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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => Suzuki DR & DRZ => Topic started by: wiledog_X on May 17, 2010, 01:26:20 pm

Title: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: wiledog_X on May 17, 2010, 01:26:20 pm
i recently bought Sidetrack's DR650 - what an awesome machine! ;D  - and had Blazes fit a bashplate that he'd made. Blazes, thanks for the friendly service & chat!

here's a couple of pics... before & after.
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: blazes on May 17, 2010, 04:06:22 pm
Pleasure C--Glad you like it-------------
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: sidetrack on May 17, 2010, 06:13:26 pm
Looks great ! The bike is now sorted  :ricky:
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: lecap on May 18, 2010, 10:37:16 am
I beg to differ:
Two eina areas left unprotected at least. The flat rear section of the plate will also do little about protecting the frame cradle from ground contact.
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: jenks on May 18, 2010, 01:10:38 pm
Me likey :) But Lecap has a point. Maybe come out with a MkII that has little wings extending down the flanks each side from the ears to the rear of the plate??
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: the_priest on May 18, 2010, 02:18:23 pm
I can understand the need to protect the suspension arm thingy (I'm not a mechanic :P), but why would you need protection on the sides of the foot pegs?
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: blazes on May 18, 2010, 02:48:16 pm
A Bashplate is made to protect the engine WTF do you want to start protecting the suspension and footpegs etc  ???

Seen to many guys get grass stuck under the footpegs and even see it catch on fire once--

I built these on instructions and design form some DR riders  ;) This is what they wanted --and this is what i gave them--At HALF the price.

Want something to your own spec--give me the design and i will build anything you want--even if i do NOT like the design--You have money to blow--i will gladly take it ::)
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: Hagar on May 18, 2010, 05:59:15 pm
I like your plate.  Should work just fine.
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: blazes on May 18, 2010, 08:16:35 pm
I like your plate.  Should work just fine.

Thank's ;)
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: sidetrack on May 18, 2010, 09:47:28 pm
Fark if you start bending frame rails you will

1) need more than 3-4mm of alu protection
2) get off a DR and buy a RMZ

 :o
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: Lourens ツ on May 18, 2010, 10:03:53 pm
Hey blazes, you better keep one for me!   :thumleft:
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: lecap on May 18, 2010, 10:15:23 pm
A Bashplate is made to protect the engine WTF do you want to start protecting the suspension and footpegs etc  ???
'cause that's what gets damaged on the DR650 on a regular basis. At least on my seven DR's. Footpeg bracket bolts smashed flat to the point where a socket won't fit or bent are not the exception but the rule.
And do yourself a favour and check for the prices of the nedle bearings in the suspension lever. They will get ruined once the seal has been hit by a stone and bent. Not to talk about a full hit on the front of the lever when going over a curb (like the one at Kriges ;D ) or a rock.

I built these on instructions and design form some DR riders  ;) This is what they wanted --and this is what i gave them--At HALF the price.

I assume "at half the price" is aimed at my bashplates?
Well. you don't have to get your panties into a knot just because I don't like your plates. I have stated clearly why I don't like yours and you are more than welcome to criticise my design.
I am well prepared to explain every little detail of it  :thumleft:
I build bash plates to combine a reasonably high level of protection with low weight and value for money. This is what I wanted. A few others liked the design and others again found out about its advantages. No one so far complained about paying too much.

Want something to your own spec--give me the design and i will build anything you want--even if i do NOT like the design--You have money to blow--i will gladly take it ::)
You see that's where I'm different. If I think it's crap I tell you and I will not waste my time on it.


Fark if you start bending frame rails you will

1) need more than 3-4mm of alu protection
2) get off a DR and buy a RMZ

 :o


The frame "rails" of the DR650SE are actually tubes and it does not take much to damage them. I have seen it happen more than once on my various DR's. The sump can actually take much more abuse than the frame cradle. This is due to the fact that the frame tubes are more exposed and vulnerable thanks to their design, shape and wall thickness whilst the cast aluminium of the sump can absorb and dissipate quite an impact without suffering structural damage.

3mm aluminium sheet is well enough to protect the DR's frame cradle from the worst:
You just have to take the right aluminium - not the one they use to make tin foil from :evil6:
and you have to know how to shape it and how to attach it to the bike to make sure it can dissipate an impact  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: lecap on May 18, 2010, 11:04:38 pm
I can understand the need to protect the suspension arm thingy (I'm not a mechanic :P), but why would you need protection on the sides of the foot pegs?

Sorry, did not reply to this above:
The bolts that attach the footpeg brackets to the frame are vulnerable and their heads get often smashed or the whole bolt bends or shears off. Once you've filed a few of them back into shape to be able to fit a socket over them or removed them with a vice grip ::) you'll look for ways to protect them.
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: jenks on May 19, 2010, 06:52:05 am
blazes/lecap

maybe we should restrict this type of healthy banter to the vendors' section.
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: the_priest on May 19, 2010, 07:13:10 am
blazes/lecap

maybe we should restrict this type of healthy banter to the vendors' section.

Or the DR650 thread. :P
It's actually quite interesting to hear why they built the plates differently. :)
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: blazes on May 19, 2010, 07:34:36 am
Actually i am not going to get into this--i know nothing--only have sheetmetal and pattern making as my first trade
 trade --so as i said i know nothing-not prepared to knock someone elses design to try and show myself up---Been in bussiness over 30 years for myself and have learnt you give the customer what he asks for -if you do not agree with him you give him your views and let him know what your experience has taught you. The bottom line is --Its His decision and his money------  ;)
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: DOCTOR KLR on May 19, 2010, 07:40:29 am
Looks GOOD Blazers,i like
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: lecap on May 19, 2010, 09:21:48 am
blazes/lecap

maybe we should restrict this type of healthy banter to the vendors' section.

I don't think so. We advertise products in the Vendors section. The vendors section is moderated by the vendors. If you say something bad about my product - fark you! ZAP! I delete it :evil6: :biggrin:

The bikes & workshop is moderated by the (hopefully) impartial deity MrBig and he will call us to order if we're bad boys. IMHO discussion of bikes & technical accessories belongs exactly here.
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: jenks on May 19, 2010, 11:43:16 am
Fair enough. Touch, Pause ...Engage!  :diablo_ani_fire:

Nothing like competition to bring prices down and quality up  :deal:  Both plates are lekker - but I feel Blazes wins this one with a very good price and pretty good protection. A mark II at R1000 with a little more protection for said levers and other dainty bits would be the business, IMHO  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: the_wes on May 19, 2010, 11:49:57 am
 :happy1:
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: Martin-DR650 on May 19, 2010, 10:02:19 pm
Lecap,I dont want to argue with you...But come on man,A skidplate is there to protect your engine from all the sh#t  that gets hit up by the front wheel.

I will get your skidplate only when I go ride/or do enduro's on heavy "Moerse Rotse" like those you get on baboons pass,Or big rocks similar to the pics below.... ;)

Blazes...Your design on the sides(the "ears") looks bedonerd. :thumleft:
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: Ganjora on May 20, 2010, 06:16:18 am
after a trip to lesotho the seemingly expensive lecap bashplate earned it's keep

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DSCN1192.jpg)

the footpeg bolt cover even got a workout...

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DSCN1194.jpg)

Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: jenks on May 20, 2010, 06:37:48 am
That plate saved your cases, levers and pegs, for sure. Damn Ganjora you make good use of your dr!
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: Martin-DR650 on May 20, 2010, 07:05:46 pm
Joh! :o Ganjoria: How low is your DR? :eek7:
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: Hagar on May 20, 2010, 07:22:17 pm
Joh! :o Ganjoria: How low is your DR? :eek7:

I guess about 50mm lower than yours. Le Cap will give you exact amount!
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: jenks on May 21, 2010, 06:53:52 am
Hahaha - Hagar you're a funny guy. No one can dispute Lecap's technical expertise and workmanship, though.
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: Hagar on May 21, 2010, 07:03:42 am
Not trying to be funny.  Just pointing out that the Le cap bashplate makes Ganjoria's bike lower.
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: jenks on May 21, 2010, 07:19:16 am
Well I thought that comment was hilarious  :imaposer:

My old plate that I fabricated (one point six mil mild steel) was close to the cradle tubes, but with some foam running down the tubes as sound/shock absorbers.

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/bigears1.jpg)

I never rode the places ganjora does to see if it was effective, though. My new plate that I'm making for the blue dr will have rails running from the ears to the rear, to protect the pegs and levers. It'll be 2 mil mild steel with plenty of holes to lighten her up!
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: lecap on May 21, 2010, 07:59:47 am
Joh! :o Ganjoria: How low is your DR? :eek7:

I guess about 50mm lower than yours. Le Cap will give you exact amount!
The Bash plate takes less than 2cm of ground clearance. If you're worried about that get decent fork springs (like Ganjora) and a 70kg rear and you'll ride taller than OEM :thumleft: :mwink:
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: Hagar on May 21, 2010, 02:32:43 pm
Joh! :o Ganjoria: How low is your DR? :eek7:

I guess about 50mm lower than yours. Le Cap will give you exact amount!
The Bash plate takes less than 2cm of ground clearance. If you're worried about that get decent fork springs (like Ganjora) and a 70kg rear and you'll ride taller than OEM :thumleft: :mwink:

2cm is acceptable.  The more I think about your design the more I like it.
My homemade plate (4.5mm aliminium sitting almost against the belly with foam in between in places,) is working fine though.  Had to panel beat it back in shape but no damage to frame yet.  Had a big hit when I hit a rock in long grass that almost punched through and some others.
 I did not know that I want to protect my swingarm thingie and footpeg bolts though (like it seems most of the world out there)so I basically copied what the rest of the world seems to like.

 I am considering upgrading the shock and forks.  The thing that gets me is not so much the nose-diving and general softness, but rather the way it can’t deal with “square” hits.  This is I am told is part of having damper rod forks instead of cartridge forks.  I am thinking about swapping forks/front end.  I do not want upside downs, was thinking about something like DRZ/ 96-98 RM/or WP extreme shocks.  Do not know if it is worthwhile though, perhaps better to ride it as it is, you know the idiom about some things not worth polishing and so on. This bike is so cheap to maintain though, that I can perhaps swop the front end for what other Dogs spend on 3 months’s insurance on their bikes.  (mine only insured 3d party, keeps me carefull)

This is a bashing thread so keep it up, lets bash each others bash plates: Le Cap I do not like the way you attach your plate at the front (looks vulnerabler to me) and the looks of it.
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: Griffin on May 21, 2010, 05:24:03 pm
Le Cap I do not like the way you attach your plate at the front (looks vulnerabler to me) and the looks of it.

It uses welded bracket and an extended engine mounting bolt that is well protected by the bash plate. You can see it throught the access hole in Gaja's first photo.  Rear mounting is two rbberised a shock mounts.  The nuts are visiable in the second photo.  The welding is a work of art. 
You may guess that I am a very satisfied customer  ;)
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: Hagar on May 21, 2010, 06:09:35 pm
Le Cap I do not like the way you attach your plate at the front (looks vulnerabler to me) and the looks of it.

It uses welded bracket and an extended engine mounting bolt that is well protected by the bash plate.

I saw it on the photo.  How does this bracket attach to the main plate?  Is it a L shaped bracket, welded on the flat section or more like an l ?  If it is a L it is better imo.  Where are the welds?  worried a little about it breaking due to fatigue at the welds.   By the way the welded on ramps before the bolts at the back is a nice touch.  Pity that the nuts are on the bottom, rather than the bolts side.  Will become difficult to remove once it is riveted by a rock.
I am not too serious about the plate not looking good.  See that as part of the bashing.  Will still increase noise like hell though. >:D
Title: Re: DR650 - now with bashplate!
Post by: wiledog_X on May 22, 2010, 03:02:56 pm
wow this thread sure got the guys talking!  :3some:  i chose Blazes' bashplate because of my budget constraints and location - he's practically a stone's throw away from me! both Blazes & LeCap's have their pro's & con's i'm sure, and people's preference - it was just easier for me to get one from Blazes, and so far i have no complaints! like sidetrack said, i'm not going to ride an enduro!

update photo...