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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: WF on January 02, 2011, 06:40:20 pm

Title: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: WF on January 02, 2011, 06:40:20 pm
Help please ! Looking for a bike for my son. Budget around 80 - 90 k. He is a big lad so weight and height is not a problem. He is a pretty experienced rider so im not too worried about too much power or speed.
He will be using the bike for commuting to school and back mostly - roughly 10 000km / year. Hopefully the odd trip with me.
So basically it comes down to a newer 660 Tenere or older used 1200 GS ?
Obviously the older bike comes with a little more risk so far as maintenance goes but which is more bike for your buck ?
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Buks on January 02, 2011, 06:49:04 pm
 :peepwall: New is always better!
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: man on the moon on January 02, 2011, 06:58:43 pm
A well chosen 1200GS will be a good choice, but overall the 660 Tenere should be cheaper from an insurance point of view and is still a good bike to gain street wise riding skills. Will he use it off road?
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: KobusL on January 02, 2011, 07:01:55 pm
If I had to choose one bike to keep between my 660 Tenere and 1200GS I would keep the Tenere.
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 02, 2011, 07:03:50 pm
Will the 660's cruising speed be ok for trips with you? 
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: WF on January 02, 2011, 07:09:40 pm
He may do some off-road trips with me but i dont think the heavier bike will be a disadvantage . Namibia , Baviaans etc are not really technical and as i say he is a good rider.
The 660 will manage on my trips as i often have 650's with me. Going to school each day the 660 is perfect and i love Yamaha , but personally i dont like a rattling single ! Know they are bullet proof but i just dont enjoy them.
Then there is the shaft and tubeless tyres, not a huge problem but absolutely great when you dont have to worry about puctures and chains
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: eikeboom on January 02, 2011, 07:27:36 pm
Bicycle would be an excellent choice for going to school and back
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: philgil on January 02, 2011, 09:27:15 pm
Can't comment on a 1200GS, but just purchased a Tenere, and am very happy with it. Sits comfortably at 140. Engine vibration is not the same as the older "thumpers". Hope this helps.
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Bring It On on January 02, 2011, 09:39:00 pm
He may do some off-road trips with me but i dont think the heavier bike will be a disadvantage . Namibia , Baviaans etc are not really technical and as i say he is a good rider.
The 660 will manage on my trips as i often have 650's with me. Going to school each day the 660 is perfect and i love Yamaha , but personally i dont like a rattling single ! Know they are bullet proof but i just dont enjoy them.
Then there is the shaft and tubeless tyres, not a huge problem but absolutely great when you dont have to worry about puctures and chains
Hi there Darrell,... I've switched from my Translalp (Tubes & Chain) over to my 1200GS (Shaft & Tubeless),.. & it really is a nice comforting thought of having it much easier when it comes to maintanace (chain) & punctures (Tubeless), now that I am riding the GS. Both are really Gr8 bikes in their own right & the GS is also Gr8 for my daily commuting.
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: GSGIXXER on January 03, 2011, 09:40:42 am
Let him come take this one for a spin  :mwink:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=62117.0
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: LouisXander on January 03, 2011, 10:29:45 am
The chap will have to decide for himself. Both are great! Silly question, just strange that orange is not in the choice?

(actually glad it ain't as it will make this thread 10 times longer!)
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: WF on January 03, 2011, 04:49:01 pm
Actually the X Challenge and KTM 690 were both very much on the list ! My personal opinion is that the Tenere will be a better 'Road ' bike than the X challenge and 690.
He has about a 60km daily commute and if he does some trips with me i know he will suffer more on the x challenge and 690 than the Tenere.
I am quite happy with the Tenere, but as i said in the beginning , when you look at what else you can buy for the 90 k Tenere the older 1200 ' s fall into that price. It just makes me wonder which is better value ?
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Wasp on January 03, 2011, 05:22:21 pm
One up technical riding the 660. If he scopes longer touring with pillion the GS. Why not buying a 2ndhand 660? :thumleft:
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Plaashaas on January 03, 2011, 06:25:51 pm
Uhm sorry for hijack but 800gs is midway ---and logical  ??? ;D
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on January 03, 2011, 06:50:27 pm
I had a 1200 GS for 2,5 years, and I now have a XT660Z Yamaha. Did about 15000 km on each, on all kinds of road and off road.

The BM is a liability on anything more than gravel, in mud or sand it just STOPS or falls over. With that Paralever front end, you HAVE to stand up when off road. I had a lot of trouble with my BM. Pages of warranty claims, and expensive to service.

The Tenere is absolutely reliable, do a Google search for BMW problems and then XT660Z problems and see what comes up.

The XT660Z is a very, very, tough, reliable bike, my only complaint is that the rear suspension is a bit hard.

So, an out of warranty BM (OR ANY BM for that matter) or a brand new Tenere with a two year unlimited mileage warranty?

I'd buy the Yamaha every time. If my Yamaha got stolen, I would be back at the Yamaha dealer the next day to get another one, to me there is just no choice at all.   
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: WF on January 03, 2011, 08:09:19 pm
Plaashaas, you are correct. I never expected the used 800's to be around that mark , incorrectly assumed they sold for the high 90's and above. Definitly on the 'to Ride ' list for him.
As for Off Road Adventures i must disagree. So far as a GS in sand etc it may be a little more difficult but absolutely possible with a reasonable level of riding ability. Personally , wherever i cant take a GS id probably not want to and would rather take the plastic. Maybe the 660 is just lighter to pick up ?
So far as reliability i cant argue with facts but consider this. If you took total number of GS's on the road and added the km's they have done and then the same with the 660 the numbers may not look too bad ?
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on January 03, 2011, 08:20:37 pm
A 1200 GSA in sand? Only for real above average expert riders!! I have seen one awesome video of a 1200GS in sand, but you have to be fully committed and on the gas all the time. I'm just an average rider, I can handle a KLR or Tenere in the sand, but no way can I ride the 1200 BM. wHEN IT SATRTS GOING WRONG, YOU GO DOWN

Like I said, some guys have had great service from BMs, but mine, no. I know of lots of other people who had lots of trouble with BMs.

Just my opinion, and if I am going to ride sand, please Lord let me have my XT500!! 
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: WF on January 03, 2011, 08:35:31 pm
Point taken. I ride a BM, I also own Yamaha's and love em !

This is exactly why i keep telling my wife - You cant just have 1 bike !!!
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on January 03, 2011, 08:35:50 pm
And now I just watched this!! Eish!!


That 1200GSA is a two wheeled TRUCK!! ;D

Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on January 03, 2011, 08:44:33 pm
Ja Boet!! The only reason I have 4 bikes is because I have not got 10 yet!! I have 2 XT500s, a 2010 Tenere, and a really great little TTR250, for really difficult stuff. Street leGAL,  the TTR 250 does 120 on the open and about 30km/l, great suspension, weighs about 115kg  :biggrin: 
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on January 03, 2011, 08:48:33 pm
And they are all Yamahas!! I have had 66 bikes, the Yammies have been the most reliable  ;D
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: KobusL on January 03, 2011, 08:59:27 pm
Even though I can still pick up my GS before most people can get their cameras out, the Tenere makes it just so much easier  :imaposer:

Whichever bike your son gets, he is one lucky SOB to have you for a father.
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on January 03, 2011, 09:02:13 pm
This is what scares me........ Easy stuff like in the video below is a mission on a big bike. Another thing is all the weight in the panniers... My last trip up Sani, I took some guys with a 990, a 1200GS, a 1150 GS, AND A 650 Dakar. A long, not very difficult trip. All of us just  average riders. Only the Dakar and the Tenere made it without a fall. The other bikes were just too big for this sort of ride.

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Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Bring It On on January 03, 2011, 09:29:10 pm
The chap will have to decide for himself. Both are great! Silly question, just strange that orange is not in the choice?

(actually glad it ain't as it will make this thread 10 times longer!)
:laughing4: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Bring It On on January 03, 2011, 09:31:05 pm
Point taken. I ride a BM, I also own Yamaha's and love em !

This is exactly why i keep telling my wife - You cant just have 1 bike !!!
:laughing4: :thumleft: That is such a GOOD POINT.  :thumleft: I think I need to start telling my wife the same thing.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Plaashaas on January 03, 2011, 09:34:41 pm
Plaashaas, you are correct. I never expected the used 800's to be around that mark , incorrectly assumed they sold for the high 90's and above. Definitly on the 'to Ride ' list for him.
As for Off Road Adventures i must disagree. So far as a GS in sand etc it may be a little more difficult but absolutely possible with a reasonable level of riding ability. Personally , wherever i cant take a GS id probably not want to and would rather take the plastic. Maybe the 660 is just lighter to pick up ?
So far as reliability i cant argue with facts but consider this. If you took total number of GS's on the road and added the km's they have done and then the same with the 660 the numbers may not look too bad ?

Ja lekke  have seen them for as low as early 70s the 1200 is a bit of an old man's bike (I'll buy one day when the pistons are upright)  

In short:
- Tenere = pretty and goes well on  technical a bit pricey for a single
- 1200 gs will go for ever (humble opinion) and a day
- 800GS (im biased) farking love it
- gx 650 = he will have to stand all the way


get him to ride on sand, highway, passes (if possible)

Im sure he will choose right

good luck
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on January 03, 2011, 09:35:33 pm
I don't tell her about a new bike. She doesn't ask me if she can go shopping!! I just put the new bike amongst all the others!! Two of my mates used to keep their bikes in my 5x10m bike shed, their wives did not know they had bikes!! And my woman did not notice those either!!
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on January 03, 2011, 09:45:09 pm
And, if you are an INSTRUCTOR, on a BM, you ride like THIS!!
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Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on January 03, 2011, 09:51:14 pm
Look at this mad bastard on a BM!!!
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Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Bring It On on January 03, 2011, 10:14:35 pm
Look at this mad bastard on a BM!!!
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:laughing4: :thumleft: Mad or Not,... That's some Pretty Good Cornering.  :thumleft: ;D
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on January 07, 2011, 10:14:54 am
So, boet? What have you decided to buy your boy??  :ricky:
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: ETS on January 07, 2011, 12:44:29 pm
There are so many choice to make in that price category!!! Have you considered, dare i say it, the DARK side?
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Operator on January 07, 2011, 12:55:43 pm
Have you considered, dare i say it, the DARK side?

ETS.........he explicitly mentioned that he wants a reliable bike  :pot:
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: ETS on January 07, 2011, 12:58:21 pm
Have you considered, dare i say it, the DARK side?

ETS.........he explicitly mentioned that he wants a reliable bike  :pot:

Damn!!!! I did'nt think you would notice that :imaposer: :imaposer: :patch:
Title: Re: New 660 Tenere or Older 1200GS ????
Post by: Walkaway on January 07, 2011, 01:27:15 pm
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :imaposer: :imaposer: :laughing4: :laughing4: