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Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Jaqhama on February 22, 2007, 03:16:05 pm
I mentioned this to Captain Slow and I think he got a good laugh from it, so I'll share it with the rest of you.

The Lonely Planet series of travel guides recommends the following medical innoculations for Sub Saharan Africa...
Hepatitus A and B. Diptheria booster. Anti-tetnus booster. Typhoid. Polio booster.
Anti-rabies shot. Malaria innoculations. Cholera.Yellow Fever. Dengue Fever.

If I was the paranoid hypocondriac sort I'd be freaking out by now. :shock:

It says for Rabies:  vaccination should be considered by those spending a month or more in Africa.
Especially if they are cycling (why would cycling make a difference???) travelling to remote areas, (Define remote? are the Bavians remote) handling animals (must remember not to pat the lions) or caving.


Phew! For a minute there I thought you South African folk could be in trouble.
One can only assume you must all be superhuman to have managed to avoid all of the above...and I've left out the ones about infectious worms and river parasites and assorted bugs, ticks, leeches and stuff.

It tells you all the ways to buy bottled water and says to boil water...it doesn't tell you if you can drink water out of the tap in South Africa...or indeed how long to boil water.
(Captain Slow assured me we can drink the tap water.)

Some medical organisations reckon 3 minutes of boiling water makes it safe enough to drink.
The former British SAS survival instructor Lofty Wiseman says that's bullshit...he recommends 10 to 15 minutes of boiling.

Interesting...are you guys sure there's nothing you want to tell me? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: shark_za on February 22, 2007, 03:19:34 pm
Cyclists are prone to getting bitten by dogs, and getting roosted by the land shark .
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: D7 on February 22, 2007, 03:24:39 pm
south african tap water is some of the cleanest in the world

when boiling/sterilising,  give it a minute or 2 of vigorous boiling.

I suggest tequila if you're going anywhere with malaria.   After tequila my own mother won't touch me - forget about the mozzies....
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Grootseun on February 22, 2007, 03:43:48 pm
What.. we cant drink the water....!!!!! no -one told me.... :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

:puke: :puke:


That;s why i prefer to drink beer.. :D  :D
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Lito on February 22, 2007, 04:17:40 pm
Quote from: "D7"
After tequila my own mother won't touch me - forget about the mozzies....


hmmm not sure how to read that....like keeping it in the family then eh?


 :wink:  :D
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Watty on February 22, 2007, 04:28:15 pm
Rather buy  :occasion5:  than  :violent3: your water.  It is much simpler and easier.
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: spyker on February 22, 2007, 04:45:09 pm
Quote from: "Lito"
Quote from: "D7"
After tequila my own mother won't touch me - forget about the mozzies....


hmmm not sure how to read that....like keeping it in the family then eh?


 :wink:  :D


Incest, a game the whole family can play!  :shock:
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Captain Zef on February 22, 2007, 04:51:37 pm
Har har har har. Jaq i'm still laughing.

There is nothing wrong with the water and you don't need any injections.

Malaria pills is a good idea if you are going to Zimbabwe or Mozambique.

Zimbabwe was beautiful the last time i was there but avoid it at all costs!
Title: Re: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets
Post by: Frank Warner on February 26, 2007, 04:11:56 am
Quote from: "Jaqhama"
The Lonely Planet series of travel guides recommends the following medical innoculations for Sub Saharan Africa...


Sub Saharran Africa ..  :shock:

lot more than South Africa (the country) .. draw a line from Senegal across to  umm Ethiopia .. and look south ..

that would be the generic warning .. good untill teh next edition in a few years .. what you take is up to you  .. but LP have covered their butts.

I need a compactor to get all my stuff on board! May be I can leave out the constupation stuff?

If your 'only' doing South Africa (the country) then LP have a book on that .. and it may be more apropriate to use that .. rather than 'Africa on a Shoestring'? :)
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Jaqhama on February 26, 2007, 04:30:50 am
G'day Frank...you started on your way yet then?

I only posted the info from Lonely Planet to amuse the guys mate.

I ain't using the Lonely Planet guide to tell me anything about SA, Nam, Bots or Moz.

Much better and more recent info available on the Net.
Much better info available from these guys right here.

Hardly any of the places these guys ride are even mentioned in the guides from LP.
But then LP is not for riders, more backpackers and hikers.

It's ok for general info I guess...especially if you want to know where to go for nightlife and food in Cape Town and Joburg.
Or doing stuff like the cable car up Table Mountain.
(Although you can hike up if you're keen enough.)
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Frank Warner on March 05, 2007, 01:51:44 am
Quote from: "Jaqhama"
G'day Frank...you started on your way yet then?


Just waiting for the really really bad wet weatehr to set in over there before I leave :?  .. another week or two?  Must be able to find some sun somewheres?
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: LuckyStriker on March 05, 2007, 08:54:20 am
hehehe - had a good chuckle at the LP medical advice. If you took all the innoculations they suggest, you'll probably suffer kidney failure!
Personally I dislike the LP guide books and much prefer the Rough Guide

I know of several UK peeps who drank straight from our taps and never had any stomach problems.
Our tap water is certainly cleaner than brittish water, especially London water (though that doesn't say much)

I'm sure someone from Oz won't have a problem with our insects either.
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Jaqhama on March 05, 2007, 09:48:07 am
Quote from: "Frank Warner"
Quote from: "Jaqhama"
G'day Frank...you started on your way yet then?


Just waiting for the really really bad wet weatehr to set in over there before I leave :?  .. another week or two?  Must be able to find some sun somewheres?


Not raining enough in Sydney for you mate?

I'm thinking of buying a submarine down here in the Shire. :D
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Frank Warner on March 06, 2007, 12:50:35 am
Quote from: Jaqhama
Quote from: Frank Warner
Quote from: "Jaqhama"
Not raining enough in Sydney for you mate?


Snot raining in the right places.

In various places I'd not drink the tap water ... South Africa is OK. But in other places ?

I've got what was it? 4 Japs in one arm and 1 in the other arm a number of times .. feel like a walking antigerm factory!
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Jaqhama on March 06, 2007, 10:40:40 am
Quote from: Frank Warner
Quote from: Jaqhama
Quote from: "Frank Warner"
Quote from: "Jaqhama"
Not raining enough in Sydney for you mate?


Snot raining in the right places.

In various places I'd not drink the tap water ... South Africa is OK. But in other places ?

I've got what was it? 4 Japs in one arm and 1 in the other arm a number of times .. feel like a walking antigerm factory!


Frank "Pincushion" Warner. :D

Lin and I are not getting any shots for anything.
These guys survive without a myrid of stuff inside them, we'll be ok.
But then I'm not riding up thru Africa to the UK.
I would get some shots if I was doing that.

I'm more concerned with muggers than germs.
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Frank Warner on March 07, 2007, 01:30:11 am
Quote from: "Jaqhama"
I'm more concerned with muggers than germs.


Can get mugged (or worse) in Sydney. Just use yer senses. If it don't feel good - get out of there.
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: IDR on March 07, 2007, 06:37:08 am
Quote from: "Frank Warner"
Quote from: "Jaqhama"
I'm more concerned with muggers than germs.


Can get mugged (or worse) in Sydney. Just use yer senses. If it don't feel good - get out of there.


Pretty much the same here - definitely some areas that need to be avoided...
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Ama ride ride on March 07, 2007, 08:21:06 am
Avoid the local minibus taxi's at all cost. They are more deadly than the ebola or HIV or mad cow or bird fly virus combined together..... :lol:  :lol:
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Stephan on March 07, 2007, 09:12:27 am
And they're equal opportunity killers, doesn't matter if you're inside or outside!   :shock:  :shock:
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Jaqhama on March 07, 2007, 02:55:40 pm
Are we stopping at robots in Joburg this week? :D

Or are we trying not to in case the car window cleaner is doing a more
enthusiastic job than one normally expects?
And taking the whole car?

Anyone ever been bike-jacked?

I'm kind of curious..if many people don't stop at robots due to hijack fears...what's the accident rate at intersections?

Or does this only happen at certain times of the day (outside peak hour) in certain places around the city?

So much to learn, so little time. :roll:
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: IDR on March 07, 2007, 03:04:52 pm
Quote from: "Jaqhama"
Are we stopping at robots in Joburg this week? :D

Or are we trying not to in case the car window cleaner is doing a more
enthusiastic job than one normally expects?
And taking the whole car?

Anyone ever been bike-jacked?

I'm kind of curious..if many people don't stop at robots due to hijack fears...what's the accident rate at intersections?

Or does this only happen at certain times of the day (outside peak hour) in certain places around the city?

So much to learn, so little time. :roll:


No, it's not that bad...generally don't stop at robots if it's after 22:00 and there is zero traffic.

Never heard of a bike-jacking  :D
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: shark_za on March 07, 2007, 03:08:37 pm
Bike jacking only happens in my garage when I need to work on it.
I've heard of only 1 instance where a guy riding offroad alone was robbed of his possetions.
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Jaqhama on March 07, 2007, 03:25:58 pm
Quote from: "shark_za"
Bike jacking only happens in my garage when I need to work on it.
I've heard of only 1 instance where a guy riding offroad alone was robbed of his possetions.


And he was on a KTM?
Whew..that's good to know.  :lol:  :lol:

I heard a story years ago that a bloke riding thru  Rosebury (Syd suburb. Quite safe at night normally.) pulled up at a robot at night on his Harley.
Two blokes jumped off the back of truck that pulled up next to him.
Pushed him over, gave him a kicking.
Pulled out plank and loaded Harley onto back of truck and drove off.

Lots of Harley's get stolen here...but that was the only hijack story I know of.
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: JourneyMan on March 07, 2007, 03:31:39 pm
Quote from: "shark_za"
Bike jacking only happens in my garage when I need to work on it.
I've heard of only 1 instance where a guy riding offroad alone was robbed of his possetions.


Agree. Surviving the cities/towns on the bike will mean not being taken out by cages/taxi's.

Robot skipping is prime sport of taxi's and some cages as well. Be aware of that.

Employ normal good diligence when riding and you should be OK.

When "sight seeing", protect your valuables. I.e. Do not leave your bags/camera/wallet etc. un-attended.

The street/robot vendors will also leave you alone on a bike. I've yet to experience a robot vendor approaching me to try and sell something to me when I'm on the bike.

Quite a different situation in the cage. They WILL try and speak to you. Just  keep your windows up if in a cage and approaching robots intersections. NEVER let the window down, despite their frantic attempts at trying you to do that.

Some scary rumours going around about needles being stuck into people etc.  :shock:
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: JourneyMan on March 07, 2007, 03:38:52 pm
Quote from: "Jaqhama"

I'm kind of curious..if many people don't stop at robots due to hijack fears...what's the accident rate at intersections?

Or does this only happen at certain times of the day (outside peak hour) in certain places around the city?

So much to learn, so little time. :roll:


Eish! Happens 24/7. Be aware at night. Drunk driving is also a major past time in SA. Across the board. Cages/taxi's, bikes. Oh. And drunk pedestrians.

Some of our South Africans have difficulty in judging distance and speed. Be awre of jay walkers.

Shees! I make it sound like SA is rough. :shock:  
I'm sure the same priciples applies in the rest of the world regarding safe riding.  :wink:
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Jaqhama on March 07, 2007, 04:47:13 pm
Yeah...riding is riding, don't matter what country you're in.

Cagers are cagers and taxis are taxis.

And drunks are drunks.

We don't have folks car-jacking you at robots with guns here however...or if we do it's such a rare occurence that it would be big news.

Just trying to pick up on SA riders survival techniques in terms of on road banditry. :D
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Red on March 07, 2007, 06:06:03 pm
Quote from: "Jaqhama"

Cagers are cagers and taxis are taxis.

Just trying to pick up on SA riders survival techniques in terms of on road banditry. :D


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Guys,  don't you think we must post a few pictures of taxi's for Jaq.  We are very proud of our taxi's ,  they are absolutely in a class of their own.

Jaq.  We will start our taxi training routine as soon as we see you the first time.  Taxi 101.
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Jaqhama on March 08, 2007, 06:04:49 pm
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "Jaqhama"

Cagers are cagers and taxis are taxis.

Just trying to pick up on SA riders survival techniques in terms of on road banditry. :D


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Guys,  don't you think we must post a few pictures of taxi's for Jaq.  We are very proud of our taxi's ,  they are absolutely in a class of their own.

Jaq.  We will start our taxi training routine as soon as we see you the first time.  Taxi 101.


Hmmm....lets see...chinese drivers are pretty bad. As are Indian/Pakistani taxi drivers.
Mum's picking kids up from school in SUV wagons.
Young people driving around on a Fri and Sat night.
Young people riding around on popular bike roads on a Sat and Sun.
Old people in cars who wear hats.
Old people driving old cars.
Anyone driving a Volvo.
Anyone on a mobile phone. (Technically illegal here.)

I don't think the country really matters...the make-up of road users is normally the same.
Sometimes the skin color or vehicle changes is all.
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Stephan on March 08, 2007, 08:05:30 pm
Jaq these guys do lane splitting with a packed minibus (15+ occupants) in peak traffic (gridlock) on the highway at speeds that puts a biker to shame!  :shock:  :shock:
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Welsh on March 08, 2007, 08:35:52 pm
Quote from: "Jaqhama"
Yeah...riding is riding, don't matter what country you're in.

Cagers are cagers and taxis are taxis.

And drunks are drunks.

We don't have folks car-jacking you at robots with guns here however...or if we do it's such a rare occurence that it would be big news.

Just trying to pick up on SA riders survival techniques in terms of on road banditry. :D


Jack,
You have a total misconception, you still relate to a "Taxi" like a London Cab or a Yellow etc etc, semi polite but talking continuous drivel, not what we are on about.

This is an "uncontrolled informal public transport system, which ignores all known road use rules and the Police".

Average driver has a "questionable licence" probably illegal.

Vehicles are not questionably roadworthy "European Style" they are questionable for the next km.

Factual:
Driver pulled over with 10 passengers no steering wheel using a Molegrip wrench on the steering  stem.

Driver kills 5 in another vehicle not "managing to stop at a 4 way" investigation showed he had cardboard in his brakes to stop the grinding not drum shoes.

No not Urban legends, facts.

Welsh  8)  8)
Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: KiLRoy on March 09, 2007, 01:38:02 pm
But otherwise its a nice country to travel in.... :D

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Title: Paranoid medical precations for SA...from Lonely Planets.
Post by: Jaqhama on March 09, 2007, 01:57:42 pm
Quote from: "KiLRoy"
But otherwise its a nice country to travel in.... :D

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