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Title: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 05, 2011, 08:24:42 pm
2007 model 68 000km. With the engin under load and up to about 2500 revs, through all the gears, the enjin emits a faint knocking noise, like that of a diesel motor.

Is this what I'm supposed to hear or is it something I should have seen to. Bought bike secondhand and don't know what its supposed to sound like. Idle, pick-up and acceleration is smooth. Fuel consuption etc seem good.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Crab on August 05, 2011, 09:22:52 pm
you can ride my slightly older model sometime to compare
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: BiG DoM on August 05, 2011, 09:26:17 pm
Hey did not know you had a ADV stallion in the stable as well! I must say I mis mine sometimes ... but mostly on the long lazy cruises.

You will probably get alot of 'they all sound like that, sir' replies but probably best to try and borrow another one and compare. My guess would be that it needs a good tune up - set tappets AND endplay ... plus TB ballance. Or is this all in order? I must say though boxers are notorious for strange noises!
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: buzzlightyear on August 05, 2011, 10:07:29 pm
driveshaft?
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 05, 2011, 10:09:02 pm
you can ride my slightly older model sometime to compare

Thanks Crab, would like to do that. Think I,m just sensitvie as I'm used to my super quiet AT.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 05, 2011, 10:14:02 pm
Dom. All that supposed to be done when I bought the bike. The noise is faint and does not sound like its hurting. Remember I'm used to noisy Airheads and the noisier the happier. I don't know these enjins and what they're supposed to sound like.

Buzz. Noise definately from the enjin/pods, like when an enjin would ping, but rather the faint diesel knock.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: fixit on August 05, 2011, 10:17:25 pm
J, I hope it's not what i think it is. The way you explain it, it sounds exactly like a big end knock.
That being the case, the previous owner either cooked the motor at some point or ran low on oil.

I know that sound....been there got the T-shirt.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 05, 2011, 10:20:18 pm
Hey did not know you had a ADV stallion in the stable as well! I must say I mis mine sometimes ... but mostly on the long lazy cruises.



Recently acquired. As we get older the objectives change and I felt like getting a fresher touring bike( for those lazy cruises). Would have loved a HP2, but still have to consider my pillion. Love this bike though. Gives a good feeling when I ride it and handles tricky off-road remarkedly well.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 05, 2011, 10:24:36 pm
J, I hope it's not what i think it is. The way you explain it, it sounds exactly like a big end knock.
That being the case, the previous owner either cooked the motor at some point or ran low on oil.

I know that sound....been there got the T-shirt.

I think and hope I'm just over sensitive. Not really what I want to hear of course, but have to know. Wil first try to compare with other bikes, then check further. As Dom said, already been told its normal. Maybe it is. All enjins have their quirks, I hope.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: fixit on August 05, 2011, 10:41:25 pm
Yip, I felt the same way. Ran the bike for a couple thousand kays with that knock. Everyone I asked said it's normal, don't worry, you should hear some other what they sound like...so I just kept on riding.
Slowly but surely the noise got louder, so I eventually decided to strip it down. WTF!!!!
I couldn't belive what i found. The big end was seized fast to the crank. I had to have it machined off! It was obviously like that since I got the bike and who knows how long before.

I wish you the best, but don't leave it. Get someone to check it out properly. The only sound you should hear is a bit of valve/rockers clicking. Nothing else.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 05, 2011, 10:51:19 pm
As I have it the big end would make a continious noise and get louder as you rev up ? The noise I get is faint and goes away as the enjin speeds up or the load is taken off. Its only at low revs. At speed, if I accelerate hard, there is no noise.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: fixit on August 05, 2011, 11:04:02 pm
Exactly what mine did. No load, no noise at all. The heavier you roll it on the louder you can hear the knock. Not loud at all, but you can hear it.

You should get someone ( with a bit of mech knowledge) to stand on the side of the road, then ride past under hard acceleration and then ask their opinion?  :eek7:
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 05, 2011, 11:13:09 pm
Exactly what mine did. No load, no noise at all. The heavier you roll it on the louder you can hear the knock. Not loud at all, but you can hear it.

You should get someone ( with a bit of mech knowledge) to stand on the side of the road, then ride past under hard acceleration and then ask their opinion?  :eek7:


Thanks. Will do that.

Got to mention though, I bought the bike from a reputable and experienced BMW mechanic who I trust will not sell a bike out his shop that might be suspect. He assured me the noise is normal. I'm just curious I guess. I need to know what sounds right, so I can hear when something goes wrong.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Tonteldoos on August 06, 2011, 07:44:18 am
If it knocks open da door...  :peepwall:
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 06, 2011, 10:52:09 am
Any exstra vibrations when you hear the noise?
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 06, 2011, 01:22:37 pm
Any exstra vibrations when you hear the noise?

None. Enjin, pick-up, etc as smooth as silk.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Schlowy on August 06, 2011, 06:36:38 pm
chance is that your bike pinging i.e . too lean mix , from what we nether 2007 models had this issue which was "cure "by BMW in 2008/9 and then the 2010 model start is all over again ...
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Brakenjan on August 06, 2011, 07:02:43 pm
Geluk met die GSA Jupiter!!  :thumleft:

Hoop jou bike is oraait. Koop miskien een van Boer se plug-thingamajieks ek kyk of dit nie die probleem oplos nie?
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 06, 2011, 07:14:44 pm
Thanks for the replies so far. Rode a friends 2006 GS today. Has the same noise, just not as pronounced as on mine. Beginning to think its rather a problem with enjin settings as suggsted before. Taking two late model GSA's for a ride tomorrow to compare further.

Thanks Brakkies. Sou nie omgegee het as dit 'n HP was nie, maar moet op die stadium nog bedagsaam wees teenoor my pillion. Sy beurt sal nog kom, dan hoef ek nou nie meer soos 'n genooide gas daar in die Lounge te voel nie.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Duke916 on August 07, 2011, 02:25:48 pm
Yip hulle klink of hulle nok met wegtrek of swaar trek in n rat met lae revs  :thumleft: Het ook niks verander met daai booster kabel  :deal:
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on August 08, 2011, 09:42:11 am
I have had my 2010 GSA since Feb this year - its got 14500km on it now, bought it with 5K on the clock. Under load the motor seems to knock as well - is this the "Pinging" that is spoken of? If i shift to a lower gear the noise is gone - only appears under load at low revs?  ???
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 08, 2011, 09:52:30 am
I have had my 2010 GSA since Feb this year - its got 14500km on it now, bought it with 5K on the clock. Under load the motor seems to knock as well - is this the "Pinging" that is spoken of? If i shift to a lower gear the noise is gone - only appears under load at low revs?  ???

See Schlowy's remarks above. I took a 1200GS for a ride.  Same noise but fainter than mine and goes away if you speed up. Also rode two 2009 GSA's. One the same spec as mine the other 2009 spec. Both under 20 000km on the clock. No noise.

On mine the noise is more noticeable and goes away above 3000 revs. Having it checked out on Wednesday and will give further feedback. Have the idea now that it is enjin settings.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Crab on August 08, 2011, 10:05:44 am
Schlowy's comments are a bit too cryptic for me, I think you need in depth knowledge of the subject to fully understand what he is trying to say.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Schlowy on August 08, 2011, 10:23:37 am
Sorry guys ,this what happen when you hit your head  many times.... your think something and then write some thing else  ;)
let me try again

the issue with those motors is the mix of the fuel with air ,when it is too lean the engine start to ping i.e the chamber Temp is too high and ignite early then the engine management " plan"

the gs1200 2007 models did it more then the others ,in 2008 and 2009 GS 1200 the problem was rectify by BMW but in 2010 it's appear  that the problem come back again (at list from our clients)

the option you have (i don't try to do a sale speech here..)is to put the Accelerator Module or Booster plug which cure this issue completely or to go to BMW and let them play with it for a while . some time they can resolve it most time not ...

Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on August 08, 2011, 10:27:23 am
My Lump going in on Wednesday for a misfire/cutting out issue - I will get them to look at this as well....
I will post results when i get theml!
Thanks  8)
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 08, 2011, 10:33:59 am
Sorry guys ,this what happen when you hit your head  many times.... your think something and then write some thing else  ;)
let me try again

the issue with those motors is the mix of the fuel with air ,when it is too lean the engine start to ping i.e the chamber Temp is too high and ignite early then the engine management " plan"

the gs1200 2007 models did it more then the others ,in 2008 and 2009 GS 1200 the problem was rectify by BMW but in 2010 it's appear  that the problem come back again (at list from our clients)

the option you have (i don't try to do a sale speech here..)is to put the Accelerator Module or Booster plug which cure this issue completely or to go to BMW and let them play with it for a while . some time they can resolve it most time not ...



Would the pining then sound  like the faint knocking you get from a diesel enjin ?
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Snafu on August 08, 2011, 10:42:06 am
chance is that your bike pinging i.e . too lean mix , from what we nether 2007 models had this issue which was "cure "by BMW in 2008/9 and then the 2010 model start is all over again ...

That would be my guess. Dont agree with the 2008/2009 statement. We had all the models on the dyno and all models were running lean at low revs.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Snafu on August 08, 2011, 10:43:32 am
Sorry guys ,this what happen when you hit your head  many times.... your think something and then write some thing else  ;)
let me try again

the issue with those motors is the mix of the fuel with air ,when it is too lean the engine start to ping i.e the chamber Temp is too high and ignite early then the engine management " plan"

the gs1200 2007 models did it more then the others ,in 2008 and 2009 GS 1200 the problem was rectify by BMW but in 2010 it's appear  that the problem come back again (at list from our clients)

the option you have (i don't try to do a sale speech here..)is to put the Accelerator Module or Booster plug which cure this issue completely or to go to BMW and let them play with it for a while . some time they can resolve it most time not ...



Would the pining then sound  like the faint knocking you get from a diesel enjin ?

Correct, and a Accelerator module WILL solve it - no I am not a rep for Schlowy :)
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 08, 2011, 11:08:29 am
Right. Can someone now tell me what the accellerater module is, and does, or point me to the thread where I can read about it. Cost's of unit and installation etc ?
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 08, 2011, 12:36:09 pm
Right. Can someone now tell me what the accellerater module is, and does, or point me to the thread where I can read about it. Cost's of unit and installation etc ?

OK, sorted the info on Schlowy's website.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Crab on August 08, 2011, 12:40:09 pm
see also
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=67775.0
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Schlowy on August 08, 2011, 12:55:00 pm
chance is that your bike pinging i.e . too lean mix , from what we nether 2007 models had this issue which was "cure "by BMW in 2008/9 and then the 2010 model start is all over again ...

That would be my guess. Dont agree with the 2008/2009 statement. We had all the models on the dyno and all models were running lean at low revs.

yes you are correct but the problem is not as bad as the 2007
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 08, 2011, 01:10:31 pm
chance is that your bike pinging i.e . too lean mix , from what we nether 2007 models had this issue which was "cure "by BMW in 2008/9 and then the 2010 model start is all over again ...

That would be my guess. Dont agree with the 2008/2009 statement. We had all the models on the dyno and all models were running lean at low revs.

yes you are correct but the problem is not as bad as the 2007

Right, done all the reading. The thingymebob looks like the starting point.

Schlowy, do you have stock of the AM ? I'll be dealing through Alan Lewwis Motorcycles in PE. Want to place order on Wednesday.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Schlowy on August 08, 2011, 01:43:05 pm
yes we have stock ....
and as mention before the 2010 models are almost as bad as the 2007 so that noise under  load is what i was referring  to ....
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: BiG DoM on August 09, 2011, 07:18:10 pm
Talking about oilhead noises my HP2 makes an irritating ticking sounds from  the LHS pot - can be heard at idle mostly. All mechanics have listened and said tappets  - does seem to be reduced when they are set slightly on the tight side but still a mystery. Also it is not coming from the TB's. I know on the 1150's the timing chain could get noisy? Thoughts?
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 09, 2011, 07:28:01 pm
As I said earlier, I don't know what noises these enjins are supposed to make, but I'm learning. Each of the three 1200's I took for a ride this weekend make their own noises. Maybe then each enjin as it runs in develops its 'normal' noises, as with my Airheads. I know each one and when it starts to sound different I know it must be looked at.

Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Harry the Buffalo on August 09, 2011, 07:29:08 pm
Been riding a boxer for 4 years now and still not used to all it's funny noises. Spend hours worrying about stuff I hear and at the end it's just nothing to worry about. You'll get used to it. Even my brand new one has unsettling noises some times. Have it checked out but I believe it will turn out well. Ry daai ding man :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: buzzlightyear on August 09, 2011, 07:31:05 pm
Talking about oilhead noises my HP2 makes an irritating ticking sounds from  the LHS pot - can be heard at idle mostly. All mechanics have listened and said tappets  - does seem to be reduced when they are set slightly on the tight side but still a mystery. Also it is not coming from the TB's. I know on the 1150's the timing chain could get noisy? Thoughts?

It's not the injector ticking?

edit:
Quote
The injectors make a distinct ticking sound, to check if that is what you are hearing, at idle just put a faint tension on the throttle cable and you will hear the note of the ticking change.
from http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=426735
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: BiG DoM on August 09, 2011, 08:17:56 pm
Buzz this is what I had thought at one stage but as I say noise not coming from TB's (injectors on top) ... anyway bike faarks off and does not seem to affect its performanvce, but still curious.  ???
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Brakenjan on August 09, 2011, 10:22:55 pm
Please excuse my ignorance, but if the down side of an engine running too lean is over heating, what is the down side of an engine running too rich?

BigD, interesting - same knocking sound from my EishPee's left pod.  :3some:   :biggrin:
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 09, 2011, 10:28:07 pm
Hardly a down side. Little bit loss of power.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Crab on August 09, 2011, 10:32:22 pm
Jupiter cut your losses, dismantle the bike and sell it off as used spares.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 09, 2011, 10:37:40 pm
Jupiter cut your losses, dismantle the bike and sell it off as used spares.

Nope. Never been beaten by an enjin. Just got to get to know it and I'll make it go sweet. First ever fuel injection motor so just a little lost.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Crab on August 09, 2011, 10:40:32 pm
put sugar in the tank and it will run sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOT
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: BiG DoM on August 10, 2011, 06:32:14 am
Please excuse my ignorance, but if the down side of an engine running too lean is over heating, what is the down side of an engine running too rich?

BigD, interesting - same knocking sound from my EishPee's left pod.  :3some:   :biggrin:

Ja maybe we should move our question to the EishPee thread ... maybe normal? Just never remembered it on my ADV but then maybe it was masked by the big tank etc? Strange as the last time I set valves I was especially pedantic and set them toward the losser side if anything and the ticking seemed more pronounced? have heard the old adage that noisy valves are happy valves ... but why just on that side??
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Brakenjan on August 10, 2011, 08:01:50 am
Please excuse my ignorance, but if the down side of an engine running too lean is over heating, what is the down side of an engine running too rich?

BigD, interesting - same knocking sound from my EishPee's left pod.  :3some:   :biggrin:

Ja maybe we should move our question to the EishPee thread ... maybe normal? Just never remembered it on my ADV but then maybe it was masked by the big tank etc? Strange as the last time I set valves I was especially pedantic and set them toward the losser side if anything and the ticking seemed more pronounced? have heard the old adage that noisy valves are happy valves ... but why just on that side??

Edzachery!

Thanks Jupiter - I'm close to taking the leap on those boosterplugs. Please let me know what your experience is.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 10, 2011, 08:13:26 am
Will do. And lets keep the discussion on enjin noise here. If need be I'll change the heading to apply for all 1200's.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Schlowy on August 10, 2011, 12:58:59 pm
Please excuse my ignorance, but if the down side of an engine running too lean is over heating, what is the down side of an engine running too rich?

BigD, interesting - same knocking sound from my EishPee's left pod.  :3some:   :biggrin:

Ja maybe we should move our question to the EishPee thread ... maybe normal? Just never remembered it on my ADV but then maybe it was masked by the big tank etc? Strange as the last time I set valves I was especially pedantic and set them toward the losser side if anything and the ticking seemed more pronounced? have heard the old adage that noisy valves are happy valves ... but why just on that side??

Edzachery!

Thanks Jupiter - I'm close to taking the leap on those boosterplugs. Please let me know what your experience is.


why don't you come to the shop for a free test drive ....
we put it on for you and if all OK you pay ...
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Brakenjan on August 10, 2011, 08:21:16 pm
Thanks for the kind offer Schlowy - might take you up on it.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 10, 2011, 08:26:30 pm
My AM is bestel en sal hom seker oor die naweek fit. Sal laat weet wat gebeur.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Brakenjan on August 10, 2011, 09:55:27 pm
My AM is bestel en sal hom seker oor die naweek fit. Sal laat weet wat gebeur.

 :thumleft:  dankie
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 12, 2011, 10:04:07 pm
So I bought and fitted the Acceleraror Module.

As promised. Over night delivery and quick to fit DIY. Thanks Schlowy.

The enjin is smoother on idle and pick-up from low revs, but still not good enough for my liking. Maybe I'm just over sensitive about it.

The knocking noise is still there, but much less pronounced and now goes away at 2500 revs where before it was at 3000. Whether the bike pulls stronger I have no Idea. To me it goes like snot in any case, as I was used to smaller, less powerful, enjins.

My conclusion is that the gadget definately does something good, but I will have to also look at the proper tuning/set-up on the enjin- balance TB, check valve clearances, etc. But so far so good.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Brakenjan on August 13, 2011, 09:51:40 am
Thanks Jupiter - a good, balanced review.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on August 13, 2011, 04:19:49 pm
Today I took the bike and gave it a bit of open space. A GSA can redline and boy, does it fark-off. Scared myself shitless.

I noted that here from 3rd gear on, through the gears, when I accelerated hard, the enjin pick-up was not smooth and seemed to smother/choke ? Too lean or too rich ? I think lean.

So far then, I still think the bike needs a decent tune-up. Otherwise, man I love riding it. I think I will be able to live without my AT.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on September 16, 2011, 10:20:46 pm
Took the bike in(twice) to get the enjin set-up sorted. Not happy, as the noises were still there. I said no enjin beats me, so I sat and pondered for a while(ZEN) and then the simplist of solusions came to mind... EARPLUGS.

Now I'm just going to ride the bloody bike and enjoy it.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 16, 2011, 10:43:02 pm
Earplugs :imaposer: :imaposer: that is funny!
Jupiter, also try to find the thread in which Goose had the same sort of issues with his BM, they did a lot of dyno-testing with Superbike solutions, and they had discussions with BMW about it. Maybe something there?
                                                 
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on September 16, 2011, 11:02:52 pm
Ek is al om die blok met die ding. Accelarator Module ook ingesit. Myne is 'n 2007 model en hulle was blykbaar die raserigste van die lot. Niks fout met hoe die enjin loop nie, net die irriterende knock(ping ?) tot met 2500 revs onder lading. Nou berus ek my maar eers en ry die bike.

Maar thanks, ek sal soek vir Goose se thrread.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on September 16, 2011, 11:08:31 pm
Moet ook net byse, met die dinamieka van 'n boxer is dit eindlik 'n wonder dat hulle hom so oor die algemeen stil kry. Nou laat dit 'n besondere geluid uitstaan en dan klink dit nie reg nie. Op my ou Boxers kletter alles en dis reg. Niks klink verkeerd nie. Eintlik maar weird enjins. Jy moet nie bekommer oor die geraas nie. Leer dit goed ken en as dit verander, dan soek jy fout.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: BiG DoM on September 17, 2011, 07:23:27 am
A week or two back I set all valves again and did the rocker endplay ... very anal... and seems to have helped the noise I was hearing on the LHS pot. These engines are very forgiving even when out of spec.
PS. I always ride with earplugs on long trips - many do not realise how you can cause permanent damage if you do not (but then many like 2SD probably have permanent damage anyway  ;D)- also increses fatigue dramatically). My plugs are custom jobs wiff earphones for iPod!.  :mwink:
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: buzzlightyear on September 17, 2011, 07:59:54 am
I ride with earplugs every day. Only time when I don't is when running errands when I know the speed is not going to be above 80.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Schlowy on September 17, 2011, 07:04:01 pm
So I bought and fitted the Acceleraror Module.

As promised. Over night delivery and quick to fit DIY. Thanks Schlowy.

The enjin is smoother on idle and pick-up from low revs, but still not good enough for my liking. Maybe I'm just over sensitive about it.

The knocking noise is still there, but much less pronounced and now goes away at 2500 revs where before it was at 3000. Whether the bike pulls stronger I have no Idea. To me it goes like snot in any case, as I was used to smaller, less powerful, enjins.

My conclusion is that the gadget definately does something good, but I will have to also look at the proper tuning/set-up on the enjin- balance TB, check valve clearances, etc. But so far so good.

hi
from our experience the 2007 model is one of the worst in terms of lean mix set by BMW .
i am working now on two new models of the AM
the first will be aim at the 2007 range which add 20% to the value set on a normal AM it will  add more fuel to the mix ( i will send you one to test and if it is helping you then send the used one back)
the second one will be aim on those riders that do a lot of long distance and need more fuel economy scarfing a little of the power the normal AM give .
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on September 18, 2011, 08:15:16 am
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Goose on September 18, 2011, 08:55:45 am
My reply is simple............ unless the Safricans stand together and force BMW-SA to get new AF mapping for SA conditions from Germany... the bikes will all continue pinging. The mapping on the bikes is for EU3 standards and with 98 or higher Octane.

BMW-SA or should I say Mr Steli Momos' statement to me was that there were too few bikes or owners that had an issue with the pre-detonation, for them to emplore BMW-GA to supply them with remapping for the ECU's. Hell they even denied knowing about the availability of a lower-grade fuel mapping that's offered by BMW and CLEARLY mentioned on their colour advertising brochures for these bikes (anyone got one - scan and place here)

Guess what - my new GSA runs on a local supermarket's petrol - Tesco's Super Unleaded 99 Octane petrol - and it does NOT ping  :thumleft:  and goes like a bat-out-of-hell!
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: MINZI on September 18, 2011, 08:59:29 am
I had the same knocking sound on my bike. This happened with all grades of fuel. The CAT has been removed, still there, Fitted Remus endcan, still there, Fitted Schlowy and BMC airfilter, much better and nearly gone, fitted full Akrapovic system, now it is gone.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 18, 2011, 10:44:21 am
Went for the first ride after fiitting the AM yesterday.
The throttle is better and the pinging is gone.(my bike has no cat and a Acro pipe)
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Obi -Wan on September 18, 2011, 11:52:54 am
Hi Jupiter

I think one has to seperate the noises you are experiencing.

If you have a pinging problem , the accellerator module will help - I am sceptical that you will have a pinging problem at sea level.

You probably have one of the following issues on your 1200:

On some 1200 's the cam chain tensioner could get sticky and knock a bit ( like a bearing) when cold, and go away when warm. Change over to a semi-synthetic engine oil   - which i would do anyway  - or get the tensioners replaced.

The majority of the knocking sounds come from a clutch rattle which gets worse as the bike warms up, this is common on many 1200 GS 's . Just ignore it, if your bike runs well, doesn't overheat , uses no oil then you are ok. Mine has had the knock for 86000 km and tops out at 219 kmh on my 276 c.

Damn noisy BMw's !
 

 C
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on September 18, 2011, 12:20:36 pm
Hi Jupiter

I think one has to seperate the noises you are experiencing.

If you have a pinging problem , the accellerator module will help - I am sceptical that you will have a pinging problem at sea level.

You probably have one of the following issues on your 1200:

On some 1200 's the cam chain tensioner could get sticky and knock a bit ( like a bearing) when cold, and go away when warm. Change over to a semi-synthetic engine oil   - which i would do anyway  - or get the tensioners replaced.

The majority of the knocking sounds come from a clutch rattle which gets worse as the bike warms up, this is common on many 1200 GS 's . Just ignore it, if your bike runs well, doesn't overheat , uses no oil then you are ok. Mine has had the knock for 86000 km and tops out at 219 kmh on my 276 c.

Damn noisy BMw's !
 

 C

Fitted the AM 7. Made no decernable difference to the noise. When cold the enjin is dead quiet, even under load. I use ful synthetic oil and don't think it is the clutch. The bike is a little rough on idle, but pulls nice and smoothly. Over 3000 revs The noise seems to go away or is deadened by helmet noise. At any revs, if the enjin is not under load ther is no noise, but the heavier loaded, the noisier it is. So I'm quite sure by now its pinging.

I'll wait and see about Schlowy's new AM model. Its a slow process, as you can only make one change at a time and then test for a while.

Goose's solution seems to be the only right and permanent one, if only these oke's would get there heads out there arses and give the customer what he wants.

It seems so unecessary to go the route of expensive mods and upgrades, like the other guys did, but in the end it will probably be the answer.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on September 18, 2011, 12:24:27 pm
My reply is simple............ unless the Safricans stand together and force BMW-SA to get new AF mapping for SA conditions from Germany... the bikes will all continue pinging. The mapping on the bikes is for EU3 standards and with 98 or higher Octane.

BMW-SA or should I say Mr Steli Momos' statement to me was that there were too few bikes or owners that had an issue with the pre-detonation, for them to emplore BMW-GA to supply them with remapping for the ECU's. Hell they even denied knowing about the availability of a lower-grade fuel mapping that's offered by BMW and CLEARLY mentioned on their colour advertising brochures for these bikes (anyone got one - scan and place here)

Guess what - my new GSA runs on a local supermarket's petrol - Tesco's Super Unleaded 99 Octane petrol - and it does NOT ping  :thumleft:  and goes like a bat-out-of-hell!

Goose, can you please give me the link to the thread where you discussed these issues on your bike.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: tonys on September 18, 2011, 01:12:23 pm
Jupiter

It's all here, all 30+ pages - http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=49103.0
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: tonys on September 18, 2011, 01:35:12 pm
My reply is simple............ unless the Safricans stand together and force BMW-SA to get new AF mapping for SA conditions from Germany... the bikes will all continue pinging. The mapping on the bikes is for EU3 standards and with 98 or higher Octane.

BMW-SA or should I say Mr Steli Momos' statement to me was that there were too few bikes or owners that had an issue with the pre-detonation, for them to emplore BMW-GA to supply them with remapping for the ECU's. Hell they even denied knowing about the availability of a lower-grade fuel mapping that's offered by BMW and CLEARLY mentioned on their colour advertising brochures for these bikes (anyone got one - scan and place here)

(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4148/capture1sn.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/capture1sn.jpg/)

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7677/capture2pvc.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/capture2pvc.jpg/)



Guess what - my new GSA runs on a local supermarket's petrol - Tesco's Super Unleaded 99 Octane petrol - and it does NOT ping  :thumleft:  and goes like a bat-out-of-hell!
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on September 18, 2011, 01:46:22 pm
Thanks.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Goose on September 18, 2011, 03:05:33 pm
My reply is simple............ unless the Safricans stand together and force BMW-SA to get new AF mapping for SA conditions from Germany... the bikes will all continue pinging. The mapping on the bikes is for EU3 standards and with 98 or higher Octane.

BMW-SA or should I say Mr Steli Momos' statement to me was that there were too few bikes or owners that had an issue with the pre-detonation, for them to emplore BMW-GA to supply them with remapping for the ECU's. Hell they even denied knowing about the availability of a lower-grade fuel mapping that's offered by BMW and CLEARLY mentioned on their colour advertising brochures for these bikes (anyone got one - scan and place here)

(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4148/capture1sn.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/capture1sn.jpg/)

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7677/capture2pvc.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/capture2pvc.jpg/)



Guess what - my new GSA runs on a local supermarket's petrol - Tesco's Super Unleaded 99 Octane petrol - and it does NOT ping  :thumleft:  and goes like a bat-out-of-hell!


Thanks TonyS   - yep that little paragraph is ignored it seems.....   ???
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: BennNevis on September 18, 2011, 04:17:32 pm
I had the same knocking sound on my bike. This happened with all grades of fuel. The CAT has been removed, still there, Fitted Remus endcan, still there, Fitted Schlowy and BMC airfilter, much better and nearly gone, fitted full Akrapovic system, now it is gone.   :thumleft:
It's not gone, you just cannot hear it :biggrin:
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: MINZI on September 20, 2011, 12:40:08 pm
I had the same knocking sound on my bike. This happened with all grades of fuel. The CAT has been removed, still there, Fitted Remus endcan, still there, Fitted Schlowy and BMC airfilter, much better and nearly gone, fitted full Akrapovic system, now it is gone.   :thumleft:
It's not gone, you just cannot hear it :biggrin:

I also thought that it could be that, but at a steady speed, the noise from the cans are not to bad so I could hear that there were no knoking. It took a while for someone to actually make that remark, thought someone will give me shit sooner... ;D
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Goose on September 20, 2011, 12:45:31 pm
Chaps - some food for thought....

BMW keep saying that there is no problem, pinging... is acceptable, pinging is non-destructive to the engine.........  :eek7:


so here's the question....!

If there is no issue at all.... why the hell are there so many aftermarket products that have been designed to try get the A/F settings right and to prevent the damage to the engines.... Power Commanders, Wunderlicht......... ffs everyone's trying to solve a problem, which quite frankly BMW themselves knowingly created (UE Standards for emmissions) - and here we the fools are brand loyal and trying to resolve the issue in a gentlemanly manner....?

Just does not make sense... surely we the consumer have the power to get the manufacturer and local distributor to fix the bloody problem?

BMW-SA's attitude with regard to this is just arrogant and quite frankly unbelievable....... how the hell are they getting away with it?  :xxbah:
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: BennNevis on September 21, 2011, 09:20:46 pm
I had the same knocking sound on my bike. This happened with all grades of fuel. The CAT has been removed, still there, Fitted Remus endcan, still there, Fitted Schlowy and BMC airfilter, much better and nearly gone, fitted full Akrapovic system, now it is gone.   :thumleft:
It's not gone, you just cannot hear it :biggrin:

I also thought that it could be that, but at a steady speed, the noise from the cans are not to bad so I could hear that there were no knoking. It took a while for someone to actually make that remark, thought
someone will give me shit sooner... ;D


Not giving shit, did my gezaust aswel but under full load one can still just hear mine and by all feedback so far one has to go PC route. Too lean a fuel mix for our low octane stuff. Incidentally under constant throttle you would not hear pinking
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: BiG DoM on September 21, 2011, 09:56:28 pm
I had one of the first 2006 1200ADV's in SA  - no pinginging! Presently have EishPee2 ... NO PINGEEING. (I do run a Wonderlick/Techlusion PC but even wiffout does not ping) ???
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Gérrard on October 04, 2011, 10:20:53 am
So I bought and fitted the Acceleraror Module.

As promised. Over night delivery and quick to fit DIY. Thanks Schlowy.

The enjin is smoother on idle and pick-up from low revs, but still not good enough for my liking. Maybe I'm just over sensitive about it.

The knocking noise is still there, but much less pronounced and now goes away at 2500 revs where before it was at 3000. Whether the bike pulls stronger I have no Idea. To me it goes like snot in any case, as I was used to smaller, less powerful, enjins.

My conclusion is that the gadget definately does something good, but I will have to also look at the proper tuning/set-up on the enjin- balance TB, check valve clearances, etc. But so far so good.

hi
from our experience the 2007 model is one of the worst in terms of lean mix set by BMW .
i am working now on two new models of the AM
the first will be aim at the 2007 range which add 20% to the value set on a normal AM it will  add more fuel to the mix ( i will send you one to test and if it is helping you then send the used one back)
the second one will be aim on those riders that do a lot of long distance and need more fuel economy scarfing a little of the power the normal AM give .


Got the two new models of the AM's today. Thanks Schlowy(At his costs ! The man will not rest until his happy with my bike :thumleft:). Will start testing this afternoon.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: BlingKing on October 04, 2011, 12:43:20 pm
Very simple - I am on my 17th Adventure and haven't had one ping or break and those that know me know I ride hard. I have even done 3 Tri-Track tours on Adventures, the solution is very simple - the Wunderlich Performance Controller. It simply works and you can ask whatever map you want.

For a really quiet motor - my Adventure is on a diet of Liqui Moly Racing Fully Synthetic 10W50 motor oil with the wunder substance called Cera Tec. Cera Tec is a cermaic additive that is a friction modifier, makes the motor run quieter, cooler and protects it against wear - it IS THE SHIZZ!
To give you an example - my bike runs 2 bars cooler on the heat guage than it did before I added Cera Tec, and that's with some pretty hectic riding
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Dogmatix on October 04, 2011, 06:10:40 pm
and what costs this Shizz Nizz? Can one add it to mineral oil or only fully synth?
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Alan on May 08, 2012, 07:27:26 am
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Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Goose on May 08, 2012, 09:22:40 am
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Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: BlingKing on May 08, 2012, 05:21:49 pm
and what costs this Shizz Nizz? Can one add it to mineral oil or only fully synth?

Sorry Dogmatix - a bit slow on the rebound are I .......
Cera Tec be R 274.00 but if you don't tell lecap I am giving a discount you can have it for R 240.00. I would like to say you should only be running Liqui Moly oil in your baby, but you can mix it with mineral or synthetic.
The big question would be is WHY would you run your Beemer on mineral oil, it is not s Cortina GTS bud  :-\
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Dogmatix on May 09, 2012, 11:07:12 am
I never actually added any oil to the boxer motor myself - only when serviced did it change. I was wondering for my other bikes....
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: BlingKing on May 09, 2012, 11:25:04 am
I never actually added any oil to the boxer motor myself - only when serviced did it change. I was wondering for my other bikes....

Cool bananas, remember the Cera tec only works with the Boxer motor because it has a dry clutch, you cannot use the Cera Tec with a wet clutch bike - for those we have the MoS2 additive which does much the same thing and actually saved my race bike last year from damage!
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Tin-Tin on November 06, 2013, 09:25:57 am
Jupiter, what was the final result? Ek is seker nou die agter os in die kraal maar het onlangs ń 2007 adv gekoop en het nou die selfde probleem presies soos jy verduidelik het. Fiets was las week vir diens en nou wil die mechanic cylinder heads af strip om te sien wat die geraas maak.

Ek is nie baie lus daar voor nie.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Vlakhaas on November 06, 2013, 12:46:52 pm
TT, ek het nie die hele thread gelees nie, maar my 2007 (80 000) km en 'n vriend s'n (23 000) maak altwee so. Myne raak nou al hoe stiller hoe ouer hy raak.  ???  Ek is vas oortuig die fietse loop net te "lean". Die probleem is omtrend weg op bo 3000 rpm. 'n Power commander en professionele "tune" sal dit ook oplos as jou budget dit toelaat.

Ek dink ook oor die manier hoe die boxer sy wringkrag lewer is meeste mense geneig on op te lae revs te ry en dan labour die enjin. Sodra die revs hoog genoeg is, is sy so glad soos 'n gebotterde speenvarkie!
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Duke916 on November 08, 2013, 07:27:10 am
Het n Wunderlich controller op my bike gesit maar die nok is steeds daar al is my mengsels ryker  ::)  Kan moontlik iets met die cam chain of tensioners te doen he   ??? Myne is amper op 60K en die geraas het nie erger of beter geword nie so dit lyk my hulle kom wel so uit   :-\
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Tin-Tin on November 08, 2013, 09:45:23 am
Dankie vir die feedback, dink ook dit is iets met die cam of cam belt te doen.
Was onlangs Mozanbique toe en in die hitte plus minus 40 grade raak dit nogal iriteerend.
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Captain Zef on November 08, 2013, 11:00:06 am
Dis die fuelling manne. Daar is oral geskryf daaroor op die internet. Julle gaan niks kry by die cam chains. Die bikes hardloop lean en die probleem raak al hoe erger hoe warmer die bike raak. Ek het my 2005 GS 1200 verkoop vir presies die rede. Myne het selfs krag verloor op warm dae.

Hy maak so... Tik Tik Tik Tik soos jy ry...

BMW het myne hoeveel maps opgelaai. Niks het gehelp.

Power command hom dis al.

Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Vlakhaas on November 08, 2013, 12:43:10 pm
Het n Wunderlich controller op my bike gesit maar die nok is steeds daar al is my mengsels ryker  ::)  Kan moontlik iets met die cam chain of tensioners te doen he   ??? Myne is amper op 60K en die geraas het nie erger of beter geword nie so dit lyk my hulle kom wel so uit   :-\

Die tensioner sovęr ek weet is die een wat die harde lawaai maak as jy die fiets start vir 'n paar sekondes en dan weggaan. Daar was 'n ou op ADV rider wat syne te styf gestel het, ek is nie seker wat hy gedoen het nie. Was vreeslik in sy noppies met die stil fiets vir 'n paar dae, en toe breek daai cam ketting.

Is die Wunderlich controller dieselfde as 'n power commander?
Title: Re: 1200 ADV Engine knocking noise
Post by: Tin-Tin on January 09, 2014, 08:26:04 pm
Ek het ń bmc air filter. Na ń lekker goeie skoon maak is die geraas 80% minder. Sal dit meer gereeld moet skoon maak. Ry baie in stof op site.

Daar is wel nog ń ligte geraas so kan dalk die mapping wees.