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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 09:14:37 am

Title: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 09:14:37 am
why do people lie and withhold information about problems on their bikes ???

there has been numerous cases on the forum

one person will tell you everything thats good and bad about their bike - they will tell you if something is broken

but lots of dogs dont share the information wrt problems that they have

in the one thread they will proclaim that their specific bike is the best DS bike ever built and it is the perfect compromise - off-road, on-road, etc etc

but meanwhile back at the ranch their bike is in piece as it is broken down for the umpteenth time in the last couple of months ???

why is this - do they think if they keep the bad information off the forum they might be able to sell it one day to an unsuspecting dog ???

or are they just to proud to admit that their bike has problems ???

this is not a brand thing - this happens across all brands

i have found that bmw owners are more open about the problems - purely cause they believe that a bmw should never ever have any problems and when it gets a problem they throw all their toys out of the cot  :peepwall:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Pom on February 02, 2010, 09:15:33 am
 :pot:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: IceCreamMan on February 02, 2010, 09:16:45 am
reminds me , my tenere is the best bike ever made ...zero zip problems iwth it
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: cloudgazer on February 02, 2010, 09:18:00 am


i have found that bmw owners are more open about the problems - purely cause they believe that a bmw should never ever have any problems and when it gets a problem they throw all their toys out of the cot  :peepwall:

100%

If my bike ever gives me shit, I'll definitely have a toy throwing tantrum.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: LeonDude on February 02, 2010, 09:20:14 am
We just did it because we wanted to see your reaction.  >:D

Sorry, couldn't help that.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Ama ride ride on February 02, 2010, 09:26:28 am
 :pot:

Sorry Bob but this is a brand thing

Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 09:31:56 am
i figured this thread will just be a bunch of chirps  :-\

was hoping for some of the withhelders to grace us with some reasons

not sure if people have to justify their decissions to themselves and they do this by not admitting to problems and stuff

bikes are mechanical machines - they all break - some sooner than others

but why you would not share that information i dont know ???

i'll be straight up and say that i have had the following problems on the dakar in the last 50000km

1. blown fuse due to the dealer getting water into the indicator switch (ie. dont use high pressure washers)
2. 3 yes 3 steering head bearings sets
3. 1 swing arm bearing set
4. 1 iffy HT coil

ps: i was lucky and all this was fixed under warranty
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Road Rage on February 02, 2010, 09:50:08 am
KTM 950
18000km's
-Shot rearwheel bearings at 15000kms'
-Hard shifing (false neautrals) - changed the oil, problem gone.

Thats all. :thumleft:
Oh yes, and lost the front collar screw, have not replaced it yet.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Stoetbul on February 02, 2010, 09:53:05 am
i figured this thread will just be a bunch of chirps  :-\

was hoping for some of the withhelders to grace us with some reasons

not sure if people have to justify their decissions to themselves and they do this by not admitting to problems and stuff

bikes are mechanical machines - they all break - some sooner than others

but why you would not share that information i dont know ???

i'll be straight up and say that i have had the following problems on the dakar in the last 50000km

1. blown fuse due to the dealer getting water into the indicator switch (ie. dont use high pressure washers)
2. 3 yes 3 steering head bearings sets
3. 1 swing arm bearing set
4. 1 iffy HT coil

ps: i was lucky and all this was fixed under warranty

No need for me to chirp on this thread. Have had 4 990 KTM'S. I can honestly say that I have had the following problems.
Bike no 1: Apart from the dings in the front rim no problems. New owner reports back from time to time,no problems.
Bike no 2: Due to my own wrong doing I lost a battery on this bike. New owner had a small problem with the bike cutting out while riding, but that seems to be sorted out now.
Bike no 3: Lost a gearbox on this bike,but I think the bike was faulty from new. New box in and new owner happy.
Bike no 4: No problems up intil now,exept for a steering damper oil leak,but that is not part of the bike.
Normal wear and tear on all the bike eg: tyres,chains and sprockets.
Touch wood,but up until now I am happy with my choice of brand and the enjoyment they have given me.
Had 2 GS 1200's as well and on them no major problems.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: cloudgazer on February 02, 2010, 09:57:47 am
I've replaced:
steering head bearing
swing arm bearing
indicator switch
fork seals

All done under warranty.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: XXL on February 02, 2010, 10:01:44 am
I think the KLR owners have been pretty straight forward. I read this thread, http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=22039.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=22039.0) as well as the "Doohicky" thread and its pretty straight forward...KLR's have their qwirks and if you don't like that, don't buy one. I still love this bike. It's not fancy and never professes to be, but it gets me out there where bikes that cost three times the price go.
However, compare "Apples with Apples" as they say.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 10:07:01 am
I think the KLR owners have been pretty straight forward. I read this thread, http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=22039.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=22039.0) as well as the "Doohicky" thread and its pretty straight forward...KLR's have their qwirks and if you don't like that, don't buy one. I still love this bike. It's not fancy and never professes to be, but it gets me out there where bikes that cost three times the price go.
However, compare "Apples with Apples" as they say.

i agree - the klr owners are generally very open and honest about the issues

even in the sales pitch when selling the bike they will list all the problems  :thumleft:

but i still dont know why people would not share information about their bikes ???

as i figured they will not post/reply on this thread ???
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: LeonDude on February 02, 2010, 10:07:18 am
Maybe some people see stuff as pure maintenance things. I've replaced a lot of stuff on my bike and wouldn't write on the forum about it - because you have to do maintenance on a bike.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 10:12:20 am
Maybe some people see stuff as pure maintenance things. I've replaced a lot of stuff on my bike and wouldn't write on the forum about it - because you have to do maintenance on a bike.

oil filters plugs chains sprockets tyres etc is maintenance

replacing bearings, fixing heads, gearboxes that pack up, etc - that aint maintenance  ???
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: LeonDude on February 02, 2010, 10:15:16 am
I still see replacing bearings, valve jobs, fork oil and seals, swingarm etc as routine maintenance.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Stoetbul on February 02, 2010, 10:16:45 am
I think the KLR owners have been pretty straight forward. I read this thread, http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=22039.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=22039.0) as well as the "Doohicky" thread and its pretty straight forward...KLR's have their qwirks and if you don't like that, don't buy one. I still love this bike. It's not fancy and never professes to be, but it gets me out there where bikes that cost three times the price go.
However, compare "Apples with Apples" as they say.

i agree - the klr owners are generally very open and honest about the issues

even in the sales pitch when selling the bike they will list all the problems  :thumleft:

but i still dont know why people would not share information about their bikes ???

as i figured they will not post/reply on this thread ???
See my post. Listed the few things that has been replaced over the last couple of years.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: dieterf on February 02, 2010, 10:18:54 am
my KTM, done 25000, one failed fuel pump, one battery replcemant.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: LeonDude on February 02, 2010, 10:19:29 am
Now if someone had an off with the bike, a serious one like I had in Lesotho, and tried to hide it when selling, that would get my blood pressure up.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Gryshond on February 02, 2010, 10:20:29 am
i figured this thread will just be a bunch of chirps  :-\

was hoping for some of the withhelders to grace us with some reasons


Bob, waht triggered this thread? I have not seen evidence of anyone withholding.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Stoetbul on February 02, 2010, 10:22:39 am
Now if someone had an off with the bike, a serious one like I had in Lesotho, and tried to hide it when selling, that would get my blood pressure up.
With you on this 1. I always tell the buyer of all the dings and scratches if he cannot see the bike in person.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 10:23:57 am
i figured this thread will just be a bunch of chirps  :-\

was hoping for some of the withhelders to grace us with some reasons


Bob, waht triggered this thread? I have not seen evidence of anyone withholding.

there are lots of dogs that do this

then one day at drinks you hear via the grapevine " __________  bike is completely f*cked the __________ is shot"

but you never see that post on the forum ???

then 3 weeks later __________ would continue on as if nothing ever broke and when people ask about bikes and problems then they eagerly give advice but they never mention that 3 weeks ago it cost them 15k to fix up ____________

you can insert names and brands as you see fit  ;D
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Jughead on February 02, 2010, 10:28:24 am
I ride the best DS bike ever and have NEVER had any problems with it.  Here is a current pic of it as it now stands in my garage.   >:D

(http://i50.tinypic.com/25aosb8.jpg)

 :biggrin:

OK, ok, ok,  I'm busy with the steering head bearings.  Have 35k on the clock so is suppose it was to be expected.  Beside this, I've fried one BMS unit (my own fault after jetting water into it at high pressure), had broken ignition wiring at the steering head, buggered fuel pump housing, replaced fork seals at 20k, and a hole in the radiator caused by a pebble between the frame and fins.

I am also taking this opportunity to strip and re-powder coat all the bracketry around the footpeg area.  Was looking a little rusty and tatty so should get that back around friday.  Also did the Adventurer mod on the sidestand at the same time.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/29eniwo.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/15ocbdi.jpg)

And yes, I know, I'm not the world's greatest welder.





Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Bus on February 02, 2010, 10:32:08 am
Maybe its NOYFB?  ;)
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: TornadoF5 on February 02, 2010, 10:36:19 am
What the hell name and shame them!   :deal:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 10:38:22 am
Maybe its NOYFB?  ;)

maybe - but then if it is then dont make claims about having a trouble free bike or suggesting the bike to others if you dont want to share all the info  ???
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Bus on February 02, 2010, 10:41:54 am
Maybe its NOYFB?  ;)

maybe - but then if it is then dont make claims about having a trouble free bike or suggesting the bike to others if you dont want to share all the info  ???

Agreed  :thumleft:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Martin-DR650 on February 02, 2010, 10:44:35 am
 :happy1:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: N[]vA on February 02, 2010, 10:48:35 am
Maybe its NOYFB?  ;)

maybe - but then if it is then dont make claims about having a trouble free bike or suggesting the bike to others if you dont want to share all the info  ???
+10000000000000000000
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: XXL on February 02, 2010, 11:16:17 am
I really think that the non-disclosure is linked to buyers remorse, but has more to do with ego. A group of unhappy owners full of regret is much better than only yourself feeling like you made a mistake.... ;D
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: hardrider on February 02, 2010, 11:33:29 am
Dam ta ran out of petrol the other day! Dont know if i.ll ever be able to trust her again!  :)
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: kwassi on February 02, 2010, 11:34:03 am
Issues on my bike that I can remember since I had it:

1: Front Shock gone (Replaced under warranty)
2: Oil level glass leaked (Replaced under warranty)
3: Back rim Does not balance completely about 5 grams out
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: fixit on February 02, 2010, 11:56:46 am
R80G/s........too many to mention.  ;D

Only joking. I've replaced almost every wearing part on the bike since I got her. Even that that wasn't broke.

BTW, havent seen any dogs 650 gs's posting the problems some of my friends have had?
Like tailights breaking off and frames breaking??
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: N[]vA on February 02, 2010, 12:04:08 pm
BTW, havent seen any dogs 650 gs's posting the problems some of my friends have had?
Like tailights breaking off and frames breaking??
Doesnt happen to every one, been riding one around for months now and the only issue thus far is the right front fork seal keep seeping
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Trailrider on February 02, 2010, 12:06:44 pm
I found that if you want to know about known issues of a certain model you go to a forum dedicated to that brand / model.

Owners of bikes talk / share more openly about their specific model when talking to other owners of that model, comparing notes etc. (esp. when other brands are not around).

Also, such forums usually does not allow ridicule of that brand / model like might happen on an open forum like this.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Jughead on February 02, 2010, 12:07:58 pm
R80G/s........too many to mention.  ;D

Only joking. I've replaced almost every wearing part on the bike since I got her. Even that that wasn't broke.

BTW, havent seen any dogs 650 gs's posting the problems some of my friends have had?
Like tailights breaking off and frames breaking??

Plastic bits do fall off on very rough trips.  I've lost 3 huggers and have given up replacing them.  I now consider them consumables.

I have seen the mountings of the tail light crack, also due to vibration and have supported mine to prevent it breaking off.  It is rubber mounted so does bounce up and down alot.  

Don't have any problem with the frame though.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: JourneyMan on February 02, 2010, 12:14:17 pm
I'll delete all my posts re my bike problems in Bikes & Workshop the day I try to sell it.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 12:23:18 pm
I'll delete all my posts re my bike problems in Bikes & Workshop the day I try to sell it.  :biggrin:

we have all seen your bike - rather keep it  :P

 :D
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Lem on February 02, 2010, 12:25:33 pm
Kyk kerels

dis dikwels baie moeilik om te onderskei tussen n probleem wat die bike gee, en n probleem wat veroorsaak is deur n nalatige persoon wat aan hom by n diens gewerk het.

My adventure is nou 8 jaar oud, 70 000km oppie klok. Ekt hom gekoop op 58 000, enigste probleem in my hande, die worm gear op die voorwiel wat die spoed meet. Expensive!!!!!!! Maar ek kannie bewys of dit wear en tear is en of dit iemand was wat hom seergemaak het toe hulle bande omgeruil het nie.

Op die oomblik het ek n diff wat lek, hulle se vir my daars twee seeltjies, een tussen proshaft en diff (R300 labour), een tussen gearbox en proshaft(R 1500 labour). watter een dink julle het gekalf? weet julle hoekom? want my ratkas en diff is met met my 60000 diens moer toe te vol gegooi. Toe ek by hulle aankom om die olie te check omdat dit lek, toe suig hulle sommer nog uit. Die skade is klaar gedoen. Hoe het dit overfill gekry? die bike op sy sy gegooi?

Eks nou sommer die moer in. Ekt spesiaal n BMW gekoop omdat dit n shaftdrive het, soms wens ek ekt n KLR gery.

Oja, ek belowe ek sal alle probleme openbaar aan my mede wille honde.  
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Renier on February 02, 2010, 12:31:50 pm
eish my xchallenge has had 3batteries in the 12000km's that its been alive.
current battery is one that bmw had sent out a bulitin for.

the wires on the ignition had come loose(at the soldering) and i was left stranded next to the road.

the Vara on the other hand,
no issues witht he bike, although getting to the sparkplugs and air cleaner involves taking off the fuel tank.. and that is a b1tch of a job to do...

my garage and i were both covered in fuel after this ordeal... have t put it all back together 2night.

my landy is a whole different story ;-)
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Trokkie on February 02, 2010, 12:36:54 pm
Kyk kerels

dis dikwels baie moeilik om te onderskei tussen n probleem wat die bike gee, en n probleem wat veroorsaak is deur n nalatige persoon wat aan hom by n diens gewerk het.

My adventure is nou 8 jaar oud, 70 000km oppie klok. Ekt hom gekoop op 58 000, enigste probleem in my hande, die worm gear op die voorwiel wat die spoed meet. Expensive!!!!!!! Maar ek kannie bewys of dit wear en tear is en of dit iemand was wat hom seergemaak het toe hulle bande omgeruil het nie.

Op die oomblik het ek n diff wat lek, hulle se vir my daars twee seeltjies, een tussen proshaft en diff (R300 labour), een tussen gearbox en proshaft(R 1500 labour). watter een dink julle het gekalf? weet julle hoekom? want my ratkas en diff is met met my 60000 diens moer toe te vol gegooi. Toe ek by hulle aankom om die olie te check omdat dit lek, toe suig hulle sommer nog uit. Die skade is klaar gedoen. Hoe het dit overfill gekry? die bike op sy sy gegooi?

Eks nou sommer die moer in. Ekt spesiaal n BMW gekoop omdat dit n shaftdrive het, soms wens ek ekt n KLR gery.

Oja, ek belowe ek sal alle probleme openbaar aan my mede wille honde.  

Is dit'n 3 wiel adventure dat hy 'n diff het? ???
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Gryshond on February 02, 2010, 12:47:13 pm
I think we are missing the point here, Bob did not start a bitch about you bike thread, he wants to know why you lie or withold information about the problems with your bike.

So why did all of you posting now, not tell everyone about the problems you had with your bike until now.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: ChrisMann on February 02, 2010, 12:48:56 pm
True, uncle Bob.

I think most WD's are open about reliability problems on their bikes.
Maybe they are not throwing their toys because the bike broke down. It could be the experience with the dealer when you took your broken bike to be repaired. "No, sir. The warranty do not cover that. Yes, that is the repair cost. Yes, I am sure."  :imaposer:

Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 12:50:17 pm
I think we are missing the point here, Bob did not start a bitch about you bike thread, he wants to know why you lie or withold information about the problems with your bike.

So why did all of you posting now, not tell everyone about the problems you had with your bike until now.

Gryshond yes - thats why I started the thread.

But I dont think we will ever hear from the culpruts they will just keep on punting their bikes as unbreakable - mean while back at the ranch its getting major heart surgery on a regular basis.

Some of the posts have been very informative so  :thumleft: to the guys for speaking the truth  :deal:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: IDR on February 02, 2010, 12:54:54 pm
Gryshond yes - thats why I started the thread.

But I dont think we will ever hear from the culpruts they will just keep on punting their bikes as unbreakable - mean while back at the ranch its getting major heart surgery on a regular basis.

Some of the posts have been very informative so  :thumleft: to the guys for speaking the truth  :deal:

Dude - who put sand in your vagina?!?!

If an oke doesn't want to share his troubles on the open forum, then so be it!  Who gives a fuck??
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: kwassi on February 02, 2010, 12:58:28 pm
I think we are missing the point here, Bob did not start a bitch about you bike thread, he wants to know why you lie or withold information about the problems with your bike.

So why did all of you posting now, not tell everyone about the problems you had with your bike until now.

Want ek kan.
Ek het nog nie die spesifieke bike hier probeer verkoop nie.
Ek seker dis ook in die bike workshop die probleme.

En hkm nie just for info and getting my post count up   :pot:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 12:59:42 pm
I'm not upset I'm just curious as to what the reasons could be.

Its not one oke.

The forum is full of them.

Guys that punt their specific bike model, brand, etc.

And on the service its always good - but then you hear from different sources that Mr. X bike has given him so much sh*t etc etc etc

You should take it like deal  :thumleft:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: N[]vA on February 02, 2010, 01:08:25 pm
well thats the other prob here, there are always to many ppl talking shit about other ppl  ::)
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Stoetbul on February 02, 2010, 01:14:00 pm
I'm not upset I'm just curious as to what the reasons could be.

Its not one oke.

The forum is full of them.

Guys that punt their specific bike model, brand, etc.

And on the service its always good - but then you hear from different sources that Mr. X bike has given him so much sh*t etc etc etc

You should take it like deal  :thumleft:
Whenever I run into problems with a dealer I let them know about it without putting up a big scene. I tell them what my problem is with them and leave it there. But I also give credit where it's due. And I will tell anybody that asks what faults my bike have and have not. Why keep quiet when I have nothing to hide? And I will give my bike a mouthfull if it ever fails me. It's man made so it will break sooner or later, but then again, any bike can break.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Smithey on February 02, 2010, 01:33:52 pm
They dont talk about their problems with the bike because one day they might want to sell it on the forums.

I posted all my problems on these forums with the last two bikes i owned and low and behold, even after i had fixed everything wrong with them and was almost giving them away... NADA, F0KK0L, ZIP... the bikes had a reputation  >:(

You wont ever see anything wrong with my X-Challenge, thats for sure  ;)
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: KobusL on February 02, 2010, 01:35:27 pm
For future reference  :pot:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=44446.0;topicseen (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=44446.0;topicseen)
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 01:38:28 pm
They dont talk about their problems with the bike because one day they might want to sell it on the forums.

I posted all my problems on these forums with the last two bikes i owned and low and behold, even after i had fixed everything wrong with them and was almost giving them away... NADA, F0KK0L, ZIP... the bikes had a reputation  >:(

You wont ever see anything wrong with my X-Challenge, thats for sure  ;)

Sure but then again you dont go around hit people over the head with the "X-CHALLENGE IS DA BESTEST BIKE IN DA WORLD - THERE IS NO OTHER BIKE MORE RELIABLE MORE POWER MORE BLAH BLAH BLAH" ???

I would not sell the bike on if its a dud - I'll trade it in  ;D
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: SuperDave (RIP) on February 02, 2010, 02:58:36 pm
i have found that bmw owners are more open about the problems - purely cause they believe that a bmw should never ever have any problems and when it gets a problem they throw all their toys out of the cot  :peepwall:

Hehehe!  Spot on BobNob!   ;D
Just started a thread of my own problem...! 
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=44446.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=44446.0) 
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Adventurer on February 02, 2010, 03:02:21 pm
My customers pay me not to say anything public about the problems I repair.... :biggrin:

My KTM hasn't given me any reason to lie to anyone... 8)
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 03:04:34 pm
My customers pay me not to say anything public about the problems I repair.... :biggrin:

 :laughing4:

client - mechanic confidentiality   ;D

Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Operator on February 02, 2010, 03:06:35 pm

My KTM hasn't given me any reason to lie to anyone yet... 8)

Fixed  ;)
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Grrrr.... on February 02, 2010, 03:08:23 pm
I had a seal that needed replacing on the drive shaft.

That is it. Besides replacing things from me putting down the bike (indicator and cylinder protectors) nothing has ever broken on mine, TOUCH WOOD!
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: LeonDude on February 02, 2010, 03:28:27 pm
Ok I'll admit, late last month the nut that connects the steering assembly to the seat fell of my bike again, and broke. It was made of poor quality materials and the repair process is in week five now. Apparently it's going to take another 4 weeks. Kak workmanship I tell you.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Stofdonkie on February 02, 2010, 03:39:00 pm
1. Battery died at 9000kms. Bought BMW gel - now 62 000km and still strong.
2. Pivot bearings on swingarm replaced as precaution on 45 000km.
3. Clutch release bearing started whining on 60 000 kms. Replaced whole slave cylinder R2500 !  :o

Lots of fuel, tyres and maintenance. Still a happy chappy.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: WheeLZ on February 02, 2010, 03:52:13 pm
My bike's given me lots of shit with wiring, batteries, bearings, etc.  All fixed under warranty though and since fine.  I believe most of it to be factory faults though.  Other than that I had a problem with a Bantam once which caused a bit of damage to my bike!  Also fixed now...

Why not tell everyone of every problem I've had?  Well, because no one asked and I really don't think everyone is interested!  Plus I am not planning to sell any of my bikes so I’m not deceiving anybody…
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 03:55:32 pm
1. Battery died at 9000kms. Bought BMW gel - now 62 000km and still strong.
2. Pivot bearings on swingarm replaced as precaution on 45 000km.
3. Clutch release bearing started whining on 60 000 kms. Replaced whole slave cylinder R2500 !  :o

Lots of fuel, tyres and maintenance. Still a happy chappy.   :thumleft:

touch wood i'm still on the original battery on my bike 50 000km later  :ricky:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Adventurer on February 02, 2010, 03:56:54 pm

My KTM hasn't given me any reason to lie to anyone yet... 8)

Fixed  ;)

It's like I haven't had insurance hassles YET.... :biggrin:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: buzzlightyear on February 02, 2010, 04:05:46 pm
BobNob, were you referring to the owners of the lewensgevaarlike bikes keeping so quiet about all the problems
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 04:10:29 pm
BobNob, were you referring to the owners of the lewensgevaarlike bikes keeping so quiet about all the problems

i know the first generation lewensgevaarlik had lots of issues - but thought they were sorted ???
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Mullet on February 02, 2010, 04:33:32 pm
the dealer had to replace the seals on my bike's fork before I bought it- they didn't even notice ... and being a first time buyer I didn't know about the 1000 service... I did however ask the dealer when the first service is and they said roud about 2500km... imagine my disgust when I took it to another dealer for the first service and I was 1000km's overdue.

yes I know I should've read the owner's manual... but I didn't I trusted the dealer!
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: buzzlightyear on February 02, 2010, 04:35:16 pm
BobNob, were you referring to the owners of the lewensgevaarlike bikes keeping so quiet about all the problems

i know the first generation lewensgevaarlik had lots of issues - but thought they were sorted ???

I don't know, all I know is all has gone quiet, maybe they have  :thumleft:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: BlueBull2007 on February 02, 2010, 04:55:35 pm
I dont get this topic. Is this some kind of moral-high-ground-tell-someone-else-he´s-a-tosser thing?  ::) :dummy

 :sleepy1: :sleepy4:

Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 05:01:45 pm
I dont get this topic. Is this some kind of moral-high-ground-tell-someone-else-he´s-a-tosser thing?  ::) :dummy

 :sleepy1: :sleepy4:

no this is dont be d00s and say your bike is da best and then you hide the k@k you have
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: BlueBull2007 on February 02, 2010, 05:13:15 pm
I dont get this topic. Is this some kind of moral-high-ground-tell-someone-else-he´s-a-tosser thing?  ::) :dummy

 :sleepy1: :sleepy4:

no this is dont be d00s and say your bike is da best and then you hide the k@k you have

Why dont you just tell him directly? or PM him? This looks like an ego thing to me. ;D
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Trokkie on February 02, 2010, 05:17:07 pm
I dont get this topic. Is this some kind of moral-high-ground-tell-someone-else-he´s-a-tosser thing?  ::) :dummy

 :sleepy1: :sleepy4:



Bobnob if i don't tell you about the problems on my bike how do you know about them. How do you know they even excists. Have you got supernatural powers.

I just replaced the speedo pickup on the 525, but i ques you already knew that ;D
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: EtienneXplore on February 02, 2010, 06:00:11 pm
I think the seller should just be honest with the buyer.

In any case, you have to be really VERY dof to sell your bike to another wilddog, knowingly hiding faults. Sooner or later the wilddog will pick it up, start a thread on it and then you feel like a d**s.

I am thinking of selling my one bike, I have not advertised it yet, because it needs some work. I have hinted in threads of people wanting a bike in the price range, that I may be selling soon. I have had quite a few PM's and I listed everything that was repaired, replaced, serviced to the persons requesting the information. I also listed everything that I intend to repair/replace before I sell.

I think the seller just needs to be honest and play open cards. This way he will have a happy future owner of his bike. There is no need to be dishonest and hide things that you KNOW is a problem or going to be a problem in the future.

It's all about integrity.

My 2c
 ;D
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: michnus on February 02, 2010, 06:35:58 pm
1. Battery died at 9000kms. Bought BMW gel - now 62 000km and still strong.
2. Pivot bearings on swingarm replaced as precaution on 45 000km.
3. Clutch release bearing started whining on 60 000 kms. Replaced whole slave cylinder R2500 !  :o

Lots of fuel, tyres and maintenance. Still a happy chappy.   :thumleft:

touch wood i'm still on the original battery on my bike 50 000km later  :ricky:

don't hold your breath there sister, my Dakar's battery went dead at 50000km, replaced it last week  :imaposer:

It's a old story the KTM oke's are the culprits we know it since way back when this forum started, ask AdventureMX even he knows of a few cases.  ;) :peepwall: 
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 06:36:53 pm
I just replaced the speedo pickup on the 525, but i ques you already knew that ;D

finally  ::)

i was wondering if you are going to own up to it  :P

 ;D
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: BlueBull2007 on February 02, 2010, 06:39:39 pm
Knopkop, youre right. I think if youre sensible as a buyer you can pick up hidden things easily enough. But if you´re not careful you might be in for a supplies.
;D

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Other/Christian/fail/779354161_xmCSz-L.jpg)

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Other/Christian/surpise/680323132_sebH6-L.gif)
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 06:48:07 pm
don't hold your breath there sister, my Dakar's battery went dead at 50000km, replaced it last week  :imaposer:

no man dont jinx it  >:(

 :ricky:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Maverick on February 02, 2010, 06:50:10 pm
I would never suggest anybody buying a HP2, they are too unreliable, expensive and real poser bike to own :ricky:

Not everybody wants to share the size of their dick, what is the problem  :eek7:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 06:53:23 pm
i think it probably boils down to self confidence and the ability to eat humble pie

if you say - my bike and brand is da best - so good nothing can touch it and then tomorrow it seizes solid you will probably not live it down if you share that with us  :biggrin:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Trailrider on February 02, 2010, 06:58:45 pm
Bobnob as soon as my bike has a problem I'll let you know ;D
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 07:00:54 pm
Bobnob as soon as my bike has a problem I'll let you know ;D

any problems with the previous bike you want to confess to us ???

we are here for you  :thumleft:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: roxenz on February 02, 2010, 07:04:09 pm
Ok I'll admit, late last month the nut that connects the steering assembly to the seat fell of my bike again, and broke. It was made of poor quality materials and the repair process is in week five now. Apparently it's going to take another 4 weeks. Kak workmanship I tell you.

 :biggrin:  :laughing4:  Hope the nut doesn't get too rusted, Leon!

I've never thought of complaining about my bike.  It's a KLR.  It's supposed to self-destruct from vibration overload.  Every day when I get home with it, I am grateful it lasted another day.  Every day it reaffirms my belief in miracles. Everytime it has a flat tyre (for that is all that has gone wrong so far, touch wood) I curse viciously and regret having bought such an unreliable bike.  Even on days when I don't ride it, I give it a sideays glance, expecting to pick up a whole bunch of loose bits n bobs, and an oil leak to rival the Exxon Valdez.  But the bike just keeps on disappointing me in this way. Aah well, I'll just keep on riding it in blind belief that it'll make it through this day then...
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Trailrider on February 02, 2010, 07:09:28 pm
Bobnob as soon as my bike has a problem I'll let you know ;D

any problems with the previous bike you want to confess to us ???

we are here for you  :thumleft:

Aaaah thanks.

Nothing I havent stated before. Stone chipped my one fork once. Insurance fixed it. Stone damaged my radiator - insurance fixed it.

Uhmm. What else? Rear TKC only lasted 6000km and Heidi didn't want to balance. Sorry - all of this has been posted by me before. Nothing else to confess I'm afraid.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Fugly on February 02, 2010, 07:24:51 pm
why do people lie and withhold information about problems on their bikes ???

there has been numerous cases on the forum

one person will tell you everything thats good and bad about their bike - they will tell you if something is broken

but lots of dogs dont share the information wrt problems that they have

in the one thread they will proclaim that their specific bike is the best DS bike ever built and it is the perfect compromise - off-road, on-road, etc etc

but meanwhile back at the ranch their bike is in piece as it is broken down for the umpteenth time in the last couple of months ???

why is this - do they think if they keep the bad information off the forum they might be able to sell it one day to an unsuspecting dog ???

or are they just to proud to admit that their bike has problems ???

this is not a brand thing - this happens across all brands

i have found that bmw owners are more open about the problems - purely cause they believe that a bmw should never ever have any problems and when it gets a problem they throw all their toys out of the cot  :peepwall:

Ok this thread has move fast and I'm not gonna go through everything now, this is an emotional reply.......

My biggest gripe is exactly what you say but then they try to sell the bike to some unsuspecting fellow dog!!!

Pisses me off!
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Welsh on February 02, 2010, 07:47:10 pm
My GSV has maintenance, I ride it and maintain it, no grief and I do photo reports of its minor guttings :biggrin:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Etienne2T on February 02, 2010, 07:55:16 pm
Problems I had on my bike so far that have been fixed

Plenty of rear tyres
Valve clearances
Suspension proffesionally setup
Dipstick leaking - replaced
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Etienne2T on February 02, 2010, 07:56:18 pm
Oh and I snapped a throttle cable last weekend
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: GreenMamba1974 on February 02, 2010, 08:09:03 pm
no 'real' issues so far.  gear changes feel stiff for about 45min, long after the bike has warmed up, but then become as smooth as greased slug snot.

not happy with the heidi on the front.  it grips beautifully on well maintained dirt roads but as soon as things get rougher or there are corrugations the bike gets nervous and the tank slappers start creeping in, have had some heart in the mouth experiences, fortunately managed to save it each time.  the deathwings never did this at all.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Kaboef on February 02, 2010, 08:10:15 pm
My bike threw me off the other day.

Does that count as being unreliable?


Bobnob, why does this issue bother you so much?
It's almost as if you WANT to hear about other people's bikes breaking down, so you can gloat over it in a sadistic way.

Water is wet, bikes break, people lie. That's life.

 :)
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: DRAZIL on February 02, 2010, 08:10:29 pm
slight diff oil leak,sorted in 5 minutes under warrenty.37000km
Touch wood thats all.
I too get seriously ticked off if someoe does not tell the truth on broken/failed components ect. I like to know strengths and weaknesses of different bikes especially around shopping time.
Pity the poor wilddog sod who buys a farked up bike from a wilddog and vice a versa. >:D
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 08:18:55 pm
My bike threw me off the other day.

Does that count as being unreliable?


Bobnob, why does this issue bother you so much?
It's almost as if you WANT to hear about other people's bikes breaking down, so you can gloat over it in a sadistic way.

Water is wet, bikes break, people lie. That's life.

 :)


it does not bother me personally - we are talking about different bike related k@k all day long

this is just one topic  :thumleft:

we could always rather find a topic in the religion and politics board and talk about stuff that really has nothing to do about bikes ???
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Etienne2T on February 02, 2010, 08:20:55 pm
Bobnob, why does this issue bother you so much?
It's almost as if you WANT to hear about other people's bikes breaking down, so you can gloat over it in a sadistic way.

That makes sense
A bike won't normally give hassles, if you just commute and always brag about getting 22 000kms out of a chain and sprocket set.
But things tend to break if they get pushed to the limits - KTM's
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 02, 2010, 08:23:28 pm
I too get seriously ticked off if someoe does not tell the truth on broken/failed components ect. I like to know strengths and weaknesses of different bikes especially around shopping time.
Pity the poor wilddog sod who buys a farked up bike from a wilddog and vice a versa. >:D

+1

by people withholding what goes wrong on their bikes you dont ever get a clear picture as to what bikes have what problems

i am a bike whore  :P

thats why i buy lots of bike mags - read all kinds of bike site - etc etc etc

this members of the forum can be seen as journalist - each with a long term test bike  ;D

and by telling the rest of us truthfully when stuff break etc we can form a mental picture as to what is common problems on certain bikes

then one day when you want to buy such a bike you know that it has 3 or how many ever known issues to look for

but no - lets brag about our bikes and keep the problems on the low down cause maybe i loose 5k over the lifetime of the bike in resale cause you cant con someone that i know into buying it from me ???
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Trokkie on February 03, 2010, 08:35:31 am
This thread makes no sense at all!

Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Usurper on February 03, 2010, 08:55:38 am
Nope, In the last almost 4 years I have been on the forum, I have posted most of my issues. In that time I have destroyed most of my bike, then rebuilt or repaired the damage.
The bottom line... Dont buy my bike  >:D I wouldnt.
But then, its not for sale
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Adventurer on February 03, 2010, 09:05:00 am
Also don't buy a bike from N[]va......he is quite hard on bikes..... :biggrin: :biggrin:
Some wind up in dustbins... :imaposer:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 03, 2010, 09:07:35 am
Also don't buy a bike from N[]va......he is quite hard on bikes..... :biggrin: :biggrin:
Some wind up in dustbins... :imaposer:

when i saw his post on his chinese bike that did 30 000km and then cracked the frame i was shocked!

i'm not shocked any more  ;D

take my hat of to that little chinese bike that lasted 30 000km in his hands  :ricky:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: fixit on February 03, 2010, 09:10:36 am
A fellow dog that recently joined the site had a DR that gave him minimal kark decided to upgrade to 1200GS. (New). The bike gave him so much problems that it spent more time back at the stealer than time he owned it.
He has since got rid of it, not sure to who, but bought a KLR and swore never to touch a BMW again.
Why he hasn’t posted about it, I do not know, but can only assume it is for the reasons you mentioned and that there are okes on this forum that defend the 1200 to death, so he probably doesn’t want to get into a match with them?
And yes after talking to him about it, my perception is now that a 1200 is a kark choice of bike and I also believe there are a lot of okes that STFU about their problems.
Yes, there may be okes that own them that don’t have any hassles, but in general my gut feel is that they do give a lot problems not discussed on this forum.

Flame away Michnus… :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 03, 2010, 09:46:58 am
A fellow dog that recently joined the site had a DR that gave him minimal kark decided to upgrade to 1200GS. (New). The bike gave him so much problems that it spent more time back at the stealer than time he owned it.
He has since got rid of it, not sure to who, but bought a KLR and swore never to touch a BMW again.
Why he hasn’t posted about it, I do not know, but can only assume it is for the reasons you mentioned and that there are okes on this forum that defend the 1200 to death, so he probably doesn’t want to get into a match with them?
And yes after talking to him about it, my perception is now that a 1200 is a kark choice of bike and I also believe there are a lot of okes that STFU about their problems.
Yes, there may be okes that own them that don’t have any hassles, but in general my gut feel is that they do give a lot problems not discussed on this forum.

Flame away Michnus… :pot: :pot:

fixit now that would have been interesting - cause each and every brand has duds - it happens

but you never hear about them (except for n[]va x-country)

personally i dont trust the new 1200's - the old 2004 model 1200 was very good - minimal problems

but the facelift model (pre 2010 model) i dont trust at all
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Operator on February 03, 2010, 10:16:53 am
personally i dont trust the new 1200's - the old 2004 model 1200 was very good - minimal problems

but the facelift model (pre 2010 model) i dont trust at all

In 5 years time people would say they don't trust the newer models, but the facelift models that was pre 2010...............they are just the business. 8)
It is an everlasting cycle of opinions.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: michnus on February 03, 2010, 10:26:38 am
personally i dont trust the new 1200's - the old 2004 model 1200 was very good - minimal problems

but the facelift model (pre 2010 model) i dont trust at all

In 5 years time people would say they don't trust the newer models, but the facelift models that was pre 2010...............they are just the business. 8)
It is an everlasting cycle of opinions.


eish, nes jy se, en so gaan ons rond in sirkels. The 1200 for example has already surpassed 100 000 units, the Citi golf in SA in 30 years only build 500000 units to add some measure, and the problems on 1200's as percentage to how many made is marginal. Bikes, most brands, are getting better in reliability all the time.  ;)
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 03, 2010, 10:26:41 am
personally i dont trust the new 1200's - the old 2004 model 1200 was very good - minimal problems

but the facelift model (pre 2010 model) i dont trust at all

In 5 years time people would say they don't trust the newer models, but the facelift models that was pre 2010...............they are just the business. 8)
It is an everlasting cycle of opinions.

its true  ;D

lets see if the new 2010 range still has rear shocks that explode etc etc
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: N[]vA on February 03, 2010, 10:31:24 am
Im not that hard on bikes =[
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Kykdaar on February 03, 2010, 10:46:33 am
Dear Father Bobnob, it's been a year since my last confession............

I ride a DR which pretty much mean I do not come to confession often. Sorry for that.

Went to a hypnotist to do some sessions of memory regression and can now happily report as follows -

- IMS plastic tank got a crack. Fixed it
- Picked up a few smiley's. Moered them flat again
- Took a dive - scratched hand guard and front mudguard plastics. Heat gun to the rescue.

That's it. Will probably have to confess more often when I sell my DR and buy another bike.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: JourneyMan on February 03, 2010, 11:09:30 am
Shit. Now we have to move this to R & P.  ::) :biggrin:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 03, 2010, 11:10:55 am
how did you fix the crack in the plastic tank ???
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Kykdaar on February 03, 2010, 11:21:33 am
Shit. Now we have to move this to R & P.  ::) :biggrin:

 :imaposer:

how did you fix the crack in the plastic tank ???

Being made of some sort of plastic (I forget the name), everyone said that it was impossible to plastic weld and that it was basically un-repairable.

Problem is that I am a poor sod and can not just replace.

So what to do with something that is "mission impossible"? Took it to Runner and got it back a few days later - fixed. Have not leaked a drop since.

Do not know exactly what he did but considering that I use my bike almost exclusively for dirt riding, the repair is very solid :thumleft:

Right up there with those amazing fixes such as the lego block fairing fix which you once helped me with. Still owe you a beer for that one :thumleft:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Martin-DR650 on February 03, 2010, 12:35:44 pm
Ek het my NXR125 moertoe gery,toe kos dit my om die enjine te boor. :peepwall:
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on February 03, 2010, 07:39:08 pm
I"m with Bobnob on this one. My dear friend has a motorbike with 130 000kms clocked. Just the other day I heard him telling someone
about these "trouble-free" kms, yet his gearbox alone has been overhauled 3 times!! He still has parts of a engine at home because he used the gearbox parts in his bike. You can find even more of this misguided loyalty in the car world.
From this type of owner you will never get the true picture of a brand"s reliability.
Then there is the owner of the 2007 GSX-R 1000 with just over 10 000 kms on, revving the engine@ 12000rpm for minutes at a time at
last year"s Buff.! Will this soul tell the next buyer about this horrendous abuse? I wonder.
Confession; I had to replace my XT500"s rear shocks[2] about 3 years ago.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: ChrisMann on February 04, 2010, 01:05:55 pm
Dear Father Bobnob, it's been a year since my last confession............

I ride a DR which pretty much mean I do not come to confession often. Sorry for that.

Went to a hypnotist to do some sessions of memory regression and can now happily report as follows -

- IMS plastic tank got a crack. Fixed it
- Picked up a few smiley's. Moered them flat again
- Took a dive - scratched hand guard and front mudguard plastics. Heat gun to the rescue.

That's it. Will probably have to confess more often when I sell my DR and buy another bike.
Kykdaar, my son, you have sinned.
Buy a KTM and you will be forgiven.
Go now, and do not ride a DR anymore.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: Ganjora on February 04, 2010, 01:11:10 pm
Kykdaar, my son, you have sinned.
Buy a KTM and you will be forgiven.
Go now, and do not ride a DR anymore.

heretic.
stop talking crazy.
Title: Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
Post by: fat b on February 04, 2010, 02:44:22 pm
I must confess !! I once had a flat front wheel !