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Title: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Plothond on February 21, 2010, 04:43:38 pm
Who's going ?

This is the thorny / dusty one
Will Jade do it again? He seems to be cleaning up at the moment

Will be there with our high pressure washer again - it was quite a treat helping out all the big names at the Ermelo time trial. Made some nice friends  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: RobC on February 22, 2010, 07:17:16 am
Who's going ?

This is the thorny / dusty one
Will Jade do it again? He seems to be cleaning up at the moment

Will be there with our high pressure washer again - it was quite a treat helping out all the big names at the Ermelo time trial. Made some nice friends  :thumleft:
Just mentioning that it is an infringement of the Enviromental Code to wash a bike in an off road event if there is no purpose built wash bay. Watch out for the Enviro. Officers!
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Plothond on February 22, 2010, 06:26:35 pm
Thanks RobC

Interesting ? - Now that you mention it - I do recall reading that somewhere.
Question: Even if no soap/degreaser involved ? - Just washing the mud off ???
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: RobC on February 22, 2010, 11:39:19 pm
Thanks RobC

Interesting ? - Now that you mention it - I do recall reading that somewhere.
Question: Even if no soap/degreaser involved ? - Just washing the mud off ???
I will re read the code but I know at a MX event it is a no no to wash your bike in the pits or any other place except the wash bay's, I would think the same applies at an Off Road.
Edited... did some reading. ::)
Environmental code 14.14 is the paragraph. Basically if permitted by the regulations, only at designated cleaning facilities. Scanning the 2010 Off Road/Enduro regs. there is no provision for washing facilities but this may be mentioned in the particular R&R for an event. Rule of thumb seems to be "no washing" at Off Road/Enduro's. Check the Rules&Regs for the particular event to make sure I would say.
I would not provide wash bays as they are expensive to build to Enviromental Code specification just for an Off Road unless it were a semi permanent venue maybe. We have noted in our Enviro Log that our wash bays at our MX track will be modified at some time to include oil traps and proper filtering to get rid of the mud and sand!
I think MSA is using 2010 as an educational year with regard to the Enviromental Code and that from 2011 the Regs will have more to say on this matter with fines/penalties etc for infringements.  A whole cartload of EO's have been trained... I think there are more EO's than any other class of official! :D
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Splash on March 04, 2010, 04:16:01 pm
Entry forms are on http://www.platinumoffroad.co.za/ . Have till 17 March 2010 before regional entries close.
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: shark_za on March 04, 2010, 04:22:03 pm
Predictions...

Jade
Louwrens
Gavin Louw
Riaan
Bollie V Rooyen



The Kawa's will do better at this one, they are super fast.
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: RobC on March 04, 2010, 04:28:50 pm
Predictions...

Jade
Louwrens
Gavin Louw
Riaan
Bollie V Rooyen



The Kawa's will do better at this one, they are super fast.

That is my hope too!
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Plothond on March 04, 2010, 08:27:56 pm
After watching Gavin at Lichtenburg - My money is on him
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Roof of Africa on March 20, 2010, 06:50:26 pm
1st Lourens Mahoney  Yamaha
2nd Jade Gutzeit          Yamaha
3rd Spencer Kriel          KTM
4th Theo Potgieter       Honda
5th Clayton Enslin        Husaberg  correction KTM 530
6th Bollie van Rooyen   kawasaki
7th Riaan van Niekerk  KTM
8th Christopher Webster Yamaha

Manufacturers Award     Yamaha
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 22, 2010, 12:28:13 am
So what happened to Gavin?
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Roof of Africa on March 22, 2010, 06:46:12 am
So what happened to Gavin?

Listed as a DNF
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Roof of Africa on March 22, 2010, 07:20:45 am
Full official results at http://www.zatiming.co.za/index.php/54162/?orgID=54162&mylaps=type,event,eventid,511598
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Orangeswifty on March 23, 2010, 05:17:18 pm
Hey all - does any-one know what sort of trail the newer adventure section had? - would like to find out what the conditions were
Who's going ?

This is the thorny / dusty one
Will Jade do it again? He seems to be cleaning up at the moment

Will be there with our high pressure washer again - it was quite a treat helping out all the big names at the Ermelo time trial. Made some nice friends  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Orangeswifty on March 23, 2010, 05:19:07 pm

Geez - sorry bout that one
Does any one know what sort of conditions (trail) was laid out for the new adventure section of this enduro race?
 
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Roof of Africa on March 23, 2010, 05:56:50 pm

Geez - sorry bout that one
Does any one know what sort of conditions (trail) was laid out for the new adventure section of this enduro race?
 

Same route as everybody else - just shorter. Only 2 entries and I think both were KTM 690's. Both finished.
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Orangeswifty on March 23, 2010, 06:28:33 pm
Thanks Roof

Geez - sorry bout that one
Does any one know what sort of conditions (trail) was laid out for the new adventure section of this enduro race?
 

Same route as everybody else - just shorter. Only 2 entries and I think both were KTM 690's. Both finished.
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Splash on March 24, 2010, 06:44:29 am
50km outside Vryburg at a farmers association we started the Kalahari 400 National Off road. I entered seniors requiring 75% of the route to be completed. Masters and regional had to do 50%. They laid out two loops of approximately 100 km each – red and yellow loops. The bikes started on the red loop, then switching to the yellow and back again to the red. The quads started on the yellow loop. National riders had to do a time trial the day before for seeding purposes, which consisted of an additional 45 km loop.

My time trial went well, beating Dillon Inggs. Dillon suffered a mechanical problem. Had to nurse his bike to the finish taking my last place. One of the benefits of riding in the national class is that one takes off before the regional riders which on a dusty track makes a difference. I will also claim any discount I can now being a national rider. Not mentioning that I barely finished. Averaged 49 km/h over the 300km. My time trial averages was 52 km/h. Consistent I think.

Had an unwelcome passenger joining me along the way. Somehow he flew in the back of my shirt. Panic set in. Did not know if it was a bee or wasp likely to sting or maybe something less viscous. Stopping to taking of my kit was not an option, I was racing. Relieved as long as it was only exploring. Wandered if it would be gassed if it found its way anywhere near my arms pits.  Did eventually find its way out leaving me to concentrate on riding and not the quickest way of getting my shirt off.

An adventure class for adventure bikes was offered. Not sure how successful that was. Did not see any big bikes racing. Maybe next time more would be interested.

My time trial went well. Started of on the jetting strip with all the big boys making sure my bike was just spot on – not that I was going to do anything about it. Top speed reached was 109 km/h. The 450’s must have been somewhat quicker. The start of the time trial was delayed allowing the last quad to clear the track. They went off in the morning, leaving the afternoon for bikes. My bike felt good and was riding easily in the sand and keeping direction well. Very impressed how well the bike was responding to where I put it. Built confidence allowing me to try different lines. The top riders made a meal of the track and almost flying through it at average speeds of around 85 km/h. Did not seem extremely dangerous and I enjoyed maintaining a good pace. The track had been altered to accommodate the adventure class with some of the more technical sections being left out. Not complaining.

Unfortunately, a friend of mine did not make it back in one piece. Just into his second lap he collided with an anthill while trailing a bike in its dust, coming off at around 150 km/h. He went to hospital and was lucky enough not the have broken anything and apart from being very sore and only a cut on his arm. His protective gear did its job.

Good thing my top speed is limited. Do not like reaching mad speeds. Not going to win the race, just want to have a good days entertainment and get home with a few good tales. Definitely did that this weekend.

By accident I cut off a friend whom I pit with. Not a good strategy to keep friends. When I “stopped” to let him pass the bike behind him jut slipped passed us both. Try to let fast riders have a clean line passed me. The sooner they get going the sooner their dust clears.

Managed 300 km without any major incident or much excitement really. Got into a groove and just enjoyed the sand. Did some sections amazingly fast and was still passed, even by other two strokes. Did twist my throttle a little to discover that it did have more to give. Decided to save the bike, or maybe that would be, to save myself.

One of the really tricky sections was through some tight bushes. Difficult to slow down after maintaining a high speed. Almost did not make the first few corners and eventually did overshoot one or two with general devastation evident from the number of ripped up bushes. Had to eventually calm down slowing to a controllable pace. No harm done.

Thanks to the organisers for a great race. Adrenaline is a marvellous thing if nothing goes wrong. I was flying high, or was that low, for most of the day. 

Pictures
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(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e32/albertpos/Offroad/Kalahari825.jpg)
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Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Chukudeer on March 24, 2010, 07:46:05 am
Nice one Splash, so you doing the Lesotho offroad as well? I am sure that the speeds will be slightly slower..... ::)
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: RobC on March 24, 2010, 07:51:11 am

Geez - sorry bout that one
Does any one know what sort of conditions (trail) was laid out for the new adventure section of this enduro race?
 

Same route as everybody else - just shorter. Only 2 entries and I think both were KTM 690's. Both finished.
Just 2? That in effect put's and end to that experiment, I doubt that the next race's organizers will want to cater for such a small field? This does not even cover the expenses for the prizes?
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Splash on March 24, 2010, 11:38:26 am
Nice one Splash, so you doing the Lesotho offroad as well? I am sure that the speeds will be slightly slower..... ::)
Lesotho is a scary place. Will see. Think I will book a holiday far away at that time just in case!
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Malibu on March 24, 2010, 11:53:37 am
Tried to see you there on Saturday Splash, but missed you... when did you leave... I was with Plottie's crowd!
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: N[]vA on March 24, 2010, 01:47:07 pm
only 2 !?!@
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: RobC on March 24, 2010, 01:52:17 pm
The results only show 2 Club Adventure results... both quads! ???
If this is the case where are all the weekend warriors that wanted this class?
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: shark_za on March 24, 2010, 02:08:54 pm
Both were on 690's too, thats like cheating.
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: N[]vA on March 24, 2010, 02:20:08 pm
hurmf I hope it is still an option when it comes to cape town
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Chukudeer on March 24, 2010, 02:48:12 pm
I would like to see those big bikes in Lesotho..... :o
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 24, 2010, 06:33:02 pm
Nice going Splash, thanks for the report! Were the routes farm tracks or off piste stuff?

Plottie, where is your part of the report??
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Plothond on March 24, 2010, 10:10:47 pm
Sorry chaps, One of my partners is on leave, so now i've got to work for a change  >:D

We had a bad run. After all the good, I suppose I cannot complain too much

Riaan was away so it was:
1. Andri on the 250
2. Karl on the 125
3. Kurt on the 525 Quad

Karl finished 6th in his class
Kurt finished 6th in his class

We did however manage to seize both the 250 and the quad so there is some major work ahead before the next one on the 6th April
32% of the field did not make the full loops (DNF) - It was a tough one on the bikes and quads

Andri started 41st after the time trial. (Remember the TT was all classes and a 250 just cannot compete against the big 450's in this type of terrain - thick sand and FAST)
The AVERAGE speed in the time trial for the top 30 was close on 100km/h. That is VERY high !!!
Between the top 20 in the TT and Andri (41st) only a minute or two separated them

By the time Andri got to the first DSP (approx 50km) he had already gained 8 or 9 places. He gained another 2 by the time he got back to main pits (100km). He had just passed the second DSP (approx 175km) and was flying at about 138km/h when the motor seized up SOLID. The bike threw him 10m into a thorn bush. He was in tears. He was leading the regional 250 class for 2010 until then.

Kurt did exceptionally well considering all the repairs we had to do. His entire class suffered setbacks. He was 2nd in his class for 2010 until the disaster of this race

Lesson learnt - MANY !!!!!
The Kalahari sand is dangerous in many ways. Not only did the bikes (and quads) take major strain - it also clogged up radiators and breathers and many of the DNF's were due to seized and blown motors.
Jetting is ultra important. We have altered our fuel /oil mix and then jetting becomes so important. We will know in the next day or so, but I suspect we ran his bike too lean.

Will get some pics in the morning
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Plothond on March 24, 2010, 10:14:09 pm
Were the routes farm tracks or off piste stuff?

Mielieland Grand Prix stuff

Very high speed sections, thick sand in places and some really thorny bush twisties
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 24, 2010, 10:57:29 pm
Sounds awesome boet. What the heck is he riding a 2S 250 for? You guys should get him a bigger bike ;D

Was it dunes at all? I think the dunes only start after Kuruman ?
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Plothond on March 24, 2010, 11:46:45 pm
Sounds awesome boet. What the heck is he riding a 2S 250 for? You guys should get him a bigger bike ;D

Simple answer, actually 2 ....

1. Cost
2. Cost   :biggrin:

To run a 2T team cost less than 4T. We aiming at class championships and not an overall

We running 3 race bikes and 1 quad
Take a stab at
a. Capex
b. Season costs to date

Then you have your answer !!!
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Roof of Africa on March 25, 2010, 12:26:23 am

Geez - sorry bout that one
Does any one know what sort of conditions (trail) was laid out for the new adventure section of this enduro race?
 

Same route as everybody else - just shorter. Only 2 entries and I think both were KTM 690's. Both finished.
Just 2? That in effect put's and end to that experiment, I doubt that the next race's organizers will want to cater for such a small field? This does not even cover the expenses for the prizes?

A certain team manager told the commission there were at least 60 entries just waiting out there and of course organisers saw $$$$$$$$$. I think a certain importer, the one with currently the only really suitable bike, also saw a marketing opportunity, and a very rare press release was issued. When the rest of the world is trying to cap off road at 450cc, here we are opening it up to 1200's

Mafikeng is next up and I can't see there being a big increase in entries. Somebody will have to convince me with paid commitments for at least 10 before we even think of allowing them to race the Lesotho Off Road in June..........
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 25, 2010, 01:18:21 am
Sounds awesome boet. What the heck is he riding a 2S 250 for? You guys should get him a bigger bike ;D

Simple answer, actually 2 ....

1. Cost
2. Cost   :biggrin:

To run a 2T team cost less than 4T. We aiming at class championships and not an overall

We running 3 race bikes and 1 quad
Take a stab at
a. Capex
b. Season costs to date

Then you have your answer !!!

Hey dont you want to sponsor a rally raid effort as well?   ;) :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: RobC on March 25, 2010, 06:35:51 am
Mafikeng is next up and I can't see there being a big increase in entries. Somebody will have to convince me with paid commitments for at least 10 before we even think of allowing them to race the Lesotho Off Road in June..........
Agreed... same entry rules should apply for then as all other entrants... no rocking up on the day of the race type thing. That puts a lot of strain on the admin team at events. Also there are still a lot of competitors that have no idea of the cost involved in getting an off road event off the ground as well as the manpower involved.
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Splash on March 25, 2010, 08:01:31 am
Tried to see you there on Saturday Splash, but missed you... when did you leave... I was with Plottie's crowd!
Sorry I missed you. Got back and needed to head home in as much day light as possible. Hope you enjoyed the event. Would have stopped by if I had known.
Title: Re: 2nd National Offroad - (Vryburg) Kalahari 400
Post by: Malibu on March 25, 2010, 03:16:45 pm
Was out on the Red Route's re-fuel point... Plottie had us working...  :biggrin: