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General => About South Africa... => Topic started by: chicco on December 23, 2009, 08:15:18 pm

Title: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: chicco on December 23, 2009, 08:15:18 pm
Im currently visiting family staying in the gamtoos valley. This area must have some of the best riding places in SA, Baviaans, Elandsrivier, to name a few. My family knows all the farmers and private roads in the area and I enquired about a private road from Kouga dam to Kareedouw, the owner, Merwe du Preez never had a problem when bikers and 4x4's used this road as long as they close the gates behind them. This road is now off limits for bikers after the gates havent been closed after they entered, on 2 occations. I hope these bikers were non WD members, this happened during November 2009.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Pistonpete on December 23, 2009, 09:22:42 pm
Stick to the rule that a gate must be closed if a stone is placed on the gatepost! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: buzzlightyear on December 23, 2009, 10:13:32 pm
If a gate was closed I close it again, if it was open I leave it open.  :thumleft:

Have never heard about the stone on the gatepost thing, PP?
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Ganjora on December 23, 2009, 11:13:01 pm
how did he know it was 'bikers' that disturbed the sacred gate protocol???[

quote author=chicco link=topic=42514.msg830426#msg830426 date=1261592118]
Im currently visiting family staying in the gamtoos valley. This area must have some of the best riding places in SA, Baviaans, Elandsrivier, to name a few. My family knows all the farmers and private roads in the area and I enquired about a private road from Kouga dam to Kareedouw, the owner, Merwe du Preez never had a problem when bikers and 4x4's used this road as long as they close the gates behind them. This road is now off limits for bikers after the gates havent been closed after they entered, on 2 occations. I hope these bikers were non WD members, this happened during November 2009.
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Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Fudmucker on December 24, 2009, 02:48:38 pm
I suppose if okes in 4x4's also failed to cloe the gate twice, then the owner would ban 4x4's as well...?

I'm not trying to excuse the alleged biker's actions, but I think that many people want to find a reason to stop bikers riding somewhere.
I mean, all bikers are dirty rotten scum, aren't they?   >:(
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: chicco on December 25, 2009, 05:42:53 pm
He saw the tracks the next day, and a local staying at the dam saw the bikes passing, there is only one road going in and out.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Doggone on December 25, 2009, 06:55:43 pm
Ironically , the bikers being sactioned haven't been there yet, so he is banning bikers that haven't done anything wrong! ???

I suppose it is generally the few that stuff it up for the many! >:(

Also never heard of the stone on the gatepost ???
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on December 25, 2009, 08:34:20 pm
Or the gatepost under the stone.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Rittelin (RIP) on December 25, 2009, 10:23:04 pm
Quote
If a gate was closed I close it again, if it was open I leave it open. 

Have never heard about the stone on the gatepost thing, PP?

Ditto!!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Fudmucker on December 25, 2009, 10:23:53 pm
What happened to having signs that say:
"PLEASE CLOSE THE GATE"
Are farmers illiterate these days ???
Stones on gateposts...  :patch:
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Trailrider on December 25, 2009, 10:35:06 pm
The stone on the gatepost is a known method groups of bikes / 4x4's use with regard to gates. It works like this:

Group of bikes / 4x4's travel together with some distance between them, lets say 2 minutes apart. The 1st vehicle stops, opens the gate and places a stone on the gate post to let the last vehicle know that the gate was closed and should be closed again. If the last vehicle approaches a gate ans there is no stone on the gate post he knows that the gate was open to begin with and should be left open.

This method would obviously not be used if there are livestock in the immediate vicinity of the closed gate.

Another method bikers use is the so called "D" formation. The leader always leads and the sweeper is always last. The rider riding second opens the gate for the leader and stays at the gate to let everybody through. As soon as the sweeper rides through he stops and waits for the gate to be closed. The rider that opened the gate then rides with the sweeper (who is always last) following. This rider now does not have to open a gate again until he progressed to being the 2nd bike again.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on December 25, 2009, 10:39:14 pm
Not all gates must be closed nessecarily, the farmer leaves some open for livestock movement sometimes.
I always close a gate if I found it closed,and leave it open if I found it open.If the driver/rider before me
neglected to close the gate, I become part of the fault-chain.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Trailrider on December 25, 2009, 10:42:38 pm

Not all gates must be closed necessarily, the farmer leaves some open for livestock movement sometimes.


Hence the need for a sign.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on December 25, 2009, 10:55:57 pm
A sign saying what?
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Trailrider on December 25, 2009, 10:56:55 pm
No man ;D A sign like the stone on the gatepost to let you know if it should be left open or closed!
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: chicco on December 25, 2009, 11:07:16 pm
there is now a sign, "no entry".
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Fudmucker on December 26, 2009, 09:56:44 am
No man ;D A sign like the stone on the gatepost to let you know if it should be left open or closed!

..unless the stone falls off the gatepost!

The "D-formation" works best - always use it - for direction changes and gates on tar or dirt... :thumleft:
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: GO GIRL on December 28, 2009, 01:21:33 pm
I would like to 'put my head on a block" and say that i doubt that they were WDs....

All the times that I have ridden out with us WDs each gate has been closed after accessing it.. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Pistonpete on December 28, 2009, 08:31:11 pm
Nah....i think we missed one or two along the way...it happens ;D
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on December 28, 2009, 10:06:58 pm
Bigger toolbox to also now include a boltcutter.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Beagle Boy on December 29, 2009, 12:03:30 pm
Bigger toolbox to also now include a boltcutter.
That'll close more roads for us ..... may even get us shot at ...... you go boy!!  >:D
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Trailrider on December 29, 2009, 12:06:34 pm
Bigger toolbox to also now include a boltcutter.
That'll close more roads for us ..... may even get us shot at ...... you go boy!!  >:D

Agreed. That kind of thing can have no good consequences for anybody.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Pistonpete on December 29, 2009, 12:52:54 pm
Bigger toolbox to also now include a boltcutter.
That'll close more roads for us ..... may even get us shot at ...... you go boy!!  >:D

Agreed. That kind of thing can have no good consequences for anybody.
It was military grounds so its ok :salut:
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Would I? on December 29, 2009, 12:56:47 pm
Bigger toolbox to also now include a boltcutter.
That'll close more roads for us ..... may even get us shot at ...... you go boy!!  >:D

Agreed. That kind of thing can have no good consequences for anybody.
It was military grounds so its ok :salut:

It is not a bolt cutter....... it is a master key :)
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Pistonpete on December 29, 2009, 12:57:28 pm
Bigger toolbox to also now include a boltcutter.
That'll close more roads for us ..... may even get us shot at ...... you go boy!!  >:D

Agreed. That kind of thing can have no good consequences for anybody.
It was military grounds so its ok :salut:

It is not a bolt cutter....... it is a master key :)
[/quote
Actually it was two tyre levers!
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on December 29, 2009, 03:27:24 pm
he was just looking for excuse

i'm sorry but i have never heard "a d00s in a car has done this all cars are now banned" ???

it just a lekker excuse  :-\
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on December 29, 2009, 09:32:14 pm
I tend to agree with BobNob on this.
I was joking about the boltcutter, it"s too heavy to lug around.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Trokkie on December 30, 2009, 08:12:09 am
What happened to having signs that say:
"PLEASE CLOSE THE GATE"
Are farmers illiterate these days ???
Stones on gateposts...  :patch:

What about a sign that says: "BREATHE OR YOU WILL DIE"

Are you literate, why should he put uo signs for others' lack of commensence?
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on December 30, 2009, 08:49:03 am
Signs along N1,etc, reading "120", few people can read those!
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Trailrider on December 30, 2009, 09:09:06 am
What happened to having signs that say:
"PLEASE CLOSE THE GATE"
Are farmers illiterate these days ???
Stones on gateposts...  :patch:

Farmers don't put stones on gateposts. Travelers do so that every person doesn't have to open and close the gate.


he was just looking for excuse

i'm sorry but i have never heard "a d00s in a car has done this all cars are now banned" ???

it just a lekker excuse  :-\

Very few cars drive around on farmer's lands for fun. Banning bikes takes away 90% of the problem for them (the other 10% being 4x4's).

BUT

The 90% being banned suffer because only 5% of them have no manners. :-\
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on December 30, 2009, 09:31:15 am
Bikers should stand together and somehow frame the quadriders!
I am sure it was them, cunningly riding on 2 wheels only so the farmer thinks it"s a bike!
4-wiel glyjakkalse!!!
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Trailrider on December 30, 2009, 10:08:05 am
Bikers should stand together and somehow frame the quadriders!
I am sure it was them, cunningly riding on 2 wheels only so the farmer thinks it"s a bike!
4-wiel glyjakkalse!!!

 :laughing4:

lekker lag ek nou ;D
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: chicco on December 30, 2009, 11:36:41 am
the newly posted "no entry, private property" sign on his gates applies to any person, on a bike, car, bakkie, 4x4, quad, horse or on foot. He isnt targeting the bikes, he's targeting everyone because of bikers.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: oo7 on December 30, 2009, 11:45:12 am
Bikers should stand together and somehow frame the quadriders!
I am sure it was them, cunningly riding on 2 wheels only so the farmer thinks it"s a bike!
4-wiel glyjakkalse!!!

 :laughing4:

lekker lag ek nou ;D

+1  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on December 31, 2009, 08:24:11 pm
I sincerely hope the sign also keep out farm murderers, who now might notice how quiet his farm"s become!
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Inglsman on December 31, 2009, 09:04:30 pm
what? like "please place the stone on the pole?"
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: nemodakar on January 03, 2010, 07:14:22 pm
Ive known oom Merwe for 40+ years and if you are decent enough to ask, you will be allowed to enter his farm. If he's not there ask any local where you can find Frikkie his son.
They are salt of the earth, respect for private property will get you everywhere!
As far as I know it was guys from J'bay on plastic bikes .
No WD on that ride.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: chicco on January 03, 2010, 08:37:37 pm
Ive known oom Merwe for 40+ years and if you are decent enough to ask, you will be allowed to enter his farm. If he's not there ask any local where you can find Frikkie his son.
They are salt of the earth, respect for private property will get you everywhere!
As far as I know it was guys from J'bay on plastic bikes .
No WD on that ride.


 :thumleft: I did just that and got permission, do you know Oom Wessel Smit from Smitskraal, he stayes in a house just outside Kouga dam?
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: nemodakar on January 03, 2010, 09:32:20 pm
Chicco hi
I more than likely do, but can't put a face to the name . I do how ever know the Cambria clan.
Petrus van der Watt, owner of the Kudum kaya and Tiekkie Smith. How do you slot in with oom Merwe and co?
Let us know when next you are in the valley.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: chicco on January 04, 2010, 01:21:32 pm
Met him throught oom wessel, my brother is also the pastor in Hankie and he knows most of the farmers in the area, most of the Ferreira's is in his church.

I'm planning a trip down during march/april.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: SmuGS on January 04, 2010, 05:50:42 pm
Bikers should stand together and somehow frame the quadriders!
I am sure it was them, cunningly riding on 2 wheels only so the farmer thinks it"s a bike!
4-wiel glyjakkalse!!!

Hey Dan go easy on the quad bikers, Im a WD but also happen to ride a quad which is also a 2 stroke  :ricky:
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Inglsman on January 04, 2010, 06:28:21 pm
Bikers should stand together and somehow frame the quadriders!
I am sure it was them, cunningly riding on 2 wheels only so the farmer thinks it"s a bike!
4-wiel glyjakkalse!!!


Hey Dan go easy on the quad bikers, Im a WD but also happen to ride a quad which is also a 2 stroke  :ricky:




but duz it do it on two wheels???

If so, we might havva da culprit...
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: nemodakar on January 04, 2010, 09:14:34 pm
Met him throught oom wessel, my brother is also the pastor in Hankie and he knows most of the farmers in the area, most of the Ferreira's is in his church.

I'm planning a trip down during march/april.

[Your brother lives at most 4km from me , will be deaply disturbed if you do not give us a call. home nr 042 2840738
cel          0824255960/quote]
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 04, 2010, 09:41:07 pm
Briane, if it"s a 2stroke, you"re o.k.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: GlenInk on January 04, 2010, 09:59:34 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:  Dan I bought my IT 200 from Briane and I will agree with you that he`s ok  :thumleft: He rode that IT 2 smoke for 19 years and it still goes very very well !  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Etienne2T on January 04, 2010, 10:31:59 pm
No need for a bolt cutter, two tyre levers do the job.
We use the stone on the post method when riding in groups to let the people behind u know to close ze gate
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: bronzy on January 11, 2010, 08:32:57 pm
What do you do if the gate is locked
Bash the lock off with the rock ??
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Trailrider on January 12, 2010, 12:57:27 am
Then it's private land and you respect that fact.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Footloose on January 16, 2010, 02:06:20 pm
Couldn't agree more with Trial Rider. It is all about respect for others property
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Pistonpete on January 16, 2010, 02:21:05 pm
Its all circumstantial... :)
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: SmuGS on February 09, 2010, 06:32:37 pm
Got rid of my quad so I'm off the hook.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 09, 2010, 07:38:13 pm
Then it's private land and you respect that fact.

i have found locked gates on public roads?

public roads do go through private land sometime  :-\
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Pistonpete on February 10, 2010, 02:59:14 pm
Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.. :)

This could be challanging standing there with a broken lock & chain & your boltcutter/tyrelevers though... ;D
Try pushing the fence down & propping it back up again...thats stealth riding ne?
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Trokkie on February 10, 2010, 03:59:56 pm
Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.. :)

This could be challanging standing there with a broken lock & chain & your boltcutter/tyrelevers though... ;D
Try pushing the fence down & propping it back up again...thats stealth riding ne?
Have a look at the topic of this thread and rethink what you just wrote
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Trokkie on February 10, 2010, 04:00:57 pm
Then it's private land and you respect that fact.

i have found locked gates on public roads?

public roads do go through private land sometime  :-\

Not all roads that appear on maps are public roads
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: bradleys on February 10, 2010, 04:38:06 pm
 :peepwall: :coffee2: :happy1:
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 10, 2010, 04:54:58 pm
Then it's private land and you respect that fact.

i have found locked gates on public roads?

public roads do go through private land sometime  :-\

Not all roads that appear on maps are public roads

And not all roads with a locked gate is a private road
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Pistonpete on February 10, 2010, 04:57:17 pm
Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.. :)

This could be challanging standing there with a broken lock & chain & your boltcutter/tyrelevers though... ;D
Try pushing the fence down & propping it back up again...thats stealth riding ne?
Have a look at the topic of this thread and rethink what you just wrote
No worries....i do like a little anarchy on here occasionaly. lol
I've never broken a lock or fence ever....i have friends who do it for me...
Is it the HP2 thing?
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: BlueBull2007 on February 10, 2010, 09:34:20 pm
Break the locks on my property and IŽll be sure to take your bike ;D YouŽll get it back after a long drama with all kinds of problems.


BobNob has a point: sometimes servitudes are locked, that different.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Pistonpete on February 10, 2010, 10:59:40 pm
Break the locks on my property and IŽll be sure to take your bike ;D YouŽll get it back after a long drama with all kinds of problems.


BobNob has a point: sometimes servitudes are locked, that different.
My only reference is an old SADF bombing & training ground.....fair game?
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: BlueBull2007 on February 11, 2010, 01:23:42 am
Fair game ou boet ;D Hows things in Slaapstad this year anyway?
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Pistonpete on February 11, 2010, 06:19:42 am
The Cape economy is booming, customers are making instant decisions, the woman are willing and we all tell the truth... ;D
Nah...its all ok down here. The place is looking beautiful & i'm off to the Cederberg to rescue a bike this weekend :) A bmw...
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: charlw on June 10, 2010, 12:46:52 am
nooit
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Dustdevil on October 25, 2010, 09:27:09 pm
Should you break open a locked gate?

Then it's private land and you respect that fact.


Not necessary >:( There are plenty of lesser used secondary roads that are locked by farmers because they feel they have a right to do so. As far as I know there must be a sign at the start of the route indicating that the road has been deproclamated and is now a private road. If the farmers neglected this obvious requirement then it becomes impossible for them to prosecute should they find you on their property.

I recently found myself behind a locked gate but on the wrong side. So by the time I reached this gate I was already trespassing. ???
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Pistonpete on October 25, 2010, 11:03:09 pm
Revival?
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: chicco on October 26, 2010, 03:39:12 pm
There is actually a law on fencing and gates...google it :thumleft:

FENCING ACT
NO. 31 OF 1963
[ASSENTED TO 27 APRIL, 1963]
[DATE OF COMMENCEMENT: 3 MAY, 1963]
(Afrikaans text signed by the State President)

This Act has been updated to Government Gazette 13341 dated 28 June, 1991.   

as amended by
Land Bank Amendment Act, No. 5 of 1968
[with effect from 6 March, 1968]
Fencing Amendment Act, No. 3 of 1971
Fencing Amendment Act, No. 4 of 1978
Transfer of Powers and Duties of the State President Act, No. 97 of 1986
[with effect from 3 October, 1986]
Abolition of Racially Based Land Measures Act, No. 108 of 1991

ACT
To consolidate the laws relating to fences and the fencing of farms and other holdings and matters incidental thereto.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Pistonpete on October 26, 2010, 04:01:51 pm
There is actually a law on fencing and gates...google it :thumleft:

FENCING ACT
NO. 31 OF 1963
[ASSENTED TO 27 APRIL, 1963]
[DATE OF COMMENCEMENT: 3 MAY, 1963]
(Afrikaans text signed by the State President)

This Act has been updated to Government Gazette 13341 dated 28 June, 1991.   

as amended by
Land Bank Amendment Act, No. 5 of 1968
[with effect from 6 March, 1968]
Fencing Amendment Act, No. 3 of 1971
Fencing Amendment Act, No. 4 of 1978
Transfer of Powers and Duties of the State President Act, No. 97 of 1986
[with effect from 3 October, 1986]
Abolition of Racially Based Land Measures Act, No. 108 of 1991

ACT
To consolidate the laws relating to fences and the fencing of farms and other holdings and matters incidental thereto.

Give us a precis mate....no ones gonna read through that lot... ;D
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Drusky on October 26, 2010, 06:13:17 pm
In my experience, treating people as you would like to be treated goes a long way. You can argue a thing like this in all sorts of directions but at the end of the day you must acknowledge what you want and what the other person wants.

I want to explore, the Oom wants to control access to his land. The gate is locked, now people are forced to go to him and request permission to enjoy his property.

Even if the road did not belong to him, he has more right to control it than you because he has to live there. You're just having fun for a day. It would be a different story if you needed to use the road in the course of business.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Pistonpete on October 26, 2010, 06:20:09 pm
In my experience, treating people as you would like to be treated goes a long way. You can argue a thing like this in all sorts of directions but at the end of the day you must acknowledge what you want and what the other person wants.

I want to explore, the Oom wants to control access to his land. The gate is locked, now people are forced to go to him and request permission to enjoy his property.

Even if the road did not belong to him, he has more right to control it than you because he has to live there. You're just having fun for a day. It would be a different story if you needed to use the road in the course of business.
A lot of time, money, research etc goes into our sport, passion, hobby & lifestyle.....no one has the 'right' to close public roads off. Yes i respect all to!
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: chicco on October 26, 2010, 07:47:45 pm
19.   Access to land by authorized persons for certain purposes.—Any person authorized by the Department of Agricultural Technical Services acting through an officer delegated thereto by the Minister, and any person appointed or nominated to determine a dispute in accordance with the provisions of the Second Schedule, may enter upon any land and value, measure, survey, take grades and levels, fell trees, cut fences and do all other acts necessary for the purpose of inspection, valuation or survey or of carrying out any provision of this Act

OK now where do I get an Appointment... :mwink:

22.   Leaving gates open.—Any person who—
   (a)   opens and leaves open or unfastened; or
   (b)   finding open on passing through, neglects to shut and fasten,
a gate in any fence shall be guilty of an offence and liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding fifty rand or, in default of payment, to imprisonment for a period not exceeding three months or, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to such imprisonment without the option of a fine.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Bie on November 26, 2010, 08:51:27 am
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i have found locked gates on public roads

I am also a farmer and also guilty as charged above. What happened here is where an area was depopulated over a period of time. In the past it was possible to make a living on a smaller farm, but in order to survive in farming today you have to expand. The result is that land that used to belong to several farmers are now combined and owned by one or two. At the time that it belonged to several farmers all of them needed access, hence the public road leading there.

To keep unwanted persons off these uninhabited farms the few farmers owning land there decide to lock the first gate and they all get a key, or get to put in their own lock in the chain. It is definitely not with the intention of keeping bikers out as although it infuriates any farmer that finds a gate left open that is not the main problem. Unwanted bakkies loading sheep / equipment is the problem and they are targeted.

I however doubt whether the average person understands the consequences of leaving a gate open has. There can be huge financial implications when different breeds of stock in adjoining camps mix and mate. By the time the farmer sees the open gate it is too late. 5 months later you have a lot of mongrel lambs and that is without the added burdon of getting in all the stock of both camps and classing it all out again. Two day's work and loss of income due to basters, simply because a fool did not take the 2 minutes to stop and close a gate.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Pistonpete on November 26, 2010, 04:28:29 pm
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i have found locked gates on public roads

I am also a farmer and also guilty as charged above. What happened here is where an area was depopulated over a period of time. In the past it was possible to make a living on a smaller farm, but in order to survive in farming today you have to expand. The result is that land that used to belong to several farmers are now combined and owned by one or two. At the time that it belonged to several farmers all of them needed access, hence the public road leading there.

To keep unwanted persons off these uninhabited farms the few farmers owning land there decide to lock the first gate and they all get a key, or get to put in their own lock in the chain. It is definitely not with the intention of keeping bikers out as although it infuriates any farmer that finds a gate left open that is not the main problem. Unwanted bakkies loading sheep / equipment is the problem and they are targeted.

I however doubt whether the average person understands the consequences of leaving a gate open has. There can be huge financial implications when different breeds of stock in adjoining camps mix and mate. By the time the farmer sees the open gate it is too late. 5 months later you have a lot of mongrel lambs and that is without the added burdon of getting in all the stock of both camps and classing it all out again. Two day's work and loss of income due to basters, simply because a fool did not take the 2 minutes to stop and close a gate.
Sounds like your critters were at the Sexpo... ;D
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: letsgofishing on November 26, 2010, 04:34:30 pm
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i have found locked gates on public roads

I am also a farmer and also guilty as charged above. What happened here is where an area was depopulated over a period of time. In the past it was possible to make a living on a smaller farm, but in order to survive in farming today you have to expand. The result is that land that used to belong to several farmers are now combined and owned by one or two. At the time that it belonged to several farmers all of them needed access, hence the public road leading there.

To keep unwanted persons off these uninhabited farms the few farmers owning land there decide to lock the first gate and they all get a key, or get to put in their own lock in the chain. It is definitely not with the intention of keeping bikers out as although it infuriates any farmer that finds a gate left open that is not the main problem. Unwanted bakkies loading sheep / equipment is the problem and they are targeted.

I however doubt whether the average person understands the consequences of leaving a gate open has. There can be huge financial implications when different breeds of stock in adjoining camps mix and mate. By the time the farmer sees the open gate it is too late. 5 months later you have a lot of mongrel lambs and that is without the added burdon of getting in all the stock of both camps and classing it all out again. Two day's work and loss of income due to basters, simply because a fool did not take the 2 minutes to stop and close a gate.

Thats a very valid point you make Bie.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: chicco on November 26, 2010, 04:38:10 pm
Jonas, hoekom spyker jy die skape so?  hau oubaas...die hek hom hy was dan oop....
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Bie on November 27, 2010, 09:23:47 am
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Sounds like your critters were at the Sexpo

The grass is always greener on the other side. Look at it this way - You are at a nudist resort with French models in an adjoining camp on one side and Brazillian beauties on the other side. You are done and dusted with all the girls you had in the camp with you and is waiting for a new challenge. Then someone comes on his merry way, leaving open the very gates denying you access to said neighbours.....   >:D

Will you pay them a courtesy visit or rather run to the furthest corner of your own camp to stay out of harm's way?  :3some:

Come to think of it, in a next life I would like to be a ram.
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 28, 2010, 06:55:45 pm
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Sounds like your critters were at the Sexpo

The grass is always greener on the other side. Look at it this way - You are at a nudist resort with French models in an adjoining camp on one side and Brazillian beauties on the other side. You are done and dusted with all the girls you had in the camp with you and is waiting for a new challenge. Then someone comes on his merry way, leaving open the very gates denying you access to said neighbours.....   >:D

Will you pay them a courtesy visit or rather run to the furthest corner of your own camp to stay out of harm's way?  :3some:

Come to think of it, in a next life I would like to be a ram.
En dan besluit jou baas jy sal beter wees as net n koggelram!!!! :imaposer: :imaposer:
Ek wil wragtag nie n koggelram wees nie!!!
Title: Re: Bikers spoil it for others.
Post by: Rob Monster on January 21, 2013, 08:36:14 am
Ja nee, al die werk doen en niks kry nie :drif: