Wild Dog Adventure Riding

General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: StevenKTM on April 27, 2011, 04:37:44 pm

Title: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: StevenKTM on April 27, 2011, 04:37:44 pm
A real adv bike is made to go in the dirt, and be just as capable on tar..right?

For a bike to be competent offroad, it needs a view basic things, good suspension, 21/18 wheels, good torque etc.

My friend recently contacted me, he has a HD xr1200, with a few offroad bits fitted, and he reckons once he has worked on the suspension etc. that it will be able to kick any ADV bikes ass, the XR1200 comes from a flat track racer background, which means it has allot of torque aswell.

So this got me thinking, if you buy a XR1200, fit it with WP suspension, and relace the rims..you would end up with a amazing ADV bike, for less than a GSA?
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Gerrard on April 27, 2011, 04:46:29 pm
This is a sports tourer and a hell of an adventure to ride.

(http://i51.tinypic.com/deof2u.jpg)
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Oshkosh on April 27, 2011, 05:14:46 pm
Perv this link
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=60761.0
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: BennNevis on April 27, 2011, 07:25:56 pm
And a seriously ltd fuel range. The xr1200 hd is a really cool bike, that can be had for bargain prices as the regular hd riders don't care much for it; no shooting the brease rider posture
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: domstes on April 27, 2011, 07:47:47 pm
The Xr1200 is a flattrackker which means that the suspension and geometry of for the chassis has been optimized for flat smooth gravel. The main problem with the XR1200 that I have seen is suspension travel. If you give the front and back enough travel then I think the bike will be a real hand full to ride.  Look at how long the HP2 is to get a bike with drive shaft enough travel and still a workable chassis.

He will have to work really hard to beat the current crop of ADV bikes. BMW, KTM, Yamaha and Honda have decades and millions of $ invested in research and development and the race success to prove it.

We get Jan on a HP2 and Alfie on a Super Enduro or a 990Adv and then he can choose anyone he wants on this FrankenHarley. It will make for an interesting race say from Vioolsdrif though Helsskloof pass to Alexanderbay.  :mwink:
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: SheBangGu on April 27, 2011, 08:00:14 pm
The Xr1200 is a flattrackker which means that the suspension and geometry of for the chassis has been optimized for flat smooth gravel. The main problem with the XR1200 that I have seen is suspension travel. If you give the frond and back enough travel then I think the bike will be a real hand full to ride.  Look at how long the HP2 is to get a bike with drive shaft enough travel and still a workable chassis.

He will have to work really hard to beat the current crop of ADV bikes. BMW, KTM, Yamaha and Honda have decades and millions of $ invested in research and development and the race success to prove it.

We get Jan on a HP2 and Alfie on a Super Enduro or a 990Adv and then he can choose anyone he wants on this FrankenHarley. It will make for an interesting race say from Vioolsdrif though Helsskloof pass to Alexanderbay.  :mwink:

Heeha :pot:
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: SGB on April 27, 2011, 09:02:56 pm
The internet is full of info about converting the Harley XR1200 to an adv bike.  But I doubt if a converted bike to the extent it takes will ever produce the reliability of its commercially available counterparts.  I have seen an XR 1200 with KTM 530 front suspension and front shocks of a quad bike in the rear (dual rear shocks) and it seems to work well. 

And the performance of the XR1200 is not quite on par with the 990 Adv / 1200 GS figures.  If I wanted to build an unusual bike, a project like this would interest me more than trying to build something rideable from an R80.  But I don't have the time or the "gees", so I just have to put all my trust in the abilities of the European engineers.

Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Gerrard on April 27, 2011, 09:19:11 pm
Capable looking bike.

"... something rideable from an R80."   That hurt !
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on April 27, 2011, 09:31:38 pm
Nope, you'll end up with a short arsed, hair singeing, expat hog... but it sure will go like smoke though... :)
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: SGB on April 27, 2011, 09:36:15 pm
No Jupiter, don't feel hurt. It is 2011. The 80 was great for its era but time has moved on.  I suppose it is the same as the Harley - you can build something really nice from them if you are really passionate - but will it beat the 2011 one that is already in the showroom?  And what will the cost be?  I still admire the people who take on these projects and the passion and commitment they put into them.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Chairman Meow on May 01, 2011, 04:09:48 pm
The R80 is actually VERY rideable......GKG 2011- an average of 1500km per attendee's (WC guys closer to 2000km) and not one trailer, back-up bakkie or serious mishaps.
More that can be said from a lot of other RR's that I've read.

Like Jay Leno said about the Y2K bike (to be related to R80G/S owners too) - It's like trying to explain sex to aliens............or you get it or you don't.  :biggrin: :thumleft:


BTW- the harley things looks cool, but seriously, what's the point of such a bike??
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: madmike999 on May 01, 2011, 06:00:21 pm
+1000


R80 G/S, that 's the final answer!

Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 01, 2011, 06:09:41 pm
it's all relative, no clear cut answers

you can have an adventure on any bike, ergo any bike can be an adventure bike. And you can probably convert any bike into a DS bike with enough money and effort.

I personally think that the best adventure bike is equipped with no less than a 400cc and no more than a 700cc engine, but that's just another opinion
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Oros on May 01, 2011, 08:05:36 pm
 :laughing4: I think you friend is smoking salty CRACK  :dousing:
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Rooikat on May 02, 2011, 08:53:33 am
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Rooikat on May 02, 2011, 09:15:31 am
it's all relative, no clear cut answers

you can have an adventure on any bike, ergo any bike can be an adventure bike. And you can probably convert any bike into a DS bike with enough money and effort.

I personally think that the best adventure bike is equipped with no less than a 400cc and no more than a 700cc engine, but that's just another opinion

+1 I agree, for once. Seriously, anything smaller will battle on long trips (>200 km) and probably be overstressed. Anything larger is overkill IMO and too heavy for offroad, even occasional offroad use.
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Trailrider on May 03, 2011, 08:17:57 am
it's all relative, no clear cut answers

you can have an adventure on any bike, ergo any bike can be an adventure bike. And you can probably convert any bike into a DS bike with enough money and effort.

I personally think that the best adventure bike is equipped with no less than a 400cc and no more than a 700cc engine, but that's just another opinion

+1 I agree, for once. Seriously, anything smaller will battle on long trips (>200 km) and probably be overstressed. Anything larger is overkill IMO and too heavy for offroad, even occasional offroad use.

I agree
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Gerrard on May 03, 2011, 09:05:08 am
Did a two day ride on a XL500R from CT to PE last year going nowhere slowly. Great way to have an adventure. I recently bought the bike from another member and have a great time on it.
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: The Rock on May 04, 2011, 01:04:20 pm
mmm, ek het n Yamaha FJ1200 minus fairing wat in my garage staan... D/S projek miskien...???
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Ama ride ride on May 04, 2011, 01:08:39 pm
It will make for an interesting race say from Vioolsdrif though Helsskloof pass to Alexanderbay. 

Nah it wont. :P
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Etienne2T on May 11, 2011, 09:02:29 pm
 
The 80 was great for its era but time has moved on. 

Finally someone that sees the light!

The R80 was probably awesome when Noah rode it off the ark, but since then we have discovered fire.
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Rooikat on May 11, 2011, 09:15:46 pm
........and matches, no doubt. :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Bossies on May 22, 2011, 08:04:55 pm
The Yamaha XJ900S Diversion is a brilliant shaft drive Sport Tourer. (It was my most loved, reliable, comfortable bike to date...I miss it dearly)
Considering the FJR1300 replaced the Divy it's also an option...  :mwink:

With a few tweeks you could get this:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kimkodde/yam090i.html

(http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/newsletter/images2003/2003-09-01_RonnieSkarner-Yam-XJ900S-DiversionOffroad.jpg)

But seriously, 210kg dry without luggage and those small wheels...in sand....NO thanks!!!
Title: Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
Post by: Cracker on May 22, 2011, 08:38:56 pm
  :imaposer:  you gotta be joking.... :imaposer: