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Title: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Zabor on December 29, 2009, 06:43:28 pm
Hi all Dogs..

I'm new to this site. I'm looking for a low milage (7500km and below) very good condition BMW HP2
Please if you know of someone sitting with such a gem and not being used let me know. I'm willing to pay
decent money and is not looking for a bargain. Either I've got a 2009 immaculate one owner R1200GS adventure with 6500km to swop with a cash difference payment...

James 083 265 2233
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2
Post by: Kamanya on December 30, 2009, 06:03:55 am
Hi, this might be of interest;
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=40741.20 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=40741.20)
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2
Post by: Williaby on December 30, 2009, 08:36:20 am
Or what about this one:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=40307.0;topicseen (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=40307.0;topicseen)
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2
Post by: Zabor on December 30, 2009, 09:32:29 am
Hi Kamanya,

I spoke to the guy yesterday. It is Jan Staal du Toit's old bike. Jan owns Country Trax wheremost BMW off courses are held in Gauteng. In my opinion Jan is very good rider what this mean his bikes takes a lot of punishment. Thanks for the help
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2
Post by: Avontier on December 30, 2009, 01:54:48 pm
In my opinion Jan is very good rider what this mean his bikes takes a lot of punishment. Thanks for the help

 :eek7:

Ek koop eerder 'n bike by iemand wat weet hoe om te ry en om 'n bike op te pas.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2
Post by: BigEd on December 30, 2009, 04:11:28 pm
In my opinion Jan is very good rider what this mean his bikes takes a lot of punishment. Thanks for the help

 :eek7:

Ek koop eerder 'n bike by iemand wat weet hoe om te ry en om 'n bike op te pas.

Stem saam. As hy nou nog nie gebreek het nie sal hy seker nooit. Ook belangrik dat daar na die fiets gekyk is...
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind!!
Post by: Zabor on December 31, 2009, 08:51:24 am
after 2 lengthy conversations yesterday with previous owners of HP2 bikes (one guy had 2 engines blow up and the other one had an engine and diff go (7500km) and this happened while being on a very nice adventure ride outside SA). They said they had almost no support from BMW and they where told it was because of neglect. What bullshit! The one guy was with 10 HP2's on a trip and 3 broke. These bikes are supposed to be bullet proof. The biggest problem is suspension that was never fully developed, diff failure and the engine that breathe dust and sand.

I'm very disapointed as my hart was set on one. Any comments!

For now I'm sticking with my trusty old stead!
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind!!
Post by: blazes on December 31, 2009, 09:09:00 am
after 2 lengthy conversations yesterday with previous owners of HP2 bikes (one guy had 2 engines blow up and the other one had an engine and diff go (7500km) and this happened while being on a very nice adventure ride outside SA). They said they had almost no support from BMW and they where told it was because of neglect. What bullshit! The one guy was with 10 HP2's on a trip and 3 broke. These bikes are supposed to be bullet proof. The biggest problem is suspension that was never fully developed, diff failure and the engine that breathe dust and sand.

I'm very disapointed as my hart was set on one. Any comments!

For now I'm sticking with my trusty old stead!
[/quote

Yeppeeee- at least someone has seen the light. All the Bloody Hp2 is-is a 1200gs in Drag clothes. :pot:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind!!
Post by: TeeJay on December 31, 2009, 10:12:58 am
Get a 950SE  :3some:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind!!
Post by: dieterf on December 31, 2009, 10:42:39 am
Get a 950SE  :3some:

plus 1 (to the power of 10)
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind!!
Post by: edgy on December 31, 2009, 10:51:45 am
When i read that you had changed your mind,i was thinking that you had obviously had a ride on the SE!!! :biggrin:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind!!
Post by: Just Blip It! on December 31, 2009, 11:44:49 am
When i read that you had changed your mind,i was thinking that you had obviously had a ride on the SE!!! :biggrin:

Now that would make sense!! :laughing4:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind!!
Post by: Hondsekierie on December 31, 2009, 06:36:00 pm
after 2 lengthy conversations yesterday with previous owners of HP2 bikes (one guy had 2 engines blow up and the other one had an engine and diff go (7500km) and this happened while being on a very nice adventure ride outside SA). They said they had almost no support from BMW and they where told it was because of neglect. What bullshit! The one guy was with 10 HP2's on a trip and 3 broke. These bikes are supposed to be bullet proof. The biggest problem is suspension that was never fully developed, diff failure and the engine that breathe dust and sand.

I'm very disapointed as my hart was set on one. Any comments!

For now I'm sticking with my trusty old stead!

Do you follow AdvRider - milliion times bigger and different opinion :mwink:

Stick with knowledge but don't forget gut feel  :thumleft:

PS:  The 2nd hand knowledge from some okes here is just amazing :biggrin: 
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard Kaaak things!!
Post by: Zabor on January 01, 2010, 01:46:26 pm
well interesting enough both guys that gave me the facts about their HP2's bought 950SE. Sounds like the dog's nob. I was suprised to hear though that the HP2 is easier in the very sanding bits but on the fast sections nothing can touch it.

The problem is now that I need to make a complete mind change to a brand that previous was the "enemy". All the hooligans ride KTM!!!!!! Well maybe it is worth a peak into the dark side.!
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Rooies on January 01, 2010, 03:27:14 pm
Hallo James, welkom hier by die honne!

Ek dink jy sal goed lyk op n KTM...

Ping ook vir Jacko as jy nog opinies oor die HP2 wil he - hy het n liefdesverhouding met syne wat skrik vir niks.

Ps - hoop alles gaan nog goed met julle daar onder!
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard Kaaak things!!
Post by: Welsh on January 01, 2010, 06:35:23 pm
well interesting enough both guys that gave me the facts about their HP2's bought 950SE. Sounds like the dog's nob. I was suprised to hear though that the HP2 is easier in the very sanding bits but on the fast sections nothing can touch it.

The problem is now that I need to make a complete mind change to a brand that previous was the "enemy". All the hooligans ride KTM!!!!!! Well maybe it is worth a peak into the dark side.!

Should  I really ask, are you good enough to exploit the HP2 to its known limits, sand or no sand? Or the SE, not many are, certainly not me, so you might enjoy either?
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Zabor on January 02, 2010, 01:37:40 pm
I won't say I'm alfie cox or Jan Staal but I can handle the big boys in a competent manner. I've been on a BMW Adventure for 3 years (55,00km) and did some awesome sole riding fully loaded in southern africa including many kilometers sand in Mozambique, around Lake Sibaya (following the dunes), up Sani, Baviaans twice and many little dirt tracks through SA.

The reason for looking at a more enduro style bike is that I want to explore the more technical parts that I won't attempt with the Adventure but I still want a bike to be able to do a couple of hunderd kilometers a day.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 02, 2010, 01:51:50 pm
Well there you go right back to a DR650, easily does a couple of 100 kays a day, plus 30kg"s lighter!
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Just Blip It! on January 02, 2010, 02:38:40 pm
I have the right bike for you! :thumleft:

Look here!

 http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=42731.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=42731.0)
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Welsh on January 02, 2010, 09:05:13 pm
I won't say I'm alfie cox or Jan Staal but I can handle the big boys in a competent manner. I've been on a BMW Adventure for 3 years (55,00km) and did some awesome sole riding fully loaded in southern africa including many kilometers sand in Mozambique, around Lake Sibaya (following the dunes), up Sani, Baviaans twice and many little dirt tracks through SA.

The reason for looking at a more enduro style bike is that I want to explore the more technical parts that I won't attempt with the Adventure but I still want a bike to be able to do a couple of hunderd kilometers a day.

No issue, I just get grumpy sometimes (especially when my bike is out oif commission) enjoy it whatever you get...
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 03, 2010, 05:28:41 pm
If these are the guys that I have heard about it sounded like they had more money than common sense ... possibly big toys for guys with small dicks? ... All bikes ridden in very sandy conditions like they did (whatever make) need constant monitoring of the breathing side of things ... virtually daily cleaning of the airfilter if necessary. This is where they went amiss and so over revved and cooked the engines. Now go try and clean the airfilter on a SE ... probably at least an hour job ... why? because YES believe it or not the tank must come off to get at it. Go figure!?
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: SGB on January 03, 2010, 06:52:22 pm
I agree that on a GS you would need to do a daily check on the air cleaner in very sandy conditions.  But the SE's filter is a lot bigger and can accumulate a lot more dust, and will need less maintenance on a trip.  I have never had to replace or clean a 950 / 990 filter on a ride, but I have done some cleaning on the 1200 filter, and I replace it about twice between scheduled services on my 1200.  I think the air intake is in a bad place too on the GS, compared with the orange ones. 

Agree with Dom, these are realities that riders need to be aware of and manage them for best performance and reliability of the bike.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 04, 2010, 10:44:05 am
I agree that on a GS you would need to do a daily check on the air cleaner in very sandy conditions.  But the SE's filter is a lot bigger and can accumulate a lot more dust, and will need less maintenance on a trip.  I have never had to replace or clean a 950 / 990 filter on a ride, but I have done some cleaning on the 1200 filter, and I replace it about twice between scheduled services on my 1200.  I think the air intake is in a bad place too on the GS, compared with the orange ones. 

Agree with Dom, these are realities that riders need to be aware of and manage them for best performance and reliability of the bike.

I do agree the air intake snorkel is badly placed on the GS's ... I remember taking this matter up with a BMW R&D head man out from Germany at one of the first GS Challenges. He was just so gobsmacked that we used the machines the way we did that he had no real answer ... did say he would feed it back ... but then in true arrogant BMW fashion they have done fookall about it in all subsequent 1200GS models! bur blazes there are pretty easy fixes for this intake story including a raised snorkel that many have fitted and also a sponge prefilter - no real biggie IMHO. I would rather check my airfilter on a trip than have to carry a spare chain, chainlube,  chain breaker, spare heavy duty tubes, tyre levers ...  :3some:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: mrhyde on January 04, 2010, 12:17:26 pm
James, keep the  GSA, buy a cheaper lighter Dualsport / Enduro bike. XR650/TE610/KTM640

Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind!!
Post by: Eisbein on January 04, 2010, 12:44:29 pm
Get a 950SE  :3some:

plus 1 (to the power of 10)

1 to the power of 10 is still only one

:peepwall:

/nerd mode off...


;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind!!
Post by: KobusL on January 04, 2010, 12:53:58 pm
Get a 950SE  :3some:

plus 1 (to the power of 10)

1 to the power of 10 is still only one

:peepwall:

/nerd mode off...


;D ;D ;D

Ah, but he said +1, which makes it 2 (if it was 1 to begin with, unless it was 0 to begin with, or more than 1 to begin with)  :pot:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Eisbein on January 04, 2010, 01:06:42 pm
;D ;D
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: IceCreamMan on January 04, 2010, 01:14:00 pm
hey , wait for jacko's chirp on tis before deciding agaisnt the HP2 ...

bound to be something along the lines of tube tyres and the like
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Leo on January 04, 2010, 01:23:11 pm
I would rather check my airfilter on a trip than have to carry a spare chain, chainlube,  chain breaker, spare heavy duty tubes, tyre levers ...  :3some:

+ 1000

Call me lazy, easy, whatever. To me this is a no brainer  :thumleft: Get the HP  ;D
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Excalibur on January 04, 2010, 01:26:12 pm
Leo, I can confirm you are lazy. Stop your lazyness and get your Highly Priced 2 cylinder this year of hoe se ek nou.  ;D
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Oetie on January 04, 2010, 01:34:27 pm
Leo, I can confirm you are lazy. Stop your lazyness and get your Highly Priced 2 cylinder this year of hoe se ek nou.  ;D

+1 - Hy dreig darem nou BAIE lank om die Highly Priced 2 langs Honey in te laat staan.... :mwink:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: masehare on January 04, 2010, 02:20:02 pm
James, keep the  GSA, buy a cheaper lighter Dualsport / Enduro bike. XR650/TE610/KTM640



 :thumleft:  Best suggestion so far. Crunch some numbers on what you'll have to pay in. Maybe it's cheaper this way.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: SGB on January 04, 2010, 02:50:03 pm
I would rather check my airfilter on a trip than have to carry a spare chain, chainlube,  chain breaker, spare heavy duty tubes, tyre levers ...  :3some:

Ag ou Dom, the idea was not to try and play down the wonderful attributes of the HP.  I just dont have the "gees" so early in 2010 to start all over again with the chain vs shaft, tube vs no tube, condom vs no condom, and all those.  You win.  The HP is the best.  :3some:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 04, 2010, 02:55:17 pm
I would rather check my airfilter on a trip than have to carry a spare chain, chainlube,  chain breaker, spare heavy duty tubes, tyre levers ...  :3some:

Ag ou Dom, the idea was not to try and play down the wonderful attributes of the HP.  I just dont have the "gees" so early in 2010 to start all over again with the chain vs shaft, tube vs no tube, condom vs no condom, and all those.  You win.  The HP is the best.  :3some:

Ja boet, sorree was just  :pot:  In reality both are awesome weapons each with their own attributes ... as I have said before ... 'different strokes for different folks'  :ricky:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: JohnST on January 04, 2010, 02:57:21 pm
boring thread.....   ::)



Bly om te sien niemand se totties het gegroei oor Decemeber nie!  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: tau on January 04, 2010, 03:51:38 pm
I expect an hp2 rider to get peedoff and a SE rider to get arrogant it fits the riders that ride different bikes.

KTM 950 SE  blokes are suits that send their scooters to shops that gives free coffee and that thinks orange is the new black since white went out of fasion.

HP 2 riders don't like change (tyre's) still scemes sleeping in a tent is a luxury and not a necesity.
The only color co-ordination they do is comparing the glow of sparkplugs that is used.



 ;D ;D ;D ;D

I know this is probably all wrong, but al the KTM riders I know is from noordhoek or vredehoek or some othar angle of table mountain. And al the HP riders is afrikaans speaking and from the country.

We can even change this into a soutie boer thing
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 04, 2010, 04:04:05 pm
I expect an hp2 rider to get peedoff and a SE rider to get arrogant it fits the riders that ride different bikes.

KTM 950 SE  blokes are suits that send their scooters to shops that gives free coffee and that thinks orange is the new black since white went out of fasion.

HP 2 riders don't like change (tyre's) still scemes sleeping in a tent is a luxury and not a necesity.
The only color co-ordination they do is comparing the glow of sparkplugs that is used.



 ;D ;D ;D ;D

I know this is probably all wrong, but al the KTM riders I know is from noordhoek or vredehoek or some othar angle of table mountain. And al the HP riders is afrikaans speaking and from the country.

We can even change this into a soutie boer thing

Nou soek jy kak   :toothy12:  (Best I rest my case)
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: tau on January 04, 2010, 04:56:31 pm
Ek mag ek is afrikaner met skotse naam en van en MYSE AUNTIE IS VANNIE ST HELENA EILANDE!!

I want an HP 2 so please stop bad mouthing my dream!!!

However it opens the debate is there realy a HARD ENDURO adv bike???

James I think the SE and HP gives so much power and handling compared to normal adv scoooters that people have to say something bad or unpractical about them.

Both good scooters, I just don't live close to the right berg to have one so I will just stick to an BMW.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Fenderbender on January 04, 2010, 06:11:38 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer: Julle laat my lekker lag .
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Leo on January 04, 2010, 06:56:24 pm
Waar's my drool icon
 :drif: :drif: :drif:

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b27/tourer/160723933-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Welsh on January 04, 2010, 08:18:28 pm
Leo, I can confirm you are lazy. Stop your lazyness and get your Highly Priced 2 cylinder this year of hoe se ek nou.  ;D



Ja, you are not getting any younger you know, buy it while you can still ride it  :peepwall: :pot:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 04, 2010, 08:29:21 pm
Big Dom, the one item I would not like to disturb too often is the air filtration system, esp. on a offroad trip.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Fenderbender on January 04, 2010, 08:30:23 pm
Waar's my drool icon
 :drif: :drif: :drif:

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b27/tourer/160723933-M.jpg)

Man that looks evil ............ , sorry guys , I don't do evil . Black will never be my choice .
Dont wanna look like a druglord on my bike .
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 04, 2010, 09:23:19 pm
Plus a red star! Commie!!
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2010, 10:14:55 am
Waar's my drool icon
 :drif: :drif: :drif:

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b27/tourer/160723933-M.jpg)

Looks like a city pimpmobile owned by some scab dude in the hood - this has motard wheels and has little to do with a 'hard/super enduro' used for its intended pupose. Sorry just MHO.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2010, 10:22:48 am
Big Dom, the one item I would not like to disturb too often is the air filtration system, esp. on a offroad trip.

Sorry Dan I know we have bumped heads here before but once again you are talking KAAAAARK!

Why not clean the airfilter? It is common sense and really a five  minute pisseasy job to get out on a HP2, and if a servicable variety (recommended for such trips IMHO) probably another 5 to clean and maybe 10 to dry in the sun. A real no-brainer and I can assure you what will "disturb" you is when the machine cannot breath properly anymore because the filter is caked and you faark someting beeg up!
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Hentie @ Riders on January 05, 2010, 11:08:52 am
Die ouens wat die HP2 bad mouth weet net nie hoe om hom te ry nie  >:D  :pot:  :peepwall:  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Zabor on January 05, 2010, 02:23:22 pm
wel wel, lyk my hier is 'n paar ouens wat mekaar by die een of ander rally goed gaan blikseeem!! Laat weet my asb hiervan lank voor die tyd - ek wil dit beleef

Ek is baie dankbaar vir die uit eenlopend opinies en feitlike aspekte van die SE en HP. Die post het ek geskep om die kaf van die koring te skei en om die "hard facts" te kry. My hart is nog op die HP. Die bike doen dit net vir my!!!

My vrou is tans besig om elke aand uit die "Biker Boek" te lees. 20 kort verhale wat bevestig dat bike ry die siel vir pannie is. Die een storie is deur Simon Fourier geskryf en hy het 10 elke dag gebruiks fiets (uit gereken sy versameling). Hy reken 'n mense het 10 boneys nog om al die aspekte van bike ry te ervaar.

Dit het my laat dink om dalk al ander tipe bike te kry (sien hieronder wat ek in gedagte het). Dit sal dan my "collection" of 3 laat staan.

Wat ek het:
- 2000 Italjet Draster 180cc Liquid cooled scooter. Ek het die nuut gekoop op 1 Feb 2000 vir R27,000 en omtrent R40,000 bo dit spandeer. Die scooter is op opgevat na stage 6 van warm maak. Skop so 27hp uit en forkof. Dit is soos spiderman geverf en lyk baie cool
- 2009 1200 Adv - nuut gekoop vroer die jaar

Wat ek wil koop:
- 2005 Ducati 999 - ek kom van pad fiets ry af voor ek my eertse  Adventure in 2006 gekoop het. Ek mis die mooi lyne en die awesome power, handling en spoed. Niks beat 'n power wheelie op 100km/h nie
- 2007 KDX 200 - lekker rond fork bike vir R25,000

Met die collection voel ek dat ek die beste van al die werelde sal he



 

Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2010, 02:37:37 pm
I will quite happily just take the last two with my HP2 - forget the overpimped scooter (if I must choose a scoot I will take a restored classic vintage Vespa). Met die Ducati stem ek heeltemal saam  :ricky:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Berm_Rooster on January 05, 2010, 04:04:47 pm
:happy1:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: chicco on January 05, 2010, 04:14:41 pm
die jaar se Rainbow rallye raid is heel moontlik net die plek om almal se bubbles te bars.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 05, 2010, 05:55:54 pm
Big Dom, about talking kak, if you have to clean HP2 filter everyday in sandy/windy/dusty conditions, it explains perfectly why their engines would fuck out! It is called dust ingestion and it is FATAL !!
This is exactly what I mean when I say that KTM has the offroad pedigree, they know what works offroad.
Not even the GermanBMW engineer understood how important air filter placing on a offroad bike is!
Or why tappet covers do not work for crash bobbins.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Excalibur on January 06, 2010, 10:03:52 am
2SD, bring n bietjie statistieke waar die boxer motors op HP2's agv sand/stof gefail het. Elke fiets het sy goed en sleg maar die bottomline is dat elke man koop wat hy van hou. Hoekom ry ek n 1200, omdat ek wil. Enige meganiese issues even na meer as 100 000 kilo's. Fokkol meneer en ek gaan nog n 100 000 op hierdie bokooi sit. Die HP en die SE is 2 spesialis fietse en  albei het goeie en slegte punte, punt.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Hentie @ Riders on January 06, 2010, 10:27:26 am
2SD, bring n bietjie statistieke waar die boxer motors op HP2's agv sand/stof gefail het. Elke fiets het sy goed en sleg maar die bottomline is dat elke man koop wat hy van hou. Hoekom ry ek n 1200, omdat ek wil. Enige meganiese issues even na meer as 100 000 kilo's. Fokkol meneer en ek gaan nog n 100 000 op hierdie bokooi sit. Die HP en die SE is 2 spesialis fietse en  albei het goeie en slegte punte, punt.
+10000000  :thumleft:  :thumleft:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2010, 10:28:38 am
Big Dom, about talking kak, if you have to clean HP2 filter everyday in sandy/windy/dusty conditions, it explains perfectly why their engines would fuck out! It is called dust ingestion and it is FATAL !!
This is exactly what I mean when I say that KTM has the offroad pedigree, they know what works offroad.
Not even the GermanBMW engineer understood how important air filter placing on a offroad bike is!
Or why tappet covers do not work for crash bobbins.

Go stick your crash bobbins where they fit best - will help with the kakpraat!

What I said was that your assertion that it was a bad idea to "disturb the air filtration" too often was pure pollycock. I also said that there was an easy remedy for the intake placement (there is no problem with the placement of the actual filter - that is the KTM problem!) You can be sure that the KTM's on the PD get theirs cleaned daily ...and yes even BMW have some inherited "offroad pedigree" from the PD. Maybe you need an earwax or hearing aid? :biggrin:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2010, 10:38:11 am
Die HP en die SE is 2 spesialis fietse en  albei het goeie en slegte punte, punt.

+1 Exactly my point as made above.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Berm_Rooster on January 06, 2010, 11:07:56 am
HJ on:

What gets me is that this tosser is doing the same to this thread than he did to my thread (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=37470.msg728897#msg728897) when I was looking to buy another bike. He trolls around and gets people de bliksem in for nothing.:lamer:     AFAIK he doesnt own either of these two bikes but knows EVERYTHING about them. :deal:

2SD, vir wie wil jy van wat met jou wysneus aanmerkings oortuig ??? Dink jy regtig die ou wat  n dud gekoop het gaan na jou to terug kom en se: "Jammer oom Daan, pleks het ek na jou geluister".

HJ off.

James, what worked for me was to ride both the bikes and listened to the one talking the lekkerest with my soul. After all, you have to want to ride the thing every possible opportunity. :ricky:

If you really want to listen to other peep's comments, listen to owners and first hand experience. :3some:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2010, 11:27:45 am
Yeah is still that oke in the pool that I posted in that thread of yours.  :D :3some: Only I guess the head has grown a bit again...
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Berm_Rooster on January 06, 2010, 11:33:46 am
Yeah is still that oke in the pool that I posted in that thread of yours.  :D :3some: Only I guess the head has grown a bit again...

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Zabor on January 06, 2010, 06:40:29 pm
Berm_rooster, You've got it spot on. I agree there is no right or wrong - just what work or don't work for you. I'll go and ride the two bikes... 
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Fenderbender on January 06, 2010, 06:59:33 pm
Berm_rooster, You've got it spot on. I agree there is no right or wrong - just what work or don't work for you. I'll go and ride the two bikes... 

Sense at last . ;D :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 06, 2010, 09:41:17 pm
BMW owners do not seem to like criticism, the joke is that I have actually said nothing original here, only repeated what other forum members have said!
Big Dom speculated that because HP2 riders dont clean air filters every day, engines packed up. Sit back, relax, take a deep breath and tell me how that is NOT a kak design? While you are at it, try and point out some bad points on a SE.
I only seem so anti-BMW because some of you are so blindly BMW loyal!
Strangely coincidental that in the car world BMW drivers stand accused of the same disease!
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Airborne on January 07, 2010, 07:34:11 am
   :kermit:  :happy1:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2010, 09:58:39 am
BMW owners do not seem to like criticism, the joke is that I have actually said nothing original here, only repeated what other forum members have said!
Big Dom speculated that because HP2 riders dont clean air filters every day, engines packed up. Sit back, relax, take a deep breath and tell me how that is NOT a kak design? While you are at it, try and point out some bad points on a SE.
I only seem so anti-BMW because some of you are so blindly BMW loyal!
Strangely coincidental that in the car world BMW drivers stand accused of the same disease!

Yes BMW owners are typically loyal to their marque but you will also notice on this forum (and others abroad) dedicated to this brand that they are quite happy to criticise vehemently where and when necesarry. They are also often prepared to admit to certain points/areas that could be improved upon (as I did) and if necessaary rectify them (as I and others have done). I have yet to meet a committed dirt/adventure rider on any make of bike who has not modded or accessorised his bike to his personal needs and use.

If you read my posts you will see that I do in fact point out a few areas of concern 9however tyresome) to me personally ("bad points" if you wish) regarding the SE - tubed tyres, chain drive, badly positioned airfilter. But that aside I also have the generosity of spirit (a common attribute amonst most WD's I have met but clearly not all) to not just enter some juvinile 'mines bigger than yours' brand bashing and have stated that both are great super enduros and both have their merits and de-merits. The final decision is subjective and rightfully lies with the individual owne.

You are right you have said nothing original here, ... and I guess may never.

I rest my case.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on January 07, 2010, 12:33:36 pm
I may be missing the point but in the MX racing scene we changed our air filter after every heat ( including the KTM's ). The risk of dirt getting through a dirty clogged air filter far out weighed the risk of "tampering with the air system". The design is not flawed if the filter gets dirty, your bikes performance is dierctly related to how quickly and how much air can get to the combustion chamber.

Bottom line depending on the conditions you ride in will dictate the maintennance required.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: edgy on January 07, 2010, 12:37:54 pm
I may be missing the point but in the MX racing scene we changed our air filter after every heat ( including the KTM's ). The risk of dirt getting through a dirty clogged air filter far out weighed the risk of "tampering with the air system". The design is not flawed if the filter gets dirty, your bikes performance is dierctly related to how quickly and how much air can get to the combustion chamber.

Bottom line depending on the conditions you ride in will dictate the maintennance required.
Esp with the 800GS! :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on January 07, 2010, 12:56:25 pm
I may be missing the point but in the MX racing scene we changed our air filter after every heat ( including the KTM's ). The risk of dirt getting through a dirty clogged air filter far out weighed the risk of "tampering with the air system". The design is not flawed if the filter gets dirty, your bikes performance is dierctly related to how quickly and how much air can get to the combustion chamber.

Bottom line depending on the conditions you ride in will dictate the maintennance required.
Esp with the 800GS! :peepwall:

I will race you. Lets see who finnishes the air filter service fist. >:D
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Just Blip It! on January 07, 2010, 02:40:08 pm
Your air cleaner only gets dirty when you ride at the back. Mine is always clean! :biggrin: :biggrin:

 :peepwall:

I run a pre- cleaner and a BG filter on my SE, works like a charm, clean the pre clean 3 times before it is necessary to clean the main filter.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on January 07, 2010, 03:08:44 pm
Your air cleaner only gets dirty when you ride at the back. Mine is always clean! :biggrin: :biggrin:

 :peepwall:

I run a pre- cleaner and a BG filter on my SE, works like a charm, clean the pre clean 3 times before it is necessary to clean the main filter.

Ya Ya typical KTM Rider. Always a point to prove. ;) :mwink: :ricky:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Steady on January 07, 2010, 03:26:21 pm
TheHP2 airfilter is so easy to clean and keep clean, the location of the intake is not an issue.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/war63423/HP2015.jpg)

Keep clean with a pre filter, no pic.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Jacko on January 07, 2010, 10:15:30 pm
Betreffende jou oorspronklike vraag oor HP2's waarvan die enjins kak:

Al 3 daai bikes was op dieselfde trip van Jan du Toit deur Botswana en Namibie. Baie sand. En, sover ek weet, het al drie aftermarket filters opgehad.

Ek het ook 'n BMC op, maar maak hom baie goed skoon (veral nadat ek agtergekom het 'n sekere dealer het die eens gebother om dit skoon te maak tydens 'n diens nie). Dis regtig 'n vinnige job. Die langste is vir die gewaste filter om droog te word. Hou die ding skoon en goed geolie en sit nog spons oor die luginlaat voor as 'n prefilter. Ek het 'n snorkel op (gedoen deur Bavarian in Pta) en het oor die bokant sommer 'n stuk fleece materiaal oorgesit en met 'n cable tie vasgemaak as 'n prefilter.

My bike het al amper 42 000 km gedoen. Ek laat hom elke 10K diens en vervang elke 5K self die olie. My agterste diff seels is pas vervang (R2.5K), maar die feit dat dit 'n shaft het beteken jy spaar weer op kettings en sprockets.

Dan is daar die kwessie van die HP2 wat tubeless bande het. Om 'n tubeless puncture te fix is so maklik soos om koffie te maak.

Die 950SE het wel beter suspensie as die HP2.

Maar ek weet watter een oor 10 jaar 'n classic gaan wees en watter een net nog 'n gaar DS bike.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 07, 2010, 10:22:26 pm
Excalibur, daar is jou statistieke , met bewyse, vir jou. As jul mooi navors, sal jul vind ek praat eintlik nooit kak nie.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Beserker on January 07, 2010, 11:43:39 pm
I agree that on a GS you would need to do a daily check on the air cleaner in very sandy conditions.  But the SE's filter is a lot bigger and can accumulate a lot more dust, and will need less maintenance on a trip.  I have never had to replace or clean a 950 / 990 filter on a ride, but I have done some cleaning on the 1200 filter, and I replace it about twice between scheduled services on my 1200.  I think the air intake is in a bad place too on the GS, compared with the orange ones. 

Agree with Dom, these are realities that riders need to be aware of and manage them for best performance and reliability of the bike.

I do agree the air intake snorkel is badly placed on the GS's ...

Both agree BMW  require cleaning sometimes on a daily basis, it is kark design, to the extend Big Dom took it up with BMW.


Big Dom, the one item I would not like to disturb too often is the air filtration system, esp. on a offroad trip.

Sorry Dan I know we have bumped heads here before but once again you are talking KAAAAARK!

Why not clean the airfilter? It is common sense and really a five  minute pisseasy job to get out on a HP2, and if a servicable variety (recommended for such trips IMHO) probably another 5 to clean and maybe 10 to dry in the sun. A real no-brainer and I can assure you what will "disturb" you is when the machine cannot breath properly anymore because the filter is caked and you faark someting beeg up!

Absolutely...you need a clean airfilter for the bike to perform, ..fortunately running rich is not so bad as running lean, but it is still a crappy design, and a consideration when you buy a bike for gravel travel..
Cleaning an airfilter out in the boondocks also poses risk, it is not a clinical environment, and being less than ideal, exposes the operation to risk. A fairly common mistake is not seating the element properly.

A point...no mention has been made of BMW being shit...just the design, and that being by the BMW rider.

Big Dom, about talking kak, if you have to clean HP2 filter everyday in sandy/windy/dusty conditions, it explains perfectly why their engines would fuck out! It is called dust ingestion and it is FATAL !!
This is exactly what I mean when I say that KTM has the offroad pedigree, they know what works offroad.
Not even the GermanBMW engineer understood how important air filter placing on a offroad bike is!
Or why tappet covers do not work for crash bobbins.

Go stick your crash bobbins where they fit best - will help with the kakpraat!

What I said was that your assertion that it was a bad idea to "disturb the air filtration" too often was pure pollycock. I also said that there was an easy remedy for the intake placement (there is no problem with the placement of the actual filter - that is the KTM problem!) You can be sure that the KTM's on the PD get theirs cleaned daily ...and yes even BMW have some inherited "offroad pedigree" from the PD. Maybe you need an earwax or hearing aid? :biggrin:

Thread going south...subject should be debated maybe in "Bikes and Workshop"...or discussed, hopefully without a "..but once again you are talking KAAAAARK! "

Betreffende jou oorspronklike vraag oor HP2's waarvan die enjins kak:
.....

Die antwoord...sonder ego, die feite.

My opinion, HP2 is a visually stunning sight, but try out the SE....it feels a lot smaller, almost nimble compared to the HP, what I would look for if I were more dirt orientated...
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Excalibur on January 08, 2010, 06:56:10 am
2SD, jou simantiese geroggel oor die HP2 vs die SE impress my nog steeds fokkol nie. Ek bly by my punt, elke man koop wat hy like.

Lekker naweek vir jou ou grote. Gaan tos rond op n dating site of so iets.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Fenderbender on January 08, 2010, 07:12:29 am
 :imaposer: :imaposer:  So n bek moet jam kry .  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Brakenjan on January 08, 2010, 08:22:45 am
Lekker naweek vir jou ou grote. Gaan tos rond op n dating site of so iets.

Fokkit dis snaaks (en gepas)!!  :laughing4:  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Hentie @ Riders on January 08, 2010, 08:48:29 am
2SD, jou simantiese geroggel oor die HP2 vs die SE impress my nog steeds fokkol nie. Ek bly by my punt, elke man koop wat hy like.

Lekker naweek vir jou ou grote. Gaan tos rond op n dating site of so iets.
:imaposer:  :laughing4:  :laughing4:  :laughing4:  :laughing4:  :laughing4:  :imaposer:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Rooies on January 08, 2010, 08:58:53 am
James, gaan ry nou altwee en laat ons weet wat JY dink!
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2010, 09:05:13 am
2SD, jou simantiese geroggel oor die HP2 vs die SE impress my nog steeds fokkol nie. Ek bly by my punt, elke man koop wat hy like.

Lekker naweek vir jou ou grote. Gaan tos rond op n dating site of so iets.


You have made my day, week actually!  :laughing6:  :blob5: :blob6: :blob7: :blob9: :booty:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Beserker on January 08, 2010, 09:35:27 am
James, gaan ry nou altwee en laat ons weet wat JY dink!


simantiese geroggel ...?

Thread now really going south...will hit CL soon, should I unsubscribe and take cover?

jamesred...even if you get past the "kark design"  :mwink: , will you want to hang out with these guys?
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2010, 11:18:41 am
James, gaan ry nou altwee en laat ons weet wat JY dink!


simantiese geroggel ...?

Thread now really going south...will hit CL soon, should I unsubscribe and take cover?

jamesred...even if you get past the "kark design"  :mwink: , will you want to hang out with these guys?


Funny thing is two mates (Edgy and ThrottleJockey) I ride with had XT660's ... the one now has a SE, the one a F800GS  (the XT did not do it for them)and I switched to a HP2 from a ADV. When we ride we often find ourselves with half a dozen different bikes all enjoying the WD experience... as I have said it is different strokes for different folks.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Beserker on January 08, 2010, 12:56:36 pm

Funny thing is two mates (Edgy and ThrottleJockey) I ride with had XT660's ... the one now has a SE, the one a F800GS  (the XT did not do it for them)and I switched to a HP2 from a ADV. When we ride we often find ourselves with half a dozen different bikes all enjoying the WD experience... as I have said it is different strokes for different folks.

Absolutely, been on a couple of rides, with bikes across the spectrum, and all most enjoyable.

Also, the truth, most of the times, is the sum total of all aspects, this particular discussion a prime examble of that, and of miscommunication.

Nowhere did 2tdan say not to clean your airfilter when it is dirty, fiddeling with it trailside is risky (there is somewhere on the forum a thread of me running into this adverse risk) and design should strive to eliminate this..honest critisism.

However,  "Lekker naweek vir jou ou grote. Gaan tos rond op n dating site of so iets."  contributes nothing, and the resultant jeering (what point did the guy make apart from the fact that he, from the anonymity of his browser, can launch a personal attack ..worth the jeering?)

Sorry, it gets my goat.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2010, 01:05:42 pm
There is nothing "risky" about cleaning an airfilter "trailside" on an HP2 - you do not need "fiddle" in a "clinical" environment and as I have stated it is pisseasy and no risk. Most times it would be done at the end of the day at camp and after a couple of days riding ... I did this just recently in Lesotho most efeectively.

Have you thought of a career in politics? An alliance with Julius and  Desperate Dan may just work!  ;)
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Berm_Rooster on January 08, 2010, 01:13:17 pm
There is nothing "risky" about cleaning an airfilter "trailside" on an HP2 - you do not need "fiddle" in a "clinical" environment and as I have stated it is pisseasy and no risk. Most times it would be done at the end of the day...

Confirmed. It is 5 screws and two plastic clips. There is no danger of gunk falling down into the box, coz it sits on the side.


Can we not just drop it now? Poor James is probably too scared to buy any bike by now.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Beserker on January 08, 2010, 01:19:28 pm
There is nothing "risky" about cleaning an airfilter "trailside" on an HP2 - you do not need "fiddle" in a "clinical" environment and as I have stated it is pisseasy and no risk. Most times it would be done at the end of the day at camp and after a couple of days riding ... I did this just recently in Lesotho most efeectively.

Have you thought of a career in politics? An alliance with Julius and  Desperate Dan may just work!  ;)

Big Dom...have no issue with you, nor your opinion, which you at least you expressed.  Cleaning trailside, if you need to do it, you need to do it, and being aware and able to... :thumleft:

Julius maybe, 2TDan not (at least not till he stops calling my bike an ostrich  :D)
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Brakenjan on January 08, 2010, 02:03:00 pm

However,  "Lekker naweek vir jou ou grote. Gaan tos rond op n dating site of so iets."  contributes nothing, and the resultant jeering (what point did the guy make apart from the fact that he, from the anonymity of his browser, can launch a personal attack ..worth the jeering?)

Sorry, it gets my goat.

Beserker, you are (and have for a long time been) a very valuable member of this forum (much more than I can ever dream to be). It is also clear that you are quick to jump to the rescue of 2SD (whom I assume is your friend seeing that you guys did Kaoko together) when he (again) comes in for some stick from other forum members. Now as you know (again better than me) 2SD is a sharp-witted guy who loves to sail close to the wind. Since day one many of his post has, by design, pissed me and many others off to no end. It is also clear that he is alive to the risque nature of his posts as he often qualifies them with something like "at the risk of upsetting the mods" or the like.

Do I want 2SD to leave the forum? Hell no, he brings colour to this soap opera! Do I enjoy it if other (respected) forum members like Big Dom and Excalibur give him a bit of a (called for?) tongue lashing? Hell yeah! And so does 2SD, he keeps coming back for more!!

I respectfully suggest that you enjoy the intellectual sparring between 2SD and those who he manages to upset so skilfully. When it gets to much for you, rather go ride the BRP instead knowing that your mate is having a ball.   :thumleft:




 
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Jacko on January 08, 2010, 02:21:19 pm

However,  "Lekker naweek vir jou ou grote. Gaan tos rond op n dating site of so iets."  contributes nothing, and the resultant jeering (what point did the guy make apart from the fact that he, from the anonymity of his browser, can launch a personal attack ..worth the jeering?)

Sorry, it gets my goat.

Beserker, you are (and have for a long time been) a very valuable member of this forum (much more than I can ever dream to be). It is also clear that you are quick to jump to the rescue of 2SD (whom I assume is your friend seeing that you guys did Kaoko together) when he (again) comes in for some stick from other forum members. Now as you know (again better than me) 2SD is a sharp-witted guy who loves to sail close to the wind. Since day one many of his post has, by design, pissed me and many others off to no end. It is also clear that he is alive to the risque nature of his posts as he often qualifies them with something like "at the risk of upsetting the mods" or the like.

Do I want 2SD to leave the forum? Hell no, he brings colour to this soap opera! Do I enjoy it if other (respected) forum members like Big Dom and Excalibur give him a bit of a (called for?) tongue lashing? Hell yeah! And so does 2SD, he keeps coming back for more!!

I respectfully suggest that you enjoy the intellectual sparring between 2SD and those who he manages to upset so skilfully. When it gets to much for you, rather go ride the BRP instead knowing that your mate is having a ball.   :thumleft:
 

Well put!  :thumleft:

I like both Excalibur (hy's die enigste pantseroffisier wat ek sal salueer!) and 2SD. I think both can look after themselves.

It's like having a front row seat FFS. And it's free!

Kom nou manne, gee mekaar gas. Ek haat 'n donnerse gevryery.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 08, 2010, 02:21:38 pm
Excalibur, you asked for the "statistics" re. the HP2 motors that blew. You got it. A simple apology would have been in order.
I only spoke the truth, now the whole BMW club hates me. Even Hentie BM laughed at me. I will now go to Arniston for a few days.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Scalpel on January 08, 2010, 02:26:43 pm
Excalibur, you asked for the "statistics" re. the HP2 motors that blew. You got it. A simple apology would have been in order.
I only spoke the truth, now the whole BMW club hates me. Even Hentie BM laughed at me. I will now go to Arniston for a few days.

Drive safely and remember to clean your air filter!! :ricky:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 08, 2010, 02:29:28 pm
Thanks Scalpel!
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on January 08, 2010, 02:35:30 pm
Excalibur, you asked for the "statistics" re. the HP2 motors that blew. You got it. A simple apology would have been in order.
I only spoke the truth, now the whole BMW club hates me. Even Hentie BM laughed at me. I will now go to Arniston for a few days.

AAG SHAME  :ricky:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: KobusL on January 08, 2010, 02:39:10 pm
Excalibur, you asked for the "statistics" re. the HP2 motors that blew. You got it. A simple apology would have been in order.
I only spoke the truth, now the whole BMW club hates me. Even Hentie BM laughed at me. I will now go to Arniston for a few days.

What is next? Complaining that BMW riders didn't wave at you on the way to Arniston I guess  :pot:
Have fun  :ricky:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Beserker on January 08, 2010, 02:47:00 pm
Do I enjoy it if other (respected) forum members like Big Dom and Excalibur give him a bit of a (called for?) tongue lashing? Hell yeah! And so does 2SD, he keeps coming back for more!!

So do I, and the guy is a prolific poster, no way can I keep track of him even if I wanted to.

Like Jaco says, he can look after himself...and I do also value opposing opinions, as expressed to Big Dom. New ideas and concepts are often formed in this way.

What I did object to, was the blunt (pun intended) rebuttal of Exculibar. It is a sorry state of affairs for the knights of the round propellar if that is all that you can come up with.

Rather use this...   :imaposer: his bike (The thing on the right):

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj26/Beserker_bucket/P9200055.jpg)
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 08, 2010, 02:55:52 pm
Ha Ha Ha that XT is not a thing of beauty.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2010, 02:59:44 pm
Excalibur, you asked for the "statistics" re. the HP2 motors that blew. You got it. A simple apology would have been in order.
I only spoke the truth, now the whole BMW club hates me. Even Hentie BM laughed at me. I will now go to Arniston for a few days.

Drive safely and remember to clean your air filter!! :ricky:

Anyone near Arniston this weekend? Slip a bokkom in his airfilter will yer...
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: tau on January 08, 2010, 03:31:55 pm
Do I enjoy it if other (respected) forum members like Big Dom and Excalibur give him a bit of a (called for?) tongue lashing? Hell yeah! And so does 2SD, he keeps coming back for more!!

So do I, and the guy is a prolific poster, no way can I keep track of him even if I wanted to.

Like Jaco says, he can look after himself...and I do also value opposing opinions, as expressed to Big Dom. New ideas and concepts are often formed in this way.

What I did object to, was the blunt (pun intended) rebuttal of Exculibar. It is a sorry state of affairs for the knights of the round propellar if that is all that you can come up with.

Rather use this...   :imaposer: his bike (The thing on the right):

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj26/Beserker_bucket/P9200055.jpg)


That DR has the coolest water carrier ever!!!!!!!!!

I want one
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Beserker on January 08, 2010, 03:48:30 pm
That DR has the coolest water carrier ever!!!!!!!!!

Some more here...http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=25319.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=25319.0)
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Maverick on January 08, 2010, 04:40:13 pm
I can't compare like bad ass offroad use and dust etc with the HP2. All I know is my HP2 is currently happily on it's way to the 30k miles mark. Over Christmas I took off the pre-filter which was really dirty and replaced it with a clean one. The main filter did not have a mark on it. This is after 6 months riding day in day out come wind, rain, snow or shine.....ohhh and the dreaded road salt in the UK  :patch:

I service the bike myself becuase it is a piece of piss to do and can be done virtually anywhere quickly besides for the electronics - given all new bikes could suffer electrical problems. The rear diff oil was replaced by me for the first time at 29 000 miles, so far so good "touch wood" and the oil that came out was in a pretty decent state. No metal swarth or play on the diff. There seems to be a small weep of oil on the outside seal although this could be from the road as I have a diff protector cover on so not sure where it originates from. Given the amount of oil I drained from the diff it is still ok.

The front forks are really not the best design and had mine replaced by BMW on 15k miles. They seem to start wearing again and this time want to replace with something else a bit beefier as it should of been. Besides this the bike returns between 18-20km/l since the day I bought it regardless of services or dirty filters etc. It remains constant.

I have not ridden the SE and on it's looks seems like a nice bike. I can however count a lot more high mileage HP2 bikes than SE's around that's for sure. All bikes have their own little pit falls, have anybody wondered why nobody attempted to take 10 SE's up in Africa to see how they survive  :pot: :biggrin: ................just thinking out loud here  ;)
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 08, 2010, 04:53:16 pm
I am sure that they will survive very well, they are leading the Dakar as we speak. KTM that is.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Maverick on January 08, 2010, 05:00:44 pm
I am sure that they will survive very well, they are leading the Dakar as we speak. KTM that is.

Ohh yes of course I forgot the Dakar is full of KTM SE Super Enduro's  ::)

How did you get from a SE to the 690 ???
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 08, 2010, 05:13:23 pm
I was demoted. No, seriously, the guys who build the 690 also build the SE. Some of their race-winning experience must surely filter
down into their production bikes?
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Maverick on January 08, 2010, 05:25:21 pm
I think the bigger bikes are more prone to certain problems when used as a racing implement like the smaller versions regardless who build them. We tend to forget that smaller offroad bikes have more regular service intervals than big bikes so neglect to take this into account when visiting far away remote places. My HP2 gets serviced every 6k miles, if however I was doing serious travelling and offroad riding would certainly check and service it more often.

2000k lazy miles on motorways certainly does not compare to say for instance 300 miles in Kaoko  :bueller: Again I go on what I see daily. I have not seen a single commuter on an SE in London to date  :eek7: Given the HP2 is also a fairly rare bike have seen two other riders in the past besides myself.

Maybe the Super Enduro guys must stop riding so much and posting more so the rest of us can be convinced  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 08, 2010, 05:42:28 pm
Maverick, despite my criticism, I do believe that the HP2 is a great bike.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Hentie @ Riders on January 08, 2010, 06:18:45 pm
Maverick, despite my criticism, I do believe that the HP2 is a great bike.
Lyk my jy het die lig gesien hahahaha  :mwink:  :mwink:  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: DeonDj on January 08, 2010, 06:21:31 pm
Maverick, despite my criticism, I do believe that the HP2 is a great bike.
Lyk my jy het die lig gesien hahahaha  :mwink:  :mwink:  :biggrin:
Smaak my oom Dan se oe gaan oop..., en Hentie jy moenie so virrie oom lag nie  :imaposer: :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 08, 2010, 07:07:39 pm
Maverick, despite my criticism, I do believe that the HP2 is a great bike.
Lyk my jy het die lig gesien hahahaha  :mwink:  :mwink:  :biggrin:
Smaak my oom Dan se oe gaan oop..., en Hentie jy moenie so virrie oom lag nie  :imaposer: :peepwall:

Wag tot hy se 'great' vir wat  :merror:

Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Trokkie on January 08, 2010, 07:19:02 pm
I think you okes are a bit hard on 2SD. Everything he said was at some stage confirmed by a BMW fan or stats
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: JohnST on January 08, 2010, 07:35:05 pm
We had a lekker laugh about this tread over a beer now.

Keep going guys, slaan mekaar se vitual tanne uit ek laaik dit!!

Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: JohnST on January 08, 2010, 07:35:56 pm
Oja ek dink alle HP2 owners in Bethlehem is sag piepies!!   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: DeonDj on January 08, 2010, 08:18:04 pm
Ataaa...
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Fenderbender on January 08, 2010, 08:21:08 pm
I do have an answer , why not put a ride together with only SE owners and HP2 owners . Say 5 from each and it must be your own bike , just to eliminate paid riders . At the end of the day we will find that both brands are suited for the job , just depends on your personal touch . And "2stroke Fan ", this will be a comparison between hooligan bikes , not ancient bikes like yours .
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Smithey on January 08, 2010, 08:32:50 pm
Oja ek dink alle HP2 owners in Bethlehem is sag piepies!!   :imaposer:

Nie soe sag soes jou voor kop  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Fenderbender on January 08, 2010, 08:48:27 pm
Ek sien daars niks anders om te doen in Waenhuiskrans as om k@k te soek op die WD forum nie .  Sien jys op lyn 2 stroke fan .
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Trokkie on January 08, 2010, 08:50:43 pm
I do have an answer , why not put a ride together with only SE owners and HP2 owners . Say 5 from each and it must be your own bike , just to eliminate paid riders . At the end of the day we will find that both brands are suited for the job , just depends on your personal touch . And "2stroke Fan ", this will be a comparison between hooligan bikes , not ancient bikes like yours .

An when the HP2's loose their owners will say: But we have shafts and tubeless tyres :pot:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 08, 2010, 08:58:25 pm
FB, ek sou hoop jy wil nie n HP2 mt n "ancient" bike vergelyk nie, maar jy is heeltemal reg, waarom nie n "mini hooligan challenge" nie.
Kry 5xHP2"s en 5xSE"s en dan maak ons n dag in Matroosberg 4x4 , perfekte "hooligan" area.
Of is jou beskrywing van n hooligan rit 180 op die N7?
Ek boek vroegtydig my toeskouersvoorregte.
Maar helaas, ons praat maklik van hooligan goeters, kan julle bybring? Toemaar, ek verstaan.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Fenderbender on January 08, 2010, 08:59:17 pm
I do have an answer , why not put a ride together with only SE owners and HP2 owners . Say 5 from each and it must be your own bike , just to eliminate paid riders . At the end of the day we will find that both brands are suited for the job , just depends on your personal touch . And "2stroke Fan ", this will be a comparison between hooligan bikes , not ancient bikes like yours .

An when the KTM's  loose their owners will say : But we've bought Race Ready Bikes  :pot:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Trokkie on January 08, 2010, 09:02:50 pm
FB, ek sou hoop jy wil nie n HP2 mt n "ancient" bike vergelyk nie, maar jy is heeltemal reg, waarom nie n "mini hooligan challenge" nie.
Kry 5xHP2"s en 5xSE"s en dan maak ons n dag in Matroosberg 4x4 , perfekte "hooligan" area.
Of is jou beskrywing van n hooligan rit 180 op die N7?
Ek boek vroegtydig my toeskouersvoorregte.
Maar helaas, ons praat maklik van hooligan goeters, kan julle bybring? Toemaar, ek verstaan.

Ek sal sweep met die 525 ;D
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Fenderbender on January 08, 2010, 09:04:21 pm
FB, ek sou hoop jy wil nie n HP2 mt n "ancient" bike vergelyk nie, maar jy is heeltemal reg, waarom nie n "mini hooligan challenge" nie.
Kry 5xHP2"s en 5xSE"s en dan maak ons n dag in Matroosberg 4x4 , perfekte "hooligan" area.
Of is jou beskrywing van n hooligan rit 180 op die N7?
Ek boek vroegtydig my toeskouersvoorregte.
Maar helaas, ons praat maklik van hooligan goeters, kan julle bybring? Toemaar, ek verstaan.

Verstaan ek jou nou reg , ry jy n HP ipv n XT 500 wat f@kken lelik is .
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Trokkie on January 08, 2010, 09:09:50 pm
I do have an answer , why not put a ride together with only SE owners and HP2 owners . Say 5 from each and it must be your own bike , just to eliminate paid riders . At the end of the day we will find that both brands are suited for the job , just depends on your personal touch . And "2stroke Fan ", this will be a comparison between hooligan bikes , not ancient bikes like yours .

An when the KTM's  loose their owners will say : But we've bought Race Ready Bikes  :pot:

Ha Ha

En dit is: READY TO RACE :ricky:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Fenderbender on January 08, 2010, 09:14:05 pm
 :imaposer:   :imaposer: O jy vat hom soos wat dit vir jou geadverteer word .  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 08, 2010, 09:16:25 pm
FB, ek sou hoop jy wil nie n HP2 mt n "ancient" bike vergelyk nie, maar jy is heeltemal reg, waarom nie n "mini hooligan challenge" nie.
Kry 5xHP2"s en 5xSE"s en dan maak ons n dag in Matroosberg 4x4 , perfekte "hooligan" area.
Of is jou beskrywing van n hooligan rit 180 op die N7?
Ek boek vroegtydig my toeskouersvoorregte.
Maar helaas, ons praat maklik van hooligan goeters, kan julle bybring? Toemaar, ek verstaan.

Ek't n vermoede jy ly aan kortman-sindroom 2TDan...

n XT, alhoewel oneindig stadig, gee baie confidence- die bike is laag en jy stuur hom met die voete as dit moet.....

So ja, jy ry die kak uit die ding, veral op jou gekose roetes waar jy die held is :pot:

Klim uit jou comfort zone en begin die bikes te ry wat Fenderbender graag wil koop - after all KAN hy bike ry :mwink:
 

Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Trokkie on January 08, 2010, 09:17:34 pm
Pasop FB as ek so na die kinders op die skoolbus luister is jy dalk ook een van die dae RTR >:D

In watter span van 5 gaan jy wees? ;)
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Fenderbender on January 08, 2010, 09:30:46 pm
Was nog nooit n spanspeler nie . Moet ook nie alles glo wat die meisies met die kort rokkies op die skoolbus in jou oor fluister nie .
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 08, 2010, 09:32:21 pm
HsK, het aansoek gedoen vir kortmansindroom, maar kwalifiseer nog nie op 1,76m.
Jy het ook begin deurmekaar praat, wil jy nou my XT insleep? Om met jou wat te vergelyk? En wie het jou geleer om n bike met die "voete"
te stuur? Jy moet liefs begin om n bietjie respek vir ouderdom te toon. After all, XT500"s het mos al Afrika platgery nog voor iemand BMW van
knobbly tyres vertel het.
Ek moet jou toegee, n XT is vrek stadig!
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Fenderbender on January 08, 2010, 09:36:36 pm
Praat van deurmekaar praat .  :salut:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 08, 2010, 09:39:37 pm
HsK, het aansoek gedoen vir kortmansindroom, maar kwalifiseer nog nie op 1,76m.
Jy het ook begin deurmekaar praat, wil jy nou my XT insleep? Om met jou wat te vergelyk? En wie het jou geleer om n bike met die "voete"
te stuur? Jy moet liefs begin om n bietjie respek vir ouderdom te toon. After all, XT500"s het mos al Afrika platgery nog voor iemand BMW van
knobbly tyres vertel het.
Ek moet jou toegee, n XT is vrek stadig!

Geen probleem, baie rspek vir jou trips, watch net vir die ouens wat ook iets weet :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 08, 2010, 09:40:14 pm
Duidelik nie  " n goeie begrip het net nhalwe oor nodig" situasie met jou nie, of hoe, FenderBender?
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 08, 2010, 09:50:02 pm
Ja-nee, die 'replies' het stadig maar seker deur gekom op die net.  2 T Dan - hoop jy geniet die wingerde, Jacko - hoop jy geniet jouself :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 08, 2010, 09:51:04 pm
Dammit, te laat gepost!
FB, ons val nou mekaar aan, dis nie lekker nie.
Ek is nie n eienaar van n HP2 of n SE nie, maar ek ken motorfietse, het met die goed grootgeword.
Beide kragtig, maar SE lyk sommer na n "regte" offroad vanuit die staanspoor.
KTM=ready to race, en dit weerspieel in hul hele veldfiets reeks. { ek kan dit verduidelik as jy wou]
BMW HP2= eienaars moet op eie koste luginlate herontwerp, vir enige ernstige rywerk moet die veerstelsel opgradeer word.
Teen die tyd dat n HP2 voldoende valbeskerming ophet, lyk dit soos n 2wiel pypkar.
Nou waar is die vergelyking?
P.S. bly altyd objektief.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Beserker on January 09, 2010, 12:15:29 am

Wag tot hy se 'great' vir wat  :merror:


 :imaposer:   ek ys..

But Maverick does raise some valid points.., 180 (?) kg of hardware gaining serious momentum poses serious stress on the structure of the bike, and if offroad, although both able, will cost you a fortune to maintain.  So if offroad is your primary objective, maybe  neither and rather a big thumper, like the ones they use in the Dakar?

Maverick also mentions he has seen more HP2 commuting, maybe indicative of the respective owner's perception of the bikes and the intention that they are to be used for...On paper, the SE is the better suited to off road (suspension components etc.) ...a consideration..
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 09, 2010, 12:21:26 am
Dammit, te laat gepost!
FB, ons val nou mekaar aan, dis nie lekker nie.
Ek is nie n eienaar van n HP2 of n SE nie, maar ek ken motorfietse, het met die goed grootgeword.
Beide kragtig, maar SE lyk sommer na n "regte" offroad vanuit die staanspoor.
KTM=ready to race, en dit weerspieel in hul hele veldfiets reeks. { ek kan dit verduidelik as jy wou]
BMW HP2= eienaars moet op eie koste luginlate herontwerp, vir enige ernstige rywerk moet die veerstelsel opgradeer word.
Teen die tyd dat n HP2 voldoende valbeskerming ophet, lyk dit soos n 2wiel pypkar.
Nou waar is die vergelyking?
P.S. bly altyd objektief.

Miskien hou sekere ouens van n pypkar - al ooit daaraan gedink :mwink:

Waar is die vergelyking nou Slim Jan Dan?

PS: Bly ASB objektief
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 09, 2010, 12:28:40 am
READY TO RACE.
If you were to compare KTM 250 2t to the Yamaha 250 2t, it was allways that the KTM is more expensive, but on the KTM you would get
Renthal alloy bars, "0"ring chain and a full race pipe. On the Yam steel bars, std. chain and pipe. You would need to fit these goodies to the Yam to make it race ready.
Hence the KTM slogan of Ready to race.

P.S. The fact that the Yamaha is a much tougher bike than the KTM has no bearing on above statement.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 09, 2010, 12:31:18 am
Presies my vraag, HSK, hoe kan jy die 2 fietse in standaard vorm vergelyk? En dit is waaroor die draad gaan.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Beserker on January 09, 2010, 12:33:52 am
I do have an answer , why not put a ride together with only SE owners and HP2 owners . Say 5 from each and it must be your own bike , just to eliminate paid riders . At the end of the day we will find that both brands are suited for the job , just depends on your personal touch . And "2stroke Fan ", this will be a comparison between hooligan bikes , not ancient bikes like yours .

First you lay down a challenge...and exlude 2TDan

Ek sien daars niks anders om te doen in Waenhuiskrans as om k@k te soek op die WD forum nie .  Sien jys op lyn 2 stroke fan .

Then a bit of agitation to get some attention..At which 2TDan confirms that he would like to be a spectator

FB, ek sou hoop jy wil nie n HP2 mt n "ancient" bike vergelyk nie, maar jy is heeltemal reg, waarom nie n "mini hooligan challenge" nie.
Kry 5xHP2"s en 5xSE"s en dan maak ons n dag in Matroosberg 4x4 , perfekte "hooligan" area.
Of is jou beskrywing van n hooligan rit 180 op die N7?
Ek boek vroegtydig my toeskouersvoorregte.
Maar helaas, ons praat maklik van hooligan goeters, kan julle bybring? Toemaar, ek verstaan.

Ek't n vermoede jy ly aan kortman-sindroom 2TDan...
n XT, alhoewel oneindig stadig, gee baie confidence- die bike is laag en jy stuur hom met die voete as dit moet.....


And he promptly gets kakked out for be a kort mannetjie..2tDan I thought posting a pic of the XT will give them something to talk about, the intention was not to rattle them.. ;D

Klim uit jou comfort zone en begin die bikes te ry wat Fenderbender graag wil koop - after all KAN hy bike ry :mwink:

And 2TDan not?   :imaposer:  Ride I mean?    :ricky:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 09, 2010, 12:44:27 am
One of the main manne in W. Cape bike circles has just swopped his BMW for a 950SE.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Beserker on January 09, 2010, 01:03:35 am
One of the main manne in W. Cape bike circles has just swopped his BMW for a 950SE.

Did he only read the specs :deal: or CAN he ride ;D
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on January 09, 2010, 01:10:31 am
Was 250cc S.A. national champion.[motocross]
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 09, 2010, 02:12:58 am
Die 'draad' gaan eintlik oor die ou wat graag n HP wou koop en toe 'akkies' gehoor het.

Paar ouens het by die onderwerp gehou (vb: Jacko wat die spyker op die kop geslaan het want hy't die feite agter die storie gehad), meeste ouens het gekies om tos te praat want dis lekker.  Ek hou self daarvan om so nou en dan bietjie kak te praat en gee nie om as iemand my kak byt nie.  

Feit van die saak is dat niemand like as sy bike afgekraak word.  Ja, my bike se air intake sit hopeloos te laag (sopas weer ervaar in rivier), but so be it (ek kan dit maklik 'modify') - om te se n bike "lyk sommer na n regte offroad" is so wyd soos die liewe Heer se genade..... (2TDan - ek moes jou aanhaal)

(Nota:  Vir wat dit mag werd wees - my volgende bike sal heel moontlik (99%) n 990S/R wees (5mnde terug al begin soek na een en toe op ys gesit) synde my dit beter sal pas vir my langer solo trips.  Dis nie een of ander emosionele besluit nie, doodeenvoudig n kwessie van - maak jou eie besluit en stick daarby)

      

Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Fenderbender on January 09, 2010, 01:50:28 pm
Was 250cc S.A. national champion.[motocross]

 :laughing4: Nog nooit in my lewe motocross gery nie , paar enduros ingepak in my lewe en darem saam met Alfie ook in n race gery. Deesdae vat ek dinge rustiger , daars niks lekkerder as om saam met Altus n paar draaie op die Nuy Enduro baan te gaan ry en daarna te gaan afkoel met n koue enetjie nie . Ek mag nou wel 20 jaar ouer wees as hy , maar ek hou nog steeds daarvan om saam te ry , al gooi hulle my onder klippe.  ;D ek hou ook daarvan om so nou en dan bietjie te stir , alles in goeie gesindheid natuurlik .  ;D Ek dink nog steeds die HP2 is n baie lekker fiets om te besit en is nog steeds een van my gunstelinge .  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Hentie @ Riders on January 09, 2010, 09:23:51 pm
2sd dis reg met my as ek weer in die kaap is kan ons maar gaan ry en dan kyk wat gebeur  :mwink:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: SGB on January 09, 2010, 10:47:14 pm
Dis nie een of ander emosionele besluit nie, doodeenvoudig n kwessie van - maak jou eie besluit en stick daarby
Klink maar so bietjie emosioneel vir my....   Bike keuse is meeste gevalle verseker nie op specs, feite en gesonde verstand gegrond nie....  :laughing4:  Hijack off sorry.
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: michnus on January 09, 2010, 10:52:32 pm
READY TO RACE.
If you were to compare KTM 250 2t to the Yamaha 250 2t, it was allways that the KTM is more expensive, but on the KTM you would get
Renthal alloy bars, "0"ring chain and a full race pipe. On the Yam steel bars, std. chain and pipe. You would need to fit these goodies to the Yam to make it race ready.
Hence the KTM slogan of Ready to race.

P.S. The fact that the Yamaha is a much tougher bike than the KTM has no bearing on above statement.

 :imaposer: Gaan loop val hy toe ook vir die stront om die mond marketing. Nee wat, ek sal nou weet om nie jou opinie in die toekoms vir te veel te vat nie.  ;)
Title: Re: Wanted BMW HP2 .. sorry changed my mind - heard kaak things!
Post by: Trokkie on January 10, 2010, 07:45:43 am
Dis interesant hoe die thread begin het oor 'n HP2 se "swak"  punte en hoe KTM dan by die hele debakel ingesleep word. As jy eers 'n ander brand wil swak maak om jou eie te laat goed lyk is dit al laat in die aand vir jou. :-\

En dan begin noem jy sommer lede van die forum wat dit waag om kritiek te lewer( en dis alles geldige kritiek) neerhalende name. Swak smaak as dit van my afhang. :'(