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Title: tarring the sani pass
Post by: luke on July 06, 2007, 08:55:16 pm
Has anyone got definite information regarding the proposed tarring of the Sani Pass, or is this another Urban Legend ?

cheers
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Steady on July 06, 2007, 09:11:22 pm
Was there about 5 weeks back. The first ten km's in from the t junction were being prepped for tarring but a while to go before that happens, might be busy with the tar about now. Somehow I do not think that they will get beyond the SA border post and that's the good stretch of DS road. If they do it's still a way off IMO.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Inglsman on July 06, 2007, 09:43:54 pm
it'll go all the way to the top. the sponsors, the EU, have the greater good of the 10 zillion people trapped in that country in mind, rather than preserving the playground of the idle rich on their weekend toys.

Harsh words perhaps, but you can count the vehicle-possible exits to that country on your fingers (and for the adventurous, you may have to include your toes, but definitely not yo willy :) )

If we could afford to put in a tunnel for them we might keep our playpen, and I reckon we could, if only we cared more - but like all things, we'll let it slip by, like we're gonna let the imminent tarring of Baviaan's do too
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: jabu69 on July 07, 2007, 12:19:09 pm
Read TopBike July '07, very interesting article about tarring the Sani and reactions from locals and visitors.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Beemer Man (RIP) on July 09, 2007, 08:23:40 am
Its definately been planned for, I read an article in one of the Engineering magazines, they want Lesotho to have access to Durbans harbour infrastructure and to open up better access in and out for their people, if it actually happens is another story.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: brettp on July 09, 2007, 11:01:22 am
Like Jabu says...read top bike July edition.

Econimically it makes sence...emotionaly it doesnt. But all in all, its gonna happen, like it or not.

SAD...........
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: bmad on July 09, 2007, 01:14:49 pm
When they do get to the point of tarring the last section, there will be a couple of brave souls that will recreate a road for our pleasure at another point.

Sani has been a means of enjoyment for 4x4's, DS bikes, donkey carts, etc for many years. It is all about the challenge of the road.
Somewhere, someone is planning a new route....


.. so all is not lost! O0
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Pistol on July 09, 2007, 02:08:41 pm
Only be completed in 2009, so plenty time still!!!
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: shark_za on July 09, 2007, 04:07:44 pm
I'm not bummed that they are taking away a bit of dirt.
If it stayed so remote and undisturbed it would be great, but a tar road means more chops can get there, thats the sad bit.

If I want to ride hectic dirt I know where to go for that.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: brettp on July 10, 2007, 02:12:55 pm
Shark...I believe they intend to TAR De Wild too !!!!!  ;) ;D ;)
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: LuckyStriker on July 10, 2007, 02:22:18 pm
Aaaah memories

The N1 highway from Cape Town to Johannesburg. Once it too was a dirt track which only hardcore men with beards and long whips could conquer. Then those bastards came and tarred it under!

Another unfortunate case of: "cursed with progress"

;)
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: SGB on July 10, 2007, 07:41:16 pm
No worries about Sani - we will still have it for a few years.  Then there is still Monantsa, Ramatseliso, Qachasnek, Ongeluksnek and Tele.  It will take them some time to tar all of these and there are awesome places to see and ride both sides of the border posts near all of the above.   

It is going to be fun following the progress as they tar Sani - some challenges await the poor contractor....
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Plothond on July 10, 2007, 09:28:52 pm
Well, if the funders have any savvy, they will emply SWISS planners and Engineers.

They are MASTERS at bridge and pass construction

I am astounded at every twist and turn of every bit of tar where they can build a road. Sani will be piecemeal for them. (not that I want it to happen)
Title: Sani Pass Tarring
Post by: Kokkus on August 02, 2011, 01:58:55 pm
Hi all!  Does anyone know if Sani Pass is still being tarred?  I cant find any recent updates on the interweb on this. 

I would love going up there before it is completely tarred. 
Title: Re: Sani Pass Tarring
Post by: alwyn_gs on August 02, 2011, 03:43:06 pm
Not tarred yet,  :mwink: got a friend, working for a company who is going to work on the project, who said it will be tarred in the near future ( will start next year somewhere ), then again the same rumor is doing the rounds for the past 10 years...  :deal:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: HP FREAK on August 02, 2011, 07:15:58 pm
Ja hulle gaan hom teer sodat die Land Rovers ook bo kan uit kom  :imaposer:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2011, 07:25:07 pm
En die groot BMW GS'e :peepwall:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: HP FREAK on August 02, 2011, 07:27:42 pm
En die groot BMW GS'e :peepwall:



Hey kom nou 2St ons praat van karre  :imaposer:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Tweets on August 02, 2011, 08:17:43 pm
There is a huge shortage of TAR (ASPHALT) at the moment, thats why the Gauteng Highwasy & byways have not been finished yet. Projects all around the country are being rationed. So its going to be some time before they finish the rod all the way to the top.  ;D
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Mr.T on August 02, 2011, 09:11:03 pm
 :imaposer:

Ya in 50 years time.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2011, 09:28:34 pm
And then the 1st half is back to dirt again! :imaposer:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Tommy Transalp on August 03, 2011, 09:43:24 am
Yep... tar roads are just large steps on gravel hiways :ricky:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Camino Cerdo on December 03, 2011, 12:05:07 pm
Went up Sani Pass last week, the tar is oosing in but will be a long time to get to the top.  But if you want to make the run you best do it this year. Was told by 4X4 tour guide at the top that it will be shut down next year to start blasting. 

Bob :ricky:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 03, 2011, 12:56:37 pm
It was mentioned that Lesotho needs access to Durban harbour. Now, unless they transport all their goods on bakkies, how much do they plan to alter the current pass to enable trucks to negotiate the hairpins? It seems that what they mean by blasting will really be demolishing quite a bit of the mountain.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: RobC on December 03, 2011, 04:36:19 pm
Sani will be the new shortcut to Bloem... >:D
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 03, 2011, 05:20:58 pm
Tar Sani, and we just ride an R1 up there. There is a Yamaha for every application >:D
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: HP FREAK on December 03, 2011, 05:38:21 pm
Can this realy happen?
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: charlw on December 03, 2011, 10:54:50 pm
I doubt they will tar it for the poor souls landlocked in Lesotho. IMO there is a huge dam due to be built near Mokgotlong. Tar road will give 24/7 access to the huge vehicles needed to build this dam. The conglomerates don't care about the poor souls. It is progress (money) that drives this.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: JonW on December 03, 2011, 10:58:08 pm
I doubt they will tar it for the poor souls landlocked in Lesotho. IMO there is a huge dam due to be built near Mokgotlong. Tar road will give 24/7 access to the huge vehicles needed to build this dam. The conglomerates don't care about the poor souls. It is progress (money) that drives this.

You are right about the dam.

A huge new dam is to be built, that is why all the roads in the Village Chief's Hut area are being upgraded. They need easy access for construction vehicles and materials.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: RobC on December 04, 2011, 12:15:32 am
It is the third dam in the project afaik. The plan is to link Maseru to Sani as well.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: BiG DoM on December 04, 2011, 07:40:53 am
I also went up Sani about 10 days ago and it is virtually in gravel highway condition! I must say I am skeptical about it being tarred even in the next 10 years (forget the Swiss...Chinese maybe yes) and even then no big trucks are going to negotiate it regularly, forget it. The big trucks will enter elsewhere and stay in the mountain kingdom - as said there are BIG road projects on the go in the Kao mine area and really VERY BIG Volvo trucks etc ... moving vast amounts of Lesotho around  :o
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 04, 2011, 09:37:02 am
Mining is almost always bad news, but neccesary for our lifestyle. Dams could be equally bad news, intruding on the natural flow of water and migration of fish,etc.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Adventurer on December 04, 2011, 10:12:08 am
For them to construct a dam near Sani there will have to be tar road access nearby, but Sani in it's current style will not work, it is too severe for the type of trucks needed fror a project of this type, tarred or not. The road to Katse had to be built first, EVERY bit of material for the dam, barring certain sand, was trucked up there, (I helped modify a few truck/tractors for this contract, and worked on the lift in Kastse Dam wall) there is one corner/switchback on this section that interlinks have to do in two stages, one trailer at a time, the corner is just to sharp, close to the highest point, for those that have done this road. The corners on Sani are just to sharp, especially the last 5km for any truck/trailer combination to navigate, they would have to find an alternative route to the are, possibly from the Mokotlong side.
I'm sure Sani as it is safe for quite some time...
If the Chinese build it, they will carry on rebuilding it from bottom to top for ever, they build kak roads, ala Mozambique style, keep themselves in a job by building kak quality roads.......
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: SGB on December 04, 2011, 10:50:49 am
The contract for upgrading the road from Mokgotlong to Sani is in the final throws of negotiation.  The plan is that Maseru to Sani via Thaba Tseka will be tarred completely.  And the road from Oxbow to Sani will go the same way. 

The tar road around the south from Mohaleshoek to Qachasnek is there.  The link between Maseru and Qachas is also in progress via Roma, Ramabanta, Semonkong and down the hill to Sekake.  The last section will be a challenge....
There is a lot of overseas money being poured into Lesotho for this purpose.

The political will is there - Sani.  I am not aware of any specific contract for tarring Sani beign awarded to date, but looking at all of the above, it will probably happen.  We also thought that building a tar road to Katse was impossible, but it is there now.  Sani is a small job in comparison.

The health infrastructure upgrade project is busy spending US$ 800M.  Hundreds of clinics are being built.  Staffing them with Zimbabweans and Malawians.  As soon as a Mosotho is qualified and enters the "middle class", they want to work in Maseru and the lowlands.  In the mountains, they battle to find willing people to do the work.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: JonW on December 04, 2011, 11:44:12 am
In case anyone is interested, here is a report on the economic implications of tarring Sani.

http://projects.gibb.co.za/Portals/3/projects/201110%20Sani/Appendix%20E%20-%20Specialist%20Reports/E6/Appendix%20E6%20-%20Broad%20Scale%20Economic%20Assessment.pdf (http://projects.gibb.co.za/Portals/3/projects/201110%20Sani/Appendix%20E%20-%20Specialist%20Reports/E6/Appendix%20E6%20-%20Broad%20Scale%20Economic%20Assessment.pdf)
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: JonW on December 04, 2011, 12:26:36 pm
I doubt they will tar it for the poor souls landlocked in Lesotho. IMO there is a huge dam due to be built near Mokgotlong. Tar road will give 24/7 access to the huge vehicles needed to build this dam. The conglomerates don't care about the poor souls. It is progress (money) that drives this.

The dam is called the Polihali Dam, it is going to cost 7.3 Billion Rand to build, the wall will be165-m-high and it will have a 2,2-billion-cubic-metre-capacity. The project started in 2011 and will be completed around 2017.

http://www.trademarksa.org/news/lesotho-water-project-needs-scrutiny (http://www.trademarksa.org/news/lesotho-water-project-needs-scrutiny)

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/second-phase-of-water-project-to-increase-economic-growth-2009-06-05 (http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/second-phase-of-water-project-to-increase-economic-growth-2009-06-05)
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Duke916 on December 09, 2011, 04:26:35 pm
My wife is working with the project , Sani is going to be tarred but the esses are going to be scrapped because the esses are too dangerous. A new route going up is planned, same area though .
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 09, 2011, 09:47:54 pm
How about a road going straight up and giving all the trucks super lowrange. :pot:
With maybe a jump at the top. >:D
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: shark_za on January 07, 2012, 12:45:33 pm
I also went up Sani about 10 days ago and it is virtually in gravel highway condition! I must say I am skeptical about it being tarred even in the next 10 years (forget the Swiss...Chinese maybe yes) and even then no big trucks are going to negotiate it regularly, forget it. The big trucks will enter elsewhere and stay in the mountain kingdom - as said there are BIG road projects on the go in the Kao mine area and really VERY BIG Volvo trucks etc ... moving vast amounts of Lesotho around  :o
Saw your sticker.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2012, 03:17:19 pm
I also went up Sani about 10 days ago and it is virtually in gravel highway condition! I must say I am skeptical about it being tarred even in the next 10 years (forget the Swiss...Chinese maybe yes) and even then no big trucks are going to negotiate it regularly, forget it. The big trucks will enter elsewhere and stay in the mountain kingdom - as said there are BIG road projects on the go in the Kao mine area and really VERY BIG Volvo trucks etc ... moving vast amounts of Lesotho around  :o
Saw your sticker.

Ja BiG DoM on the GSpot  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: mischiefjay on July 20, 2012, 06:49:04 pm
I heard last night on Pasella that they are going to tar Sani.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: TVB on July 20, 2012, 07:43:27 pm
I heard last night on Pasella that they are going to tar Sani.

And still would be gr8 to ride up there with a bike....but yes - would have to rush to do it on gravel while I still have a change
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Tweets on July 21, 2012, 08:38:12 pm
Which CENTURY ?  ;D  

I really would not get my knickers in a twist right now.  It will take years, before funds are found to actually do this. Then consultants, will be given their brief. Then an invironmental impact study will have to be done, with participation of all communities involved. Once past that stage, then only will a tender be advertised and put to the market, with a 90 day validity. It will take them a year to adjudicate the tender, then it will be another three months before you see any form of site estblishement, and eventually road works starting.  Then its going to take them at least 5 years to actually built the road and tar it.  

This is a 5  to 15 year dream, "nice to have" project.  

We still got losts of time to go do "SANI"
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: frans1 on July 21, 2012, 08:51:09 pm
Hulle sukkel nou al 4 jaar om die mooi grondpad van die T aansluiting to by Sani Hotel te teer. as hulle so aangaan sal dit hulle 30 jaar vat om die pad tot bo te teer! :imaposer: :imaposer: :peepwall:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: ahlbebuck on July 21, 2012, 08:55:15 pm
There's some minutes of meetings by Consultants Arcus Gibb, etc. on the Web. (Google "Sani Pass surfacing")  Progress is much further than we might think.

Interesting study:


http://projects.gibb.co.za/Portals/3/projects/201110%20Sani/Appendix%20E%20-%20Specialist%20Reports/E6/Appendix%20E6%20-%20Broad%20Scale%20Economic%20Assessment.pdf
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: BiG DoM on July 22, 2012, 12:02:53 am
The Chinese can and will do it for Lesotho but to what end - no big trucks, earth movers for dams etc will ever get up there so why actually bother ??? Easier to build a new pass!
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Fudmucker on July 22, 2012, 09:40:39 am
The Chinese can and will do it for Lesotho but to what end - no big trucks, earth movers for dams etc will ever get up there so why actually bother ??? Easier to build a new pass!

The Chinese can bring in 10000 people and do the work by hand with shovels, picks and baskets.
They use similar methods in the mountains in Chinese occupied Tibet.
They can do it here too.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: BiG DoM on July 22, 2012, 10:41:31 am
The Chinese can and will do it for Lesotho but to what end - no big trucks, earth movers for dams etc will ever get up there so why actually bother ??? Easier to build a new pass!

The Chinese can bring in 10000 people and do the work by hand with shovels, picks and baskets.
They use similar methods in the mountains in Chinese occupied Tibet.
They can do it here too.

Exactly - different work ethic and different approach to a 'problem' .... oh and Africa  ::)
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Tommy Transalp on July 23, 2012, 01:57:45 pm
The Chinese built the Great Wall.... and those that didn't toil hard enough, became part of the foundations!! Sounds like a good plan to me! :pot: 
No seriously, I agree that it could take a long time before it actually gets tarred. Everytime they try to "resurface" the road with gravel, it comes down after the next rain/snowfall, and turns it back to a challenging route... :o
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: sheldyn on June 26, 2013, 01:19:38 pm
Hi guys,

I am hearing a lot of talk again about the surfacing of Sani Pass.  Some guys were there recently and saw some machinery on the side of the road.

Any info in this regard will be appreciated!

There are loads of us that would still like to experience it in the rough before surfacing!

I know these threads have been going on for nearly 10 years now but it seems a lot of roads are already converted, has the day now come that Sani will be surfaced?!?!?!

Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: JonW on June 26, 2013, 01:25:00 pm
Hi guys,

I am hearing a lot of talk again about the surfacing of Sani Pass.  Some guys were there recently and saw some machinery on the side of the road.

Any info in this regard will be appreciated!

There are loads of us that would still like to experience it in the rough before surfacing!

I know these threads have been going on for nearly 10 years now but it seems a lot of roads are already converted, has the day now come that Sani will be surfaced?!?!?!



There is currently work being done on Sani Pass, but it is not related to the tarring. There is blasting taking place to sort out drainage issues on the existing pass. The tarring of the actual pass it seems is going to happen, just not yet.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on June 26, 2013, 01:27:29 pm
Some guys were there recently and saw some machinery on the side of the road.

That was probably only the gravel road scraper that they saw.

I know these threads have been going on for nearly 10 years now but it seems a lot of roads are already converted, has the day now come that Sani will be surfaced?!?!?!

So 10 years and they have done the first few km past the farms, another ten years to the SA border post and another 10 years to reach the bottom of Sani and another 10 year to tar Sani.   ;)
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Poffmuis on June 26, 2013, 01:30:48 pm
There's more fun roads to ride in Lesotho than Sani. Tarring Sani just means we'll be able to get to the fun stuff quicker....  :ricky:

Chinese are building roads all over Lesotho. There are even some Italians in the north of Lesotho building roads.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on June 26, 2013, 01:31:04 pm
The Chinese can and will do it for Lesotho but to what end - no big trucks, earth movers for dams etc will ever get up there so why actually bother ??? Easier to build a new pass!

The Chinese are rebuilding many roads in Lesotho.  Exactly what the agreement with Lesotho government is I don't know.

But who are responsible for Sani Pass?  On the map it seems to be on the SA side of the border.  Will Lesotho then pay for the tarring of Sani?  The other tarring work done on the road leading to Sani  was not doen by Chinese?
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: JonW on June 26, 2013, 01:37:42 pm
Sani is the responsibility of the SA Govt, and the SA Govt do the maintenance and will be tarring the pass.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on June 26, 2013, 01:41:53 pm
Sani is the responsibility of the SA Govt, and the SA Govt do the maintenance and will be tarring the pass.

Doubt if SA has any urgency/requirement/need to get Sani tarred then?
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: JonW on June 26, 2013, 01:45:17 pm
No apparently there is a budget set aside and the plans are there, but fortunately in SA they are constrained by things like first having to do Environmental Impact Reports etc. Unlike in Lesotho where the Chinese just get stuck in and blast the sensitive areas to shit. I hear it will be another 5 years before Sani is tarred.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: RobC on June 26, 2013, 02:11:48 pm
It all depends on the 3rd dam schedule, using Sani is a huge cost saving compared to carting stuff around via Van Reenen.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: JonW on June 26, 2013, 04:16:54 pm
It all depends on the 3rd dam schedule, using Sani is a huge cost saving compared to carting stuff around via Van Reenen.

Rob I think you are sadly mistaken.

I don't believe that large trucks carrying construction materials for the Polihali Dam will ever use Sani Pass, even when it is tarred. The only bearing the new dam will have on the tarring of Sani is accessibility for tourism purposes.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: RobC on June 26, 2013, 04:26:20 pm
It all depends on the 3rd dam schedule, using Sani is a huge cost saving compared to carting stuff around via Van Reenen.

Rob I think you are sadly mistaken.

I don't believe that large trucks carrying construction materials for the Polihali Dam will ever use Sani Pass, even when it is tarred. The only bearing the new dam will have on the tarring of Sani is accessibility for tourism purposes.
I hear you, but bear in mind what diesel cost way back when Katse was built, at today's prices will add a significant cost factor to any new project, tarring Sani would cut both that cost as well as save a few hours as well plus add the tourism factor for Lesotho.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: cloudgazer on June 26, 2013, 04:27:25 pm
There's more fun roads to ride in Lesotho than Sani. Tarring Sani just means we'll be able to get to the fun stuff quicker....  :ricky:



etolls?

 :)
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Woestynhond on June 26, 2013, 04:28:56 pm
Was just about to gooi sanral into the thread! Maybe they will fund the project! :imaposer:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: RobC on June 26, 2013, 04:31:45 pm
Was just about to gooi sanral into the thread! Maybe they will fund the project! :imaposer:
:imaposer: I would not put it past them... it will shorten the route from the N1 to Durban...
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Pistonpete on June 26, 2013, 04:34:05 pm
It all depends on the 3rd dam schedule, using Sani is a huge cost saving compared to carting stuff around via Van Reenen.

Rob I think you are sadly mistaken.

I don't believe that large trucks carrying construction materials for the Polihali Dam will ever use Sani Pass, even when it is tarred. The only bearing the new dam will have on the tarring of Sani is accessibility for tourism purposes.
I hear you, but bear in mind what diesel cost way back when Katse was built, at today's prices will add a significant cost factor to any new project, tarring Sani would cut both that cost as well as save a few hours as well plus add the tourism factor for Lesotho.

Fear not....if the Chinese are building it it's going to fall apart with rapidity if big trucks are going to use it...and they would have to do major cliff side earthworks to get turning circles right for tracter & trailer....its going to be interesting to watch..
Newguy is right.....for some the pass is the trip...for others it's a means to a start...
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Mooch on June 26, 2013, 04:37:34 pm
Well thats good news...
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Pistonpete on June 26, 2013, 04:38:53 pm
+ the okes down below now get their zol quicker.....unless they still doing the donkey trains to the lowlands.... O0
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: BiG DoM on June 26, 2013, 06:49:07 pm

Fear not....if the Chinese are building it it's going to fall apart with rapidity if big trucks are going to use it...and they would have to do major cliff side earthworks to get turning circles right for tracter & trailer....its going to be interesting to watch..
Newguy is right.....for some the pass is the trip...for others it's a means to a start...
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PP - not sure what you base this opinion on? The Chinese have built some of the best roads in the most demanding terrain in the world. Twenty years ago already I travelled the Silk Road when first open to westerners and was impressed by their roads even in some remote areas. Some of the Chink roads in Lesotho are awesome feats of construction - last year saw first hand the mamoth Qachas Neck road building and while terrifying in terms of how it is going to open up Lesotho is fooking impressive. That said to get big trucks up Sani it would need major reingeneering and cannot see it happening...but then I can also say that the Chinese view challenges very differently to Africans...
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: RobC on June 26, 2013, 06:53:58 pm
The Chinese have successfully built roads and railways that defied all engineering logic. Give them some credit! :sip:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: JonW on June 26, 2013, 07:02:23 pm
The Chinese are not involved in the tarring of Sani Pass
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Heimer on June 26, 2013, 07:34:35 pm
According to this post the chinese are tarring the sani pass

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=127077.0
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Pistonpete on June 26, 2013, 07:43:51 pm

Fear not....if the Chinese are building it it's going to fall apart with rapidity if big trucks are going to use it...and they would have to do major cliff side earthworks to get turning circles right for tracter & trailer....its going to be interesting to watch..
Newguy is right.....for some the pass is the trip...for others it's a means to a start...

PP - not sure what you base this opinion on? The Chinese have built some of the best roads in the most demanding terrain in the world. Twenty years ago already I travelled the Silk Road when first open to westerners and was impressed by their roads even in some remote areas. Some of the Chink roads in Lesotho are awesome feats of construction - last year saw first hand the mamoth Qachas Neck road building and while terrifying in terms of how it is going to open up Lesotho is fooking impressive. That said to get big trucks up Sani it would need major reingeneering and cannot see it happening...but then I can also say that the Chinese view challenges very differently to Africans...
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Working on African projects is like clubbing baby seals to them......plus watch thr Chinese population grow in the area...

And if i was the SA Gov i would put a trade embargo on them until they use a SA company to build the roads.....it's not like they don't exist because of our benefication...
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Heimer on June 26, 2013, 07:55:49 pm

Fear not....if the Chinese are building it it's going to fall apart with rapidity if big trucks are going to use it...and they would have to do major cliff side earthworks to get turning circles right for tracter & trailer....its going to be interesting to watch..
Newguy is right.....for some the pass is the trip...for others it's a means to a start...

PP - not sure what you base this opinion on? The Chinese have built some of the best roads in the most demanding terrain in the world. Twenty years ago already I travelled the Silk Road when first open to westerners and was impressed by their roads even in some remote areas. Some of the Chink roads in Lesotho are awesome feats of construction - last year saw first hand the mamoth Qachas Neck road building and while terrifying in terms of how it is going to open up Lesotho is fooking impressive. That said to get big trucks up Sani it would need major reingeneering and cannot see it happening...but then I can also say that the Chinese view challenges very differently to Africans...
Working on African projects is like clubbing baby seals to them......plus watch thr Chinese population grow in the area...

And if i was the SA Gov i would put a trade embargo on them until they use a SA company to build the roads.....it's not like they don't exist because of our benefication...
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They build these roads to come strip a country of its natural resources.

African politicians allow it, because their voters think it is being done for them as 'development'
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: RobC on June 26, 2013, 07:59:41 pm
They build these roads to come strip a country of its natural resources.

African politicians allow it, because their voters think it is being done for them as 'development'
and what has Lesotho got except one diamond mine and water? ::)
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Heimer on June 26, 2013, 08:00:52 pm
They build these roads to come strip a country of its natural resources.

African politicians allow it, because their voters think it is being done for them as 'development'
and what has Lesotho got except one diamond mine and water? ::)

A corrupt state
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: RobC on June 26, 2013, 08:04:21 pm
They build these roads to come strip a country of its natural resources.

African politicians allow it, because their voters think it is being done for them as 'development'
and what has Lesotho got except one diamond mine and water? ::)

A corrupt state
less corrupt than Zumazanzi... :lol8:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: BiG DoM on June 26, 2013, 08:06:57 pm
Working on African projects is like clubbing baby seals to them......plus watch thr Chinese population grow in the area...

And if i was the SA Gov i would put a trade embargo on them until they use a SA company to build the roads.....it's not like they don't exist because of our benefication...
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Sounds like zenophobic bigotry. You said that their roads would "fall apart with rapidity" and have not substantiated this claim. Not everything Chinese is crap - remember 'Jap Crap' ... things Jap were also considered inferior and where are they now? The Chinese were an advanced civilisation long before the West and are no longer a slumbering dragon but will be the mega power within our life time. Main reason is work ethic and their embracing capitalism. Yes there is Chinese colonisation afoot, no doubt. Before you know it your orange bike will be being made not just in India but China as well.  :3some:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: JonW on June 26, 2013, 09:40:30 pm
According to this post the chinese are tarring the sani pass

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=127077.0

Read the post again  :biggrin:

The Chinese are doing the road between the top of Sani and Mokhotlong, this is all inside Lesotho.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: TVB on June 27, 2013, 08:49:10 am
I am amazed that so many people think that the Chinese are actually building quality roads in Africa ??? Yes for fair to good quality build by them in Asia and even some part in Europe. However, I have worked many years in Africa and the Quality of roads build by the China people are crap generally speaking! Roads started to break op in the DRC within the firs year of construction as well as their many roads in Ethiopia! Most of the times they will only lay a base course and never the 'wear coarse' and you can clearly see that they do not test materials in labs. The crushed stone they used on a road in Eastern Ethiopia (Jijiga) broke up after te second rainy season.....so I beg to differ when it comes to Chinese 'so called Quality roads'. They are involved in almost every Country in the world, but it seems that Africa will still get the 'made in China keep in a cool place' workmanship...pity
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Dwerg on June 27, 2013, 09:24:27 am
I heard Sani will be tarred by next week Tuesday so hurry up if you want to ride it  ::)
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on June 27, 2013, 09:35:46 am
I heard Sani will be tarred by next week Tuesday so hurry up if you want to ride it  ::)


 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Tommy Transalp on June 27, 2013, 09:39:52 am
I heard Sani will be tarred by next week Tuesday so hurry up if you want to ride it  ::)

Ja... and feathered the week after! :snorting: :lol8:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Lestutu on June 30, 2013, 01:33:01 pm


a recent RR may answer the question finally ...


One of southern Africa's most iconic gravel travel tracks - Sani Pass via Kotisiphola to Mokhotlong - is being transformed at a rapid pace, courtesy of a Chinese road building team. Encamped near Mokhotlong, the team started from the point where the tar gives way to the gravel road heading east towards Sani Pass.
They're not wasting time and the forward digging party is already on Kotisiphola (Black Mountain Pass). The transformation is mind-blowing- the beautiful, narrow winding track is being cut, drilled and bulldozed into a highway!!
Judging by the infrastructure over rivers and smaller water course, the surface is being prepped for a hard top. This road will link up with Sani Pass that probably means the pass is also heading for a hard surface.
A South African contractor is blasting the switch backs wider on Sani Pass and will also cut drains before his contract ends in August. Complaining bitterly about the cold, saying the diesel often doesn't unfreeze till late morning. Note that access up and down Sani Pass is limited to before 11 am and after 3 pm when they're blasting. Also, expect to be delayed on the Lesotho side, especially now that progress is moving up Kotisiphola.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Tommy Transalp on June 30, 2013, 01:37:39 pm
Eish...... that's bad news :(
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Lestutu on July 06, 2013, 09:45:46 am
The death knell, reported on Friday, July 8

END OF THE ROAD FOR GRAVEL SANI PASS
Tour operators and tourism stake holders in the southern Drakensberg have lost their fight against the tarring of Sani Pass when the KZN Department of Transport was granted environmental authorisation for the “proposed upgrade of the Sani Pass road”. The current tarred road to the former Good Hope trading station will be extended to the South African border post and up Sani Pass to its summit at the Lesotho Border Post, a distance of 19 km. Currently, contractors are widening some of the narrow sections on the switchbacks, and are preparing to lay drains. The only recourse is to appeal against the decision by July 22.  The notice of intention to appeal, as well as the appeal must be lodged with the DEA, by fax (012) 320 7539, or email at AppealsDirectorate@environment.gov.za.
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: Fudmucker on July 06, 2013, 01:56:35 pm
Now I can even ride my BMW R1200GS up it too... 
but the KTM guys will have to find another route .
:pot:

Hmm...
I wonder who will be
1) the first and
2) the fastest
to ride a Superbike up Sani Pass.   :sip:
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: shark_za on July 19, 2013, 07:10:02 am
Dont get confused and think the trucks will need to do tight turns, the new route is not up the switchbacks but will come along the side.
A massive project not just tarring what is there already.

It may mean the old road will remain and deteriorate :) 
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: iamgigglz on July 19, 2013, 08:24:34 am
Dont get confused and think the trucks will need to do tight turns, the new route is not up the switchbacks but will come along the side.
A massive project not just tarring what is there already.

It may mean the old road will remain and deteriorate :) 

This changes everything. Are they seriously just building an entirely separate new road?
Title: Re: tarring the sani pass
Post by: sheldyn on July 19, 2013, 08:34:36 am
Sounds like its all speculation at the moment.  I have some mates heading up there today... Will post some info when they let me know details