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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: Slaaiblaar on February 01, 2012, 12:41:20 am

Title: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Slaaiblaar on February 01, 2012, 12:41:20 am
Because I do not need to loose weight!!!!

Between these 3 models the 800GS can carry the biggest payload

Lets take the average SA male 100kg, (including beer boep) 115kg up to (exstra large beer boep) 130+kg
Average SA female 70kg (guesstimate)

Rider + pillion = 170KG (Ave SA)
Rider + pillion = 185KG (including beer boep)
Rider + pillion = 200KG (exstra large beer boep)

1200GS Max Payload 206kg
36kg left for luggage (Ave SA)
21kg left for luggage (including beer boep)
6kg left for luggage

1200GSA  Max Payload 216kg
46kg left for luggage (Ave SA)
31kg left for luggage (including beer boep)
16kg left for luggage (exstra large beer boep)

800GS Max Payload 236kg
66kg left for luggage (Ave SA)
51kg left for luggage (including beer boep)
36KG left for luggage (exstra large beer boep)

Now add the +/- 15kg for a set of panniers excl. brackets


Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Plaashaas on February 01, 2012, 05:16:52 am
Know about these facts still dont beleive it  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: King Louis on February 01, 2012, 06:54:26 am
Why didn't you buy a truck? :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Coala on February 01, 2012, 06:57:28 am
have both in our garage (ADV and 800).  ADV better at two-up touring - full stop.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: oo7 on February 01, 2012, 07:10:47 am
<sigh>

Now that you have compared the payload, howzabout you compare the engines/performance as well?

Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: KTM11 on February 01, 2012, 07:14:30 am
Why didn't you buy a truck? :biggrin:

 :laughing4: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 01, 2012, 07:14:49 am
I do not think that you can compare the 800 at all to ou grote in 2-up touring. The 1200's torque is the decider.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Oshkosh on February 01, 2012, 07:17:25 am
I do not think that you can compare the 800 at all to ou grote in 2-up touring. The 1200's torque is the decider.
2nd That  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Rynet on February 01, 2012, 07:25:18 am
Well good luck in finding a pillion willing to prove your theory, as the GS 800 must be the most uncomfortable bike to pillion (off -road)  :mwink:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Dwerg on February 01, 2012, 07:28:19 am
I don't think a couple that weigh 200kgs are going to be the active outdoorsy types
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: White Rhino on February 01, 2012, 07:31:46 am
What a load of kak. The GSA has hydrolic adjustable suspension - it maintains good clearance. A fully laden 800 with pillion and luggage sits lower than the 1200 - makes a big difference - We've bent the rear suspension bolt going through a dip at speed.  :o

The other big factor the GSA has lots more seating space - much more comfortable - ask my wife  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Pistol on February 01, 2012, 07:33:11 am
I don't think a couple that weigh 200kgs are going to be the active outdoorsy types

What you saying, me and the missus fat? Short one :mwink:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Battlestar on February 01, 2012, 07:42:10 am
I do not think that you can compare the 800 at all to ou grote in 2-up touring. The 1200's torque is the decider.
2nd That  :thumleft:
3rd That  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Dwerg on February 01, 2012, 07:48:50 am
I don't think a couple that weigh 200kgs are going to be the active outdoorsy types

What you saying, me and the missus fat? Short one :mwink:

No just you  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Slaaiblaar on February 01, 2012, 08:02:52 am
Torque...useless if subframe is bend and guarantee void because it was overloaded

Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Baches on February 01, 2012, 08:07:36 am
Nee wat die 1200 het baie meer krag !
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: dassie on February 01, 2012, 08:17:33 am
I think this is one of those cases like the claim that a land rover defender can managea bigger load than the land cruizer pickup (legal sense spoken). Aparently it has something to do with the braking power and the way Toyota registered the vehicle when it was patended.
 
Any way what a load of crap  :deal: . As a farmer, and driver of boath, i will sure as shit rather take a bigger load on the cruizer than on the landie. They are both great vehicles, but have diferent qualities.

I cant believe they would claim that the GS1200 have a lesser payload than the GS 800. But like i say, i think its one of those cases  ::) .
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Slaaiblaar on February 01, 2012, 08:27:27 am
What is the use off a comfy seat, torque, power, seat space if it can not take the load, do we just lad it like a taxi.....if there is space load it

Dwerg....van ons kan tenminste by di boonste kassies in die kombuis bykom sonder n stoeltjie......en ek en my vrou weeg 200kg saam (nie haar bydrae nie)
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Dwerg on February 01, 2012, 08:33:18 am
What is the use off a comfy seat, torque, power, seat space if it can not take the load, do we just lad it like a taxi.....if there is space load it

Dwerg....van ons kan tenminste by di boonste kassies in die kombuis bykom sonder n stoeltjie......en ek en my vrou weeg 200kg saam (nie haar bydrae nie)

Bliksem geen wonder niks van die 2e handse goed te koop op die site is ooit my size nie. Ek en my vrou is saam 130kg   :-\
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: GSLaaitie on February 01, 2012, 08:33:51 am
Nee moer. Die payload is maar net een van baie goed wat vir my belangrik is. Ek vat veel eerder minder goed saam op 'n GSA, sodat ek nie hoef te luister na 'n gemoan oor hoe ongeflippenmaklik die seat is nie! En die GSA het soveel krag, jy kom amper nie eers agter as jy 'n pillion gelaai het nie!
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: tau on February 01, 2012, 08:55:46 am
Well good luck in finding a pillion willing to prove your theory, as the GS 800 must be the most uncomfortable bike to pillion (off -road)  :mwink:

My wife did one trip on the 800 and never again. She will sit on the ADV all day long.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on February 01, 2012, 08:58:05 am
Gemak op die langpad en n 800 en 1200GSA hoort nie in dieselfde sin nie.
GSA staan darem kop en skouers bo die 800 uit maak nie saak wat die vrag weeg nie.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Slaaiblaar on February 01, 2012, 09:26:55 am
Well good luck in finding a pillion willing to prove your theory, as the GS 800 must be the most uncomfortable bike to pillion (off -road)  :mwink:

My wife did one trip on the 800 and never again. She will sit on the ADV all day long.

hoop jou bynaam is ADV..... ;D
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Eisbein on February 01, 2012, 09:36:31 am
I don't think a couple that weigh 200kgs are going to be the active outdoorsy types


Baviaans twice, the wild part of the Wilddcoast, Swaziland, couple of muddy backroads in the Eastern and Western Cape and a couple of others (of which the two significant ones were 3500 km to Rhodes and back and about 7000km 'round the country).

All on the 1100/1200 and us weighing in (together) at about 240kg (most of that obviously mine).

No I'm not proud, but you gots to think a little before you assume...

:)
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Dwerg on February 01, 2012, 09:38:51 am
I don't think a couple that weigh 200kgs are going to be the active outdoorsy types


Baviaans twice, the wild part of the Wilddcoast, Swaziland, couple of muddy backroads in the Eastern and Western Cape and a couple of others (of which the two significant ones were 3500 km to Rhodes and back and about 7000km 'round the country).

All on the 1100/1200 and us weighing in (together) at about 240kg (most of that obviously mine).

No I'm not proud, but you gots to think a little before you assume...

:)

Was just kidding around  ;)

Does the 240kgs include luggage?
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Eisbein on February 01, 2012, 09:39:36 am
Back to the issue at hand - there is just physically more space on the 1200s than on the smaller bikes.

Me and the wife fit on the 1200 with a tankbag and a topbox with space to spare.
On the smaller bikes either the tank sticks into mah belleh or the wife gets squeezed in between me and the topbox.

 
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Eisbein on February 01, 2012, 09:44:15 am
I don't think a couple that weigh 200kgs are going to be the active outdoorsy types


Baviaans twice, the wild part of the Wilddcoast, Swaziland, couple of muddy backroads in the Eastern and Western Cape and a couple of others (of which the two significant ones were 3500 km to Rhodes and back and about 7000km 'round the country).

All on the 1100/1200 and us weighing in (together) at about 240kg (most of that obviously mine).

No I'm not proud, but you gots to think a little before you assume...

:)

Was just kidding around  ;)

Does the 240kgs include luggage?

I figured
;D

Nope - that is excluding luggage.

I tried not to think about it too much, but us, the luggage and the 1100 was just about 500kg all up with a full tank.

Scary then to think that I sometimes (especially through Baviaans) bumped the front over a ditch or so, having all that weight effectively on the one wheel at the back over a bump or three with said wheel being held in place by a single swingarm.

:eek: :eek7:

But somehow it kept on working...


Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Gérrard on February 01, 2012, 09:46:11 am
Gee weer terugvoer wanneer jy volgelaai, met jou pillion getoer het, en hier en daar moes staan vir tegnies ry.  :eek7: Dis die laaste keer dat daai pillion saam jou toer op 'n F800.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Dwerg on February 01, 2012, 09:50:14 am
I don't think a couple that weigh 200kgs are going to be the active outdoorsy types


Baviaans twice, the wild part of the Wilddcoast, Swaziland, couple of muddy backroads in the Eastern and Western Cape and a couple of others (of which the two significant ones were 3500 km to Rhodes and back and about 7000km 'round the country).

All on the 1100/1200 and us weighing in (together) at about 240kg (most of that obviously mine).

No I'm not proud, but you gots to think a little before you assume...

:)

Was just kidding around  ;)

Does the 240kgs include luggage?

I figured
;D

Nope - that is excluding luggage.

I tried not to think about it too much, but us, the luggage and the 1100 was just about 500kg all up with a full tank.

Scary then to think that I sometimes (especially through Baviaans) bumped the front over a ditch or so, having all that weight effectively on the one wheel at the back over a bump or three with said wheel being held in place by a single swingarm.

:eek: :eek7:

But somehow it kept on working...




Not very many bikes that will handle that  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Soundboi on February 01, 2012, 09:52:23 am
I don't think a couple that weigh 200kgs are going to be the active outdoorsy types

 :imaposer: :imaposer: Luister mannetjie ek het al groter kakke gehaad as jy. Ek en die lang haar baas met die klein voete is seker naby die 200 merk saam.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Dwerg on February 01, 2012, 09:54:29 am
I don't think a couple that weigh 200kgs are going to be the active outdoorsy types

 :imaposer: :imaposer: Luister mannetjie ek het al groter kakke gehaad as jy. Ek en die lang haar baas met die klein voete is seker naby die 200 merk saam.

 :laughing4:

Dis hoekom ek sukkel om dit te picture. In my wêreld is alles huge!!
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Eisbein on February 01, 2012, 09:58:24 am
Not very many bikes that will handle that  :thumleft:

That's the 1100/1150 final drive for you.
The paralever on the 1200 don't like that. Not at all.

;D ;D
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Jacko on February 01, 2012, 10:02:16 am
Due to the 800's tank that protrudes from the sides of the saddle, it is almost impossible for a pillion to stand on the pegs.

They can, but it hurts like kak.

To be sure, when touring two up the 1200's torque vis-a-vis that of the 800 makes it a no-brainer.

1200 for the win.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Soundboi on February 01, 2012, 10:37:33 am
I don't think a couple that weigh 200kgs are going to be the active outdoorsy types

 :imaposer: :imaposer: Luister mannetjie ek het al groter kakke gehaad as jy. Ek en die lang haar baas met die klein voete is seker naby die 200 merk saam.

 :laughing4:

Dis hoekom ek sukkel om dit te picture. In my wêreld is alles huge!!
:laughing4:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Sho`t Left on February 01, 2012, 10:38:54 am
I think the lower payload on the GSA is due to the single sided swing arm or drive shaft... that could be the weak link on the bike. If not, then elsewhere.
For instance, you can tow a heavier trailer with an A4 2.0 TDI then with a Audi RS4... reason being that the cooling system just about keeps up with the power of the V8... read it on an Audi forum a while back.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: the real Takbok on February 01, 2012, 10:48:19 am
I've toured off road with the fiance on my f800 and she had no issues whatsoever.
On the road was a different matter, she didn't last long.  :mwink:

I have to agree that the 1200 or gsa is a much better tourer on road or gravel highways, on more technical terrrain I think the f800 is better.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Moondog on February 01, 2012, 10:49:43 am
Gee weer terugvoer wanneer jy volgelaai, met jou pillion getoer het, en hier en daar moes staan vir tegnies ry.  :eek7: Dis die laaste keer dat daai pillion saam jou toer op 'n F800.

+1 With the comfort seat, the pillion is much more comfortable, and has enough space sitting on the 800 - can go all day, but standing is very uncomfortable. I would not do Namibian roads with a pillion on the 800 - full stop! If I was faced with the choice on which bike to use for two-up touring, the Adv would win by a counrtry mile.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Sithe on February 01, 2012, 10:54:59 am
Why haven't the mods moved this thread to the comedy section ....  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Swart Baard on February 01, 2012, 11:02:57 am
Gee weer terugvoer wanneer jy volgelaai, met jou pillion getoer het, en hier en daar moes staan vir tegnies ry.  :eek7: Dis die laaste keer dat daai pillion saam jou toer op 'n F800.

+1 With the comfort seat, the pillion is much more comfortable, and has enough space sitting on the 800 - can go all day, but standing is very uncomfortable. I would not do Namibian roads with a pillion on the 800 - full stop! If I was faced with the choice on which bike to use for two-up touring, the Adv would win by a counrtry mile.

Longest tour on my 800 with wifey and luggage was 4 days and we both agreed that it is the most pillion unfriendly bike, especially off road. She needs to stand in technical stuffs but those fancy wings of the petrol tank chow into het calves.

We bought those airhawk seat covers and used them once...no mayor difference  ???

So our next bike will be an 1200 GSA no question  :deal: Now if only my bank manager could understand this   :peepwall:  :pot:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on February 01, 2012, 11:09:18 am
GSA for King of the Touring Road! :thumleft:
Looked and tried the F800 before buying the GSA - the deciding factor was that the usable area is better on the GSA - pillion sits & stands more comfortably and the extra torque is welcome. My pillion & I weight in at 140kg without luggage, so the "Max Load" is not all that applicable.... And I always thought we were supposed to back light anyway!! :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Swart Baard on February 01, 2012, 11:16:17 am
GSA for King of the Touring Road! :thumleft:
Looked and tried the F800 before buying the GSA - the deciding factor was that the usable area is better on the GSA - pillion sits & stands more comfortably and the extra torque is welcome. My pillion & I weight in at 140kg without luggage, so the "Max Load" is not all that applicable.... And I always thought we were supposed to back light anyway!! :biggrin:

This is normally the issue when we do away trips on the bike. But wifey always find another small gap for a hairbrush or small make up bottle etc.  :patch:

Next time I am weighing the panniers and topbox . . . we might actually be over the max payload of even the 800  :o
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: tau on February 01, 2012, 12:04:22 pm
GSA for King of the Touring Road! :thumleft:
Looked and tried the F800 before buying the GSA - the deciding factor was that the usable area is better on the GSA - pillion sits & stands more comfortably and the extra torque is welcome. My pillion & I weight in at 140kg without luggage, so the "Max Load" is not all that applicable.... And I always thought we were supposed to back light anyway!! :biggrin:

This is normally the issue when we do away trips on the bike. But wifey always find another small gap for a hairbrush or small make up bottle etc.  :patch:

Next time I am weighing the panniers and topbox . . . we might actually be over the max payload of even the 800  :o

Ja nee kyk. Me without wife can travel on a WR 450 lekker. With the wife a GSA and 3 x panniers becomes too small......

This is what a GSA was made for, for all the negatives this bike has the pillion capability makes it in a class of its own.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: ETS on February 01, 2012, 12:14:05 pm
Take your wife on both-- for that sake, any bike. 1200GS is the best pillion bike. Klaar.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Puddles on February 01, 2012, 12:17:35 pm
Well good luck in finding a pillion willing to prove your theory, as the GS 800 must be the most uncomfortable bike to pillion (off -road)  :mwink:

Have to agree with you here !!!
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Gypsybaron on February 01, 2012, 12:26:26 pm
Ek sê maar niks want ek het maar 'n 1150 en nie 'n 1200 nie, maar na 930km op 1 dag op my 1150 wou ek net nog aanhou ry - ek het toe beter gevoel as na 'n kort 20km trippie...
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: TransAlpie on February 01, 2012, 01:12:43 pm
At my last service they gave me a 2011 800GS for the day. Man give me my 2004 1200GS any day you can keep the 800GS it does not even come close >:D
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Hennie on February 01, 2012, 01:55:11 pm
Oh I hate necro-posting
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 01, 2012, 02:16:17 pm
I was looking at the 800 and the 1200.. I think this thread answered my question.. 1200 it is!!
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Slaaiblaar on February 01, 2012, 03:00:00 pm
Here we again.......
The post is actually about the max load capasity and nothing else.

I never pillion the wife but yesterday I was thinking of upgrading to a 1200GS because one of the reasons of not pillioning was that I think we are to big for the 800. This was when I saw the load specs.

Was actually shocked, about these specs.

Back to the topic

Things I think about is safety. Out of safety point which is the better

Sore ass or overloaded vehicle?


Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on February 01, 2012, 03:02:33 pm
Here we again.......
The post is actually about the max load capasity and nothing else.

I never pillion the wife but yesterday I was thinking of upgrading to a 1200GS because one of the reasons of not pillioning was that I think we are to big for the 800. This was when I saw the load specs.

Was actually shocked, about these specs.

Back to the topic

Things I think about is safety. Out of safety point which is the better

Sore ass or overloaded vehicle?



But you know a standard 800 is "lewensgevaarlik" out the box? :mwink:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Swart Baard on February 01, 2012, 03:04:31 pm
Here we again.......
The post is actually about the max load capasity and nothing else.

I never pillion the wife but yesterday I was thinking of upgrading to a 1200GS because one of the reasons of not pillioning was that I think we are to big for the 800. This was when I saw the load specs.

Was actually shocked, about these specs.

Back to the topic

Things I think about is safety. Out of safety point which is the better

Sore ass or overloaded vehicle?




You have a point there  :thumleft:
Sore ass it is then . . . bike ry is nie vir sissies nie  >:D
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Plaashaas on February 01, 2012, 03:08:35 pm
Jinne maar julle is skroewe  :(


the oke just quoted a fact

relax f-rk
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Rynet on February 01, 2012, 04:29:42 pm
Jinne maar julle is skroewe  :(


the oke just quoted a fact

relax f-rk

But honey but what good is a fact on paper , if no pillions can stand on the pegs . It's not the seat that is hard, it is the standing position of the GS 800.  Must we keep quite and let him buy a GS 800 and then realise that his wife will never go on trips with him ?  >:D
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Magnum on February 01, 2012, 04:44:53 pm
Shows you not all BMW's are faultless.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Plaashaas on February 01, 2012, 07:57:27 pm
Jinne maar julle is skroewe  :(


the oke just quoted a fact

relax f-rk

But honey but what good is a fact on paper , if no pillions can stand on the pegs . It's not the seat that is hard, it is the standing position of the GS 800.  Must we keep quite and let him buy a GS 800 and then realise that his wife will never go on trips with him ?  >:D

Maybe your wife needs to go for yoga lessons to be more flexible  :pot:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Biza on February 01, 2012, 08:26:28 pm
have both in our garage (ADV and 800).  ADV better at two-up touring - full stop.

Same here, I prefer to ride alone and take all the luggage (beer boep excluded) and the wife on her 800 with only topbox..  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Gérrard on February 01, 2012, 08:32:35 pm
OK, what is the speck supposed to mean ? Is that when you reach that weight it will adversely affect the bikes handeling or that the subframe will break.

What's the point being made ?
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Advrider on February 01, 2012, 08:34:30 pm
a SPANNER in the works Die beste one up bike off road van die grt fietse is die 990 
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Gérrard on February 01, 2012, 08:41:01 pm
OK, what is the speck supposed to mean ? Is that when you reach that weight it will adversely affect the bikes handeling or that the subframe will break.

What's the point being made ?

Let me expand further. On the spec you gave my Africa Twin had a bigger load carrying capacity than the GSA. My wife and I load 215kg on the bike when touring. On the AT I knew I had that weight on the bike... on the GSA I'm not aware of it  :eek7:

Did the spec then have any bearing on the bikes's capabilities as a tourers ? The lower spec bike is the better tourer !
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Gypsybaron on February 01, 2012, 09:06:10 pm
I think the specs only indicates the total mass allowed - GVM - the mass the tyres and rims can safely carry all day. The 800 is lighter, meaning it can have more "payload" that's why they put the bigger tyres on in this photo Bring it On posted a while back ;)
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 01, 2012, 10:30:39 pm
Quite senseless to give the bike with the least power the greater payload capacity. Vorsprung durch technik.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Plaashaas on February 02, 2012, 06:25:37 am
Quite senseless to give the bike with the least power the greater payload capacity. Vorsprung durch technik.

Thats audi 's saying ..jou doffel!


its like saying .....Alles loop altyd reg ...Honda!!!

or come an have a McMeal at Wimpy

Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: White Rhino on February 02, 2012, 06:28:26 am
Quite senseless to give the bike with the least power the greater payload capacity. Vorsprung durch technik.

Thats audi 's saying ..jou doffel!


slike saying .....Alles loop altyd reg ...Honda!!!


:laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 02, 2012, 06:29:05 am
Plaashaas, jy het dit weer verkeerd, dit is ; "alles loop altyd reg....Japanees!"
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: DSNewbie on February 02, 2012, 07:48:27 am
Plaashaas, jy het dit weer verkeerd, dit is ; "alles loop altyd reg....Japanees!"

For the first 20km at least...
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Battlestar on February 02, 2012, 07:51:30 am
Plaashaas, jy het dit weer verkeerd, dit is ; "alles loop altyd reg....Japanees!"

For the first 20km at least...
:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :peepwall: :pot: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Brandt on February 02, 2012, 07:56:30 am
Koop my 1150 GSA, comfy and payload is 236kg..  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Plaashaas on February 02, 2012, 03:26:49 pm
Plaashaas, jy het dit weer verkeerd, dit is ; "alles loop altyd reg....Japanees!"

For the first 20km at least...


 :laughing4:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 02, 2012, 07:10:02 pm
Oplet, daai was Brasiliaans........ :mwink:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: DSNewbie on February 02, 2012, 07:14:07 pm
Oplet, daai was Brasiliaans........ :mwink:


And the new Yamahas with all their problems then?
Italian I guess?
They give as much kak as an Alfa...

Under the Japanese Honda brand, 20km later moertoe, returning to the japcrap label...
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 02, 2012, 07:17:46 pm
Are you happy with your Japanese bike?
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: DSNewbie on February 02, 2012, 07:40:50 pm
Are you happy with your Japanese bike?

Not really, but it is all I can afford  :'(

Their is hope though, I heard there is a Honda 650 going to be on the market at a great price soon, only 20 km on the clock, as new, only the engine is blown  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 02, 2012, 08:41:56 pm
Yearning for a Beemer, while the trusty Jap takes you places. Grow some gratitude.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 02, 2012, 08:44:23 pm
Well, NSdewbie, you can find some consolation in how KLR's kicked everyone's arses at last years CABC.
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 02, 2012, 09:45:44 pm
Sometimes it is the bike .. in that case i think it was the rider..
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: White Rhino on February 03, 2012, 05:03:50 am
Well, NSdewbie, you can find some consolation in how KLR's kicked everyone's arses at last years CABC.

Sometimes it is the bike .. in that case i think it was the rider..

Aint that a fact. There are a couple of lads that ride EishPees that kick serious ass in the technical compos. They occasionally do the course with a pillion - beautiful to watch  ::)
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Gypsybaron on February 03, 2012, 09:57:05 pm
Found these specs:
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_r1200gs%20black%2011.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_r1200gs%20black%2011.htm)
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_f800gs%2012%20Triple%20Black.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_f800gs%2012%20Triple%20Black.htm)
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_r1150gs%2003.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_r1150gs%2003.htm)

800GS                                     1200GSA                                         1150GS

178 kg DRY                              205 kg DRY                                     232 kg DRY
12.5 sec 1/4 mile                     12.3 sec 1/4 mile                            13.3
199 km/h                                 206.8 km/h                                     193.1 km/h
880mm seat height                 870mm seat height                        860 mm seat height
62.5 kW                                   81 kW                                            62.5 kW
80 Nm                                      120 Nm                                          98 Nm

351 W/kg                                 395 W/kg                                       269 W/kg
449 Nm/T                                 585 Nm/T                                        422 Nm/T


So, die Ystervark is die swaarste, dan die Plastiekvark, en die Lewensgevaarlik die ligste, Ystervark se enjin is relatief die swakste (ek is te lui om nou dit nog in persentasies uit te werk  :mwink: ) maar ek sal veel eerder met die 1150 as met die 800 die langpad aanpak. Veral as ek nie vinniger as die spoedgrens gaan ry nie, ek wil darem nog in 'n bed slaap nie in 'n sel nie.

Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Rags on February 04, 2012, 02:37:27 am
Goeie moer, ek sal moet werk aan my boep. Ek weigh amper in saam met die vroue  :lamer:  :ricky:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Stofdonkie on February 04, 2012, 06:50:46 am
Country Gal hier... En hier sit ek en StofD en worry oor ons gewig en probeer diet!!  Die thread laat my nogal beter voel. Teen 140kg saam, klok ons darem gesond onder die average in... Nou waar is die pizza delivery se nr...
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: White Rhino on February 04, 2012, 07:00:34 am
Country Gal hier... En hier sit ek en StofD en worry oor ons gewig en probeer diet!!  Die thread laat my nogal beter voel. Teen 140kg saam, klok ons darem gesond onder die average in... Nou waar is die pizza delivery se nr...
140kg - scary thin - take two pizza's daily and call back in a month  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Tonteldoos on February 04, 2012, 07:04:17 am

Bliksem geen wonder niks van die 2e handse goed te koop op die site is ooit my size nie. Ek en my vrou is saam 130kg   :-\
Jis en jy weeg net 30 kg...  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why the 800GS is a better 2 up touring bike than the 1200GS/GSA
Post by: Stofdonkie on February 04, 2012, 07:13:32 am
Country Gal hier... En hier sit ek en StofD en worry oor ons gewig en probeer diet!!  Die thread laat my nogal beter voel. Teen 140kg saam, klok ons darem gesond onder die average in... Nou waar is die pizza delivery se nr...
140kg - scary thin - take two pizza's daily and call back in a month  :biggrin:

Ons maak so dokter!  Eerste keer in my lewe wat iemand na my of StofD as scary thin verwys...