaal girls... I just checked 15 pages of Dakar photos!  :evil:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on December 18, 2006, 05:41:28 pm
:laughing3:   :laughing3:   :laughing3:   :laughing3:   :laughing3:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Kev on December 18, 2006, 05:42:58 pm
Quote from: "koplamp"
:laughing3:   :laughing3:   :laughing3:   :laughing3:   :laughing3:

:D  :lol:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: buzzlightyear on December 18, 2006, 07:50:48 pm
I saw a Dakar insert on 2wheels this afternoon, apparently it costs something like 50000 euros to enter!

They were talking to a local who entered, surname Classen, his website is http://www.classen.co.za/.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: shark_za on December 18, 2006, 08:00:32 pm
Tom the plumber Classen.

There are a lot of other riders from SA also racing.

The dude who rode the Desert 1000 on his big 640 KTM etc, Albert Hintenaus too.

The SA contingent....

Christo Aspeling
Oz Bestal
Tom Classen
Albert Hintenaus
Hein Joubert
Neville Murray
And not to forget Elmer "shortcut" Symons
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: GIDEON on December 18, 2006, 08:53:58 pm
Thanks Kev almost wasted download gap  :D
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on December 18, 2006, 09:04:19 pm
Quote from: "GIDEON"
Thanks Kev almost wasted download gap  :D


"wasted"  :?: Daar's 'n paar befonkelde foto's daar.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: tsiklonaut on December 18, 2006, 09:45:18 pm
Quote from: "koplamp"
Gideon - daar is 15 pages vol fotos. Alles van kaal girls tot donkies.  :D

http://www.dakar.com/2006/DAK/LIVE/us/400/r3_photos.html

(http://www.motopress.be/images/Photos/Fonds/BMW_DAKAR.jpg)


No big twins since 2003. :cry:  That even is a bit bullshit on motorcycles side since then, ill limitations and they still earn their reputation via riders deaths doing too long stages - bit idiots are in control of that event since then. And it's the 4x4 cages gettin' the main focus. Not much heroism is left in that event, compared to pre-2003.

KTM no doubt will take all the first 4-5 spots if not 10 spots. KTM factory owns a real estate in Marocco for quite some years now and KTM factory riders know the Lisbon-Dakar track throughoutly, having the most detailed background information and the intensive time training there on the spot, making it unfrair competition for others, especially the privateers.

I was hoping for Yamaha could do some competition since they decided to take "russian style of war" strategy as the KTM does: strenght in numbers, but i think they just don't have much chances looking at the current situation on the Dakar event. Even with the world's very best riders they couldn't compete against KTM factory teams
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: GIDEON on December 18, 2006, 09:45:46 pm
Ok dan sal ek maar moet Thanks Koplamp  :D

Hoop net daars n Honda  8)
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: funacide on December 18, 2006, 10:57:46 pm
There are some awesome pics in the bunch!!!

(http://www.dakar.com/2006/DAK/LIVE/galerie/400/galerie_04.jpg)
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Leo on December 19, 2006, 01:17:40 am
I see th eTV broadcast only starts on 5 Jan.  :?

I was under the impression that the race actually started 31 Dec 06  :wink:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: chrisB on December 19, 2006, 05:21:40 am
Nice site from Tom Claasen, interesting that one can rent a bike and tech support 8)
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: funacide on December 19, 2006, 07:34:31 am
Quote from: "Leo"
I see th eTV broadcast only starts on 5 Jan.  :?

I was under the impression that the race actually started 31 Dec 06  :wink:


DSTV are also advertising that it starts on the 5th of Jan...
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: funacide on December 19, 2006, 07:53:45 am
I see that the Dakar site is saying it starts on the 6th of Jan. See schedule below
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on December 19, 2006, 02:37:52 pm
If it starts on either of those two days, it would mean that I can't party all that hard on New Years. Would be a shame to still be babbelaas when that starts.  :drunken:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Leo on December 19, 2006, 06:57:11 pm
Sorry Fun it was a typo. I actually meant "the TV" as opposed to "th eTv".
 

Saw the Budai Deserty raceon DSTV the other evening. Was a nice appetizer  :wink:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: funacide on December 19, 2006, 10:56:36 pm
Quote from: "Leo"
Sorry Fun it was a typo. I actually meant "the TV" as opposed to "th eTv".
 

Saw the Budai Deserty raceon DSTV the other evening. Was a nice appetizer  :wink:


I watched that as well, looked awesome and I can't wait for the Dakar to start on the 6th. I just wish they showed more than just the little bit of highlights every night....
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: sidetrack on December 21, 2006, 11:27:19 pm
I'd like to see more of the privateers, that is the real race for me to see if man and machine can make it to the finish line  8)
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Leo on December 22, 2006, 12:09:21 am
Me too. Those guys are having a real struggle.

Supersport showed some inserts of those guys, but not alot.

Last year or the year before they showed this father & son combo, apparently the father had run the sun over one night when he was totally exhausted  :roll:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: sidetrack on December 22, 2006, 12:14:41 am
Yip and remember the guy who's XR caught fire  :shock:  He traced a leaking fuel tank and plugged it with some soap. When asked what he will do if it leaks again and catches fire he said "I'll just jump off"  :lol: You often see the guys in tears when they realise their race is over, I think it must be quite an experience. On the one hand it's shear torture on your body but it's something you REALLY want to finish and always end up coming back for more.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: shark_za on December 22, 2006, 07:46:06 am
I like Toms story from last year, as mentioned.

What the trip is really like for those that struggle.
I'd love to hear the stories of the guys who slept out overnight in the roof too.
The battlers.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: GIDEON on December 22, 2006, 07:48:37 am
I agree , the ones with sponsers get almost a new bike every night while they sleep. the real deal men and women have to do that themselfs
 :roll:  :D
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Jaqhama on December 23, 2006, 05:20:50 pm
My friend Chris Barrerie Varju is on the 2007 listing.
Chris's second Dakar attempt.
Go Chris :!:

Fellow Aussie Simon Pavey is not on the list that I can see.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Jaqhama on December 23, 2006, 05:52:39 pm
A small appertiser for you guys.

&NR

Enjoy.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: chrisB on December 23, 2006, 06:13:10 pm
I saw in the Beeld's Dakar section that this year it is safety first for every KTM factory rider who will all wear the new neck brace protection developed for KTM by South African doctor Chris Leatt and already tested in other international rallies by top KTM riders, hopefully this will help cut down on fatal accidents like Andy this year also some interesting facts is that 40% of participants is between ages 18 - 39 thus a majority of older participants. They say that interest in the rally is picking up according to entries this year (may be Mrs Boorman has some thing to do with this).

Of the 250 motorcycles competing in 2007, 128 riders will be on the hallmark orange machines made in Austria (KTM).

KTM Factory Team riders for Dakar 2007:

Gauloises KTM


Cyril Despres

Isidre Esteve

David Casteu

Frans Verhoeven

Repsol KTM

Marc Coma

Giovanni Sala

Jordi Viladoms

Red Bull KTM

Chris Blais
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Leo on December 24, 2006, 01:20:49 am
Me thinks it's very sad that BMW is not enterring an official factory team!
Title: No point to enter, really.
Post by: tsiklonaut on December 24, 2006, 02:46:36 am
Quote from: "Leo"
Me thinks it's very sad that BMW is not enterring an official factory team!


No other make factory enters as a proffessional competitioner. It's a mono-KTM event since 2003. Read my earlier post why.

It's now so redicilous, that Yamaha decided to make it a money-earning event, puting number of "factory" bikes onto stage and offering "everyday riders" a nice package to enter the "dream-come-true" Dakar race - they get you decent rallye bike, organize all the things till the bike's tech support etc. All you need to do is to pay.

If they don't change the race track fundamentally (i.e. shift the race path into Libya, Algeria, or Dakar-Cairo etc), take off the redicolous cc- and speed limitations, STOP doing ultra-long stages that cost riders lives - then I don't see a reason why japanese, BMW et.al should come back into the race as proffessional teams. Also the probability of losing a rider for the jap teams is a strictly NO answer and they are scared shitless after the death of Meoni, Caldecott et al.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on December 26, 2006, 09:46:01 pm
Check this out. It's a long story but it put together the criticism against the Dakar rally. I got it on Wikipedia.

Makes for an interesting read is all I can add.

==Criticism==
The race has been subject to criticism from several sources, generally focusing on the race's impact on the inhabitants of the countries through which it passes. The rally was criticised for crossing through the disputed, non-decolonization|decolonized territory of Western Sahara, without consulting the Polisario Front, which is considered representative of the Sahrawi people. After the race officials began asking for formal permission from the Polisario from 2000 onwards, this has not been an issue.

After the 1988 race, when three Africans were killed in collisions with vehicles involved in the race, Panafrican News Agency|PANA, a Dakar-based news agency, wrote that the deaths were "insignificant for the race's organizers". The Vatican City|Vatican newspaper ''L'Osservatore Romano'' called the race a "vulgar display of power and wealth in places where men continue to die from hunger and thirst."<ref>Brooke, James (1988). Dangerous Paris-Dakar race is endangered. ''The New York Times'', March 13, p8.</ref> During a 2002 protest at the race's start in Arras, France, a The Greens (France)|Green Party of France statement described the race as "colonialism that needs to be eradicated".<ref>Paterne, Elodie (2001). Protests overshadow start of Paris-Dakar race. ''Agence France-Presse''. December 28.</ref>

Some local residents along the race's course have said they see limited benefits from the race; that race participants spend little money on the goods and services local residents can offer. The racers produce substantial amounts of dust along the course, and are blamed for hitting and killing livestock, in addition to occasionally injuring or killing people.<ref>Doggett, Gina (2004) Paris-Dakar rally brings "little but dust", Senegalese villagers say. ''Agence France-Presse''. January 18.</ref>
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on December 26, 2006, 09:47:25 pm
The link will take you to the rest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakar_Rally
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: sidetrack on December 27, 2006, 12:04:46 am
The age old story of bikes and cars destroying everything in their path .... please ! Do they really mean that the barren expanse of the Sahara desert and other inhabitless areas (sp) are destroyed by an event that  happens once a year ? Remember the villages and towns are subject to strict marshalling no one can help if livestock are allowed to walk free (like they do all over Africa)I mean for goodness sake they only pass a certain section once and not even the same stretches every year. By the looks of things alot of charity work is done by the Dakar event. If the African countries are so set against it why don't they just ban the race from their land alltogether ?
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Kaboef on December 27, 2006, 07:44:39 am
I agree with DD.
If the Dakar race was held in Europe or America, the cities and towns it passed through would have made a fortune: selling food and drinks, hospitality, etc etc.
Instead, in Africa, you get the true African mentality sticking its head out in the sense that they just WANT everything, but are not willing to put in any effort to get it.
That is why you get protests. Instead of being pro-active and thus capitalising on the masses of wealth that accompanies the Dakar, they just stick out their hands annd say: give me, give me.

Its true that the contrast in wealth between the competitors and inhabitants is huge, but is that really a reason to cancel the Dakar?
In that case they should also cancel the 2010 Soccer WC, because poverty is rife in SA as well.
How many of the 45million South African can afford a 2010 match ticket?

I dont buy all the criticism on the Dakar.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: sidetrack on December 27, 2006, 10:01:12 am
My favourite "they create dust", for fark sakes they live in the middle of a dusty desert ! What are they afraid of getting dust on their Gomma Gomma sofa's ? Their is a good reason the Toureg and other tribes wear protective clothing, it's because they deal with dust everyday of their lives !
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on December 27, 2006, 10:25:50 pm
Hey Digital D, I just posted that there for interest sake. I mean, sure there are always two sides to a coin and you can decide which to bet on.  I just thought that it is interesting to look at other peoples opinions also. Don't get me wrong.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: sidetrack on December 27, 2006, 11:09:22 pm
Quote from: "koplamp"
Hey Digital D, I just posted that there for interest sake. I mean, sure there are always two sides to a coin and you can decide which to bet on.  I just thought that it is interesting to look at other peoples opinions also. Don't get me wrong.


I know was just commenting on the article  :wink:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Jaqhama on December 29, 2006, 08:41:34 am
The Dakar is a private organisation, if they have permission from the Governments of the countries they pass thru to race in those areas then they are doing nothing wrong.

They are not obliged to contribute anything to the local populations, though I daresay they do.

I'm sure there seems to be a huge "image" problem between the racers and the local inhabitants, but thats up to the elected politicians of France and the African countries to sort out, not a private race organisation.

Wikipedia can be written and edited by anyone also...never use it for 100% factual information, because it is not an acreddited source of information like an encyclopedia or an official record book.

I just re-wrote the wikipedia info on Gaston Rahier in correct english.
I did not even have to register or sign in to do so. :roll:

I'm not saying Wiki is wrong about the Dakar info contained on the site, I'm just saying to be very wary of anything written on Wiki at all.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: shark_za on January 02, 2007, 01:22:10 pm
Quote from: "Leo"
Me thinks it's very sad that BMW is not enterring an official factory team!


Whats even sadder is that not a single privateer entered a BMW too.
There are 3x KLR's riding and no BMW's
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: sidetrack on January 04, 2007, 11:27:55 pm
Only five Suzuki riders and interesting two riders on Husky's (that's bikes not  dogs  :D )
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: shark_za on January 05, 2007, 08:02:56 am
The one SA guy is on a Honda.
Go boy !
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: TheCuteness on January 05, 2007, 09:17:01 am
I read Charlie Boorman's book "The race to Dakar" during the holidays - not a great book, but it provides some interesting insights on what it takes for a privateer to compete (or rather participate) in the event.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Lito on January 05, 2007, 10:48:17 am
I am sorry if it sounds confrontational... but I think that Tsiklonauts whiny story about how the terrible KTM dominates because they have real estate there, etc is just sour grapes. Cry me a river.

I would love to see BMW back in there, with the likes of the 900RR etc.

Interesting to note: why does Honda dominate the Baja, and not at all in the Dakar?

Would be great to see a few 2Trac Yammies also kick some ass.

But what would be awesome to see is the new Aprillia Rally small twin place somewhere in the top 20. Absolutely awesome
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: shark_za on January 05, 2007, 11:03:38 am
I dont think you can compare the two races.

One is a one day team event, swapping riders every 300 or so miles.
The other is a 2 week long expidition, more sand, more varied conditions.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: brutus maximus on January 05, 2007, 12:17:45 pm
For those of you that have not seen Charley Boorman's awesome Race to Dakar TV series which is available on DVD, it is a must see for anyone that has an interest in the Dakar. It follows the progress of Charley and two teammates in last years Dakar. It gives a real inside view of the rally for those that finish and those that dont.

Charley Boorman is of "Long Way Round" fame .
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: accton on January 05, 2007, 12:39:03 pm
Who  :?:  is Charley Boorman
What is "Long Way Round"
Anybody in South Africa heard of this ????? :wink:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: shark_za on January 05, 2007, 12:43:24 pm
Wow, thanks for sharing man.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Kev on January 05, 2007, 12:44:26 pm
Quote from: "accton"
What is "Long Way Round"
Anybody in South Africa heard of this ????? :wink:

 
:scratch: :dontknow:  :lol:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: sidetrack on January 05, 2007, 01:21:19 pm
Quote from: "shark_za"
Wow, thanks for sharing man.


 :lol:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: brutus maximus on January 05, 2007, 01:56:06 pm
:oops:

Comment was obviously meant for those that had just returned from outer Saturn ...
Title: Re: Dakar 2007
Post by: Lito on January 05, 2007, 02:06:03 pm
Quote from: "brutus maximus"
:oops:

Comment was obviously meant for those that had just returned from outer Saturn ...



(http://s3.amazonaws.com/advrider/yelrotflmao.gif)
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: brutus maximus on January 05, 2007, 02:38:12 pm
I almost said Outer Mongolia but then realised that that too would have brought forth much mirth and ridicule ... :lol:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: shark_za on January 05, 2007, 02:48:44 pm
haha, welcome dude.

Reading the book, I wish he would just stop moaning about the frikken road book.
Title: Re: Dakar 2007
Post by: Lito on January 05, 2007, 02:51:48 pm
Quote from: "brutus maximus"
I almost said Outer Mongolia but then realised that that too would have brought forth much mirth and ridicule ... :lol:


wicked sense of humour mate.....  (http://s3.amazonaws.com/advrider/thumb.gif)
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: brutus maximus on January 05, 2007, 02:58:51 pm
Fortunately in the TV series he does not harp on too much about it...
Title: Re: Dakar 2007
Post by: X Banana Boy on January 05, 2007, 05:48:40 pm
Quote from: "brutus maximus"
:oops:

Comment was obviously meant for those that had just returned from outer Saturn ...


For an X lurker, you didn't lurk very well.  :twisted:   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: tsiklonaut on January 06, 2007, 10:50:06 am
Quote from: "Lito"
I am sorry if it sounds confrontational... but I think that Tsiklonauts whiny story about how the terrible KTM dominates because they have real estate there, etc is just sour grapes. Cry me a river.

I would love to see BMW back in there, with the likes of the 900RR etc.

Interesting to note: why does Honda dominate the Baja, and not at all in the Dakar?

Would be great to see a few 2Trac Yammies also kick some ass.

But what would be awesome to see is the new Aprillia Rally small twin place somewhere in the top 20. Absolutely awesome


Lito, yeah yeah, "absolutely awsome" etc. But do you see them there in the 2007 list? Many makes have well competing bikes but not there since 2003 altough they'd get them well sponsored and a infrastructure organised team if needed. But they are not coming.

Think again why.  :twisted:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: BlouVark on January 10, 2007, 10:51:11 am
I see the KLR is 215 currently, not bad :shock:  but the crazy dutchman on the 125 KTM is out. A 125 in the Dakar? Crazy
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: chrisB on January 10, 2007, 10:56:21 am
Quote from: "BlouVark"
I see the KLR is 215 currently, not bad :shock:  but the crazy dutchman on the 125 KTM is out. A 125 in the Dakar? Crazy


The 125 is at least much lighter and "should" handle easier in the dunes but will suffer in long running straights piste in comparison with speed - I think... :?
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: BlouVark on January 10, 2007, 11:03:31 am
Quote from: "chrisB"
Quote from: "BlouVark"
I see the KLR is 215 currently, not bad :shock:  but the crazy dutchman on the 125 KTM is out. A 125 in the Dakar? Crazy


The 125 is at least much lighter and "should" handle easier in the dunes but will suffer in long running straights piste in comparison with speed - I think... :?


Yeah, but that little motor singing in the red the whole way? Won't last.

(PS: Copies have been made for you & Shark.)
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: chrisB on January 10, 2007, 11:10:36 am
Quote
(PS: Copies have been made for you & Shark.)


Cool ek het Race to Dakar en Dust to Glory (befok Baja 1000) vir jou ek sal dit vandag brand,  gaan ons swop by Dros?
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: LuckyStriker on January 10, 2007, 11:15:30 am
Quote from: "chrisB"
Quote
(PS: Copies have been made for you & Shark.)


Cool ek het Race to Dakar en Dust to Glory (befok Baja 1000) vir jou ek sal dit vandag brand,  gaan ons swop by Dros?

Jy en BlouVark moet sulke goed eerder privaat bespreek - Dis onwettig en kan julle in die moeilikheid laat beland (dalk die forum ook)
jammer as ek soos jou pa klink :wink:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: chrisB on January 10, 2007, 11:18:36 am
Quote from: "LuckyStriker"
Quote from: "chrisB"
Quote
(PS: Copies have been made for you & Shark.)


Cool ek het Race to Dakar en Dust to Glory (befok Baja 1000) vir jou ek sal dit vandag brand,  gaan ons swop by Dros?

Jy en BlouVark moet sulke goed eerder privaat bespreek - Dis onwettig en kan julle in die moeilikheid laat beland (dalk die forum ook)
jammer as ek soos jou pa klink :wink:


Skuus! :oops:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: BlouVark on January 10, 2007, 11:22:08 am
Quote from: "LuckyStriker"
Quote from: "chrisB"
Quote
(PS: Copies have been made for you & Shark.)


Cool ek het Race to Dakar en Dust to Glory (befok Baja 1000) vir jou ek sal dit vandag brand,  gaan ons swop by Dros?

Jy en BlouVark moet sulke goed eerder privaat bespreek - Dis onwettig en kan julle in die moeilikheid laat beland (dalk die forum ook)
jammer as ek soos jou pa klink :wink:


What, I made copies of my trip to Magoebaskloof & he did of his "Race to Gyani" en "Mud to glory" (Babelikwa 1000) :wink:

but you're right..
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Offroad Adventurer on January 10, 2007, 01:35:43 pm
Interesting, just checked the list..not one BMW. Not even a privateer.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: chrisB on January 10, 2007, 01:39:31 pm
Quote from: "Offroad Adventurer"
Interesting, just checked the list..not one BMW. Not even a privateer.


Ja boet quite embarrassing for me I ride a 650  :oops: I wonder what the story is?
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: shark_za on January 10, 2007, 01:40:57 pm
People will rather ride KLR's


So Albert Hintenaus the capie has dropped out.
Come on SA boys!
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: KiLRoy on January 10, 2007, 02:08:34 pm
if there's no Dakars in the Dakar, will they change their name - its misleading :D  :twisted:

H

Kawasaki KLR Dakar :shock:  :D
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Grootseun on January 10, 2007, 02:13:27 pm
Quote from: "KiLeRSA"
if there's no Dakars in the Dakar, will they change their name - its misleading :D  :twisted:

H

Kawasaki KLR Dakar :shock:  :D


I will have to change the stickers on my bike to "North-West" as that is where i do most of my riding

How about the Kawasaki KLR 650 Baviaans...
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: chrisB on January 10, 2007, 02:14:57 pm
Quote from: "michnus"
Aaaag don't worry BMW has won it so many times in the past it's time to give over manufacturers also a place on the poduim :P


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Jaqhama on January 10, 2007, 04:07:23 pm
Quote from: "BlouVark"
I see the KLR is 215 currently, not bad :shock:  but the crazy dutchman on the 125 KTM is out. A 125 in the Dakar? Crazy


3 french guys on 125 suzuki mx bikes, called Team Objective Dune all reached Dakar back in the 80's.  :D
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Jaqhama on January 10, 2007, 04:09:35 pm
My friend, the African born guy who now lives in Oz started 205 and yesterday was up to postion 103.
Chris Barriere Varju.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: X Banana Boy on January 10, 2007, 05:58:39 pm
It?s all over for Cornel de Villiers

No. 254, CORNEL DE VILLIERS - YAMAHA, QUAD
After suffering engine failure after 257 km of this 5th special stage, South African quad rider Cornel De Villiers could not repair the problem and is now waiting for the ?broom car?.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: shark_za on January 10, 2007, 08:04:27 pm
NEVILLE MURRAY, CHRISTO ASPELING. GREG HINTENAUS ALSO OUT.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Welsh on January 10, 2007, 08:10:05 pm
Quote from: "shark_za"
NEVILLE MURRAY, CHRISTO ASPELING. GREG HINTENAUS ALSO OUT.


With my std 2 maths, how many left 1 or 2?

Welsh  :(  :(
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Jaqhama on January 11, 2007, 06:30:15 am
African/Oz rider Chris Varju number 205 is now in postion 82.

Whoa! Go Chris...he must be blasting along.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: shark_za on January 11, 2007, 08:05:00 am
Still in the race,
On bikes we have Tom, Hein Joubert and Oz Bestel.
Quads still have Johan Steenkamp.

And of course Geniel doing well in the VW.
Navigator Pitchford too.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Welsh on January 11, 2007, 08:09:01 am
Quote from: "shark_za"
Still in the race,
On bikes we have Tom, Hein Joubert and Oz Bestel.
Quads still have Johan Steenkamp.

And of course Geniel doing well in the VW.
Navigator Pitchford too.


Ta, in the overall "attrician" not too bad I supose.

Welsh  8)  8)
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Grootseun on January 11, 2007, 09:59:00 pm
A couple of interresting things i saw on the dakar highlights:
1) Big ass thunderstorm on the way to the liason causing radiators clogged in mud
2) Some KTM Rider with a blue BMW Rallye2 suit
3) Some dude on the yammie (i think)arrived at liason with no tire on his rim!! (rear) he arrived at the liason at quite a speed. This race is really something
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Adventurer on January 11, 2007, 10:17:50 pm
I saw that too, how's that dude riding without a farking back tyre? :D  :D Probably quicker than Leo with his tyres..... :lol:  :lol:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Grootseun on January 11, 2007, 10:24:07 pm
It was a seriously fas stage, unfknblvble how fas those dudes ride on the sand....eendag as ek groot is....
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: sidetrack on January 11, 2007, 10:40:09 pm
And don't forget the Scottish toppie of 65 competing. That Hummer was also hauling !
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Jaqhama on January 12, 2007, 07:49:24 am
Chris Varju has moved up to 78 postion. :D
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on January 12, 2007, 08:02:33 am
As I was lying flat on my back in front of the telly just trying to stay awake I suddenly saw this stitched on a shoulder.

(http://dragovivherrdirektor.jubiiblog.nl/upload/Bmw%20Logo%20Fullcolor.jpg)

I pulled myself together and took a second look. Yes, it is true. There are BMW bikes in the Dakar?

Was I dreaming?
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Grootseun on January 12, 2007, 08:21:15 am
Kopklamp, i think it was a privateer, he was on a KTM i think, with a Rallye 2 Suit, tht'a why the badge was stitched on his shoulder.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on January 12, 2007, 08:37:32 am
Quote from: "Grootseun"
Kopklamp, i think it was a privateer, he was on a KTM i think, with a Rallye 2 Suit, tht'a why the badge was stitched on his shoulder.


Oh. Thanks. Had a look at the list of starters just now - definately no BMW's there.

What's the issues with the Pope all of a sudden. Pissed-off coz he can't go?
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Jaqhama on January 12, 2007, 08:56:39 am
If the Pope's so worried about the poor unfortunates who live in the African countries that the rallye passes thru, then he won't mind selling off the billions upon billions of collected art treasures and historical relics housed within the Vatican and jumping in his pope-mobile and rushing post haste down to Africa with his sychophants and minions and helping the underprivelliged afflicted himself will he?
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on January 12, 2007, 08:59:04 am
Quote from: "Jaqhama"
If the Pope's so worried about the poor unfortunates who live in the African countries that the rallye passes thru, then he won't mind selling off the billions upon billions of collected art treasures and historical relics housed within the Vatican and jumping in his pope-mobile and rushing post haste down to Africa with his sychophants and minions and helping the underprivelliged afflicted himself will he?


It went something like the Dakar leaves behind it a trial of blood and carnage. Something like that in the paper.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: shark_za on January 12, 2007, 08:59:48 am
At least let the people start using condoms.
Stop aids and overpopulation.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: chrisB on January 12, 2007, 09:04:59 am
Quote from: "koplamp"
As I was lying flat on my back in front of the telly just trying to stay awake I suddenly saw this stitched on a shoulder.

(http://dragovivherrdirektor.jubiiblog.nl/upload/Bmw%20Logo%20Fullcolor.jpg)

I pulled myself together and took a second look. Yes, it is true. There are BMW bikes in the Dakar?

Was I dreaming?


I saw it as well :shock: Got exited and then remebered NO BMW this year :oops:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: FortyZA on January 12, 2007, 10:00:11 am
Quote from: "shark_za"
Still in the race,
On bikes we have Tom, Hein Joubert and Oz Bestel.
Quads still have Johan Steenkamp.

And of course Geniel doing well in the VW.
Navigator Pitchford too.

Yo Sharky,
Woke up late on this thread, Johan Steenkamp withdrew a day before Cornel De Villiers engine fails.  That leaves no SA guys on quats and only the bike still there.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Leo on January 12, 2007, 11:09:29 am
Giniel makes me proud to be South African  :wink:

Pity the bike race seems to be a bit of a one horse race  :oops:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Uiltjie on January 15, 2007, 10:58:59 pm
Yes, now our only hope for a win is also gone.....  Giniel de Villiers' VW caught fire - out of the race!  What a sad sight to see.

Sorry man!
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on January 16, 2007, 02:16:17 pm
Quote from: "Uiltjie"
Yes, now our only hope for a win is also gone.....  Giniel de Villiers' VW caught fire - out of the race!  What a sad sight to see.

Sorry man!


Ag tjasssas my bra. There it goes! I felt so proud when we had the opportunity.

Maybe we should enter Lito into the 2008 Dakar. At least he'll be able to ride a bike again...for a change.  :wink:
Title: Dakar
Post by: Katoom on January 16, 2007, 02:46:54 pm
Lampies
Its true. I saw it with my own eyes (not those of uiltjie) Guy wearing BMW jacket riding a KTM 640. Sorry bro. must hurt.
Title: Dakar
Post by: Gerry on January 16, 2007, 04:59:44 pm
Hello Chaps ,

Firstly , sad condolences to Elmers family . I have known this guy since he was just out of school , he always dreamed of this race , and now its been his last dream . I am gutted by it , my young friend !
Oh well , that is the risks one takes for glory .

BMWs , every one is moaning about no BMs in the race . There are a couple of fundamental reasons , as pointed out in the book by the ginger whinger , Charley . The side covers have to be remade , as clutches cant be changed without losing all the coolant , a BIG problem for desert races .

The second problem is the weight of the bikes , with fuel etc , they weigh in like a Harley Fergusson out there in the sand .
BM factory is not committed to produce alternate bits and pieces , like the KTM guys do .

So , if you have a spare half million rands or you can relieve some one of that much , best to hire a bike for your first outing at any rate .

Tom Classen and most of the SA guys do that , it means there is some poor dude waiting to help you fix your bike every night , and generally assist .

Riding the dakar , according to my good friends that have ridden it , is not as hard as us regular SA enduro riders beleive , its the mental thing you have to have . Ride for 18 hours , slogging away , picking up your bike a hundred times , kick starting it , riding a few metres , getting off , dragging the front wheel out of sand starting again and so on . Get to the overnight , service the bike , feed , and then go out without more than maybe 2 hours kip to do it again , for 2 weeks !

That is the hard part , not the actual riding .

Alfie told me that that is what breaks most of the riders , they dont have the mental ability to suffer !

Talk to the guys that have worked on Dakar as mechanics , they'll tell you worse stories of hardship , thats where you learn to sleep for 1 hour a day on the transfer plane , the rest of the time you are running around , getting wheels and tyres , getting the riders trunks from their transport , putting up the riders tents , preparing for your rider , but having to drop all , so you can help another mackie , untill your guy comes in , and then hopefully one of the other mackies will help you . Tyres , the michelin trucks work 24 hours , they tell you to be back to collect your wheels at 2:15 am you better be there , coz otherwise some one else will have taken them and your rider than has a problem !!!!

Its a fantastic experience if you have the cash , but its not a walk in the park .

Tom is doing good so far , Oz is a great rider , lots of vasbyt , lets just hope that lady luck smiles on them both .

Have fun out there in the sun , from a damp cold UK !!
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on January 16, 2007, 05:05:24 pm
Gerry, you seem to be well informed. Thanks.

I wonder how much money we need to collect to enter Lito in 2008. Perhaps we should enter Katoom. He comes standard with bike attached.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Lito on January 16, 2007, 05:27:16 pm
Quote from: "koplamp"
Gerry, you seem to be well informed. Thanks.

I wonder how much money we need to collect to enter Lito in 2008. Perhaps we should enter Katoom. He comes standard with bike attached.


Koplamp, my bru, I would give my right ball to do the Dakar....... :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  I would even go buy a 640 at Proaction tomorrow (on my life), if I could be entered into that race for next year.

 :cry:  :cry:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on January 16, 2007, 05:46:30 pm
I believe you Lito - I know exactly the passion you are referring to. It's just getting the bling together.

Tell me if you agree with me. I think that if you plan not to go out, from the onset, to win, but just to finish, you would have a far better chance of making it to the end. Your bike would last longer, you would last longer and you'd need less support overall. Check out that 65 year old toppie gooing mielies.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Lito on January 16, 2007, 05:57:06 pm
i do agree with you - horses for courses.

if u are a noob (like me), and want to complete - then you ride a bit more conservatively. however, accidents happen when you are zonked from no sleep and exceedingly tired. thats why i respect the privateers so much. most of what i have read from them is that they just want to finish. and yet there is a high attrition rate...

hau.  :cry:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Plothond on January 16, 2007, 07:17:34 pm
I've been thinking, how much would we get for Lito's right ball. After all if we are going to enter him, we are going to need all the funds possible.
Also, this will make the bike much lighter....


 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
Title: balls
Post by: Katoom on January 16, 2007, 08:10:28 pm
Lito if you want it bad enough...  throw in the left ball as well
 :D  :D
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Uiltjie on January 16, 2007, 08:43:59 pm
Howzit Bru's?

I read that Lito will give his left ball to Koplamp to do the Dakar, and Katoom wants his right ball....what on earth would anyone want to do with someone else's nuts?????  My word....

Anyway, just a quick story, to inform those who haven't heard.  I see someone offered Katoom a place in the Dakar....Gentlemen, little do you all know......

Katoom, myself and Kat were playing DARTS with another oke on Friday......Katoom hurt his back so badly, that Kat and I had to do the nursing chores for him.  Later we had the doctor call for some injections and pills and what not!  Poor Katoom was flat on his back in total agony!  Kat could transport him back home only the next day.  Poor Katoom's wife thought he was pissing it up too much that he couldn't get back home!  And now you want him to ride the Dakar....?????  I suppose all sports has its injuries....

Katoom, I was really feeling sorry for you, hope you recover well and soon!
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: chrisB on January 16, 2007, 09:00:50 pm
Quote from: "Plothond"
I've been thinking, how much would we get for Lito's right ball. After all if we are going to enter him, we are going to need all the funds possible.
Also, this will make the bike much lighter....


 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


We would need to collect about R500-000  :shock:
Title: Dakar
Post by: Gerry on January 17, 2007, 12:05:07 pm
Guys , what you see on TV is only 1 % of the real race .

The toughest okes are the poor guys who do the event with their bony and a small metal trunk that is transported from bivouac to bivouac by the organisers .

They also have to carry all their own spares etc , unless the big teams feel generous and sell them essential bits along the way .

A lot of these guys doss on the ground , so they can fit more spares into their trunks , who needs a naff tent , mattress and sleeping bag ?

The top team riders and even the better off supported riders , all have access to spare engines and wheels , so they can afford to ride harder , with less concern for the bike .

Also , when you have access to a mackie , you sleep while he services your bony every night , it all helps if you wanna go fast !

One day maybe ? ?

Its just frightfully expensive !

We are looking to set up a team , so that guys like us , just ordinary riders who crave adventure like this can ride in some of the other african rallys , the 8 day ones , will cost far less . There are about 6 of these each year , all around the mediteranean . Turkey , Bahrain , Morroco , Spain , Portugal etc .

We are looking at getting a fleet of bikes , so that the spares are all interchangable , a big truck as support , 2 mackies and 5 riders .

The idea being that the bikes will not be in the top class , possibly the 450 class , the bikes being lighter and more agile will suit riders who are slightly less than supermen . The 650 / 660 / 690 are big , very fast , heavy and very expensive .

A 450 will be fast , heavy and not as expensive , tyres and chains etc will last a bit longer or be less prone to breakage .

A fair few reasons , also there are so many of them around , taking a  bike or 3 for spares will not break the bank !

As I say , its a plan at this stage with lots of enquiries and interest . It will probably be a joint venture between me and some german mates .

If it goes ahead , wild dog will be the first to know !
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Lito on January 17, 2007, 12:20:27 pm
Quote from: "Plothond"
I've been thinking, how much would we get for Lito's right ball.

 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Quote from: "Katoom"
Lito if you want it bad enough...  throw in the left ball as well
 :D  :D


Lads, I dont think we are going to get anywhere near the R500K mark.... with just two 33 yr old ballas ..... :cry:  :D  :oops:   :cry:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: >Herman< on January 17, 2007, 01:03:51 pm
Quote from: "Lito"
Quote from: "Plothond"
I've been thinking, how much would we get for Lito's right ball.

 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Quote from: "Katoom"
Lito if you want it bad enough...  throw in the left ball as well
 :D  :D


Lads, I dont think we are going to get anywhere near the R500K mark.... with just two 33 yr old ballas ..... :cry:  :D  :oops:   :cry:


Plus your experience!!! That must count for something!  :wink:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Lito on January 17, 2007, 01:18:58 pm
Quote from: "bla-bla black sheep"

Plus your experience!!! That must count for something!  :wink:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  I am afraid I can only tell what to do, not show how to do it  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: >Herman< on January 17, 2007, 01:21:55 pm
Quote from: "Lito"
Quote from: "bla-bla black sheep"

Plus your experience!!! That must count for something!  :wink:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  I am afraid I can only tell what to do, not show how to do it  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:


+1  :oops:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on January 17, 2007, 06:06:55 pm
Quote from: "Uiltjie"
Howzit Bru's?

I read that Lito will give his left ball to Koplamp to do the Dakar, and Katoom wants his right ball....what on earth would anyone want to do with someone else's nuts?????  My word....

Anyway, just a quick story, to inform those who haven't heard.  I see someone offered Katoom a place in the Dakar....Gentlemen, little do you all know......

Katoom, myself and Kat were playing DARTS with another oke on Friday......Katoom hurt his back so badly, that Kat and I had to do the nursing chores for him.  Later we had the doctor call for some injections and pills and what not!  Poor Katoom was flat on his back in total agony!  Kat could transport him back home only the next day.  Poor Katoom's wife thought he was pissing it up too much that he couldn't get back home!  And now you want him to ride the Dakar....?????  I suppose all sports has its injuries....

Katoom, I was really feeling sorry for you, hope you recover well and soon!


Uiltjie - you okes sure it's called "nursing"  :jerk: :wink:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on January 17, 2007, 06:11:36 pm
Gerry, tell us more...please share my bru.
Title: Dakar
Post by: Gerry on January 18, 2007, 09:45:02 am
Not much to tell , other than talking to some friendly dealers and people I developed friendship with over the years .

Its the old story , every one is full of support , until they actually have to put their money where their mouth is .

But undetterred I continue the quest !!
Title: Re: Dakar
Post by: Welsh on January 18, 2007, 10:08:48 am
Quote from: "Gerry"

But undetterred I continue the quest !!



GERRY, GERRY, GERRY, GERRY .........

Welsh  :D  :D  :D  :D

 
People too weak to follow their own dreams will always find a way to discourage yours.
Title: Re: Dakar
Post by: Lito on January 18, 2007, 10:56:25 am
Quote from: "African Welsh"

 
People too weak to follow their own dreams will always find a way to discourage yours.


thats a fooking great quote Welsh   8)  8)  8)
Title: Dakar
Post by: Gerry on January 18, 2007, 11:03:13 am
I Know  !

There are so many people in the world , that'll happily take 10 minutes to tell you why they cant do a 1 minute job !

As they say , that is human nature .

That is why you get so many followers and so few leaders .
People are not willing to be the path finder , just in case its a stuff up , and they are laughed at or shamed in some way .

I've had my nose flattened and my teeth broken , but it has'nt taught me a lesson yet !

My motto is " what if I'd never tried ? "  

I get so much pleasure at showing others what I've discovered ......

Meantime , I continue the quest undaunted by human nature !
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Jaqhama on January 18, 2007, 12:09:38 pm
Me mate Chris is now postion 69.

If he and the bike are doing OK I reckon he'll take it easy and just concentrate on riding carefully and making it to Dakar.

Only a few days to go.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Plothond on January 18, 2007, 12:25:16 pm
Quote
Me mate Chris is now postion 69.


When I started reading this, I thought you meant he was "fooked"
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: LuckyStriker on January 18, 2007, 01:53:49 pm
Quote from: "Jaqhama"
Me and my mate Chris is now doing postion 69.

Fixed!!
Title: Re: Dakar
Post by: Jaqhama on January 18, 2007, 04:02:13 pm
Quote from: "Gerry"
I Know  !

There are so many people in the world , that'll happily take 10 minutes to tell you why they cant do a 1 minute job !

As they say , that is human nature .

That is why you get so many followers and so few leaders .
People are not willing to be the path finder , just in case its a stuff up , and they are laughed at or shamed in some way .

I've had my nose flattened and my teeth broken , but it has'nt taught me a lesson yet !

My motto is " what if I'd never tried ? "  

I get so much pleasure at showing others what I've discovered ......

Meantime , I continue the quest undaunted by human nature !


I thought it might have at least encouraged you to take up some form of self-defence training or boxing? :D
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Jaqhama on January 18, 2007, 04:04:52 pm
Quote from: "LuckyStriker"
Quote from: "Jaqhama"
Me and my mate Chris is now doing postion 69.

Fixed!!


I knew someone would eventually pick up on the number. :roll:  :P
Title: Go Oz
Post by: SGB on January 18, 2007, 04:19:33 pm
The Dakar is moving towards the end now, and only the finest (with a little luck in some cases) are left in the race.

Follow our Durban friend, Oz Bestel.  #220.  When I last looked he was about halfway through the special and going strong.  You're the man Oz!!  8)   Oz went out there for a finisher badge - and things seem to be working out.  GO!!!!!!!!

And Tom Classen # 146 of course, I don't know him personally, but he is the only other SA biker left - and in an amazingly good 21st overall position.  Read some articles about him - RESPECT....  Go manne!  :shock:

And the guys who had to withdraw due to mechanical, physical or whatever hassles - sad that you have to stand back after all the effort.  Next year!....  :?
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Lito on January 18, 2007, 04:25:19 pm
Tom is the man... damn! Go Oz!

Flipping heck, we have some hero's man

Great respect - well done for your mate Jaq 8)
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: chrisB on January 18, 2007, 05:55:44 pm
did u guy's check the ladies last night on the dakar update? One mentioned that she lost (torn of or something) all but one fingernail her hands all taped up but she keeps on going! :shock:  RESPECT ! Give a new meaning to "pretty but tough"  :notworthy:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Kev on January 18, 2007, 06:00:27 pm
Annie Seel I think. She is tough. And Ludovine Puy... quite a cutey me thinks.  :P
Title: Dakar
Post by: Gerry on January 18, 2007, 07:27:20 pm
Tom Classen a south african plumber came 4th on todays special .  In his interview he says if he ever wins a stage he'll dedicate it to Elmer . How nice .

Any one who knows Tom will know how fit and strong he is , and what a sacrifice he and his family have made to get there .

I just hope all goes well for the 2 of them for the rest of the event .

Dont forget the 2 SA guys in cars , Ralph Pitchford , the Beta dealer in SA is currently in 5th and Gineal , despite being a whole day behind is 12th !

We breed talent in SA !!

All the best to all these guys , they deserve it .
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: SGB on January 18, 2007, 07:48:54 pm
Interview with Oz today:

To the question ?is it the most difficult event you ever participated in??, Oz Bestel takes a long time reflecting before answering: ?probably, because it?s so long??. It has to be said that the strong South-African is used to physical effort and challenges. Having participated in triathlons and canoe raids, Oz knows the true meaning of pain.

The businessman discovered raids pretty late, just a few years ago, on TV. After deciding to take on the big challenge, Oz went to see his friend from Durban, Alfie Cox, a reference on the Dakar. This was an opportunity to hear the precious advise of the biker who finished 3rd of the rally in 1999 and 2005 and ? more importantly ? o test for the first time driving on a KTM 660.

His beautiful bike, which had just come out of its wrapping before the rally, had it all on the trails of Morocco, Mauritania and even Portugal. ?I started by hitting a tree in the very first special stage but I kept going. On the Tan Tan stage, I had to take a dive to avoid a car rushing at me but it nevertheless drove on the front of my bike. The navigation instruments are pretty damaged.? And when it?s not a car, it?s a biker who almost broke Oz?s dream to get to Dakar. ?I was driving at night on my way to Nema and in camel grass I collided with my friend Mike Hughes?. By a strange irony of fate, Mike is the English biker Oz spends long hours with during the special stages.

The famous spirit of the Dakar, mainly between bikers, helped the South-African rookie well. ?On the way to Atar, Gauthier de Hautecloque, who is often ? as I am ? at the end of the pack, showed me how to navigate. And I gave him a hand in the dunes where he?s less good. I also drive with Philippe Tonin quite often. He doesn?t speak English and I speak even less French but we talk in sign language.?

136th out of 141 bikers still in the race, Oz Bestel is proud of what he has accomplished so far and particularly of these longest nights finishing in the African darkness. ?I accepted the fact of having to drive at night and nothing can ever make me quit!?
Title: Dakar
Post by: Gerry on January 19, 2007, 08:56:46 am
Oz's comments makes one proud to be a south african !
Title: Re: Dakar
Post by: Welsh on January 19, 2007, 09:07:01 am
Quote from: "Gerry"
Oz's comments makes one proud to be a south african !


Sorry to Hijack,
But how are you doing with the storms?

Welsh  8)
Title: Dakar
Post by: Gerry on January 19, 2007, 11:37:04 am
We had a bit of strong winds yesterday in Hereford and Gloucester , but not too much rain .

Today is a fantastic day , I was out for a walk in Tee shirt , denims and takkies .

No wind , sunny skies .

But it looks like some of UK was really clubbed hard , also power down , roads still blocked with trucks trying to get onto ferrys etc .

Lots of rail services in the south , east and north still staggering along trying to get up to speed .

But fortunately all is good in our neck of the woods .
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Kev on January 19, 2007, 11:42:25 am
We had crazy winds yesterday... 140km/ where I was, and it was gusting at over 200km/h. Germany got hit VERY hard too. All the trains were not running. Big mess in the weather systems here in Europe at the moment.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Lito on January 19, 2007, 03:55:31 pm
thats insane Kevin.... damn.

Global warming - the day after tomorrow - and all that stuff, is fast becoming a reality no?

Back on track tho- I am so proud of Oz- I have deep respect for him and he sounds like a good bloke too!  8)  8)  8)  8)  8)
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Kev on January 19, 2007, 04:03:23 pm
Coma is out!!!  :shock:

11:38 - bike
1 - It?s all over for Coma...
No. 1, MARC COMA - KTM, SUPER PRODUCTION
Having lost his direction after 34 km of the day?s special stage, and whilst he was following a track parallel to the ideal route, leader of the general rankings Spaniard Marc Coma, has crashed after 57 km of the special stage and has been taken back to the bivouac by helicopter.


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1 - News about Coma
No. 1, MARC COMA - KTM, SUPER PRODUCTION
Following a crash after 57 km of the day?s special stage, Spanish rider Marc Coma is suffering from a head injury. However, the Spaniard did not lose consciousness and was able to speak with Team Manager Jordi Arcarons, before being transported to Dakar to undergo further examinations.
Title: My heroin
Post by: Kev on January 19, 2007, 04:16:46 pm
Anne-Charlotte Tilliette. Big respect to this girl.

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Once she was a small girl, later a teenager and now a young woman. But above all Anne-Charlotte Tilliette has always been a biker. While the other girls were playing with dolls and at tea parties, her eyes were already shining looking at the pictures of the Dakar, a race in which her father G√?¬©rard participated four times in the eighties. Logically, Anne-Charlotte quickly abandoned her bicycle and her training wheels for small motorcycles. She was fourteen years old when, with her father on a bike and her mother in a 4x4, she took part in her first rally raids in the Moroccan desert.

For this child of Enduro races, addicted to motorbikes and to the desert, the ultimate challenge is obvious. But to have a go on the Dakar, she first had to convince her father to come and guide her in the dunes: ?If I had not insisted, my father would certainly not have raced the Dakar once again, but I could not imagine starting without him. His presence reassures me.?

At the end, it did not take her too long to persuade her father. Twenty-year-old Anne-Charlotte will be the youngest competitor on the Rally, in the most physically challenging category, and without any assistance! But strength and determination do not necessarily equal age. This apprentice?s great composure inspires confidence: ?I understand people?s reactions. I am a woman, and this is a disadvantage on a bike because this sport is very demanding, particularly in the sand. Moreover, my father has decided we would not bring any electric-motor starter. But everyday I practice a lot to improve my endurance: I ride a bicycle, I jog and a do some weight-lifting because the bikes are very heavy. Regarding the bike, we?ve already been in Morocco this year to test it ourselves. We made a six-day trial during which we hardly slept and rode 700 km daily. We did it the hard way.?
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: LuckyStriker on January 19, 2007, 04:33:53 pm
Respect!

What is it with French women? Why do they all have to be so damned beautiful! Thankfully they're not as clever as South African women or us males would be kept as mere sex objects and mechanics

sorry...is this a hijack?
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Kev on January 19, 2007, 04:48:12 pm
Quote from: "LuckyStriker"
What is it with French women? Why do they all have to be so damned beautiful!

 
Another Dakar girly: Ludivine Puy
 
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Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Lito on January 19, 2007, 05:21:49 pm
Hear hear! Lawd, I love these French wimmin - good lookin and capable!

Friggin heck - note to self: go to the paris dakar race and go check the babes! screw camps bay  :lol:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Lito on January 19, 2007, 05:23:53 pm
Shoot! Marc Coma - what a freken legend  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
Title: Dakar
Post by: Gerry on January 19, 2007, 06:24:56 pm
Coma hit a lurking tree stump that catapulted him into a tree , he was groggy , then lost conciousness .  :(  Medics have sent him to Dakar hospital .  :(

They say he did'nt know what happened , same with Istre he also did'nt know what happened . When I did my Lesotho dismount , I too was'nt sure what happened or where I was , still have no recollection of the crash . I remember lying on the ground , knowing my bloody colar bone was broken again though !!!

Tom seems to have got a penalty for not waiting the full 15 minutes at the fuel stop ,  :oops:  oh what a silly mistake !!!! :oops:

I see he won his class today , despite the penalty that dropped him to 6th on stage , instead of 2nd.

Oz is still thundering along slow and steady , good for him !  :lol:  Tomorrow another critical day , last day , although timed is really just a cruise , no one wants to toss it on the last day !
Title: Re: Dakar
Post by: koplamp on January 24, 2007, 03:38:12 pm
Quote from: "Gerry"
Coma hit a lurking tree stump that catapulted him into a tree , he was groggy , then lost conciousness .  :(  Medics have sent him to Dakar hospital .  :(

They say he did'nt know what happened , same with Istre he also did'nt know what happened . When I did my Lesotho dismount , I too was'nt sure what happened or where I was , still have no recollection of the crash . I remember lying on the ground , knowing my bloody colar bone was broken again though !!!

Tom seems to have got a penalty for not waiting the full 15 minutes at the fuel stop ,  :oops:  oh what a silly mistake !!!! :oops:

I see he won his class today , despite the penalty that dropped him to 6th on stage , instead of 2nd.

Oz is still thundering along slow and steady , good for him !  :lol:  Tomorrow another critical day , last day , although timed is really just a cruise , no one wants to toss it on the last day !


Any news on Coma?
Title: Re: Dakar
Post by: Kev on January 24, 2007, 03:42:50 pm
Quote from: "koplamp"
Any news on Coma?

 
He is fine. He was at the finish in Dakar chatting to Cyril Despres... he just had a slight concussion.
Title: Re: Dakar
Post by: koplamp on January 24, 2007, 04:08:36 pm
Quote from: "Kev"
Quote from: "koplamp"
Any news on Coma?

 
He is fine. He was at the finish in Dakar chatting to Cyril Despres... he just had a slight concussion.


Kev, the oke must be "flenters"? Shame.
Title: Re: Dakar
Post by: Kev on January 24, 2007, 04:11:16 pm
Quote from: "koplamp"
Quote from: "Kev"
Quote from: "koplamp"
Any news on Coma?

 
He is fine. He was at the finish in Dakar chatting to Cyril Despres... he just had a slight concussion.


Kev, the oke must be "flenters"? Shame.

 
That is the nature of the game. You win some, you lose some. It is how the coockie crumbles and the mop flops.
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: koplamp on January 24, 2007, 04:30:02 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J64lHJgMltI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHhuOP4wHKM

Check it out... :headbang:
Title: Dakar 2007
Post by: Jaqhama on January 25, 2007, 09:38:14 am
My freind Chris Varju said in an email he sent me today that for him the Dakar passed very quickly.

He had a good ride, without too many major dramas.

Second Dakar and this time he got there.

Good stuff.
Title: Dakar
Post by: Gerry on January 25, 2007, 01:51:23 pm
Coma is a tough bloke .

Never forget , he won the world championships in 2006 !

So , yes it is a big blow not to finish 2007 , but for this year any way he is number 1 .

Good luck to all of them , they certainly deserve their finishers badges !