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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: the_wes on February 13, 2007, 01:26:31 pm

Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on February 13, 2007, 01:26:31 pm
in my quest to decide between the F650GS and Dakar, i realised that the Honda Transalp ain't too bad either. i came to this conclusion by looking at the stats, and realising that the Transalp seems to fall somewhere between the other 2 in some respects.

so, the BMW F650GS vs the BMW F650GS Dakar vs the Honda Transalp, in which order would you rank them (1-3), and why? (all brand new)

(bearing in mind we're talking 70/30 on on-road/off-road, and some long distance 2-up touring)
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Lootch67 on February 13, 2007, 02:32:25 pm
Given your 70/30 split I'd say Transalp, Dakar, GS.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: GeoffR on February 13, 2007, 02:39:52 pm
Just watch the Trans Alp's fuel consumption. Have had one on 2 of my tours and petrol was a problem on both (range). I would suggest even worse 2 up. Not sure if it has a small tank??
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: JourneyMan on February 13, 2007, 02:46:56 pm
I would say for your purposes regarding 30% dirt, all 3 would be more or less equal in enjoyment factor and performance with the Dakar maybe giving you more options. (More technical stuff)

Not ridden a TA before but the twin should make it a better ride for touring and two up. Not that the other two can not do it, but a smoother ride I would think.

Oh. Where the Beemers kick ass, is fuel consumption. Not one bike in the 650 class which comes near it. (Based on reports here :wink: )
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: michnus on February 13, 2007, 02:47:52 pm
Stats and specs is the easiest way to buy the wrong bike, same as the 640ADv looks mean and makes your mouth water, it's just as hardcore and most people can't cope with that bike.

You need to consider replacement parts on the Honda and the Dakar, as well as services cost and intervals, but best is go test ride them, it's the easiest way you will know what to buy :lol:
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Steady on February 13, 2007, 03:39:43 pm
the_wes, you do not say how tall you are or how much you weigh.

Can't speak for the Transalp, cos I have never ridden one but I do ride a Dakar and would have to say that if two-up touring is on the menu and you are reasonably heavy/tall stay away from the BMW's, they are a bit too small. The Dakar has a slightly bigger screen than the GS but it offers very little wind protection for long distance touring. Great around town and an hour or so on the open road but that's about it, IMO. If my missus gets on the back with a few things for a week-end away it's like dragging weed.

I would stick my neck out and say that your estimate of 70/30 split between on/off road, will, in reality end up at an 85/15 ratio, and add a pillion to that and you may just regret buying the single. I weigh 91 kg's and am 1,95m tall, The Dakar is great off road and around town but I like it less and less on the open road and no longer ride two up.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on February 13, 2007, 03:45:53 pm
i am +- 1.82m, and weigh in at a whopping 115kg (it nasty to laugh hey)
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Steady on February 13, 2007, 04:13:04 pm
Quote
i am +- 1.82m, and weigh in at a whopping 115kg (it nasty to laugh hey)


Perhaps the TA would be the best bet for you wes.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: bud500 on February 13, 2007, 04:20:42 pm
I have done about 1500km on a TA and about 100km on a GS and about 100km on a Dakar.

The TA and Dakar are better offroad due to bigger front wheel.
Dare I say, build quality on the TA is the best.
But the TA is a lot heavier.
Yes, the BM's are way better on fuel consumption.

On performance, side by side, top end and acceleration there is not much to choose between any of them.

IMO, from what I understand you want, the TA is the better choice, more solid feel, more comfy ride and like me you're a big lad so can handle the weight. Then there is the price......
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Zonkelmonk on February 13, 2007, 04:41:16 pm
Again?

Please read the ride reports!

You can do over 1000km per day for days (12) without being tired. Believe me, you can. It is very good on the road. Off-Road, well, read the ride reports. It is perfect off-road. Go everywhere without breaking.

I love the GS range and would buy one any day because they are good. But for long distance travel (I am 1.83 length) and some SERIOUS off-road, unbreakable (I have tried), then I have to say the TA is no.1.

And for parts, Honda does have lots available and Honda must be in every town, same as BMW.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: michnus on February 13, 2007, 05:03:50 pm
Peopoljack did the 4x4 route over the Baviaans on the normal GS and he is not small, so this big hoohaa over the best suspension and what else is chucked out the window.

 Zonkel did Namiba a few times on the Honda also without the heavy suspension :wink:  of the Dakar or a KTM. Again shit argument. Price wise the TA is the best option of the three.

The TA is the best long distance tourer of the three. But get crash protection for the TA
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Post by: Zonkelmonk on February 13, 2007, 05:12:47 pm
ye michnus. you the man!!! The_wes, listen, ignore the rest and stick with what works (even michnus the main man agrees) TA!!!!!!!!
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Stofstreep on February 13, 2007, 05:43:07 pm
I'm Baised here, but I believe that in the 650 class there is nothing beter than the TA :D
Even on the the comsuption side, you might just get 17km/L, but they are good Km's :lol:

Seriously don't think there are much between them, but will take the TA again if I have to choose.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: shark_za on February 13, 2007, 05:44:37 pm
For the riding I do, it would be Dakar, TA, 650GS.

The TA is surprisingly capable offroad, not as much clearance as the Dakar hence the choice.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on February 13, 2007, 05:47:47 pm
as usual on this forum, i get hit with a ton of experience and wisdom, and things i would never have thought of. you guys rock!

i still have a while before i buy, so i'm going to carry on thinking about it. at the moment the ABS option on the BMWs is a big plus for me, as i lane-split daily...
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Adventurer on February 13, 2007, 06:11:27 pm
All 3 are good bikes and you will not go wrong whichever one you buy, just go with your heart. :)
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on February 13, 2007, 06:16:07 pm
it's funny that you say that, because i was just thinking, there are so many good reasons to get the TA, but i can't get excited about it like i do about the F650GS/Dakar. at the end of the day, whatever I buy, I am going to need to ride every single day...

seriously, you guys are magic when it comes to info, i have learnt so much here over the last few weeks
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Leo on February 13, 2007, 06:45:50 pm
//Hijack on

Quote from: "Steady"
I weigh 91 kg's and am 1,95m tall,
 

.....with those body specs Steady you're definately on the wrong bike.

Get a bike with min 850mm seat height and at least 950 cc throbbing under you!  :wink:

Hijack off//

The_Wes - go with your heart  8)
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on February 13, 2007, 06:52:56 pm
i'm having flashbacks to star wars episode 1 here

"what does your heart tell you?"

 :lol:
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Steady on February 13, 2007, 07:47:58 pm
Quote from: "Leo"
//Hijack on

Quote from: "Steady"
I weigh 91 kg's and am 1,95m tall,
 

.....with those body specs Steady you're definately on the wrong bike.

Get a bike with min 850mm seat height and at least 950 cc throbbing under you!  :wink:

Hijack off//

The_Wes - go with your heart  8)


Leo, you are right of course which is why I also ride a 1200 ADV.

And +1 on going with your heart.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: chrisB on February 13, 2007, 07:57:48 pm
Quote from: "the_wes"
i'm having flashbacks to star wars episode 1 here

"what does your heart tell you?"

 :lol:


Use the force man!

Jedi mind trick (OBI ONE voice) "You like the GS, you want a GS, you gona get a GS, the GS excites you, you only service every 10000km's on the GS.....get the GS"  :confused2:  :confused2:  :confused2:
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Red on February 13, 2007, 08:32:42 pm
Quote from: "the_wes"


 .............  , as i lane-split daily...


A big guy lanesplitting with a scooter?  Wow!  Good thing you have a jacket and helmet.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Butch on February 13, 2007, 10:22:17 pm
If I have to rate them, I'd say TA, TA then TA.

Easiest bike to ride, imho. Comfy on long distances, well capable on dirt and that V-twin is as smooth as silk. Best gearbox this side of the north and south poles, again mho.

But, take them all for a spin. I promise I won't go "Told you so" when you, one day, regret not getting the TA in the first place.  :wink:
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: spyker on February 13, 2007, 10:38:09 pm
*cough* XT *cough* :D
I'm biased..
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Kev on February 13, 2007, 10:55:58 pm
Quote from: "the_wes"
i'm having flashbacks to star wars episode 1 here

"what does your heart tell you?"

 :lol:

 
Confusing this choise is. Clear in your heart you must be. Trust your instingts you must Wes...  8)
 
Chooseing a bike is not always about practicality. Sometimes you have to choose what stirs your soul. It IS emotional... and because it is about what gets you going inside, you are prepared to compramise on those aspects which are not perfect in your choice. And by choosing the Dakar, you will NOT be making a mistake. It is a very capable bike. But it is not perfect. It cannot do everything. As long as you keep that in mind, I think it will be perfect for you.
 
My €0.01 = 10c.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Butch on February 13, 2007, 11:30:57 pm
Quote from: "Kev"
Chooseing a bike is not always about practicality. Sometimes you have to choose what stirs your soul. It IS emotional... and because it is about what gets you going inside, you are prepared to compramise on those aspects which are not perfect in your choice. And by choosing the Dakar, you will NOT be making a mistake. It is a very capable bike. But it is not perfect. It cannot do everything. As long as you keep that in mind, I think it will be perfect for you.


This reminds me of that song by Meatloaf - "You took the words right out of my mouth. It must have been while you were..." -  :shock:  *cough* *choke* NO, NOT THAT SONG!!!
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Kev on February 14, 2007, 03:11:15 am
Quote from: "Butch"
This reminds me of that song by Meatloaf - "You took the words right out of my mouth. It must have been while you were..." -  :shock:  *cough* *choke* NO, NOT THAT SONG!!!

 
Steady on old chap!  :lol:
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Plothond on February 14, 2007, 06:07:44 am
Ok, been reading with much interest as the wife is also looking for a scooter.
The obvious choice was the 650GS - until she sat on a TA on the weekend.

Confusion sets in !!!
She likes the bike, feels good. She cannot ride yet so a test drive is not an option yet.

She is 1.8m tall and weighs in at about 72kg. So yes, the GS should be perfect. But based on the comments above - "V twin" - smooth ride. Will be riding long distances. 21" front wheel. Exactly same tube sizes as my boney so tubes can shared if need be.... etc...

Comments ???
Slight hijack this, but I did not want to start a new thread on the same subject
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on February 14, 2007, 06:30:03 am
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "the_wes"


 .............  , as i lane-split daily...


A big guy lanesplitting with a scooter?  Wow!  Good thing you have a jacket and helmet.


bru, you have no idea. that cape town wind, o boy. why do you think i'm ugrading? been doing this for just over a year now, it's time for something bigger...

for those who are interested, when I first decided I needed a bigger bike I first looked at the Triumph Bonneyville, then the Triumph Thruxton, then the Kawasaki ER6-N, then the Kawasaki Versys, then the Transalp, and then I got onto the BMW F650GS (since I've always wanted one for as far back as I can remember)...

The Versys is an awesome bike, but buggerall dirt capabilities...
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: chrisB on February 14, 2007, 07:25:16 am
errr... Jedi mind trick (OBI ONE voice) "You like the GS, you want a GS, you gona get a GS, the GS excites you, you only service every 10000km's on the GS.....get the GS" :confused2: :confused2: :confused2:

Persistent I am :lol:
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on February 14, 2007, 07:37:18 am
:? i like the gs, i want the gs, i gonna get the gs, the gs excites me, i only service every 10000kms on the gs.... :?

whoa what happened???

 :lol:
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Red on February 14, 2007, 08:08:23 am
So?

Buy it then.  There is always a plan to be made.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on February 14, 2007, 08:19:41 am
i will, as soon as i sell my damn vespa. it's so frustrating, i have the jacket, getting new goggles this week, getting a tank bag this week, have the deposit ready, finance is sorted, all budgeted and planned for, i just need to sell this darn scoot. (i've been on this plak since december)

*sigh*
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: spyker on February 14, 2007, 08:22:58 am
So buy the damn thing already!!! What are you waiting for??  :shock:  :D
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Steady on February 14, 2007, 08:30:02 am
So if you have decided on the GS get the Dakar, it just looks sooo good. And better for off road as well.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: chrisB on February 14, 2007, 08:32:14 am
JUST DO IT!!!! :D
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Post by: the_wes on February 14, 2007, 09:01:21 am
Quote from: "Steady"
So if you have decided on the GS get the Dakar, it just looks sooo good. And better for off road as well.


yes. budget depending though. chrisB has convinced me that it won't be the end of the world if i get the std GS (cos let's admit it, the black is damn sexy)
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Red on February 14, 2007, 09:09:37 am
Quote from: "chrisB"
JUST DO IT!!!! :D


Listen to the man!!!!  :D  :D
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Post by: the_wes on February 14, 2007, 06:00:53 pm
here's a question though - dakar and ta have a 21" front wheel (better for offroad of course) - while the std GS has a 19" front wheel - since i am spending most of my time on road, is the 19" front wheel not better for the tarmac than the 21"?
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Post by: michnus on February 14, 2007, 06:03:08 pm
NO
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Post by: Trailrider on February 14, 2007, 08:40:33 pm
Well said  :D
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Post by: chrisB on February 14, 2007, 09:01:28 pm
Why :?:
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Post by: michnus on February 14, 2007, 09:17:21 pm
Sommer/because
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Post by: Kev on February 15, 2007, 01:39:51 am
:lol: You guys!  :lol:  :lol:
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: chrisB on February 15, 2007, 03:00:01 am
Quote from: "michnus"
Sommer/because


Good enough for me! :D
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Post by: shark_za on February 15, 2007, 08:18:21 am
Technically the smaller wheel turns into corners easier on tar.
Hence the supermotards running 17 inchers.

But you will feel more difference having the 21 up front if you are a new rider. The bike is more stable and tracks better.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on February 15, 2007, 09:46:44 am
Quote from: "shark_za"
Technically the smaller wheel turns into corners easier on tar.


that's what i thought. also it's wider (slightly)
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Post by: michnus on February 15, 2007, 09:51:23 am
You can use the 21 on road and it's the thing to have on dirt, the 19 is only really good for road and nice gravl. That said as you gain experience like some guy's here, they will ride a 19" front on nearly any surface
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Post by: Grootseun on February 15, 2007, 09:59:47 am
The 21' makes mounting sidewalks/pavemunt easier.. essential for JHB traffic conditions
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Post by: the_wes on February 15, 2007, 10:03:31 am
i also had a look at the aprilia pegaso trail yesterday, and realised in specs it's more like the 650GS than the Dakar. i'm not sure what that has to do with anything ;) just an observation

back to the topic: i currently mount pavements with a 10", hahaha

i see your point though, hmmm, what about a dakar with a 19" front wheel (i have actually seen a pic of a dakar with 17"s - supermoto style)
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Post by: Grootseun on February 15, 2007, 10:15:03 am
Quote from: "the_wes"
what about a dakar with a 19" front


Thast's kinda deafeating the object of a more off-road orientaded bike...

I saw that SM dakar as well...nifty.. but not great..

I'd rather get a yammie 660 motard, but my fav still is the suzook DRz400 sm.. perect for traffic hooliganism.. :D

If i have the right 6 numbers.. i will get me one of the nex x-range motard jobiies from bee-em..
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Post by: the_wes on February 15, 2007, 10:29:03 am
Quote from: "Grootseun"
Thast's kinda deafeating the object of a more off-road orientaded bike...


what appeals to me about the Dak, more than anything else is the suspension and height :)

would look awesome though

i seriously considered the XT660 - in fact i am in love with it. thing is, it's not going to be lekker 2-up, or for a weekend away...
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Post by: JourneyMan on February 15, 2007, 10:34:18 am
I don't like the look.

The smaller bikes in motard looks OK. The dakkie. Huh-uh. :sad3:

(http://usera.imagecave.com/JourneyMan/Funny/650r3tp1.jpg)
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Post by: the_wes on February 15, 2007, 10:50:45 am
it would look better with a 19"... the regular GS might look good with a 17"...

also, they should really offer the dakar in other colours... a black dakar would look awesome...
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Post by: JourneyMan on February 15, 2007, 11:39:55 am
Quote from: "the_wes"
it would look better with a 19"... the regular GS might look good with a 17"...

also, they should really offer the dakar in other colours... a black dakar would look awesome...


Custom jobbies.

(http://www.jbc.co.za/Dakar1a.jpg)

(http://usera.imagecave.com/JourneyMan/BirthdayRun/IMG_0253.jpg)
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Post by: Grootseun on February 15, 2007, 11:54:33 am
i like them black rims.. :wink:  :lol:  8)
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Post by: LuckyStriker on February 15, 2007, 12:06:08 pm
Quote from: "JourneyMan"
Custom jobbies.

(http://www.jbc.co.za/Dakar1a.jpg)

Varkin beautiful!!

who's bike is that again?
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Post by: the_wes on February 15, 2007, 12:10:30 pm
Quote from: "Grootseun"
i like them black rims..


...and that matte panit job. those look like std GS's that have been jacked up (new suspension) - look lik 19" rims up front  :D

i did this in photoshop a while back:

(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6326/blackdakij0.jpg)
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Post by: JourneyMan on February 15, 2007, 12:11:59 pm
Camojo. Think he sold it.
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Post by: Grootseun on February 15, 2007, 12:13:18 pm
Those are both Camojo's jobbies..

The got std rims and suspension.. just because the black & Yeller one has them TKC's fitted the wheel looks bigger.
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Post by: Stephan on February 15, 2007, 12:46:39 pm
Quote from: "Grootseun"
i like them black rims.. :wink:  :lol:  8)


Will look even better on the black and red trim bike.   :D
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Post by: Lootch67 on February 15, 2007, 09:33:51 pm
Quote from: "Grootseun"
just because the black & Yeller one has them TKC's fitted the wheel looks bigger.


I think the TKCs are slightly bigger in circumference. I noticed when I fitted them to my KLR that the revs dropped noticeably - about 150rpm in 5th gear, compared to the standard jobbies. The originals were shod which does accentuate the difference, but I've never noticed such a big difference after fitting new tyres.
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Post by: KiLRoy on February 15, 2007, 11:51:34 pm
Quote
ut the TA is a lot heavier


How much??

With your size and if you're planning to ride two-up a lot - consider the AT - no 650 is good for long distance pillion riding (i'm not talking about midgets, but of people of 'normal' build and weight).

If its going to be one of these 3 - TA, Dakar - not even considering the GS

Reasons - TA cheaper to buy and to own.  Will last longer. More modern bike - the BM 650 is getting a bit long in the tooth.  Better on-road and just as good offroad.

My 2c

H

Ps wait for the new KLR - rumour has it they will sell for less than R50k - thats an odd R25k less than the Dakar - can buy 3 new KLRs for the price of 2 Dakars  (and they don't even compete in the Dakar  :wink: :D )
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Post by: the_wes on March 02, 2007, 10:09:17 am
strangely enough i met a guy last night who said to me, if i'm going to do any two up distance riding DON'T get the dakar cos my wife will hate me  :oops:
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Post by: the_wes on March 05, 2007, 08:08:58 am
this is me checking out the transalp this saturday, must admit it's a looker in black...

(http://www.sixofnine.com/img/wes/transalp.jpg)
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Post by: Stofstreep on March 05, 2007, 08:50:34 am
wow :shock:
That is purdy :!:
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Post by: the_wes on March 06, 2007, 09:30:54 am
nog n pic:

(http://www.sixofnine.com/img/wes/DSC01960.jpg)
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Post by: Hermanator on March 06, 2007, 10:37:07 am
Here's something to confuse this interesting conversation even further.

I too sat looking at KLR's, then progressed on to 650GS (I also have an 1150RT, so like BMW) and briefly considered the TA.

Last week I bought a 650 VStrom!

Rides great off tar and even took it over the Melkbos 4x4 circuit on the weekend on TRailwinds. Absolutely impressed. Then, we put it on the road. 160 to 180 without hesitation and cruising at 160. Handles ike a demon and agile as a rock rabbit. Wind and weather protection is superb and the twin headlights (always on) are as good as a car at night. Twin discs up front make for oodles of stopping power and finally, when it comes to comfort, this isan all day machine.

2nd hand, they're rare as hen's teeth as they've been proven to be faultlessly reliable, durable and tough.

Sorry, hope I haven't hijacked the thread or created too much confusion.

Whatever your choice, they're all great bikes with a tradeoff between them - possibly a hybrid is called for!  :wink:

Cheers

Lawrence
(http://195.12.48.80/~x9ocfco/albums/userpics/10048/Wee2.JPG)

(http://195.12.48.80/~x9ocfco/albums/userpics/10048/Wee5.JPG)
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Post by: Kev on March 06, 2007, 10:38:59 am
The Transalp looks really good in black. The only problem with black is that it shows up scratches and dings very easily.
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Post by: the_wes on March 06, 2007, 10:55:01 am
noooooo hermanator what have you done!! i considered the Vstrom too, for a brief shining moment, but didn't want to add more confusion,, aaaaargh no i have to decide between 4 bikes

PS: is that silver, or white?
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Post by: the_wes on March 06, 2007, 01:05:49 pm
ok, so let's say hypothetically that i was considering the wee-strom - where in cape town can i check one out (somewhere in the city since i work there)?
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Post by: macduff on March 06, 2007, 01:07:47 pm
i only know of suzuki south...
but its a quick run there along de waal drive
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Lito on March 06, 2007, 01:15:56 pm
i can vouch for the vee stroms ability to run very sweetly on the road, that thing is awesome and I think will leave the dakar eating its sweet dust.

(i rode a dakar - and if you wanna see a few fun pics of a dakar being ridden a bit, check out ride reports: an ode to my dakar).
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Hermanator on March 06, 2007, 01:20:24 pm
Quote from: "the_wes"
ok, so let's say hypothetically that i was considering the wee-strom - where in cape town can i check one out (somewhere in the city since i work there)?


I'm also in the city which means my Strom is there as well. I'm at the top end of St Georges Walk near Parliament. PM me if you want to have a look over the bike.

Cheers

Lawrence
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Stofstreep on March 06, 2007, 01:20:54 pm
hey Herm

nice emergency stop you pulled man 8)
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Hermanator on March 06, 2007, 01:24:31 pm
Quote from: "Stofstreep"
hey Herm

nice emergency stop you pulled man 8)


 :wink: Thanks, can't stop doing that now!  :oops:

Lawrence
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on March 06, 2007, 01:26:43 pm
typical WD forum, start talking about the GS/Transalp, and we end up on the Wee-Strom...  :lol:

Herm - I'd love to man, a bit immobile at the mo, as soon as the v#sp# is fixed i'll make a turn ;)
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on March 09, 2007, 08:14:16 am
hoping to test drive both the transalp and the dakar tomorrow, fingers crossed. perhaps the strom as well (phoned suzuki south and they have a demo)
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: IDR on March 09, 2007, 08:19:57 am
Quote from: "the_wes"
hoping to test drive both the transalp and the dakar tomorrow, fingers crossed. perhaps the strom as well (phoned suzuki south and they have a demo)


Not without a licence you won't...  :roll:

They MIGHT let you ride with just a learners...
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on March 09, 2007, 08:22:17 am
i was under the impression you only needed a learners? at least that's the impression the honda dude gave me.

otherwise i wait, license is round the corner  :wink:
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Hermanator on March 09, 2007, 08:48:32 am
I have a friend, riding a R1200C BMW, on a learners license. Perfectly legal. Just no pillions.

Lawrence
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: IDR on March 09, 2007, 08:50:01 am
Quote from: "Hermanator"
I have a friend, riding a R1200C BMW, on a learners license. Perfectly legal. Just no pillions.

Lawrence


But would you, as a dealer, let someone ride your demo with just a learners?
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on March 09, 2007, 09:02:38 am
here are the things i know you can do with a learners (if you wrote it when you were 18 or older, which means it applies to any size bike):

> ride anywhere, without pillion
> insure your bike
> get financing for your bike

i don't see why test driving should be different

in fact, when at the ***** dealer, he asked if i had a license, i said i had a learners, and he even suggested i take my wife along on the test ride since i mentioned pillion comfort as one of my concerns

also, the *** dealer is aware of the fact that i have a learners, and we have just confirmed tomorrows test ride.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: IDR on March 09, 2007, 09:05:37 am
Quote from: "the_wes"
here are the things i know you can do with a learners (if you wrote it when you were 18 or older, which means it applies to any size bike):

> ride anywhere, without pillion
> insure your bike
> get financing for your bike

i don't see why test driving should be different

in fact, when at the ***** dealer, he asked if i had a license, i said i had a learners, and he even suggested i take my wife along on the test ride since i mentioned pillion comfort as one of my concerns

also, the *** dealer is aware of the fact that i have a learners, and we have just confirmed tomorrows test ride.


Oh...I went for a test drive at a dealer once, and they wouldn't let me take a bike without proving that I had a FULL licence (I had left my wallet, containing my licence card, at the office).

Well, so much the better for you then  :D

MAN, I gotta go do some test rides again as well  :twisted:
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: shark_za on March 09, 2007, 09:07:46 am
IDR, they can spot a guy who has trashed 3x bonies a mile away !
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Stofstreep on March 09, 2007, 09:08:26 am
Test driven my Honda without anything :D

A month or so back I wanted to test ride the BMW 1200 GSA, confirmed with the guy on the phone that I only have a Learners, and he said fine.
Got there the Saterday and he said no :x
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on March 09, 2007, 09:12:41 am
what is general test-drive etiquette? how far/long can you take the bike for? i guess it differs from dealer to dealer.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: IDR on March 09, 2007, 09:13:18 am
Quote from: "shark_za"
IDR, they can spot a guy who has trashed 3x bonies a mile away !


Hey, I've only ever had TWO bikes written off!
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Hermanator on March 09, 2007, 10:31:54 am
Dealers carry insurance for test rides. If teir insurance covers a learner rider, then there's no reason they'll refuse. Of course, being able to prove basic riding skills would be a benefit!

As for test rides/drives, I ride till I'm convinced. If the dealer suggests I take it around the block, I'll walk away. When I bought the VStrom, I knew I would need the bike in city traffic, open roads, twisties and of course off-road. Well, you can't exactly go off-roading on a test ride so, my test ride was about 20 minutes in the city and between cars then, out of CT on the N2 and then riding the M62 towards Hout Bay. In total, I was gone for about 50 minutes - and I stuck in 10 liters of fuel.

Good luck and I hope you enjoy the test rides,

Cheers

Lawrence
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: growweblaar on March 09, 2007, 10:36:36 am
It's only when you don't bring it back AT ALL when they get a bit irritated...
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on March 09, 2007, 04:24:11 pm
ok well both the bmw and honda dealers have confirmed me for tomorrow (with my learners license).
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: Kev on March 10, 2007, 07:32:03 pm
Yesterdays "tomorrow", has now become today.  :?  Where is the "impression report"?  8)
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on March 12, 2007, 09:17:04 am
sorry, no news i'm afraid - i had to call and cancel - but will reschedule for soon i promise.
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: the_wes on March 14, 2007, 02:53:00 pm
stuff it, i'll just get this instead...

(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7356/79510ex1.jpg)
Title: 650Gs, Dakar and Transalp - rank them...
Post by: IceCreamMan on June 01, 2007, 01:33:59 pm
Quote from: "the_wes"
i am +- 1.82m, and weigh in at a whopping 115kg (it nasty to laugh hey)


do u call welsh , dad? :lol: