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Title: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: plonker on February 01, 2010, 11:49:29 am
I have just got some info via a friend that someone is importing and selling Orange bikes at excellent prices.Apparently all legit.Around 90k for a 990 (New).I have no numbers to contact as yet but comes from a reliable source.Any other folk hear about it. :)
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: luke on February 01, 2010, 11:56:54 am
If it sounds too good to be true . . . . . . . . . . . .
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Jim on February 01, 2010, 11:57:03 am
Sounds like the gumtree scam?
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: the_wes on February 01, 2010, 12:06:10 pm
sounds like a grey importer. all's well until something breaks and the local KTM boys tell you where to go...
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Snafu on February 01, 2010, 12:09:34 pm
sounds like a grey importer. all's well until something breaks and the local KTM boys tell you where to go...
Why would they turn away any business?

Honda, Suzuki, etc dont have issues with grey imports
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 01, 2010, 12:14:44 pm
sounds like a grey importer. all's well until something breaks and the local KTM boys tell you where to go...

well 90k vs 140k = 50k is a lot of money to pay just for dealer support

i'll buy a brand new 990 at 90k without warranty if its legit  :-\
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 01, 2010, 12:16:08 pm
but then again i'll believe it when i see it
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Trippple XC on February 01, 2010, 12:37:27 pm
sounds like a grey importer. all's well until something breaks and the local KTM boys tell you where to go...

well 90k vs 140k = 50k is a lot of money to pay just for dealer support

i'll buy a brand new 990 at 90k without warranty if its legit  :-\
Imagine the cost structure of a shop the likes of KTM Cape Town,If you dont make profits or provision for warranties you will close your door's FAST.
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: plonker on February 01, 2010, 12:46:11 pm
sounds like a grey importer. all's well until something breaks and the local KTM boys tell you where to go...

well 90k vs 140k = 50k is a lot of money to pay just for dealer support

i'll buy a brand new 990 at 90k without warranty if its legit  :-\

My sentiments exactly.At 90 pops I'll take the risk.But apparently they have warranty.But I can't beleive KTM SA would allow this,but then again how can they stop it.
But no KTM dealer will turn business away.It sounds as if the person involved use to work for Katoom.If they get it right "cheers to them"At least someone fighting inflation.
 
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: IceCreamMan on February 01, 2010, 12:49:20 pm
sounds like a grey importer. all's well until something breaks and the local KTM boys tell you where to go...

even on the official imports the local ktm boys tell your where to go  :pot:


Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: shark_za on February 01, 2010, 12:51:45 pm
sounds like a grey importer. all's well until something breaks and the local KTM boys tell you where to go...

even on the official imports the local ktm boys tell your where to go  :pot:





Your bank manager and the proctologist
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: I&horse on February 01, 2010, 01:03:04 pm
If it sounds too good to be true . . . . . . . . . . . .

Until I see it with my own eyes.

I wonder if you would be able to finance such a bike?
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 01, 2010, 01:06:53 pm
If it sounds too good to be true . . . . . . . . . . . .

Until I see it with my own eyes.

I wonder if you would be able to finance such a bike?

if they do the effort to import it i'm sure they would do the effort to get the finance approved

if you can finance crappy f*cked up cars they sell on voortrekker road you should be able to finance anything  :-\
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Paulsky on February 01, 2010, 01:08:10 pm
I've also heard this from a few okes, yet to see the bikes though, sound like a crock of shit, I'm sure it's possible but would like to see with my own eyes first. I wouldn't mind a 950SE cheap.
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: luke on February 01, 2010, 01:14:14 pm
Buy a Goose toob for R 90 150 and get a bike for free :pot:
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: zagser on February 01, 2010, 01:41:13 pm
I know someone who is in the process of acquiring such a bike.
Apparantly the bikes are at Durban harbour at the moment with Customs.

Around 90-something k for the 990R, and 60-something for a 950SE!
Problem is you have to pay cash before it is ordered, no finance.

My concern would be back-up support and then of course nobody knows what will happen with regards to Customs and import duties and of course E-natis registration?  ???

I will have my reservations on this until I see the bike before my very own eyes though...

Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: plonker on February 01, 2010, 01:48:37 pm
I think there will be a que of Dawgs cash in hand.Lets hope it works and they have ducks in a row.Should not be problem with registering it .......unless it is a left hand drive :imaposer:
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 01, 2010, 01:54:14 pm
when the first dog has one and can confirm all these rumors we might just have a huge rush

but there is a old saying

if it sounds to good to be true it probably is to good to be true

these bikes will come from EU - ie. euro's and the rand is not strong against the euro

if it was harleys i could believe it cause the dollar is so k@k at the moment  :-\
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Varadero on February 01, 2010, 01:56:17 pm
A couple of yeras back there used to be a dealer near Cresta here in Jhb (I think it was called Cayenne Sport or something to that effect) that had a whole bunch of KTM's that they brought in, they sold them at a much cheaper price and the KTM SA guys nailed the buyers when they wanted spares >:(

Now what happens if I decide to buy a KTM while I'm traveling around Europe and ride it back to SA, are they going to give me the same amount of grief because it isn't an official KTM SA bike?  Honda used to be #@%$ing irritating with spare parts and VIN numbers having to be provided but I see that they've stopped their kark
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: plonker on February 01, 2010, 01:57:23 pm
O ye of little faith.Go pay the FULL price then ;)
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Christian Kuun on February 01, 2010, 02:03:47 pm
I know someone who is in the process of acquiring such a bike.
Apparantly the bikes are at Durban harbour at the moment with Customs.

Around 90-something k for the 990R, and 60-something for a 950SE!
Problem is you have to pay cash before it is ordered, no finance.



Tell your mate to be very careful! My stepdad didnt listen to me and also did this deal with 2 blasters...expensive exercise it was indeed. All was legit and bikes were in the harbou. All you had to do was pay upfront so that they could be released but then the guy couldnt deliver and he got sued and- and- and .........YOU NEVER GET YOUR MONEY BACK.
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: zagser on February 01, 2010, 02:05:32 pm
when the first dog has one and can confirm all these rumors we might just have a huge rush

but there is a old saying

if it sounds to good to be true it probably is to good to be true

these bikes will come from EU - ie. euro's and the rand is not strong against the euro

if it was harleys i could believe it cause the dollar is so k@k at the moment  :-\

Thats the strange thing, apparently it is stock from KTM USA, thats why the prices are so low...

There might be some truth to the left hand drive theory then!  >:D  :imaposer:

Only time will tell if this is indeed too good to be true...
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: zagser on February 01, 2010, 02:13:45 pm
I know someone who is in the process of acquiring such a bike.
Apparantly the bikes are at Durban harbour at the moment with Customs.

Around 90-something k for the 990R, and 60-something for a 950SE!
Problem is you have to pay cash before it is ordered, no finance.



Tell your mate to be very careful! My stepdad didnt listen to me and also did this deal with 2 blasters...expensive exercise it was indeed. All was legit and bikes were in the harbou. All you had to do was pay upfront so that they could be released but then the guy couldnt deliver and he got sued and- and- and .........YOU NEVER GET YOUR MONEY BACK.

Everyone has their doubts, but he seems to be willing to take that chance.
Lets hope that he does not need to write it off as school fees...

I have heard of businesses bringing in second hand bikes by the container succesfully, only to be left with nothing after the third or fourth shipment.  :-\
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Kamanya on February 01, 2010, 02:44:31 pm
Why grey KTM's weren't a good idea (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=2227.msg28846#msg28846)
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 01, 2010, 02:59:04 pm
A couple of yeras back there used to be a dealer near Cresta here in Jhb (I think it was called Cayenne Sport or something to that effect) that had a whole bunch of KTM's that they brought in, they sold them at a much cheaper price and the KTM SA guys nailed the buyers when they wanted spares >:(

Now what happens if I decide to buy a KTM while I'm traveling around Europe and ride it back to SA, are they going to give me the same amount of grief because it isn't an official KTM SA bike?  Honda used to be #@%$ing irritating with spare parts and VIN numbers having to be provided but I see that they've stopped their kark

that VIN thing is so easy to get past

just go on the internet and search which VIN were assigned to South Africa

or use your buddy's VIN number or write down the VIN number from the bike thats parked at the mall or airport

Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on February 01, 2010, 03:04:38 pm
Interesting reading

Funny that these things remain hush hush.

For R60k I would buy an SE now. But no contact detail?

I would however never give money to someone who I don't know without any guarantee.
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Stofdonkie on February 01, 2010, 03:28:39 pm
If you can't see it ... don't buy it!
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: RobC on February 01, 2010, 03:37:24 pm
 Honda used to be #@%$ing irritating with spare parts and VIN numbers having to be provided but I see that they've stopped their kark
Because Honda Japan told them to stop nitpicking and sell spares! >:D
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 01, 2010, 03:38:28 pm
If you can't see it ... don't buy it!

personally i wont fork out 90k cash to some bloke that you know from nowhere - has no dealership - no setup - nothing

tomorrow he is gone with your money and then everyone will say "are you stupid or what giving some oke that you dont know almost 100k cash"
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Stofdonkie on February 01, 2010, 03:43:41 pm
If you can't see it ... don't buy it!

personally i wont fork out 90k cash to some bloke that you know from nowhere - has no dealership - no setup - nothing

tomorrow he is gone with your money and then everyone will say "are you stupid or what giving some oke that you dont know almost 100k cash"


Jip ... rather give to a lawyer to put in trust ... then provide securities to seller. But cash...? ... it's going to hurt ...  :BangHead:
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Dux on February 01, 2010, 05:19:27 pm
If it sounds too good to be true . . . . . . . . . . . .

Until I see it with my own eyes.

I wonder if you would be able to finance such a bike?

Generally not , we have to provide proof that the bikes we finance for customers are not grey imports before the finance is approved.
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Metaljockey on February 01, 2010, 06:06:42 pm
I see the manufacturers recommended selling price in the US for the SE is $13200 or about R100 000. It will be pretty difficult for someone to source a new bike there, pay for shipping it over here, add a profit and sell it for R60 000.
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Grondpad ™ on February 02, 2010, 08:11:02 am
Who ever is selling these bikes, please pm me.  I will pay cash on delivery (delivery only) !!!!
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 09:07:43 am
we still have not seen any proof or anyone that said "I bought one and its a bargain" ???

sounding more and more like a gumtree scam  :-\
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: michnus on February 02, 2010, 10:07:24 am
I have just got some info via a friend that someone is importing and selling Orange bikes at excellent prices.Apparently all legit.Around 90k for a 990 (New).I have no numbers to contact as yet but comes from a reliable source.Any other folk hear about it. :)

name and give details. Other than that it is wet dreams form somebody wishing for a cheap KTM. 


okay okay, it's me and Bakkies importing them  :thumleft:
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=33324.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=33324.0)
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: shark_za on February 02, 2010, 10:20:29 pm
Could it be in the same vein as Triumph SA's last selling of container damaged bikes.
Thanks for the heads up on that one.

NOT.
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Katoom on February 03, 2010, 10:02:31 am
I say bring in the grey imports. We are being bent over barrels by the likes of KTM SA.

Take the Price of eg. Scorpion tyres. Two years ago pricing went up to about R2000.00. The reason we were fed is the "The exchange Rate".  Someone took initiative and brought in Heidenau at half the price. Raai wat! You can now buy Scorps at less than a thousand rand from KTM.( and they're still making a profit).

How is it possible that I can land KTM OE products in SA from USA (KTM Twins) Cheaper and quicker than I can get it from my local KTM dealer?

I'm not blaming the dealer, I reacon the shafting is done by the top structure.

Put me down for a 950SE

Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: XXL on February 03, 2010, 11:31:46 am
Even R60k is an expensive lesson...
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: plonker on February 03, 2010, 12:20:20 pm
At 90k I will take the  R. :D
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: plonker on February 03, 2010, 03:58:37 pm
Here's a number for you guys and gals. Gerald 041 581 0638.
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: zagser on February 05, 2010, 07:52:30 am
Well, I have seen a new 990R with my own eyes last night. R105k final price.   :drif:
Warranty (2years) honoured by KTM, and bike PDI'ed by a SA KTM shop!

Are we being shafted by KTM SA?

I also have a name and number if you are interested.
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Oros on February 05, 2010, 08:46:48 am
 :thumleft: pm me the contact details please
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: I&horse on February 05, 2010, 08:55:42 am
:thumleft: pm me the contact details please

Ditto, please PM details
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: GO GIRL on February 05, 2010, 10:07:53 am
This is very interesting lets see what transpires.... ::)
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: edgy on February 05, 2010, 10:26:03 am
Put the name and number on the forum for all to see!
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: blue flame on February 05, 2010, 10:30:20 am
PM me the number as well
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Avontier on February 05, 2010, 10:40:51 am
It's just strange how the R was sold out months ago and in great demand. Are they readily available again? Enough to supply the grey market?
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: N[]vA on February 05, 2010, 10:59:00 am
:thumleft: pm me the contact details please

Ditto, please PM details
me too plz
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Motties on February 05, 2010, 11:11:59 am
OK here's a deal, if anyone can get a new & (fairly) legit SE for around 60K, buy it, bring it to my house and I will give you 85k. You make 25k and I am as happy as a swine in shit! :ricky:
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: plonker on February 05, 2010, 12:01:12 pm
Jonna ,maar ek sien ek het julle baie opgewonde the maak.Die boys will net besigheid doen. :ricky:
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: ktm korporaal on February 05, 2010, 02:04:39 pm
Also saw the bike and spoke to the guy. Everything is legit. If you can buy it show the money; if you dont have the money or you are not interrested stop moaning and giving these kak comments!!!
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on February 05, 2010, 02:54:11 pm
Why is everybody so secretive?

Especially those that have a contact or seen a bike?

Why not post the details here?
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: plonker on February 05, 2010, 03:15:34 pm
Oh gosh look everybody we've upset ktm corporaal :pot:
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Stoetbul on February 05, 2010, 03:22:32 pm
Plonker. Gooi bietjie meer inligting asb. Ek is seker ek vra namens baie ouens. Groot ASB?
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: plonker on February 05, 2010, 04:15:39 pm
Stoetie,further back on the thread I gave Gerald in PE'S no.just phone him,but I do not know if he is the same seller/supplier who the other guys who have "SEEN" the bike are talking about it may well be there are others who can also supply.
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: apache1 on February 06, 2010, 09:40:26 pm
@ zagser
Please send me those contact details as well. Will also start doing a bit of research on this very interesting topic. I need a 990 ! Thanks  8)
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 06, 2010, 10:34:24 pm
if this was legit they would try to sell as many as they can - business is business  :mwink:

why the details available on request and reference once cloak and dagger  ???
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: wrench on February 07, 2010, 09:19:03 pm
Stoetie,further back on the thread I gave Gerald in PE'S no.just phone him,but I do not know if he is the same seller/supplier who the other guys who have "SEEN" the bike are talking about it may well be there are others who can also supply.

Hopefully this is not Gerald Korky!
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Etienne2T on February 07, 2010, 10:02:22 pm
Quote:
I got the feeling the goods were odd...when the odds were good
::)
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Tubeless on February 08, 2010, 08:30:52 am
Stoetie,further back on the thread I gave Gerald in PE'S no.just phone him,but I do not know if he is the same seller/supplier who the other guys who have "SEEN" the bike are talking about it may well be there are others who can also supply.

Hopefully this is not Gerald Korky!

Why ? Would you like to greet him in a dark alley with a wrench?  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: motoman on February 09, 2010, 10:28:54 pm
Has anyone phoned Gerald yet?
I only saw this thread now and is too late to phone.
Put me down for a 990R.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: FatOldSun on February 09, 2010, 11:09:21 pm
this is not motorbike related, but still relevant.  I paid R50,000 for a new hobie tiger boat, catemaran, at Hobie Cat Cape Town.   Next minute they declare themselves bankrupt, I lose my money, there is some liquidation going on now, but they are selling Hobie Cat's again, under a new owner.   

All I am saying is, be careful with these people, there's loads of Sharks in the sea, trust me, I've seen them. 

now, I would pay only if I see things, for R105K, I would buy a KTM 990R, but only if I see it, no negotiantions.  The money is there, show me the motorbike.
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: zetman on February 10, 2010, 10:24:03 am
Someone get gerald to become a forum vendor then everything can be discussed on the forum openly
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Kat on February 10, 2010, 12:36:48 pm
I spoke to Gerald,he said that he get the KTM 's from a friend in Pretoria
who has a KTM dealership,but the prices on the forum is wayout.Apparently
he sells the 990R for about R136 000
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: plonker on February 10, 2010, 01:34:41 pm
Yes gave me those numbers aswell so either he does better deals for some folk or there is somebody else also doing deep darkside business out there.
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: nelf13 on February 10, 2010, 09:40:36 pm
Im doing transport for a importing company.
They import KTM, Suzuki, Ducati ect.

Prices are not to bad if I can go on the insurance value of the bikes.
KTM 300  R79 000!
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Metaljockey on February 14, 2010, 09:28:43 am
So we started with this

Around 90k for a 990 (New).

and ended with this

the prices on the forum is wayout.Apparently he sells the 990R for about R136 000


Or is this thread not wound up yet?

What happened to this part?

Well, I have seen a new 990R with my own eyes last night. R105k final price.   :drif:
Warranty (2years) honoured by KTM, and bike PDI'ed by a SA KTM shop!
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: plonker on February 15, 2010, 10:08:13 am
It's all a big mystery really. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: motoman on February 15, 2010, 10:16:23 am
If only someone can import a few 990R`s for the wilddogs @ R105k then I am sure we will have a big order list.  :3some:
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Avontier on February 15, 2010, 01:40:18 pm
I have R10 000 cash that you can buy for R7 500.
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: KobusL on February 15, 2010, 01:49:52 pm
So when are we seeing the first ride-report?  :ricky:
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on February 15, 2010, 01:51:20 pm
I have R10 000 cash that you can buy for R7 500.

Can you courier the R10k to me. I will pay COD.  ;)
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: NISMARK on February 15, 2010, 01:52:26 pm
So when are we seeing the first ride-report?  :ricky:

When they receive the wheels for a pricely sum of R25k per wheel!!  :pot: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: motoman on February 15, 2010, 02:22:04 pm
So when are we seeing the first ride-report?  :ricky:


This is the ride report and we all have been taken on it!  O0
Title: Re: Cheap KTM'S
Post by: Avontier on February 15, 2010, 02:33:47 pm
I have R10 000 cash that you can buy for R7 500.

Can you courier the R10k to me. I will pay COD.  ;)

I'll need a deposit  ;)

I've got pics:
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:X-q9UgDKV9W0pM:http://www.sacredise.com/ezine/SA%2520Rands.jpg)