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Title: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Gene on November 28, 2011, 09:01:49 am
Mali kidnap: wife devastated
November 28 2011 at 07:41am
By SHAIN GERMANER

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Motorcycling across Africa was going to be his last epic trip. He was ready to settle down, start a family, and take over his father’s business. It was just one last adventure – another item to strike off the bucket list.

But days after arriving in Mali last week, the South African man, 37, was taken captive with two friends at gunpoint in the capital Timbuktu.

The man’s family have not heard anything from the him in the two days since reports of the attack.

His wife arrived in Gauteng on Sunday. “She’s putting on a brave face – we all are – but she’s devastated,” said the man’s distraught father.

The family have been advised by hostage negotiators not to reveal the man’s name, for his own safety.

The International Relations Department was waiting for news from Mali’s government and the South African embassy on the captives’ whereabouts.

The man’s father said on Sunday he had last spoken to his son on Thursday, the night before the kidnapping.

After years of living in England, the man was making his way across Africa to South Africa.

Travelling south from Timbuktu, he was due home in a few weeks.

He was travelling with two friends – one Dutch and the other Swedish.

Speaking on Skype on Thursday, the man told his father civil unrest in Timbuktu was “getting out of hand”, and it was time for the group to leave Mali as soon as possible.

But less than 24 hours later, the man and his two friends were reported missing, after an incident near their campsite that left another German national dead.

Associated Press reported that the travellers were at a Timbuktu restaurant when a group of gunmen burst in, taking four tourists and killing the German when he refused to climb into their truck. “They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time,” said the man’s father.

The identities of three of the kidnapped men are known to the authorities, but because of the sensitive nature of the incident, have not been revealed. No personal details on the fourth tourist have emerged.

Canadian tourist Julie-Ann Leblond said she met the South African, a Swede and a Dutch couple in Mali. They invited her to join them as they headed to Timbuktu. But she took ill and stayed behind in Bamako.

“I was never so happy to get a cold,” said Leblond, 25, from Quebec City.

Despite having ransomed dozens of tourists visiting Mali since 2003, the al-Qaeda branch in the country has not claimed responsibility for the kidnappings. Mali, which borders Algeria, established democracy in 1992, and has had to deal with cross-border banditry and terrorism that have involved numerous kidnappings.

Department of International Relations spokesman Clayson Monyela said it remained unclear who kidnapped the men and why.

The man’s father said the family had been briefed by top SAPS hostage negotiators and told to maintain “a low profile” as too much information in the public domain could jeopardise the case.

The families of the Swedish and Dutch men had reportedly been contacted regarding ransoms. “But we haven’t heard a thing. We were told it could be up to three months before we’re contacted. It may be to put us under pressure, said the father.

International Relations had been working to get information on the man’s whereabouts, Monyela said. - The Star
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Mark Hardy on November 28, 2011, 09:07:26 am
This very sad news, strongs to the families.

I really hope this ends well.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: luke on November 28, 2011, 09:11:15 am
I have to believe that this will end well.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: subie on November 28, 2011, 09:19:27 am
It probably will for the kidnappers. Money in pocket and no chance ever being brought to justice.
I do hope though that there is a "willingness" by Mali government to engage and solve this sad drama. If you look at other kidnappings then very little effort by powers that be to engage these parasites unfortunately.

 :ricky:


I have to believe that this will end well.

Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 28, 2011, 09:21:39 am
One has to hope. Bad news for riding there :(
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: RobC on November 28, 2011, 09:23:15 am
One has to hope. Bad news for riding there :(
Anywhere north of the Equator is going to get worse and worse for traveling. :-[
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: GIDEON on November 28, 2011, 09:44:15 am
Seriously crap
Thinking of the poor familie, hope it ends well
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Just_Plain_Dan on November 28, 2011, 09:49:32 am
northern africa is really becoming a shithole

Good luck to the hostages and their families!
Hope it all turns out well
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: subie on November 28, 2011, 09:57:32 am
Wonder how long before the south catches on there is money to be made from these soft targets.
Hope it gets erradicated before it migrates south but............ :patch:

 :ricky:


northern africa is really becoming a shithole

Good luck to the hostages and their families!
Hope it all turns out well
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: volroom on November 28, 2011, 09:59:54 am
must say that i've often wondered why this kind of this does not happen more often..I mean, it's Africa! those guys are stuck in poverty and here we come riding through there impoverished towns with R200k bikes. But yah, nothern Africa I would have guessed is worse...Nigeria is there...  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: AntonW on November 28, 2011, 10:19:59 am
As sad and scary as it is this happens all over the world.

Wishing ever one involved the best
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: DRAZIL on November 28, 2011, 10:20:19 am
Wonder how long before the south catches on there is money to be made from these soft targets.
Hope it gets erradicated before it migrates south but............ :patch:

 :ricky:


northern africa is really becoming a shithole

Good luck to the hostages and their families!
Hope it all turns out well

This was bound to happen and it will spread. >:(
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 28, 2011, 10:52:59 am
I just saw this on the front page of the paper.. what a fantastic way to advertise that it is open season on kidnapping bikers.

I think back to my africa trip and you are so vunerable, you rely on the locals for information and on many occasion you trust them to give you food and drinks, accomodation and directions, you rely on them. If this had to change it would change the way people rid etheir bikes through other countries.

It is potentially a very sad state of affairs for future riders.

Hope this situation gets resolved without anyone getting hurt

Muz
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Boxer on November 28, 2011, 10:59:53 am
Very Sad news....I am planning a trip in 3years time....hopefully it is sorted by then :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: White Rhino on November 28, 2011, 11:24:56 am
If the Mali gov. doesn't step in to help rescue the situation, the future of turism looks bleek. Not just bikers - kidnapping doesn't discriminate; truck drivers, journalists, helpers and the like are all candidates.

They're shitting on their own doorstep. Bad new travels fast.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: DRAZIL on November 28, 2011, 11:41:34 am
The world should put tough sanctions on the run down african country and those surrounding them,hopefully the people will realise what little the were making to survive is gone and the go on a revolt to rid themselves of the dictators and corruption.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: subie on November 28, 2011, 11:53:37 am
I don't think they will be worried about sanctions. They have got the bleeding hearts western world by the balls. If they stop aid/handouts then the western world is "responsible" for the old and babies starving. The western world has got no idea how to exit this scenario without losing the moral high ground. They realise by now throwing money and food at the problem is not helping the real needy on the ground much, instead lining the pockets of some very cruel bastards.

 :ricky:



The world should put tough sanctions on the run down african country and those surrounding them,hopefully the people will realise what little the were making to survive is gone and the go on a revolt to rid themselves of the dictators and corruption.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Buks on November 28, 2011, 11:55:39 am
I have to believe that this will end well.


+1  :(
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 28, 2011, 12:19:09 pm
The problem is that if bikers are seen to become soft targets while travelling solo through Africa it will spread like wild fire as the police force in many of these countries are pretty flimsy at best. When my mates tank bag got stolen in Tanzania we had to go to the police station on our bikes and give the police lifts to where they needed to go as they had zero mode of transport, if we got held up 10km out of town there would be no help coming for us.. it is a very scary thought.

So now bikers will have to use Tour operators and travel in groups which will put a load of pressure on them to ensure their clients saftey.. a kidnapping would be the end of a bike tour companies business.

The seriousness of this event is still to be realised.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: cloudgazer on November 28, 2011, 12:41:46 pm
That is Kak for the dude an his family. Hope it turns out ok.
But is this bad news for all bikers telling through Africa?
Not yet me thinks

There's a reason most travelers stick to eastern Africa. It's safer
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 28, 2011, 02:34:51 pm
The problem is that if bikers are seen to become soft targets while travelling solo through Africa it will spread like wild fire as the police force in many of these countries are pretty flimsy at best. When my mates tank bag got stolen in Tanzania we had to go to the police station on our bikes and give the police lifts to where they needed to go as they had zero mode of transport, if we got held up 10km out of town there would be no help coming for us.. it is a very scary thought.

So now bikers will have to use Tour operators and travel in groups which will put a load of pressure on them to ensure their clients saftey.. a kidnapping would be the end of a bike tour companies business.

The seriousness of this event is still to be realised.

A lot of people will just stop riding, the tourism will diminsh and these countries will backlside into the back waters again, like the DRC, Central african republic, Somalia and others. When that happens it will be a good time for a bike ride, because the locals will no be expecting anyone to be coming along and therefore will not be prepared.

So I think it will be a cyclical thing.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: White Rhino on November 28, 2011, 02:38:53 pm
The problem is that if bikers are seen to become soft targets while travelling solo through Africa it will spread like wild fire as the police force in many of these countries are pretty flimsy at best. When my mates tank bag got stolen in Tanzania we had to go to the police station on our bikes and give the police lifts to where they needed to go as they had zero mode of transport, if we got held up 10km out of town there would be no help coming for us.. it is a very scary thought.

So now bikers will have to use Tour operators and travel in groups which will put a load of pressure on them to ensure their clients saftey.. a kidnapping would be the end of a bike tour companies business.

The seriousness of this event is still to be realised.

A lot of people will just stop riding, the tourism will diminsh and these countries will backlside into the back waters again, like the DRC, Central african republic, Somalia and others. When that happens it will be a good time for a bike ride, because the locals will no be expecting anyone to be coming along and therefore will not be prepared.

So I think it will be a cyclical thing.

Agree BB, however it's the regressive spells between the cycles that is devastating.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: JonW on November 28, 2011, 02:41:52 pm
Sorry to disagree with you all, but I reckon travelling through Mali on a bike is probably a lot safer than driving around Joburg after dark.

Obviously this is a really kak thing to happen for the biker and his family, but it seems to me like it is a very isolated incident. Was chatting to a mate whose sone is currently on contract in Mali and his son reckons it is completely safe up there.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Geotraveller on November 28, 2011, 02:53:39 pm
Tough luck for the guys but it's not a new thing. british mate of mine had his landrower seized in Mauritania in 1995, got to Timbuktu in his skiddies and a toothbrush, French bud of mine spent time in a tjoekie on the Sudanese border for some infraction (1996). He was trying to drive an old bread delivery van to Vic Falls

I have spent time in some really remote spots in the DRC and some other African Countries (30 km from the Ivory Coast Border, they were kidnapping kids from the village we lived in) and mostly only a few (2 - 4 expats) and have had k@k but in limited doses.

Be aware of what is going on and get out in time, tune that radar. 
An African trip is still my dream
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: White Rhino on November 28, 2011, 02:53:50 pm
Sorry to disagree with you all, but I reckon travelling through Mali on a bike is probably a lot safer than driving around Joburg after dark.

Obviously this is a really kak thing to happen for the biker and his family, but it seems to me like it is a very isolated incident. Was chatting to a mate whose sone is currently on contract in Mali and his son reckons it is completely safe up there.

Maybe, but market perception counts for a lot. If the international community gets the shits, tourism declines - that's a fact.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: RobC on November 28, 2011, 02:55:00 pm
Was chatting to a mate whose sone is currently on contract in Mali and his son reckons it is completely safe up there.
Heard the opposite on Thursday... KPMG does contracting work there and is planning to withdraw all their workers as it is becoming more and more unsafe.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Offside on November 28, 2011, 03:04:56 pm
Sad to hear about this especially as we are leaving for Kenya next week.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: tok-tokkie on November 28, 2011, 05:26:17 pm
It had nothing to do with him being a biker.  Four random people were abducted from a restuarant. One of them happened to be a biker but it had nothing to do with it.

@Subie.  It is not just the bleeding heart Westeners who are aiding Mali.  South Africa is sorting out the preservation of the library of Islamic scrolls in the Timbuctoo museum.  So you yourself are assisting that country & the Muslim component.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: KTMaster on November 28, 2011, 05:37:05 pm
And why do you think ASO decided to pull the plug on the Dakar in Africa?

On the other hand, there's always been bandits running in some regions of Mali, but a lot of them are now being sponsored by Islamists.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: ChrisMann on November 28, 2011, 09:46:32 pm
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/travel-advice-by-country/sub-saharan-africa/mali

•On 25 November 2011, a group of tourists were reported to have been attacked in Tombouctou.  One is believed to have been killed and three others kidnapped.
 •On 24 November 2011, two French nationals were reported to have been kidnapped from a hotel in the town of Hombori, to the north east of Mopti.
 •On 23 October 2011, two Spanish national and one Italian national were kidnapped from a refugee camp near the town of Tindouf in the province of Tindouf in the west of Algeria, near the borders of Morocco, Western Sahara and Mauritania.
 •On 19 April the Embassy of France in Bamako (Mali) alerted its nationals of a “very high risk” of being kidnapped in Mali and Niger particularly between the city of Mopti and the border with Burkina Faso.
 •On 4 February 2011 an Italian national was kidnapped in south-eastern Algeria near the city of Djanet, for which AQ-M have claimed responsibility.
 •On 8 January 2011, French authorities confirmed that two French nationals kidnapped from Niamey, in Niger, had been killed near the border with Mali.
 •On 5 January 2011 the French Embassy in Bamako was attacked by an individual using explosives and a handgun.
 •On 16 September 2010, five French nationals were kidnapped in the town of Arlit in Niger.
 •On 26 July 2010 the French government confirmed that French national Michel Germaneau, who was kidnapped on 22 April near Arlit in north-western Niger, had been murdered.
 •On 28 December 2009, a group of Saudi Arabian nationals were attacked near the village of Djambala in Niger, close to the Mali border.  Four of the group died in this attack.
 
•On 18 December 2009 an Italian couple were kidnapped by an armed group in south eastern Mauritania 18 km east of Kobonni on the road to Mali.
 •On 29 November 2009 three Spanish nationals were kidnapped whilst travelling in a convoy on the road from Nouakchott, the capital of Mauritania, to the northern city of Nouadhibou.
 •On 25 November 2009 a French national was kidnapped near the city of Gao in Eastern Mali.
 
•On November 14, 2009, there was an attempted kidnap in Tahoua, Niger, by heavily armed individuals against employees of the American Embassy.
 
•A group of European tourists were kidnapped in the area of the Mali-Niger border on 22 January 2009. A British national who was part of this group was later murdered.
 
•On 14 December 2008 two Canadian diplomats were kidnapped 25 miles outside of Niamey and held in Mali.
 
There is a high threat from terrorism in Mali. Between 2003 and 2008 dozens of tourists were kidnapped.

We advise against all travel to the northern provinces of Mali. This includes the provinces of Kidal, Gao, Koulikoro (north of Mourdiah), Ségou (north of Niono), Tombouctou (including the city of Tombouctou (Timbuktu)), Mopti, and areas bordering Mauritania east of Nioro in the Kayes province.
 
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: landieman on November 28, 2011, 10:45:01 pm
this place is fuc#ed. >:(
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 28, 2011, 10:49:32 pm
It is in a sense part of what has always made travel through the dark continent exciting. In days gone past they would stew you in a driepoot, now they kidnap you.
I am still going to travel all around Africa.
Maar ek moet nou eers spaar vir die Amageza.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: White Rhino on November 29, 2011, 05:02:29 am
It is in a sense part of what has always made travel through the dark continent exciting. In days gone past they would stew you in a driepoot, now they kidnap you.
I am still going to travel all around Africa.
Maar ek moet nou eers spaar vir die Amageza.

I agree Dan, it's the element of the unknown that makes exploring Africa exciting. I'm not sure that a random threat to ones life qualifies as Adventure riding. Most people (riders) can handle hardships of a minor sort but death or hostage ransom payments quickly turns fun into a nightmare - not only for you but your entire family.

Don't know about you but I draw the line where the nightmare starts.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: terminator1 on November 29, 2011, 05:04:14 am
That is Kak for the dude an his family. Hope it turns out ok.
But is this bad news for all bikers telling through Africa?
Not yet me thinks

There's a reason most travelers stick to eastern Africa. It's safer

yep
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Goose on December 01, 2011, 10:31:39 am
Seriously upset about this ffs....

Actually thought it was 2 chaps that are doing a trip back to SA............

http://pikipikisafari.net/

I see according to their website - there's a GPS checkin: (shows that they were in Accra, Ghana) so hopefully not them!

pikipikisafari
ESN : 0-8162580
Type : Check in/OK
Latitude : 5.58499
Longitude : -0.09393
Time : 29 November 2011 04:30:09 PM

according to their blog they could well have run into these okes that were abducted.....


sad day for biking in Africa........strongs to family!
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Fudmucker on December 01, 2011, 08:32:16 pm
Wait and see what happens when the US and UK go in and bomb Iran...  :eek7:
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Goose on December 01, 2011, 09:07:25 pm
Wait and see what happens when the US and UK go in and bomb Iran...  :eek7:


don't joke 0 they are fooked enough to do it!  The Iranians were given 48hrs to leave the embassy in London yesterday..... :-\
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Fudmucker on December 02, 2011, 05:01:58 am
Wait and see what happens when the US and UK go in and bomb Iran...  :eek7:
don't joke 0 they are fooked enough to do it!  The Iranians were given 48hrs to leave the embassy in London yesterday..... :-\

I wasn't joking !
I think it is coming soon.
They'll bomb everything to do with Iran's nuclear program.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Dirty Des on December 02, 2011, 11:56:42 am
This article was posted on News 24 this morning, lets hope the guys are still alive and come home safely. A bit worrying as we work in that part of the world, mostly in rural agricultural areas!


Mali believes SA man still alive
2011-12-02    7:27

Dakar - Mali says it believes the South African and four other Westerners kidnapped in that country are still alive and it is doing all it can to free them.

A South African, a Dutchman and a Swede were abducted in the historic trading town of Timbuktu. A German citizen who resisted, was killed.

In a separate incident, two Frenchmen were kidnapped from a hotel.

Asked on France 24 television, whether he knew if the five were still alive, Foreign Minister Soumeylou Boubeye Maiga replied: "We think so, yes. ... For us the main priority is to rescue the hostages alive, using all possible means."

Boubeye Maiga did not confirm whether forces from former colonial master France were directly involved on the ground in search efforts, saying only there was co-operation between the two countries.

Mali said on Wednesday it had tightened security in its cities including the capital Bamako after the abductions.

Mali has been criticised by neighbours and Western partners for not doing enough to tackle bandits, local al-Qaeda agents and other groups operating in the vast Sahel region straddling Niger, Mauritania, Algeria and Mali.

Though it was still not clear who was responsible for the kidnappings, al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) has in the past claimed responsibility for similar abductions.

Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: JamesXRV on December 02, 2011, 12:34:42 pm
This short sightedness of a small group of people looking for instant moolah in their pockets having no regard for others or the greater economic future of a country/continent, is just plain faarked up.

Tourism is the one long term thing that can keep the poorer countries (ourselves included) on the boil...killing tourism is suicide. Sad thing is it's starting to become more of a problem here too...

Anyway, thoughts and prayers are with the kidnapped and their families.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Rodlau on May 04, 2012, 09:15:13 am
Does anyone know what the final outcome was for these guys?  Have they been released?
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: JC on May 04, 2012, 09:19:56 am
not released  and the SA guy also has UK passport and the bad guys now know this. they now want the UK to release someone in exchange for this guy. the UK does not talk to terrorists, so it doesn't look too good at the moment.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Crossed-up on May 04, 2012, 12:05:28 pm
With all the sh!t going on there at the moment it doesn't look good for a good or speedy ending.  I really hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Geriatrix on May 04, 2012, 12:06:17 pm
This is not about money, but for political gain.
These people are in big trouble, but lets hope that the powers behind the scenes will succeed.

BTW the Islamic libraries of West Africa are of world importance, not just for the local Islamists.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on May 04, 2012, 12:44:39 pm
The sad reality is that these things can take years to resolve, there was a guy recently who escaped or was freed from captivity after something like 8 years.. freking scary.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Fudmucker on May 04, 2012, 03:31:31 pm
That is Kak for the dude an his family. Hope it turns out ok.
But is this bad news for all bikers telling through Africa?
Not yet me thinks

There's a reason most travelers stick to eastern Africa. It's safer

Except for Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Chad, Libya...  ::)
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Goose on May 04, 2012, 07:24:37 pm
That is Kak for the dude an his family. Hope it turns out ok.
But is this bad news for all bikers telling through Africa?
Not yet me thinks

There's a reason most travelers stick to eastern Africa. It's safer

Except for Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Chad, Libya...  ::)

I'd say South America's cheaper & safer....   :peepwall:
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: bonova on May 04, 2012, 10:06:59 pm
Scary Man  >:(
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: RobC on May 05, 2012, 10:49:13 am

I'd say South America's cheaper & safer....   :peepwall:
Hence the Dakar move... :mwink:

Hope this gets resolved without bloodshed.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: EssBee on May 05, 2012, 03:01:27 pm
Oh boy this is so sad! I cannot comprehend how traumatic it must be for them, aswell as their loved ones back home.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: TornadoF5 on May 08, 2012, 06:10:53 pm
I see his name is Stephen Malcomb anyone know him?
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 08, 2012, 07:06:29 pm
Its a bit of a kak situation, especially now that the Malian government is toast.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: JC on May 08, 2012, 07:10:39 pm
I see his name is Stephen Malcomb anyone know him?

a colleague knows his wife  :'(  this is really a bad situation
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Chrissie B on May 08, 2012, 11:48:14 pm

Africa is not for sissies they say!

This does make me worry about Jo Rust... travelling as a female alone around Africa is very risky, but also soooo exciting!

I do hope they manage to find these guys alive, I cannot imagine how their families must be feeling!
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Rodlau on July 05, 2012, 06:00:37 pm
I heard, and stress this may be hearsay and without substance, that some hostages were executed in Mali.  Does anyone have any factual info, and in particular about this biker?
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Crossed-up on July 05, 2012, 06:16:45 pm
Thanks for waking this thread up.  I frequently think of this poor guy and what he must be going through.  It seems that there's simply no-one to help him - at least publicly. 
No-one knows what is going on in Mali.  It used to be such a steady and safe place but the Libyan conflict destabilised the whole area.  Now it's the Wild West.  The only law is the law of the gun it seems.  I feel for the thousands whose ordinary lives are disrupted by all these bandits, thieves, thugs and zealots.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: Rodlau on July 05, 2012, 06:54:08 pm
I have just Googled his name and got this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/9235646/Al-Qaeda-will-free-British-hostage-if-Abu-Qatada-can-go-where-he-wants.html

I really feel for these guys and their families.
Title: Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 05, 2012, 07:58:47 pm
Thats tough. I wonder when or if the SAS will go in to get them out.
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Post by: Teapot on July 05, 2012, 09:18:43 pm
This is shocking!!!

I hope JoRust is going to be ok.
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Post by: lecap on July 06, 2012, 06:51:21 am
That is Kak for the dude an his family. Hope it turns out ok.
But is this bad news for all bikers telling through Africa?
Not yet me thinks

There's a reason most travelers stick to eastern Africa. It's safer

Except for Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Chad, Libya...  ::)

I'd say South America's cheaper & safer....   :peepwall:

Definitely! they only take a kidney and dump you on the side of the road :evil6:
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 07, 2012, 04:34:26 pm
That is Kak for the dude an his family. Hope it turns out ok.
But is this bad news for all bikers telling through Africa?
Not yet me thinks

There's a reason most travelers stick to eastern Africa. It's safer

Except for Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Chad, Libya...  ::)

I'd say South America's cheaper & safer....   :peepwall:

Definitely! they only take a kidney and dump you on the side of the road :evil6:


;D Not that bad, seriously. You have been watching too much news again.

Its really not a good idea to get involved with the narcotics peeps though, because then you are looking to lose a kidney, maybe a liver too! 

South Africans are known for being drug smugglers in these parts, so we are generally red flagged by interpol on coming in. But I digress.
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Post by: GOBBWD on July 08, 2012, 12:40:35 pm
I would really like to take a round the world trip. But with all the shit at African border crossings, and the violence and utter lack of respect for life is enough to make me just ship to the UK, and completely skip all of Africa. Just pull all the 1st world country support, and let Afrcia fall back into the anarchy it always has been in. Who needs all this shit?

I really hope that this works out well for the guys, but the fact that the animals shot the german for refusing to get in the truck, does not bode well. No respect for life at all!  >:(
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Post by: Mzee on July 08, 2012, 01:12:18 pm
What is the news?
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Post by: Kenisis on July 08, 2012, 02:01:41 pm
This is very Sad. He is being used a pawn for Al Qaeda. Now I dont know enough about Al Qaeda but if my memory serves me correctly they are the ones that Shorten people by a foot or a head rather!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4287750/Al-Qaeda-offers-to-swap-British-hostage-Stephen-Malcolm-for-hate-preacher-Abu-Qatada.html
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Post by: Odd Dog on July 08, 2012, 09:18:08 pm
I would really like to take a round the world trip. But with all the shit at African border crossings, and the violence and utter lack of respect for life is enough to make me just ship to the UK, and completely skip all of Africa. Just pull all the 1st world country support, and let Afrcia fall back into the anarchy it always has been in. Who needs all this shit?

I really hope that this works out well for the guys, but the fact that the animals shot the german for refusing to get in the truck, does not bode well. No respect for life at all!  >:(

I share the same sentiment, if I was planning a world trip I'd start in either Aussie or USA.
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Post by: pietpetoors on July 08, 2012, 10:04:28 pm
Quote
I would really like to take a round the world trip. But with all the shit at African border crossings, and the violence and utter lack of respect for life is enough to make me just ship to the UK, and completely skip all of Africa. Just pull all the 1st world country support, and let Afrcia fall back into the anarchy it always has been in. Who needs all this shit?

I really hope that this works out well for the guys, but the fact that the animals shot the german for refusing to get in the truck, does not bode well. No respect for life at all! 

I share your sentiment GOBBWD, traveling through Africa was always a dream, but now I feel the same as you.
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Post by: bronzy on July 10, 2012, 05:02:57 pm
Africa is a shit hole won't travel north africa if it was for free !!!
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Post by: Cracker on July 10, 2012, 05:10:18 pm
funny, that's a dream for me .....   :thumleft:

I love this shit hole - don't wanna be anywhere else - just yet
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Post by: cloudgazer on July 10, 2012, 05:12:50 pm
I would really like to take a round the world trip. But with all the shit at African border crossings, and the violence and utter lack of respect for life is enough to make me just ship to the UK, and completely skip all of Africa. Just pull all the 1st world country support, and let Afrcia fall back into the anarchy it always has been in. Who needs all this shit?


I think border crossing as south africans is pretty easy in Africa as there are mnay countries that don't require a visa.
Same with south america.

I pity a south african trying to do a Long Way Round type route with all the visa issues they'll encounter
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Post by: TVB on July 10, 2012, 05:33:09 pm
Real sad but this things happens unfortunately, even way more often do people get kidnaped and loos there lives in South Africa. You really think Africa is a 'shit hole'? Well tell you something, Africa won't miss you. For all the other Africa lovers (''I dreamed about Africa etc.) welcome, life your dream. Africa has a lot to offer - the scenery and different livestyles etc. Words can never capture it, nor can pictures. You either love or you don't. I do :thumleft:

I have been working and living here for years - even in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes I can die tomorrow, same for SA - My changes of being kidnaped in SA is far greater than here. I have been hijacked in SA, I have been robbed (although a zulu friend helped me to chase the guy down) and I have seen a lot of murder scenes and pain in SA - Remember I worked for 15 Years as a EMS (fireman/medic) in SA.

Don't let this stand in your way of living your dream.....don't let anything stand in your way. There are a few basic rule in Africa, in the Middle East and everywhere. If you live by that you got a way better change of surviving. The biggest mistake you can make in most African Countries is to drink in a publick place where starngers come and go. If you want to enjoy a drink, try to do it with friends in a safe place...you make yourself vunrable. I do not say this is/was relevant to what happened to these poor guys, I hope they were just captured and will be released alive....may their families find strengh to deal with this
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Post by: Geotraveller on July 11, 2012, 03:41:09 pm
I like your sentiments TVB. Been working in Africa since 2004 and have had some tight scrapes but no worse that what Johannesburg can throw at you. Bronzey and all of his ilk can maar go to "safe" places like Australia or where ever they choose and realise that it's no better there.

I feel for the guys and families this was started about, sometimes you are in the wrong place.
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Post by: Kenisis on July 11, 2012, 07:37:06 pm
Hi there Guys.

Living your life by the "What If" or by Risk assesments would mean that none of us Ride our bikes let alone go on our Adventures.

People get killed every day falling down stairs, hell people die every year from putting on new shirts and the gaff themselves with a pin that they did not find in the shirt. I know its sad that i know that there is a stat for that.


What I would love to know is how many tourists or travellers there are in Africa versus the amount of Abductions/Kidnappings there are. I reckon it would be a fraction of a fraction of a percent.
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Post by: Geotraveller on July 11, 2012, 07:57:42 pm
Hi there Guys.

Living your life by the "What If" or by Risk assesments would mean that none of us Ride our bikes let alone go on our Adventures.

People get killed every day falling down stairs, hell people die every year from putting on new shirts and the gaff themselves with a pin that they did not find in the shirt. I know its sad that i know that there is a stat for that.


What I would love to know is how many tourists or travellers there are in Africa versus the amount of Abductions/Kidnappings there are. I reckon it would be a fraction of a fraction of a percent.

Good point. I reckon the expat community in Monrovia is in the 100's currently with starry eyed peace Corps girlies living alone in some villages and little to no hassles. Travel is fraught with danger but if you have one iota of adventure in you, you would not hesitate. I say go for it
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Post by: jorust on July 11, 2012, 11:48:14 pm
This topic just caught my attention, for obvious reasons. As I am typing this I am sitting in Mali (Bamako).
I really feel for the individuals who have been taken and the trauma both they and their families have to endure.
I had to make a decision when I reached Abidjan (Cote D'Ivoire) two weeks ago. Options: Gun it through Liberia to Sierra Leone and onward (though I had been strongly advised against going through Liberia), or take a boat to Dakar (there are only cargo ships running this route) or gun it through Mali. I could also have gone through Guinea but numerous people advised me of unrest in the West of Cote D'Ivoire.

So ultimately I decided on riding through Mali and onward to Senegal.
I arrived here in Bamako late last night. I have met locals who have had to flee from the North (Timbuktu) with their families because of the current situation up there.

I have only been in Mali for two days now and from what I have experienced so far, the South is peaceful with no signs of unrest. Here's hoping that the situation up North doesn't spill over to the South. It's a beautiful country and the people are friendly and welcoming. I was only meant to stay in Bamako for one night but will now spend the rest of the week.

I guess it's a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time for these people.

I sincerely hope that the people who have been taken will be released without being harmed.

I'll give a full report on my experiences in my Ride Report once in Dakar (Senegal) next week: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=95770.0
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Post by: TVB on July 12, 2012, 05:19:22 am
Way to go Jorust!! Have fun!!  :laughing4:
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Post by: Mark Hardy on July 12, 2012, 04:51:46 pm
Way to go Jorust!! Have fun!!  :laughing4:

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 12, 2012, 05:16:20 pm
Way to go Jorust!! Have fun!!  :laughing4:

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

Fixed.

Looking forward to your rr, jorust. :thumleft:
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Post by: Offside on July 12, 2012, 05:45:03 pm
Well said Jo
You are living my and my wife's dream.
If we never get to live it, it will be for financial or health reasons, not due to a fear of kidnapping.
I've suffered more violence and risk in my home town than I have ever experienced on trips into Africa.

AFRICA AINT NO SHIT HOLE
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Post by: schalk vd merwe on July 14, 2012, 02:05:06 pm
Well said Jo
You are living my and my wife's dream.
If we never get to live it, it will be for financial or health reasons, not due to a fear of kidnapping.
I've suffered more violence and risk in my home town than I have ever experienced on trips into Africa.

AFRICA AINT NO SHIT HOLE
Ditto
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Post by: Crossed-up on July 17, 2012, 03:48:30 pm
From News24 http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/SA-man-held-hostage-in-Mali-healthy-20120717


A South African man being held hostage in Mali is safe, according to a video posted on YouTube, Beeld newspaper reported on Tuesday.  Stephen Malcolm McGown said in the message on the website that he was healthy and being treated well. He said he was being held by al-Qaeda. 

In the footage, McGown and another hostage, Johan Gustafsson, of Sweden, are holding letters dated January 28, with four armed men standing behind them.  The men were taken hostage with Sjaak Rijke, of the Netherlands, last year.

Beeld said al-Qaeda in North Africa was demanding that Britain releases one of its members to an Arabic country in Africa, instead of to Jordania.  If the demand was not met, al-Qaeda has reportedly said that McGown, who also has British citizenship, would be killed

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Post by: TVB on July 17, 2012, 03:58:57 pm
It is a very sad situation. Would be interesting to see how the British react on this. The US already made a clear statement that they do not exchange prisoners for hostages. The Israelis however do....They have recently exchanged 30 prisoners for 2 Israeli citizens. Real sad....hope there will be a way
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Post by: jorust on July 17, 2012, 04:02:05 pm
We received news about the video this morning. Was about to ask if anyone has seen or read anything about it. Can't access Youtube here. I'm still in Mali, but in the west - right on the Senegalese border. Visiting a bunch of fellow South Africans on a mine here.
Here's hoping they'll be released soon, unharmed. (one has to remain optimistic about these things...what else is there to do)
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 17, 2012, 05:28:13 pm
Keep your head down jorust!
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Post by: White Rhino on July 18, 2012, 06:41:42 am
Keep your head down jorust!

.... and your spirits up :imaposer:
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Post by: TVB on July 18, 2012, 06:43:25 am
Keep your head down jorust!

.... and your spirits up :imaposer:

Ye these guys hate alcohol - ride with a bottle of whiskey on your Handle bar
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Post by: jorust on July 18, 2012, 02:09:53 pm
Seriaaas??? Does it work the same way as garlic for vampires??? I'm SO strapping booze all over my bike!!!  :imaposer:
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Post by: White Rhino on July 18, 2012, 02:32:39 pm
Seriaaas??? Does it work the same way as garlic for vampires??? I'm SO strapping booze all over my bike!!!  :imaposer:

:imaposer: - Booze cruise around Africa :laughing4:
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Post by: TVB on July 18, 2012, 03:22:53 pm
Seriaaas??? Does it work the same way as garlic for vampires??? I'm SO strapping booze all over my bike!!!  :imaposer:

:imaposer: - Booze cruise around Africa :laughing4:

Yes and now you even have a nice title for the book you are going to write for us. We already have a 'kinky' 'Warm' Afrikaans roman in the making :spitcoffee:
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Post by: jorust on July 18, 2012, 03:25:59 pm
Seriaaas??? Does it work the same way as garlic for vampires??? I'm SO strapping booze all over my bike!!!  :imaposer:

:imaposer: - Booze cruise around Africa :laughing4:

Yes and now you even have a nice title for the book you are going to write for us. We already have a 'kinky' 'Warm' Afrikaans roman in the making :spitcoffee:

HKGK!!!  :mwink:
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Post by: Crossed-up on September 17, 2013, 08:30:04 am
News24 reports that "Stephen Malcolm" is still alive and being held hostage.  Let's hope for a good outcome.
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Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on September 17, 2013, 09:07:56 am
Very interestingly I met a Zimbabwean in JHB and he was telling me that his church prays for the hostages every meeting they have and that they are doing everything they can by lobbying political groups to get involved in the negotiation of their release.
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Post by: silvrav on September 17, 2013, 09:22:27 am
wow, nearly 2 years later.....Where is the old time rekkies,,,,,why cant this be resolved like it use to be...
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Post by: Offshore on September 17, 2013, 09:40:30 am
Hope this turns out well. Hell, I really feel for this Person.
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Post by: EssBee on September 18, 2013, 12:24:32 pm
+1....I can't begin to imagine how horrible, how traumatic this must be for them.
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Post by: Goose on September 18, 2013, 04:17:47 pm
News24 reports that "Stephen Malcolm" is still alive and being held hostage.  Let's hope for a good outcome.

I was also wondering what has happened with Stephen .... Hope he retains faith and that it works out well in the end
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Post by: Gene on September 18, 2013, 04:23:25 pm
Is these people there for 10 months now?! i cannot believe it,really upsetting....
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Post by: Teapot on September 18, 2013, 04:48:41 pm
Hope they get released soon and home for Christmas. Really upsetting this.

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Post by: Crossed-up on September 18, 2013, 06:04:31 pm
He's in my thoughts a lot.  When I read about travellers passing through that region I think of him and the other hostages.  With every atrocity that takes place in Nigeria, Niger and Mali, I worry about their safety.  I hope that by now he has a rapport with his captors and that they're reluctant to kill him.

His only hope is that he retains some sort of value to his captors.  If he was a local he'd have been dead a very long time ago.

By now the intelligence networks probably know exactly where he is but won't do anything to help as there are bigger issues.  A stalemate until there is a shift in the relations of power.

Have you read the ride report by 2 Italian-Australian brothers who rode from Cape Town through the DRC Nigeria, Niger and Algeria and then on through Siberia to Magadan?  It's a great read and they paint a telling picture of the situation in the Sahel in 2010.  It's up there with Colebatch and Metaljockey.

www.donkeyandthemule.com.au (http://www.donkeyandthemule.com.au)




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Post by: Ratt on September 18, 2013, 06:44:49 pm
wow, nearly 2 years later.....Where is the old time rekkies,,,,,why cant this be resolved like it use to be...

+1

Wtf
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Post by: Draadtang on September 23, 2013, 10:12:53 am
wow, nearly 2 years later.....Where is the old time rekkies,,,,,why cant this be resolved like it use to be...

+1

Wtf
The most of Africa is turning in to shit just look how it,s going at the border posts :dousing:
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Post by: Teapot on September 26, 2013, 12:33:04 pm
Now travelers better be careful in Kenya and Somalia. Terrorists are such cowards. War should be like in the old days of frontline battle. To sides pick a spot and go head to head and shoot and bomb the crap out of each other.
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Post by: Crossed-up on December 02, 2015, 06:34:41 pm
How great to hear the Stephen is still alive and well! There is still hope.

Just over 4 years since his kidnapping!
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Post by: TornadoF5 on December 03, 2015, 06:54:11 am
Ja saw his video on news 24 yesterday . Seems brainwashed  (Stockholm syndrome) into his situation which is understandable.
Hoping in faith he is released soon.
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Post by: 1ougat on December 07, 2015, 06:35:21 am
Very sad indeed ... and the chance of the Dakar returning to Africa zero  :( :( :(
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Post by: TornadoF5 on June 20, 2016, 10:23:22 am
Sadly appears he has become a distant memory for most, except his family I'm sure. Anyone heard any further recent news on Stephen? Keep the man in your prayers!

national 12.1.2016 11:15 am
(https://www.issafrica.org/images/img_nodes/29-06-2015-Kidnappings-Mali-ContentA.jpg)

An image grab taken from an undated video released by Al-Andalus Media Production/Shara Branch, a media branch for al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), on June 21, 2015, allegedly shows hostages Johan Gustafson (L) of Sweden and Stephan McGowan of South Africa, who were kidnapped in Mali's northern city of Timbuktu in 2011, speaking with their captors on camera at an unknown location in Mali. AFP PHOTO / HO / AL-ANDALUS MEDIA PRODUCTION / AFP / Al-Andalus / HO

This follows last month’s video, in which McGown and Gustafsson told their families they were well.

Talks with “influential people” with close ties to al-Qaeda hostage takers of South African Stephen McGown and Swede Johan Gustafsson – captured in Mali in 2011 – are expected to take place this week.

This is according to humanitarian organisation Gift of the Givers (GOTG), who is facilitating negotiations for their release. GOTG founder Imtiaz Sooliman said the talks between its negotiators in Mali and the groups may even take place today. This follows a video released in early December last year, in which McGown and Gustafsson relay to their families that they were well.

Sooliman said the organisation who posted the video release were dealing with the “influential people” and had made it clear no money from the government or families could be paid to al-Qaeda.

“We said upfront that the people captured are ordinary citizens and that the governments do not pay. They haven’t asked for money since,” Sooliman said, adding this was a positive sign. Ransom money was often used for weapons, he said. However, part of the money also went to cover the cost of the hostages, including their food, transport and medical care. “It has become a business.”

Following the video release, McGown’s parents told The Citizen they were positive their son would be home for Christmas. “I’m telling you that he will be home for Christmas,” Stephen’s mother, Beverly, said. His father, Malcolm, said: “We are over the moon. We are so happy and thrilled – especially since he looks well. He looks like they are taking care of him.”

McGown, who is married to Cathy, had planned to come home and start a family at the time he was captured. But he wanted one last adventure and decided to travel through Africa by motorbike. He was seized by al-Qaeda members during a coup in Timbuktu in Mali.

One German national was killed. One of the hostages, Dutchman Sjaak Rijke, was freed in April by French Special Forces during a desert operation near Tessalit, northern Mali.

– yadhanaj@citizen.co.za
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Post by: Airguitar on June 21, 2016, 05:09:17 am
Still no movement on this sad case.
I'm constantly thinking of this guy and praying for his endurance and eventual release.
Things like this make me feel quite helpless and angry.
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Post by: Bubby on June 26, 2017, 06:13:20 pm
Kidnapped Swede Johan Gustafsson freed after six years...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-40407620

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Post by: Crossed-up on June 26, 2017, 06:16:20 pm
There's hope - and I'm hanging onto it.
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Post by: Bundu on June 26, 2017, 07:19:13 pm
seems like bike-jacking could become a problem here

http://kemptonexpress.co.za/149338/the-bikers-who-hijacked-my-bike-wanted-to-kill-me-said-victim-2/
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Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 27, 2017, 12:25:42 pm
I see the Swede Johan Gustafsson has been released.

But there is no comment on the fate of McGowan.
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Post by: Crossed-up on June 28, 2017, 07:00:36 pm
Good news from Steven McGowan's dad.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/south-african-held-by-al-qaeda-in-mali-is-well-father-20170628
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Post by: RobC on June 29, 2017, 11:12:01 am
and our government is doing so much to get him back... :sip:

Note to self... when you leave RSA you are on your own boet. :deal:
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Post by: Vansafrica on June 29, 2017, 03:12:29 pm
Holding Thumbs!


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Post by: Skaiidawg on July 01, 2017, 07:59:20 am
Good news, holding thumbs
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Post by: Riaande on August 03, 2017, 11:34:11 am
News 24 just announced that he has been released.
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Post by: Skaiidawg on August 03, 2017, 11:42:17 am
News 24 just announced that he has been released.
Link please

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Post by: Skaiidawg on August 03, 2017, 11:43:07 am


News 24 just announced that he has been released.
Link please
Good news indeed



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Post by: Riaande on August 03, 2017, 11:46:07 am
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/sa-hostage-in-mali-released-20170803

Glad this is having a happy ending.
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Post by: PJF on August 03, 2017, 11:47:09 am
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/sa-hostage-in-mali-released-20170803
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Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 03, 2017, 11:55:15 am
Very very good news.
Now he can come home and wash his bike :deal:
His father has kept his bike all dirty after receiving it back from there and kept dirty on purpose so that his son that he believed would come back can come clean it. :thumleft:
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Post by: Offshore on August 03, 2017, 11:57:54 am
Fantastic News.
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Post by: Dirty Boy on August 03, 2017, 12:19:10 pm
This is great news. Welcome home Stephen.

Sad news that his mom passed away before he got home.
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Post by: Mikie on August 03, 2017, 12:22:29 pm
How does this change a person, surely he will not return as the same person that left

Wouldnt Stockholm syndrome also kick in after so long?
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Post by: Dirty Boy on August 03, 2017, 12:28:35 pm
How does this change a person, surely he will not return as the same person that left

Wouldnt Stockholm syndrome also kick in after so long?

Only time will tell. I hope he gets professional help. No matter how well he was treated, there is still damage. I hope he can get work and throw himself into something that he wants to do. He may never want to go near a motorbike again ??
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Post by: Toothless on August 03, 2017, 12:44:41 pm
Great news. What a day this must be for his family!
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Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on August 03, 2017, 01:02:33 pm
...just heard the new on the radio - FANTASTIC news!


Welcome back - whew - now THAT was a 'journey'...
Chris
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Post by: Gene on August 03, 2017, 01:40:39 pm
From eyewitness news:

JOHANNESBURG – Gift of the Givers has confirmed that Al-Qaeda’s Mali branch has released South African hostage Stephen McGowan.

McGowan was abducted by al-Qaeda militants in 2011 along with Swiss national Johan Gustafson, who was released in July.

Swedish hostage Johan Gustafsson was released in June this year.

Gift of the Givers, which had been negotiating his release for six years now, has confirmed he's been freed.

The organisation’s Imtiaz Soolliman said: “Our government was talking to the people we were talking to in the last two to three weeks.

"On 31 July in the afternoon, we got a message in French from the people that we were dealing with, saying congratulations and we knew that message meant Stephen McGowan is released.”


So this ends well for Stephen and his family after nearly 7 years,
thanks to all contributing to this thread, this is really such good news
Welcome back home Stephen
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Post by: Crossed-up on August 03, 2017, 02:03:27 pm
That's absolutely brilliant news!   I do hope Stephen can pick up the pieces of his life and move forward.
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Post by: landieman on August 03, 2017, 02:37:35 pm
Fantastic news!!!!!!so glad the guvmoent didn't stuff it up like they doing with the country
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 03, 2017, 10:28:37 pm
Wow, amazing.

There is a book story right there.
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Post by: Ruan 87 on August 04, 2017, 12:12:24 am
Baie goeie nuus!
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Post by: landieman on August 04, 2017, 05:39:03 am
read somewhere that something like $4,2 million was paid for his release
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Post by: Oubones on August 04, 2017, 05:48:58 am
Baie goeie nuus, ek is bly vir hom en sy familie.
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Post by: TornadoF5 on August 04, 2017, 07:06:23 am
Wow really glad he wasn't only remembered by his family and that there are still people that care.
Welcome home

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Post by: tulips on August 04, 2017, 08:30:25 am
Very Good News  :thumleft:
Like birdwatching and bike cleaning tales, adds a bit of human insight
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Post by: husky on August 04, 2017, 11:25:20 am
Great news and I hope he gets the help to fit back into freedom.
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Post by: Mikie on August 11, 2017, 08:19:23 am
First interview with Stephen

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-mali-hostage-stephenmcgown-tells-his-story-20170810-2

RECAP:

Stephen McGown, who has been freed after being held captive in Mali for almost 6 years, has spoken out about his ordeal.

McGown was originally set to address the media last week, a day after he was released, however, it was postponed following a review of his medical report. His sister from London arrived for the cherished family reunion.

Wearing a blue shirt and seated with his wife and father, McGown revealed that he is now a Muslim. He explained that after entering Islam, he was treated well. He added that he has a lot to still learn about the religion.

"I see a lot of good in Islam. It has taken me away from capitalism. People are more important than money."

News24 will bring you a detailed story.
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Post by: Mikie on August 11, 2017, 08:21:31 am
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Post by: RobC on August 11, 2017, 09:00:30 am
Glad he is home but he has Stockholm syndrome. Hope he gets a good therapist.
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Post by: J-dog on August 11, 2017, 09:01:21 am
Glad he is home but he has Stockholm syndrome. Hope he gets a good therapist.

that  :-\
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Post by: Mikie on August 11, 2017, 09:03:42 am
Brainwashed it seems to me
Even converted to Islam as well

Do any of you even think his marriage will last?
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Post by: Avontier on August 11, 2017, 09:17:53 am
Here's a silly conspiracy theory: Maybe Gift of the Givers uses bogus negotiations to legally export funds to terrorist organisations?  :pot:
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Post by: Geriatrix on August 11, 2017, 09:56:48 am
Here's a silly conspiracy theory: Maybe Gift of the Givers uses bogus negotiations to legally export funds to terrorist organisations?


NEVER. Never, ever! Shame on you for even thing that. May a thousand flea infest their armpits for that.
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Post by: RobC on August 11, 2017, 10:06:22 am
Here's a silly conspiracy theory: Maybe Gift of the Givers uses bogus negotiations to legally export funds to terrorist organisations?


NEVER. Never, ever! Shame on you for even thing that. May a thousand flea infest their armpits for that.
:laughing4: :imaposer: many a truth said in jest they say... >:D
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Post by: tulips on August 11, 2017, 11:48:11 am
They (GOG) make contact and then negotiate.........
I often wonder if every now and then  a negotiator or contact is picked up by CIA Mossad etc  and has their thumbs screwed  a bit, collateral damage etc.
Its a Murky Clandestine world, no ways is someone going to walk around Mali making contact with terrorist organizations for free.

Anyone know if the Swede and Dutch Guy converted too ?
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Post by: katana on August 11, 2017, 01:33:27 pm
A all night jol at Teasers and a Wimpie breakfast in the morning will cure him.  I haven't converted, but might try this myself, in case.
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Post by: Dirty Boy on August 11, 2017, 01:41:14 pm
Brainwashed it seems to me
Even converted to Islam as well

Do any of you even think his marriage will last?

My thoughts exactly.

Anyway, moving on...what about his sister   ::)
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 11, 2017, 09:00:09 pm
Was thinking about that, and have to say if he did not "convert" he would have been chopped for sure. Its the way of islam. ::)

Sorry to say he is probably going to support the jihad against the west now.  :-\
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Post by: Crossed-up on December 29, 2017, 05:56:34 pm
Good article on the BBC today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/my_life_as_a_hostage_of_al_qaeda
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 30, 2017, 07:48:39 am
One wonders what would have happened had he not converted to Islam.  :-\
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Post by: Oubones on December 30, 2017, 08:37:37 am
One wonders what would have happened had he not converted to Islam.  :-\
I think it would not have had a good outcome.
I cannot help to wonder if he has truly converted or just did it for survival?
I am just glad that he is free and hope that he can adapt back to his "old" life without to much hassles.
I take my hat off to his wife, she is a good woman!
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Post by: Fudge on December 30, 2017, 08:44:23 am
One wonders what would have happened had he not converted to Islam.  :-\

By all accounts, he seems to have converted on his own accord six months into captivity, and as he stated, Sjaak and Johan also converted and they all noticed an immediate improvement in their treatment.
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Post by: Skaiidawg on December 31, 2017, 07:37:54 am
Sjaak and Johan also converted and they all noticed an immediate improvement in their treatment.
Johan said he only "converted" to survive

https://www.google.ae/amp/s/www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/636542/muslim-islam-mali-al-qaida-convert-johan-gustafsson-sweden-terrorist-sahara-desert/amp

https://www.google.ae/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/24/world/africa/sweden-mali-qaeda-gustafsson.amp.html

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Post by: Fudge on December 31, 2017, 07:47:29 am


Sjaak and Johan also converted and they all noticed an immediate improvement in their treatment.
Johan said he only "converted" to survive

https://www.google.ae/amp/s/www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/636542/muslim-islam-mali-al-qaida-convert-johan-gustafsson-sweden-terrorist-sahara-desert/amp

Perfectly reasonable under the circumstances. Point is, they were not forced to do so as has been assumed by some here.
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Post by: RobC on December 31, 2017, 01:09:17 pm


Sjaak and Johan also converted and they all noticed an immediate improvement in their treatment.
Johan said he only "converted" to survive

https://www.google.ae/amp/s/www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/636542/muslim-islam-mali-al-qaida-convert-johan-gustafsson-sweden-terrorist-sahara-desert/amp

Perfectly reasonable under the circumstances. Point is, they were not forced to do so as has been assumed by some here.
Coercion takes on many forms... the fact that their situation "improved" points out quite clearly that a threat was made however subtle. The fact remains islam is evil. Period. :deal:
Pussyfooting about that fact is what will make it florish even more. :sip:
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Post by: Fudge on December 31, 2017, 01:17:03 pm
Religious fundamentalism is evil, regardless of the doctrine is based on.
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Post by: RobC on December 31, 2017, 01:19:58 pm
Religious fundamentalism is evil, regardless of the doctrine is based on.
There you go... generalising again instead of focusing on the evil of islam as a doctrine to dominate the world. :deal:
Once you are able to distinguish the fact that it is not a religion but a doctrine you become enlightend and reach Nirvana... :snorting:
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Post by: Fudge on December 31, 2017, 01:40:27 pm
Well if you perceive Islam to be your enemy, should you not love them as your Holy Book instructs you to do?
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Post by: Welsh on December 31, 2017, 03:40:51 pm
Religious fundamentalism is evil, regardless of the doctrine is based on.

100% agree  :sip:
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Post by: Bubby on July 04, 2018, 03:55:44 pm
Former al-Qaeda prisoner Stephen McGowan has warned anyone traveling out of the country to remain vigilant and to trust no one.

https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/gauteng/trust-no-one-former-al-qaeda-hostage-mcgowans-warning-to-south-africans-15828674
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Post by: Brewed_Coffee on July 07, 2018, 05:22:37 pm
Religious fundamentalism is evil, regardless of the doctrine is based on.
There you go... generalising again instead of focusing on the evil of islam as a doctrine to dominate the world. :deal:
Once you are able to distinguish the fact that it is not a religion but a doctrine you become enlightend and reach Nirvana... :snorting:

…. and the "other side" will see Christianity in the same light.  Looking back in history the Christian church (as we know it today), partook in executions themselves …..

I agree with the notion that fundamentalism is evil -  in whatever form

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Post by: Fransw on July 07, 2018, 05:51:48 pm
What bike did he ride when he got kidnapped?
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Post by: Fransw on July 07, 2018, 06:07:13 pm
Golden rule number One! Never travel on a bling bling bike up in Africa! Big bikes like the GS, AT, etc attracts to much attention and you are looking for trouble...Fact!
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Post by: eberhard on July 07, 2018, 06:51:55 pm
Golden rule number One! Never travel on a bling bling bike up in Africa! Big bikes like the GS, AT, etc attracts to much attention and you are looking for trouble...Fact!

 :thumleft:

That is one of the reasons, besides reliability, resilience and repairability, why I travel in Africa on big bikes that are 40 to 50 year old. Never found one local showing a bit of commercial interest. A lot of them are awestruck. They are not that thick, they can identify an old machine when they see one and they can immediately figure out that it is not going to move on the black (no pun intended) market. They admire it, comment on it and keep their distances.

Besides, on those bling bling bikes they may think that you are part of a big, corporately sponsored, Hollywoodish set-up with lots and lots of dollars behind you and eager producers with a deadline angstfully waiting to get you back onto the production stage.

I cannot stress enough how important it is to stay low keyed, under the radar. Not only your bike, but also your latest designer clothes and electronic, satelite operated equipment, ray-ban Tom Cruise pilot sunglasses, etc. Loose it. Yet, if you are the only uncircumcised male in a 1000km radius, it can be problematic.
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Post by: Fransw on July 07, 2018, 07:19:16 pm
Golden rule number One! Never travel on a bling bling bike up in Africa! Big bikes like the GS, AT, etc attracts to much attention and you are looking for trouble...Fact!

 :thumleft:

That is one of the reasons, besides reliability, resilience and repairability, why I travel in Africa on big bikes that are 40 to 50 year old. Never found one local showing a bit of commercial interest. A lot of them are awestruck. They are not that thick, they can identify an old machine when they see one and they can immediately figure out that it is not going to move on the black (no pun intended) market. They admire it, comment on it and keep their distances.

Besides, on those bling bling bikes they may think that you are part of a big, corporately sponsored, Hollywoodish set-up with lots and lots of dollars behind you and eager producers with a deadline angstfully waiting to get you back onto the production stage.

I cannot stress enough how important it is to stay low keyed, under the radar. Not only your bike, but also your latest designer clothes and electronic, satelite operated equipment, ray-ban Tom Cruise pilot sunglasses, etc. Loose it. Yet, if you are the only uncircumcised male in a 1000km radius, it can be problematic.

..and you have a more pleasant experience at the end of the day! Its easier to approach the guys and the roadblocks/cops leave you alone. Look at this young oke on his crf250l travelling West Africa now. Man he's having a big jol! It would have been totally different and much more stressful if he was on 800gs or AT for example..

Good philosophy! :thumleft:
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Post by: Mikie on July 09, 2018, 08:25:08 am
Looks like an XT

(https://cs.mg.co.za/crop/content/images/2015/04/09/stephenmcgowanmali042mgonline.jpg/800x450/)