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Title: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 09, 2010, 06:05:29 pm
What are the options?
TM300?
KTM300
KDX200?

YZ/WR250

That's all hey?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: shark_za on March 09, 2010, 06:19:22 pm
New today.

KTM 125 , 250 and 300
Gas Gas 250 and 300
The Yamaha would be a YZ250 with conversion but seeing as they do this on the premises it can be called new factory. YZ125 is also good.
TM 125, 250 300

If I was you I would get a cheap 2nd hand TM125 and kick some serious ass.  They are awesome bikes that didn't hold their value and can be picked up for a bargain.

Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 09, 2010, 06:23:15 pm
I've been looking at the TM's , I need something with cheap parts though.

How's tm's parts prices>?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: shark_za on March 10, 2010, 08:27:45 am
The KTM and Gas Gas 200's too.

They are probably the best enduro bikes on the planet.


TM's are not so pricey with parts but availability is the problem.
Same as components as KTM for the majority, the motor parts are available.


Thinking about your size and ambitions the KTM200 is the winner outright.
Ask Splash about it.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: edgy on March 10, 2010, 08:29:49 am
Agree on the KTM 200!
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 10, 2010, 11:15:39 am
I would like to stay away from ktm, just because of parts prices.
I can get a road worthy TM300 for a good price. They come standard with ohlins suspension!
Will it be abit of a piggy on a mx track?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Carlos on March 10, 2010, 11:24:32 am
ktm parts are not that bad..re-build whole gear-box..with selector forks and big end bearing on a ktm 200 for under 3k
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 10, 2010, 11:26:15 am
A top end rebuild is common on a 2t, what is replaced in such a build normally
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Carlos on March 10, 2010, 11:26:56 am
also depends on how much you weigh! Also thinking of getting another plastic bike..really like the ktm300...but costly, the new model is fantastic..power..weight etc, buy if you going 2nd hand and are used to a 4-strole wr250 nice too!
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: shark_za on March 10, 2010, 11:31:11 am
A top end rebuild is just a piston, rings and top end bearing.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 10, 2010, 11:37:25 am
Shark, your opinion on this?
One question, will a kdx be up to mx riding, tabletops etc.
I can get this for 30k, road legal and all

2007 model KDX 200 (built in 06 bit only sold and reg in 07)
Full FMF exhaust (and brand new unused standard exhaust)
Complete KX plastics kit (rear fender and front number board) and new unused original KDC plastics
Booysens performace reed valves (and standard unused reed valves)
Oversize jet in carb to correctly fuel the above mods (and standard jet)
Full Hyde protection kit - sump and exhaust guard, front brake disc and fork guard, frame guards and rear brake and swing arm guards
Performance air filter ( and standard filter)
Polisport hand guards (with aluminium reinforcements)
Spare front excel 21" rim
Licensed and registered on Natis

and the best mod of all

Suspension completely rebuilt and sorted just last week by MP Custom Valve (Martin Paetzold) at acost of R4000
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: shark_za on March 10, 2010, 11:50:00 am
As soon as you put MX into the picture, no.
I don't think you can do enough for the bike to handle the really big jumps.

It will make an awesome enduro weapon though. How good are you at MX anyway?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 10, 2010, 12:02:42 pm
Im new at it, but really like catching airtime, and would like to improve in it.
Thats why i like the yz with wr box
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: shark_za on March 10, 2010, 12:41:32 pm
It will always be a trade off.
You will want to revalve the YZ shocks for enduro anyway.

YZ250 with only the changed box will be best for you then.
Even a KTM200 will not be ideal.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 10, 2010, 12:43:39 pm
How much is a proper mx bike supposed to weight?
The tm is 98kgs, hows that sound?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: the_BOBNOB on March 10, 2010, 12:47:39 pm
etienne you are doing it again

exactly what you did with the drz 400

you are compromising

if you want to enduro like the thread title say get a full on enduro bike if you want to mx get the full mx bike

if you go half/half you are going to have a bike that sucks at both
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 10, 2010, 12:54:10 pm
Shark, the guy from TM tells me that for a top end rebuild, you are not tied to the agents, u can get a piston etc from wiseco etc.
Is zees true?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: shark_za on March 10, 2010, 12:56:35 pm
Yes, depends if Wiseco stocks that size.
The parts are not special apart for things like engine casings and radiators.

Service parts can be gotten anywhere.

But OEM performance parts can cost.

Example of Kawasaki vs Wiseco Topend rebuild = R1300 vs R2400
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 10, 2010, 01:15:31 pm
So kawa parts is cheaper than wiseco's?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: shark_za on March 10, 2010, 01:22:07 pm
For sure.
Wiseco are usually "performance" parts.

You can get pistons for the TM, get the specs and actually try today.
Phone some suppliers are see what they cost.

Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 10, 2010, 01:26:22 pm
Im forumin from cellphone.
So can you plz paste a number or 2 here?
Does a company like wiseco sell the rings and bearing also?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Snafu on March 10, 2010, 01:35:39 pm
Etienne, I know you hate listening to BOB, but please listen to him this time.

You want to push the limits and thats good, you are young and thats what you are supposed to do :)
You wont be reaching the limits on a MX track with an enduro bike, or the other way round.

Decide what it is you want to do and get the best bike for your need.
You are probably going to tell me that you want to do enduro's but you also want to do some airtime over the table tops :)

Question though, and i will need the experienced ppl to jump in. I assume you will be riding to Zone7, thats why the road legal bike. Would a 4 stroke not be better for theses distances you want to travel?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: the_BOBNOB on March 10, 2010, 01:38:36 pm
Im forumin from cellphone.
So can you plz paste a number or 2 here?
Does a company like wiseco sell the rings and bearing also?

wiseco agents
leda performance
+27 21 557 6774
http://www.leda.co.za/ (http://www.leda.co.za/)
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 10, 2010, 01:38:39 pm
You summed it up snafu, yes i dont like listening to bob :D ,and id like to ride to z7, its like 20km from my home. When we go riding with 2stroke dan and them we do like 110kms, he on a kdx and andre on a cr, so the 2stroke is up to it.
Especially the 300, which doesnt run so high
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 10, 2010, 01:39:48 pm
Dankie bob
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: shark_za on March 10, 2010, 06:09:01 pm
First buy a bike with papers.

All bikes need to be registered these days.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 10, 2010, 06:13:44 pm
Im abit scared for the italian bikes.
Do u think i can get a yz on the road?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on March 10, 2010, 06:43:12 pm
Ettienne, the advice you are getting on this thread is excellent. Remember that all the guys with 2t playbikes still have a D/S at home. On a YZ you will have fantastic times, but no "exploring" further away since the oil mixing and consumption makes it expensive. What will you use to go on WD runs with?
I"d say try hang onto the DRZ and look for a cheap KDX. [ for once forget the bling, get a workhorse!]
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 10, 2010, 06:47:45 pm
Danie, ek sal met die xt ry as ek die dag lus het om so ride te join.
Wat dink jy van TM?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Snafu on March 10, 2010, 09:25:43 pm
ET, ek dink jy het goeie planne gehad toe jy jou pa omgepraat het met die XT :)

Andre met die cr? dog hy het 'n xr?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Plothond on March 10, 2010, 09:27:45 pm
We have just rebuilt /  redone the top-end on one of the race bikes
- labour aside - all the parts, including smallend bearing and gaskets came to just over 2k - And that's for genuine KTM parts
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Carlos on March 11, 2010, 08:03:01 am
ja..dunno where the perception on expensive ktm parts come from..maybe cause the bike are pricey..although new ktm 200 is 67k...:)
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on March 11, 2010, 04:30:20 pm
KTM used to be very expensive partswise, but has gotten more in line with the Japs now.
Ettienne, kry vir jou n bike met n Mamma en n Pappa in die land.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 11, 2010, 04:42:36 pm
Watse bike sal dit wees dan, n YZ?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Half - Bac on March 11, 2010, 05:30:21 pm
ktm parts are not that bad..re-build whole gear-box..with selector forks and big end bearing on a ktm 200 for under 3k

Nope!!!! I rebuilt my KTM 200 gearbox a couple of years ago. After I had negotiated a 45% discount it still cost me R9K for parts alone!!!! That included all gears, dogs and selectors - no seals and bearings (bought those a/market)
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Half - Bac on March 11, 2010, 05:36:14 pm
Get a YZ 250 (with or without the enduro conversion). You will not be sorry. Saw a thread on WD today avertising one for sale.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Carlos on March 12, 2010, 07:18:34 am
ktm parts are not that bad..re-build whole gear-box..with selector forks and big end bearing on a ktm 200 for under 3k

Nope!!!! I rebuilt my KTM 200 gearbox a couple of years ago. After I had negotiated a 45% discount it still cost me R9K for parts alone!!!! That included all gears, dogs and selectors - no seals and bearings (bought those a/market)

jeez...one of my selector forks broke off and made mince-meat of my gears...very sad day...even worse when you crack the engine and the first think you see are rotten teeth :(
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Jayman on March 12, 2010, 03:03:18 pm
What are the options?
TM300?
KTM300
KDX200?

YZ/WR250

That's all hey?


I am racing a Yz250F enduro specs, my next bike will be a Yz250 with all die enduro stuff on.

Go Blue
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 14, 2010, 07:24:02 pm
Ok, so I have decided on a YZ250, that's what I want, and that's what I'll go for

Next question.
Wil the standard YZ, without wr box and flywheel, be able to do enduros? Or is that out of ze question totally?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Half - Bac on March 15, 2010, 09:52:10 am
Not out of the question but your life will be made a lot easier if you do the conversion.

The standard MX box has longer first and second gears, and shorter fifth and sixth gears than the WR box. This means that your low speed technical riding will have to be assisted with a lot of clutch when using the MX box, and top speed on the faster sections will be less.

The WR box combined with a weighted flywheel is a very worthy conversion imho.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: shark_za on March 15, 2010, 09:58:34 am
If you ride VERY fast you might be ok.

But seeing as its your first few events you will stall a lot and be more tired at the end.

At least a flywheel weight, change the sprockets to sort out the bottom, don't worry too much about the top end if you are not entering national offroads.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 15, 2010, 10:10:23 am
Can u add weights, or do u replace the flywheel?
What effect does it have?
Cost of flywheel?
Cost of wr box?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 19, 2010, 03:26:54 pm
R4 500 for a wr box, but me research tells me its not really needed.
So the plan now is to sell the drz, get a yz of equal value. Then lots and lots of training.
And then to start racing enduros. Id like to do a enduro cross too
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on March 19, 2010, 03:31:36 pm
Ettienne, you are on your way, good luck and enjoy!!
Years from now you can return to D/S with a wealth of offroad experience behind you.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on March 22, 2010, 05:31:18 pm
Ettienne, you are on your way, good luck and enjoy!!
Years from now you can return to D/S with a wealth of offroad experience behind you.

Montagu...23 April...eek
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on April 08, 2010, 06:26:37 pm
I was lead to believe a 2t is cheaper to run than a 4t? Then I came cross this now:

The following applies to enduro riding

I am going through the buying process looking at 2t's and 4t's. I was shocked when I started calculating how expensive a 2t is to run.

 
- it is about twice as heavy on juice than my 4t
- you have to add R 25 per tank extra for good two stroke oil
- you have to redo top end every 150 hrs
- the tyre goes twice as fast (compared to 250 4t)
 
There is a huge misconception about 4t's being expensive - this is completely wrong. If you maintain both machines you will end up with double the running cost on a 2t. In the 5 years I have spend less than R 3000 on all my engine parts (racing since 2005).
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on April 08, 2010, 06:31:23 pm
Ettienne, you could overhaul 4 YZ250's for what you have just spend on your 4T.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on April 08, 2010, 06:41:24 pm
Ettienne, you could overhaul 4 YZ250's for what you have just spend on your 4T.

Cool!

Het die yz 'n seperate ding vir die 2t olie, of gooi jy dit in die tenk?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on April 08, 2010, 07:26:43 pm
In die tenk, 40 tot 1. [ 1lt olie by 40lt petrol ]
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on April 08, 2010, 09:15:47 pm
watse olie is beste? Prys?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Riebeek on April 09, 2010, 02:47:49 pm
Ettienne, moet asseblief nie Montagu doen vir jou eerste enduro nie, maak nie saak op watter bike nie.  Kies een hier in die Boland soos Wellington, Malmesbury, Darling of selfs Bredasdorp, maar net nie Montagu nie.  Daai klippe sal jou nie gou weer op 'n bike laat klim nie.

Tweedens onthou dat dit 'n paar Rand kos om 'n bike reg te hou vir 'n enduro.  Die onderhoud is strate meer as om naweke te speel, kyk 'n man verloor mos kop as al daai ander donners deur 'n moerse moddergat jaag en dit boonop hul agterwiel.  As jy by die huis kom en sien daai modder het die splinternuwe diskpads verwoes en jy kan nie daai handelbars terugbuig waar jy in die boom vasgef.k het nie - dan is jy spyt en heelwat armer.

Onthou 'n enduro fiets is heeltemal anders as 'n mx fiets.  Kyk selfs die vinnige enduro ouens soos Grim, Altus ensovoorts lyk bra stadig met hul enduro bikes tussen die mx ouens by Zone 7, maar sit hulle op 'n mx fiets dan bly hulle saam met die ander.

My keuse vir 'n enduro fiets is 'n KTM200 en as die geld skraps is 'n KDX200.  SÍ my eers wie sal 'n goeie enduro rider op 'n KTM200 met 'n KTM300 wen en dan verander ek dalk my opinie.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on April 09, 2010, 09:50:40 pm
kyk 'n man verloor mos kop as al daai ander donners deur 'n moerse moddergat jaag en dit boonop hul agterwiel.  As jy by die huis kom en sien daai modder het die splinternuwe diskpads verwoes en jy kan nie daai handelbars terugbuig waar jy in die boom vasgef.k het nie - dan is jy spyt en heelwat armer.

Klink of jy experience hiermee het? :D

My mind is opgemaak, ek het 'n Enduro YZ gevind, het iemand wat die naweek na die drz kom kyk, hopelik koop die persoon hom. Dan kan ek begin hiermee
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: tau on April 11, 2010, 09:10:33 am
Ok, so I have decided on a YZ250, that's what I want, and that's what I'll go for

Next question.
Wil the standard YZ, without wr box and flywheel, be able to do enduros? Or is that out of ze question totally?

Brett lewis won 3 Wp enduro titles and the 2006 sa enduro 200cc title

he raced standard kx250 box.
I also used standard Kx 250 box with 15 47 gearing for faster races.

The wr box is nice (my 450 is shimwells conversion with wr box) because you don't overef the motor so much and you don't have to run high gearing
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: tau on April 11, 2010, 09:16:07 am
Ettienne, you could overhaul 4 YZ250's for what you have just spend on your 4T.

Ditto

250 4 smokes are heavy on valves if you ride them hard.
450 i do about 30 hrs on a top end and 100 on main or big end.

the 2 smoke oil  I would recommend is either Motul or Yamalube. they run cleaner and Yamaha likes them.
Even the gearbox oil. they make my clutches last up to 40 hrs.

150 hrs on a topend for a yz 250 is possible, but you will destroy the barrel and will have to replace or get it renicasiled.


I still think a good Yz 250 2 smoke is your best bet.
OH and DON"T do Montague as your first race you will never race again
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on May 01, 2010, 07:36:53 pm
So I was riding Gideon Joubert's YZ250 enduro today, the bike won the wellington offroad or something like that

OH MY GOODNESS!
46hp / 96kg , what an awesome machine.
You can ride it in 4th gear out of the powerband, downgear then it jumps into the powerband and just starts sliding.
Awesome suspension, awesome brakes and awesome power (no really, it's fast I can see myself getting into serious trouble with this) ;D
Im so sold on this bike!!! I want one!
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 05, 2010, 06:30:18 am
It may interest you that there is a thread (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=550314) in ADVrider on racing with a DRZ400.  :eek7: Not quite the right bike but its a good read.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: atkinse on May 05, 2010, 07:53:25 am
watse olie is beste? Prys?

Yamalube of Motul

Albei baie goed
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: GRIM on May 05, 2010, 09:17:20 am
Ipone full synthetic strawberry flavor...
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Huggels on May 05, 2010, 09:25:57 am
So I was riding Gideon Joubert's YZ250 enduro today, the bike won the wellington offroad or something like that

OH MY GOODNESS!
46hp / 96kg , what an awesome machine.
You can ride it in 4th gear out of the powerband, downgear then it jumps into the powerband and just starts sliding.
Awesome suspension, awesome brakes and awesome power (no really, it's fast I can see myself getting into serious trouble with this) ;D
Im so sold on this bike!!! I want one!

Does it have a WR gearbox? Those are very nice saw one in JHB on the gumtree the other day with WR gearbox... Think it was about R27k not sure though
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Padawan on May 05, 2010, 10:44:44 am
Ettienne,

Since I am new to the forum and planning to get into d/s biking, let my try and return the favor by giving you my 2c coming from enduro riding.

First, you are going to luv it! It's tough, but nothing beats the satisfaction and joy you get from conquering a really tough obstacle or finishing a really tough race. The community is awesome and you will make lots of new friends. 

My advice would be to get an enduro bike if you are planning to get into enduro racing - KTM, Gas Gas, WR, Honda X, Husky, TM...

The MX bikes cost a lot to convert and are never noob friendly enduro bikes...The converted yamaha is good if it has a weighted flywheel, wr box, kickstand, trip meter, bigger fuel tank, different suspension settings - all of this that a purpose build enduro bike covers out of the box.

The pro's can ride any bike to victory and have the sponsors to modify their bikes to do what they want it to do...so don't look at what they ride.

You can go and look at the e-dirt.co.za forum (great site) and even there people recommend you go for the right tool straight away. But is seems like you can get an already "enduro friendly" YZ.

In theory I also wanted the perfect bike that can do MX and enduro, but soon found for the mx riding I actually do the enduro bike is fine. So unless you plan seriously getting into MX and doing huge jumps - there is no need to get a mx bike. The mx bike will be a handful in technical enduro terrain, but most modern enduro bike can handle a mild bout of mx riding. Unless you get something like a KTM EXC or converted YZ - but again you will compromise in terms of it being a very "racy" enduro machine which doesn't really suit most noob riders. 

A great starter bike is the KDX 200. I started with it and if it was not for the "I want a new bike fever" I would still have been very happy with it. You pick them up cheap and once you know what your style is, what terrain you like to ride and have taken lots of other bikes for a spin - you get your weapon of choice.

2-strokes are awesome for enduro since they are light, fun and you learn more fundamental skills on them.

Also I reckon the smaller the better - depending on your weight. For most a 200 and 250 is fine. The 300s are nice, but I personally believe it is overkill and for "bigger" people/people that like to ride lazy. Why ride a bike at 60% of its ability because you are scared of the top 40%? Most people lug the 300s and never use the top end except on long straights (which your are not going to find in most enduros/hare scrambles).   

Rather learn to master a smaller bike and know you can handle it most of the time. But again that is just my opinion. I have ridden bigger bikes and prefer the KTM 200 because it is super light, you can point in anywhere, you can ride longer and it is super fun (you have to ride it aggressively).

See this article if cc's matter to you:
http://www.ktmworld.com/view_news_article.asp?id=16

Also, start with a smaller club race like an Enduro World Cross Country or a local hare scramble. Confidence and just finishing without too much drama counts for a lot...You can always move up.

I think for most noobs the first race is pretty intimidating. Lots of dust, lots of bikes next to you in a confined space all racing to get to that corner first or squeeze through that obstacle, large bottlenecks/bikes lying everywhere that require aggressively riding in between riders (if you don't also wanna get stuck), obstacles that you might encounter for the first time, the adrenaline rush of racing and the spectators (usually standing right next to those tricky obstacles).

Most importantly remember most of us do it to have fun!
   

Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on May 07, 2010, 05:02:54 pm
Wow, thanks for that nice long writeup
I was tossing up between the yz125 and yz250, the 125 is 10 odd kg's lighter. But the thing is, Im not going to win races, I just want to ride the bike thats going to be the most fun, I want something that's going to scare me everytime I ride it.
I also LOVE motocross, and a yz, even with the enduro mods, can still do a pretty good whip on a mx track
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: edgy on May 08, 2010, 05:59:51 am
Listen to Padawan - he speaks the truth!
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: mrhyde on May 10, 2010, 07:32:39 pm
Wow, thanks for that nice long writeup
I was tossing up between the yz125 and yz250, the 125 is 10 odd kg's lighter. But the thing is, Im not going to win races, I just want to ride the bike thats going to be the most fun, I want something that's going to scare me everytime I ride it.
I also LOVE motocross, and a yz, even with the enduro mods, can still do a pretty good whip on a mx track

Scare you?

buy a CR500.

You wont win a thing, but you will make gutters in the road with your sliding.

Seriously. You are tiny. You dont need more than a 125. Go ride a well tuned 125. You will be surprised to see how well they go.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on May 10, 2010, 07:51:23 pm
Thats the thing, why do I NEED to take a 125...when I can get a 250?
Also, I spoke to some yz125 owners, and they say you have to have it in the powa band to get the juice going on it.

So I'll take the 250 tx
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: mrhyde on May 10, 2010, 07:56:08 pm
Thats the thing, why do I NEED to take a 125...when I can get a 250?
Also, I spoke to some yz125 owners, and they say you have to have it in the powa band to get the juice going on it.

So I'll take the 250 tx

Get a 200.

KTM
KDX or sim. is the best tool for the shed. Forget about the 300, too much torque for technical terrain(you might aswell keep the 400 then)

Learn to ride it properly instead of going with the guns blazing atitude.

Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on May 10, 2010, 07:57:37 pm
Nope, yz250 for the win.

Simple question...get the cost of a YZ radiator, and compare it to that of a KTM radiator....enough said.

I want something I can ride round the sx track aswell
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: mrhyde on May 10, 2010, 07:58:47 pm
Ettienne, you could overhaul 4 YZ250's for what you have just spend on your 4T.

Ditto

250 4 smokes are heavy on valves if you ride them hard.
450 i do about 30 hrs on a top end and 100 on main or big end.

the 2 smoke oil  I would recommend is either Motul or Yamalube. they run cleaner and Yamaha likes them.
Even the gearbox oil. they make my clutches last up to 40 hrs.

150 hrs on a topend for a yz 250 is possible, but you will destroy the barrel and will have to replace or get it renicasiled.


I still think a good Yz 250 2 smoke is your best bet.
OH and DON"T do Montague as your first race you will never race again

100 ure op n 450 bottom end?  lewe jy in die limmiter?
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: mrhyde on May 10, 2010, 08:08:55 pm
Nope, yz250 for the win.

Simple question...get the cost of a YZ radiator, and compare it to that of a KTM radiator....enough said.

I want something I can ride round the sx track aswell

where is there a supercross (indoor) track?

KTM has good racing backup. I suppose Helderberg has got too. I dont know hey, KTM 200/250 has far better components. (brembo/WP) Im certain for 30k you can find a befokde 250 Katie.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on May 10, 2010, 08:12:05 pm
There is a outdoor SX track at zone 7, aswell as a MX track, Enduro track, and EX track.
Helderberg Yamaha, and Yamaha in general is fantastic.
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: mrhyde on May 10, 2010, 08:15:45 pm
Gat cruiper :)
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on May 10, 2010, 08:17:04 pm
Gat cruiper :)

Moenie laat ek die moderator knoppie hier gebruik nie :deal:
;D :D :D
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: mrhyde on May 10, 2010, 08:17:53 pm
Gat cruiper :)

Moenie laat ek die moderator knoppie hier gebruik nie :deal:
;D :D :D

oh hai :)
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on May 10, 2010, 08:19:37 pm
Gat cruiper :)

Moenie laat ek die moderator knoppie hier gebruik nie :deal:
;D :D :D

oh hai :)

Jy sal val pappie.... :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2 Stroke Enduro bikes
Post by: mrhyde on May 10, 2010, 08:24:07 pm
Gat cruiper :)

Moenie laat ek die moderator knoppie hier gebruik nie :deal:
;D :D :D

oh hai :)

Jy sal val pappie.... :biggrin:

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