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Title: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Panne on March 21, 2012, 05:59:42 pm
The route for 2013's Dakar has been announced: http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2013/us/route.html

Race starts in Lima, Peru on January 5, crossing into Argentina and finishes in Santiago, Chile on January 20.

Only 289 days to go.  :biggrin: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 21, 2012, 09:14:40 pm
Thanks Panne!  :thumleft:

Holy moly, only 289 days....thats um,... 41 weeks!!!

Its starting late only on the 5th January - Don't they know we also have to work ?? What are these guys thinking??
I'm sad that its not going through Bolivia (unfortunately the helicopters do not mix with the altitude to well) , but 5 stages in Peru, 5 in Argentina, and 4 in Chile is going to make this one a real tuffie. They did three stages in Peru last year one was the last stage (not long or too tough), and the other two were shortened because they were too hard.  ::) The Peru stages are going to be killer.

Two high altitude crossings as well later in the rally, with the last four stages of fesh-fesh to finish off those who are taking strain. It's going to be a ball breaker compared to last year, guaranteed.

I'm going to give it a bash.  Not sure how really, but at least selling my Springbokkie is going to get me the entry fee paid...

More on my dream soon. I want to live it. AYOBAAAAA

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-ksRV48G/0/XL/Official-XL.jpg)


http://www.supersport.com/motorsport/dakar/news/120321/Dakar_Rally_to_start_in_Peru_in_2013

Next year's Dakar Rally will start in Peru for the first time and end in Chile after crossing the Andes into Argentina, organisers said on Wednesday.

It will be the fifth year in a row that the Dakar, a gruelling event that started out as a race from Paris across the Sahara desert to the Senegalese capital Dakar, has been held in South America.

The event, which has claimed numerous lives over the years and will be in its 35th edition next year, was switched from Africa to Argentina in 2009 for security reasons.

The 2013 rally will start in Lima - the finish of this year's edition - on January 5 and end in Santiago on January 20, with a rest day in San Miguel de Tucuman in Argentina.

"Peru, Argentina and Chile, explored on a north to south journey, will offer the Dakar a different angle of attack on the Pacific Coast, the Atacama's dunes and the Andes Mountains," said Dakar director Etienne Lavigne in a statement.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 21, 2012, 09:25:56 pm
Ooooo..................I was looking through the calendar and it says:


Over the last few years, the Dakar has also been on the move between editions, to meet the competitors and the media. The Dakar World Tour helps to maintain direct links and provide encounters in many countries for rally-raid enthusiasts. In 2012, nine dates have been scheduled, with a new stage in Southern Africa.


Dakar Tour in Southern Africa (Botswana) 15th May.......

This is a recce for 2014 FOR sure.  :deal: (http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/happay.gif)


Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on March 21, 2012, 10:29:44 pm
Ooooo..................I was looking through the calendar and it says:


Over the last few years, the Dakar has also been on the move between editions, to meet the competitors and the media. The Dakar World Tour helps to maintain direct links and provide encounters in many countries for rally-raid enthusiasts. In 2012, nine dates have been scheduled, with a new stage in Southern Africa.


Dakar Tour in Southern Africa (Botswana) 15th May.......

This is a recce for 2014 FOR sure.  :deal: (http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/happay.gif)




 :eek7: :thumleft: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on March 21, 2012, 10:39:51 pm
I see the date for Botswana is 23 June. Same weekend as the Mantshwabisi 1000 / Toyota Desertrace.  :ricky:

Will definitely be there!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 22, 2012, 12:00:59 am
Sori I screwed up on the dates there,  :P but great news nevertheless!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: myni on March 22, 2012, 08:48:30 am
Does anyone know whether there is a DVD available for 2012 and 2011?

Got one for 2010 - but it is very short and there is a lot of detail missing.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on March 22, 2012, 09:36:33 am
Does anyone know whether there is a DVD available for 2012 and 2011?

Got one for 2010 - but it is very short and there is a lot of detail missing.

Don't think there's one for 2012 available yet. You can get a 2011 highlights dvd from here: http://www.dukevideo.com/Cars/DVD/Off-Road-and-Dakar/Dakar-Rally/Dakar-Rally-2011-DVD.aspx
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: myni on March 22, 2012, 01:41:05 pm
Fantastic!  Ordered.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on March 22, 2012, 01:44:02 pm
Fantastic!  Ordered.

 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on March 28, 2012, 08:01:49 pm
So lets say, hypothetically speaking, that I could actually afford this:
What are the options for chasing the Dakar in 2013? On two wheels of course, preferrably mine but hired would also do.
Just dreaming, but what would this cost, ball-park? And who can I talk to? 
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 29, 2012, 12:38:02 am
So lets say, hypothetically speaking, that I could actually afford this:
What are the options for chasing the Dakar in 2013? On two wheels of course, preferrably mine but hired would also do.
Just dreaming, but what would this cost, ball-park? And who can I talk to?  

Hiring a bike here is pretty damn expensive - around USD250/day.

However seeing that I plan to be riding my own bike, my 800GS will be available to you if you sponsor me lets say USD100/day.

Alternatively just ship your bike here along with my rally bike (which looks like it will not be sold :( in RSA after all ), I still need to find out how much that will cost. You would need to do a temporary import (no carnet needed). I will probably ship in July/August. Fuel in Peru is USD1/litre, and you can get by on anything between R150-R500/day for hotels + food
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: White Rhino on March 29, 2012, 05:56:41 am
BB Have you tried the local Yammie dealers to sell your bike - they have a direct market - I had more success selling my bike through that channel.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: madmax on March 29, 2012, 06:04:24 am
sub cos i have no ,eamingful comment to make
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 29, 2012, 01:38:01 pm
BB Have you tried the local Yammie dealers to sell your bike - they have a direct market - I had more success selling my bike through that channel.

Good idea. I'll try that. Decision time decision time. No buyer for my bike and in the next few hours I need to transfer money for a 2nd hand 450RR with factory forks and all the bling. He want Euro 21K for it. What do you guys reckon?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on March 29, 2012, 01:41:44 pm
BB Have you tried the local Yammie dealers to sell your bike - they have a direct market - I had more success selling my bike through that channel.

Good idea. I'll try that. Decision time decision time. No buyer for my bike and in the next few hours I need to transfer money for a 2nd hand 450RR with factory forks and all the bling. He want Euro 21K for it. What do you guys reckon?

That's about ZAR 216,000 as I type this.  I think it's a very good price. The Yammie will sell. GO FOR IT! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: White Rhino on March 29, 2012, 02:05:33 pm
BB Have you tried the local Yammie dealers to sell your bike - they have a direct market - I had more success selling my bike through that channel.

Good idea. I'll try that. Decision time decision time. No buyer for my bike and in the next few hours I need to transfer money for a 2nd hand 450RR with factory forks and all the bling. He want Euro 21K for it. What do you guys reckon?

That's about ZAR 216,000 as I type this.  I think it's a very good price. The Yammie will sell. GO FOR IT! :thumleft:
Agree, your bike will sell, it may take a month or three.

If you say it quickly (R216k) it sounds great :thumleft:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: bud500 on March 29, 2012, 02:10:35 pm
Gooi some Euros this way while you at it...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 29, 2012, 07:40:00 pm
There, I said it quickly.......    ::)


I think its a done deal. Mannnnne, ek's bang! Wat het ek gedoen??

Here is a sneak preview
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 29, 2012, 07:40:13 pm
.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Kerritz on March 30, 2012, 07:34:22 am
Eeeeish....wys nog wys nog!!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 30, 2012, 07:43:30 am
How serious are you for 2013, Bloubal? If serious then us Wilddogs have got to start coming to the party, and contribute to a real effort. I will contribute for sure, and maybe some okes on this forum can, by contributing to your Dakar effort, buy some BMW silence from me? >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 30, 2012, 01:54:43 pm
How serious are you for 2013, Bloubal? If serious then us Wilddogs have got to start coming to the party, and contribute to a real effort. I will contribute for sure, and maybe some okes on this forum can, by contributing to your Dakar effort, buy some BMW silence from me? >:D


I'm seriously serious. Busy with website development right now, and will make formal announcements soon. Without sponsorships its not going to happen, so I want to try and have things up and running within a month.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on March 30, 2012, 09:14:29 pm
How serious are you for 2013, Bloubal? If serious then us Wilddogs have got to start coming to the party, and contribute to a real effort. I will contribute for sure, and maybe some okes on this forum can, by contributing to your Dakar effort, buy some BMW silence from me? >:D

I'm in.
How about "selling" specific bits of the route, for a price per km? And for being such nice generous people, you send us that portion of the logbook afterwards....
You are mos going to make it all the way to the end, we know that. A bit of "BlouBull rode this piece of the Dakar and I helped make it happen" might generate some interest, if it is allowed.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 30, 2012, 09:37:58 pm
That is a good idea Steve, although if I were evr to do something as spectacular as Dakar, I would want to keep the roadbook as souvenir.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Motties on March 30, 2012, 09:41:25 pm
SUBFUCKENSCRIBE
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 31, 2012, 03:21:50 am
How serious are you for 2013, Bloubal? If serious then us Wilddogs have got to start coming to the party, and contribute to a real effort. I will contribute for sure, and maybe some okes on this forum can, by contributing to your Dakar effort, buy some BMW silence from me? >:D

I'm in.
How about "selling" specific bits of the route, for a price per km? And for being such nice generous people, you send us that portion of the logbook afterwards....
You are mos going to make it all the way to the end, we know that. A bit of "BlouBull rode this piece of the Dakar and I helped make it happen" might generate some interest, if it is allowed.

Great idea Steve, I will definitely give that a go.

So I was in the KTM shop here in Lima today. They reckon they can order me a brand new 450 RR for R295,000...shipping September. Versus getting a 2nd hand one in June for R217,000 with factory forks, but with one Dakar on the engine already. A new motor will set me back wait-for-it R68,000. There is only one way to describe this: F*****n belaglik.  :o  :(

What do you reckon I chance it on the old one?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: White Rhino on March 31, 2012, 05:32:01 am
Talking seriaas tin here BB.   :3some:  Only you know the answer to that question. I have no doubt that you will get some financial support from us dogs but I doubt whether you will make those kind of numbers. What other sponsorship do you have lined up?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 31, 2012, 09:19:41 am
Please note that I am not claiming to speak for all Wilddogs, but I know that a lot of you will freely help BB, since I have never seen a rider more dedicated to his branch of bike racing. If we also do the sums, every Wilddog needs to give a smallish amount to actually get things happening.
If  5000 members give only R100.00 each, it will already sort out BB's bike issues. Of course the less members contributing, the more the rest will pay :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on May 17, 2012, 09:06:22 pm
Entries have opened
(Gentle hint, aimed directly at BB)

http://lynx.cia-sophia.com/DakarInscription/Logon.aspx?lang=en&epreuve=5ce41f20-a375-4236-a34a-01d9ff4e0140

:nike:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 18, 2012, 02:03:44 am
Oh shit....  :biggrin:

I got the bike (shh the wife doesn't know yet...), but the funds, the funds... The Economy is a world of shite; On the 28th I may be fired  ::) If I last that long I think I might just have to do it...

Hope and pray boys, I really REALLY want to do it.  :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Aquatic on May 18, 2012, 02:34:11 am
SUB
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Welsh on May 18, 2012, 03:26:40 am
 :peepwall: WOW just go for it :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: J-dog on May 18, 2012, 03:39:21 am
 8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Welsh on May 18, 2012, 03:44:47 am
8)

WTF J-Dog are you an insomniac, I'm stupid and at work? 8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: White Rhino on May 18, 2012, 05:47:26 am
:thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: domstes on May 18, 2012, 10:10:00 am
I have completely lost interest in the Dakar rally. It is now the Dakar multi-day-enduro. Another tradition that has died.  :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: markdiver on May 19, 2012, 01:35:42 am
I have completely lost interest in the Dakar rally. It is now the Dakar multi-day-enduro. Another tradition that has died.  :-\

What do you mean domstes??  Is this not what the Dakar is about, long daily stages, testing both man & machine, finally seperating the men from the boys and the machines from the toys?  Hate to see anyone or dog loosing interest in what I consider the ultimate offroad race in the world.

Go BlueBull - my support is there.  look forward to and would be a pleasure contributing to your efforts.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on May 19, 2012, 08:53:02 am
I have completely lost interest in the Dakar rally. It is now the Dakar multi-day-enduro. Another tradition that has died.  :-\

What do you mean domstes??  Is this not what the Dakar is about, long daily stages, testing both man & machine, finally seperating the men from the boys and the machines from the toys?  Hate to see anyone or dog loosing interest in what I consider the ultimate offroad race in the world.

Go BlueBull - my support is there.  look forward to and would be a pleasure contributing to your efforts.

+1
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Arno Roux on May 19, 2012, 02:23:06 pm
blou Bull

Kannie wag om meer te hoor nie,

Man dit sal n 100 bladsy ride report kan wees
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Minora on May 20, 2012, 09:30:41 am
Bluebull...

You can also do the post rally coffee table book as deadly99 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=738327&page=96

We all know you have the writing skills and the pictures to justify it.

Please put me down for 1 in advance  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 20, 2012, 09:34:58 am
Bluebull...

You can also do the post rally coffee table book as deadly99 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=738327&page=96

We all know you have the writing skills and the pictures to justify it.

Please put me down for 1 in advance  :biggrin:

I have been in talks with him about one for the Dos Sertoes actually.


When I get round to the Dakar I would like to do one too.

About that: Man Im in such a stressed situation here. I know its open for application, but I dont have the funds yet. In the current markets its very tough as well.  :-\ I am just going to have to hang on a bit.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Minora on May 20, 2012, 02:48:19 pm
Bluebull...

You can also do the post rally coffee table book as deadly99 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=738327&page=96

We all know you have the writing skills and the pictures to justify it.

Please put me down for 1 in advance  :biggrin:

I have been in talks with him about one for the Dos Sertoes actually.


When I get round to the Dakar I would like to do one too.

About that: Man Im in such a stressed situation here. I know its open for application, but I dont have the funds yet. In the current markets its very tough as well.  :-\ I am just going to have to hang on a bit.

Put me up for a Dos Sertoes as-well.  :thumleft: If you can manage to get this done, the funds can go towards next year and then the Dakar 2013 book can cover some of the outstanding expenses. And there are countless other Rally nutters (as yourself) on Adv Rider who would not think twice in ordering the book 

I can imagine the mixed feelings you are experiencing, and the big decisions that needs to be taken. My hope and prayers is that you will be in a position that you can fulfill your dream!

All i can say is:" GOOD LUCK"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on May 20, 2012, 06:31:34 pm
Whether or not you get to Dakar next year or not, I reckon some of your ride reports are worth publishing in a book. Dos Sertoes is one, A n00b goes Rallye Racing from ADVRider.com is also brilliant.
Find a publisher and I'll place an order in advance. I'll even pay in advance if it helps.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: domstes on May 21, 2012, 10:10:21 am
I have completely lost interest in the Dakar rally. It is now the Dakar multi-day-enduro. Another tradition that has died.  :-\

What do you mean domstes??  Is this not what the Dakar is about, long daily stages, testing both man & machine, finally seperating the men from the boys and the machines from the toys?  Hate to see anyone or dog loosing interest in what I consider the ultimate offroad race in the world.

Go BlueBull - my support is there.  look forward to and would be a pleasure contributing to your efforts.

How can you test a machine when the engine is replaced every 3-4 days. Rallyes are highspeed section of gravel and mountain passes. Now it is enduro style stages linked together with 'liason' special stages. Don't get me wrong. I am sure it is still very, very tough, but I like the older style dakar stage a lot more.

My main issue is however just this. How can you call it an rally if the egines do not last the whole race!?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Pom17 on May 21, 2012, 10:32:14 am
Hi BB

Before you go may I meet you (hand shake, autograph & a dop saam)  :mwink:
I like most on the forum wish that I may one day be able to attempt the DAKAR. But in the meanwhile it will be awesome to say I know someone that did do it :biggrin:
Hope everything works out. :thumleft:
(As ek eendag groot is)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Gat Slag on May 21, 2012, 11:33:33 am
 :happy1:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 21, 2012, 04:53:00 pm
I have completely lost interest in the Dakar rally. It is now the Dakar multi-day-enduro. Another tradition that has died.  :-\

What do you mean domstes??  Is this not what the Dakar is about, long daily stages, testing both man & machine, finally seperating the men from the boys and the machines from the toys?  Hate to see anyone or dog loosing interest in what I consider the ultimate offroad race in the world.

Go BlueBull - my support is there.  look forward to and would be a pleasure contributing to your efforts.

How can you test a machine when the engine is replaced every 3-4 days. Rallyes are highspeed section of gravel and mountain passes. Now it is enduro style stages linked together with 'liason' special stages. Don't get me wrong. I am sure it is still very, very tough, but I like the older style dakar stage a lot more.

My main issue is however just this. How can you call it an rally if the egines do not last the whole race!?

Actually there are surprising number of bikes that do make the whole trip on one engine. Its only the fancy fast guys who change their engines, and those that have a problem with theirs somewhere.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: J-dog on May 22, 2012, 05:57:05 pm
re-phrase - most bikes make it on one engine.

(just not the ktm's)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on June 24, 2012, 05:41:03 pm
Here is an update on my attempt:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=89086.80 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=89086.80)


re-phrase - most bikes make it on one engine.

(just not the ktm's)

Hehe not true. A couple of guys on malle moto finished on one KTM engine

Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Aquatic on June 29, 2012, 02:05:49 pm
The new Bordone Ferrari

 :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:

Gaan haal die lappies voor jy kyk! Sex on wheels!!

(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff462/Brodovitch/BFMi13.jpg)
(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff462/Brodovitch/BFMi12.jpg)
(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff462/Brodovitch/BFMi11.jpg)


The screen has been photoshopped

Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Pom17 on June 29, 2012, 02:16:42 pm
Lyk kak mal maar nog nooit van so iets gehoor nie. Maak my bietjie wys asb
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Aquatic on June 29, 2012, 02:31:52 pm
Lyk kak mal maar nog nooit van so iets gehoor nie. Maak my bietjie wys asb

They raced KTMs last year.

Two guys(Nicoletta Elisa Altieri Bordone and Renato Ferrari) with big wallets decided to start a team. And develope a bike.

Bid name riders - Viladoms and Chaleco


They have spent money on a promo team

http://www.youtube.com/v/e9KhtlSBoSg&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Pom17 on June 29, 2012, 02:37:53 pm
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on June 30, 2012, 05:13:54 am
The new Bordone Ferrari

 :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:

Gaan haal die lappies voor jy kyk! Sex on wheels!!
(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff462/Brodovitch/BFMi11.jpg)
The screen has been photoshopped

I think this has a lot of potential. It certainly looks sexy, but the nav. tower seems a little bit too high and delicate.

Not sure where they are going to squeeze in 32l of fuel either.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: White Rhino on June 30, 2012, 06:03:21 am
The Iti's have style - for sure. Overlay the SA flag on the same plane as the green, white and red lines also tapering it to the back, to give motion ..... Schweet.

Also think that 32l may be a problem with the current design unless you add width.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 01, 2012, 07:07:29 pm
From www.dakar.com (http://www.dakar.com)

After the South American, European and Asian stages, the Dakar Tour went to meet the riders and drivers of South Africa. Pioneers like Alfie Cox and Giniel De Villiers have inspired others in this part of the continent.

The date had been set for Johannesburg with the small South African delegation present on the Dakar 2012. In addition to the regulars who finished the event in January, such as Darryl Curtis, 22nd in the overall bike standings in Lima, the all-terrain world seized the opportunity to display its interest for the Dakar.


The visit of the Dakar Tour also allowed Xavier Gavory to collect not only signs of friendship but also many applications which should reinforce the South African presence on the rally: "For example, Darryl Curtis is planning on enrolling for 2013 with 2 young talented bikers," explains the head of the competitor relations department. "In both the bike and car categories, plenty of ambitious projects could see the light of day, in both 2013 and 2014. The South Africans, who have a strong and extensive bush culture, are major fans of all-terrain in general and the desert in particular". This observation was proved to be true during the entire week-end at Gaborone, in Botswana, where the Toyota Kalahari Botswana 1000 Desert Race, the main regional event in the discipline, took place. Duncan Vos, who drove his Toyota into 10th place on the last edition of the Dakar, was able to answer the often very technical questions asked by all those who are contemplating cutting their teeth on the Dakar. Amongst the applications, the rally may be welcoming a Zambian driver for the first time in 2013, giving the race an increasing international dimension.


DAKAR CHALLENGE -Verdict in Botswana

(http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2013/docs/dakar_news11_gd2.jpg)

As part of the South African all-terrain championships, the community of rally enthusiasts came together in Botswana for the Toyota Kalahari Botswana 1000 Desert Race, which also hosted the first act of the Dakar Challenge. Behind Duncan Vos, leader of the general standings, Evan Hutchison and Dannie Stassen, winners of the Challenge, earned their place on the Dakar.

After a solid performance, the thrills were immense. In Botswana, the Toyota Kalahari Botswana 1000 Desert Race represents the biggest event organised each year. For the occasion, the media’s attention was totally focused on the battles that lit up the Kalahari Bush, where 200,000 spectators spent the week-end. Such a resounding success before so many spectators is already a prestigious feat, but this year, the stakes of the Dakar Challenge added further spice. Among the 23 crews enrolled for this "race within the race", it was Evan Hutchison, already South African champion last year, who stood out from the rest on the tracks: "I couldn’t think of anything better than winning this race in my category for the first time and simultaneously booking my ticket on the next Dakar. There is no doubt that I will be there". Whilst Hutchison and Stassen have shown themselves to be competitive, they now need to concentrate on their next challenge and begin by finding a vehicle that will enable them to start out from Lima with the utmost chances of reaching Santiago two weeks later. This is because the BAT Venom with which they beat all their rivals on conclusion of three days of a very tight struggle in Gaborone does not comply with the technical rules of the Dakar. However, with this new line added to his roll of honour, Hutchison now has all the cards in his hand to find a suitable set of wheels.

The podium for the first stage of the Dakar Challenge:
1. Evan Hutchison / Danie Stassen (BAT Venom)
2. Christiaan du Plooy / Henk Janse van Vuuren (BMW X3), 2’52’’ behind
3. Johan van Staden / Mike Lawrenson (BAT Spec 5), 3’44’’ behind
From 23rd to 28th July, the Dakar Challenge will continue in South America on the Desafio Litoral race. Two places on the Dakar 2013 (in the bike and car categories) are up for grabs.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Kenisis on July 02, 2012, 07:27:13 pm
Its is official. Honda are returning to the Dakar as a factory team for the First time in many years. They are taking on 4 riders, The always smiling Hellder Rodriguez, My friend here from Dubai Sam Sunderland, Felipe Zanol and Javier Pizzolito.

May they all have an Awesome ride this Dakar!

http://world.honda.com/news/2012/c120702Dakar-Rally/index.html?from=r%3Ffrom%3Dfb
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 02, 2012, 08:23:44 pm
Wow Helder Rodrigues? Thats a surprise.

Brazilian Felipe Zanol is going to do well next year, I hope he gets a top five.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on August 09, 2012, 08:59:48 am
Only 148 more sleeps to the start of Dakar 2013!  :biggrin: :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: madmax on August 09, 2012, 09:13:26 am
Only 148 more sleeps to the start of Dakar 2013!  :biggrin: :ricky:

But whse countingo
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on August 09, 2012, 10:19:01 am
Only 148 more sleeps to the start of Dakar 2013!  :biggrin: :ricky:

But whse countingo

 ::) ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: ChinaPete on August 09, 2012, 04:57:02 pm
Recently received my 2012 Dakar Bluray disc set, most enjoyable watching the whole thing in a couple of sittings :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: spokie on August 10, 2012, 06:47:53 pm
Recently received my 2012 Dakar Bluray disc set, most enjoyable watching the whole thing in a couple of sittings :thumleft:

Was just thinking about this...! I missed the whole Dakar 2012 and would really like to see it, where did you organise these from?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 11, 2012, 06:52:18 am
This is not the official video, (which is worth getting anyway), but here is 25 minutes of BIKES, so its a start  :deal:

Plus it has quite a bit of amateur footage you wont get on the DVD's. Ping me if you want to dropbox the HD versions

I hope you enjoy  8)

http://www.youtube.com/v/4LXnp54QmAA

http://www.youtube.com/v/GDfgW4dOU0s

I'm busy working on the next edition, its turned into a labour of love.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: spokie on August 11, 2012, 07:30:04 am
This is not the official video, (which is worth getting anyway), but here is 25 minutes of BIKES, so its a start  :deal:

Plus it has quite a bit of amateur footage you wont get on the DVD's. Ping me if you want to dropbox the HD versions

I hope you enjoy  8)

http://www.youtube.com/v/4LXnp54QmAA

http://www.youtube.com/v/GDfgW4dOU0s

I'm busy working on the next edition, its turned into a labour of love.

Nice!!! I think dropbox it, I cannot download any of this, for the internet connection is as poor as MTN can get it, here on the countryside (GPRS). I have someone who can download this for me, though and having it on HD would be worth the effort plus I think some other dogs would also like to download your vids.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 11, 2012, 08:12:15 am
Just PM me your email, and I will add you to my Dropbox
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Motties on August 11, 2012, 12:56:43 pm
Just PM me your email, and I will add you to my Dropbox
And to fanie@vicol.co.za if you don't mind please.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: ChinaPete on August 12, 2012, 04:49:51 am
Recently received my 2012 Dakar Bluray disc set, most enjoyable watching the whole thing in a couple of sittings :thumleft:

Was just thinking about this...! I missed the whole Dakar 2012 and would really like to see it, where did you organise these from?

Bought off of Chinese version of Amazon for R15 and they chucked in a free 2010/11 Moto GP highlights DVD.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 12, 2012, 08:18:23 pm
Here is a very nice, albeit older video of the aliens riding.

http://www.youtube.com/v/xN7bmOA2JhE

And I also have Part 3 up now.

Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/v/LTADUu3F_Fg
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: flatmo on August 13, 2012, 01:14:42 pm
Thanks for the cool videos
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: White Rhino on August 13, 2012, 02:47:57 pm
Thanks BB, need more bandwidth  :P
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: markdiver on August 13, 2012, 05:14:33 pm
Just PM me your email, and I will add you to my Dropbox

Likewise please BB.  Can send to markdiver@netactive.co.za
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 16, 2012, 03:31:29 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/y-XhRfhfN1g
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Hondsekierie on August 16, 2012, 05:51:35 pm
Hi Neil, please add me in for Dropbox johancbotha@absamail.co.za

I have a number of possible takers for the following of the 2013 event.  Will post on that thread as well :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on August 17, 2012, 01:51:17 pm
Nog net 140 slapies om te gaan!  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on August 26, 2012, 06:15:25 pm
Spent a most enjoyable day at AMID. Darryl Curtiss and Rian van Niekerk were there, with their Dakar practise bikes, raring to go. Darryl his usual confident self, Rian says he is looking forward to it with some trepidation.  Apparently their races bikes will be shipped directly to the race from the KTM factory. Also met Glen Grundy and Brett Cummings, who will also be riding. Great guys, living a dream. They have a web site up and running, have a look at http://www.rallyerider.com/ or http://www.facebook.com/Rallyerider
Is that it, four South Africans? Or are there more lurking? Panne, for example, or Ian Stevenson, who deserves a finish after his fiery exit last time?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 26, 2012, 09:09:50 pm
Thanks for the update Steve! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: wiledog_X on August 26, 2012, 09:51:44 pm
Wow Helder Rodrigues? Thats a surprise.

Brazilian Felipe Zanol is going to do well next year, I hope he gets a top five.

a quote from advrider:

"Helder has been plugging away with his DIY/Yamaha effort now for a number of years, and making great results... while the "official" YME/YMF outfit continued to do their own thing year after year, with no great degree of sucess...

Then HONDA comes to the table with the offer of a (reputedly) full blow HRC effort for the next Dakar, and ask Helder if he wants a seat... On the strength of his recent FIM Cross Country Rally world title and Dakar podiums... it's not surprising he got asked... and if I was in Helders position, I'd be all over the HRC offer like a fat kid on a jelly donut!"

could this be the Honda machine to dethrone the Orange?  :mwink:
(http://www.enduro360.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/HM-Honda-CRE-F450X-AR12_4-Befurious.com_.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Kenisis on August 27, 2012, 01:45:04 am
Wow Helder Rodrigues? Thats a surprise.

Brazilian Felipe Zanol is going to do well next year, I hope he gets a top five.

a quote from advrider:

"Helder has been plugging away with his DIY/Yamaha effort now for a number of years, and making great results... while the "official" YME/YMF outfit continued to do their own thing year after year, with no great degree of sucess...

Then HONDA comes to the table with the offer of a (reputedly) full blow HRC effort for the next Dakar, and ask Helder if he wants a seat... On the strength of his recent FIM Cross Country Rally world title and Dakar podiums... it's not surprising he got asked... and if I was in Helders position, I'd be all over the HRC offer like a fat kid on a jelly donut!"

could this be the Honda machine to dethrone the Orange?  :mwink:
(http://www.enduro360.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/HM-Honda-CRE-F450X-AR12_4-Befurious.com_.jpg)
Watch my mate Sam Sunderland!  If he doesn't break something he could do very well!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 28, 2012, 01:05:40 pm
That Honda is a beaut!  :drif: Finally someone is stepping up to challenge KTM's dominance. I think it may take a couple of years though.

Kenisis, I really hope Sam does well too, talk to him and tell him not to ride 100% or we will kick his ass  :deal:

I think our friend Darryl Curtis is going to give it horns this year as well. He has the experience, finishing without injury this year and next year he is on a full blown factory bike. Watch this space.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: domstes on August 28, 2012, 04:52:59 pm
Wow Helder Rodrigues? Thats a surprise.

Brazilian Felipe Zanol is going to do well next year, I hope he gets a top five.

could this be the Honda machine to dethrone the Orange?  :mwink:
(http://www.enduro360.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/HM-Honda-CRE-F450X-AR12_4-Befurious.com_.jpg)

Do don't think so. It has been proven for at least the last two decades of the Dakar. You can not convert a enduro bike to a championship winning Rally bike. You have to build it from scratch as an rallye bike. And I mean from the engine up. All the bikes that have dominated the Dakar has been pupose built. Even the mighty BMW was bullt from scratch by HPN.  Take a 750 Super Tenere and put it next to the Yamaha twins that Peterhansel raced. It is two completely different bikes. The Cagiva Rallye bike and the Cagiva Elefant. You have to start with a clean slate. Event the KTM 950 Rallye and the KTM 950 AdvS  is two completely different bikes.

I hope some other manufacturers come too the party, but I do not think they take this race seriously. Not enough sales from this class of racing.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: White Rhino on August 28, 2012, 08:33:53 pm
BB The class of the top riders stands out as a category all on thier own. The video's just puts it out there - Thanks.

I think Darryl's a champ but this style of riding has not been riding focus. If he gets a top 10, that's a great achievement for him - same as a first for Marc or Cyril.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 06, 2012, 01:42:33 am
BB The class of the top riders stands out as a category all on thier own. The video's just puts it out there - Thanks.

I think Darryl's a champ but this style of riding has not been riding focus. If he gets a top 10, that's a great achievement for him - same as a first for Marc or Cyril.

You are so right, WR. I think Darryl is looking for a top ten, but his navigation might let him down. He is very focused this year in preparation for the Dakar, so I think at top ten is very definitely on the cards. Check this out:  :deal:

http://www.youtube.com/v/UNKnmXuLs1E&feature=player_embedded

Go Darryl baby!  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: wiledog_X on September 06, 2012, 11:47:43 am
nice one BB!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Motties on September 06, 2012, 11:48:41 am
The guy is a champ!!

My prediction before the 2012 Dakar was 15th for 2012 and top 10 for 2013. So he came 22nd this year, but I am sticking to my prediction for 2013.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on September 08, 2012, 11:44:17 am
From http://www.facebook.com/Rallyerider:

"Off to Nam for our Dakar road book training with Darryl Curtis, Riaan van Niekerk, David Reeve and Ingo Waldschmidt. About to shoot through Zeerust. Staying in Kang tonight and then Windhoek tomorrow. Will keep you all posted"

Let the sand games begin!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on September 08, 2012, 11:47:20 am
And from http://twitter.com/DarrylCurtisSA:

"Locked and loaded next stop Namibia ... Bring on them dunes !!! "
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 08, 2012, 04:28:29 pm
Damn, Im jealous
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on September 08, 2012, 06:22:16 pm
I know of the four South Africans training in Namibia, but they mentioned a David Reese that I did not know about. Turns out he is the very first Zambian to enter Dakar!
http://www.facebook.com/DakarDaveZambia?ref=stream
Go boy!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 08, 2012, 06:43:47 pm
:thumleft:

Great research there Steve! :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 08, 2012, 09:02:07 pm
That 450 Honda does look great, and my experience is that when HRC decide to take some title, they do it with astonishing efficiency. I do not class Helder in the same rider class as Coma and Despres, and if he took a backyard Yamaha to 3rd last year, perhaps Coma or Despres could have won on the backyard Yamaha?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 08, 2012, 09:30:12 pm
Hehe, Dan sorry to say but the Yamaha, is sluggish at high altitude, take it from me so I dont believe an alien could have won on a Yamaha.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: White Rhino on September 10, 2012, 05:25:42 am
BB The class of the top riders stands out as a category all on thier own. The video's just puts it out there - Thanks.

I think Darryl's a champ but this style of riding has not been riding focus. If he gets a top 10, that's a great achievement for him - same as a first for Marc or Cyril.

You are so right, WR. I think Darryl is looking for a top ten, but his navigation might let him down. He is very focused this year in preparation for the Dakar, so I think at top ten is very definitely on the cards. Check this out:  :deal:

http://www.youtube.com/v/UNKnmXuLs1E&feature=player_embedded

Go Darryl baby!  :ricky:
I spoke to Alfie Cox this weekend about Darryl's training, wondering if he's helping him prep - but he said he's doing his own thing. Alfie will hear this week if he's got a ride this year.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on September 11, 2012, 09:48:35 pm
From http://www.facebook.com/Rallyerider
"News from ‘Nam is that the boys have finished Day 1’s riding – 410 km of navigational intensity. There are two key elements that make Namibia such a good training ground for the Dakar – conditions are difficult, fast & uncompromising, and ...there are often plenty of navigation options around the little villages, many of which take you The Wrong Way. Regular visitors to Mozambique & Zambia will recognize this pattern, although it should be noted that trying to figure out where you’ve gone wrong while wringing the neck of a 45kW fire-breathing beast that’s trying to kick you off is a slightly more daunting prospect than stopping the Lexus to check the Garmin. I distinctly recall Glen struggling to navigate his way out of Joe’s Beerhouse in Windhoek some years ago, so trying to master the dreaded road book at pace is not an insignificant task. Anyone who’s read Race to Dakar will remember that this was the single hardest piece that Mr Boorman had to deal with. Well, right up until the point where he snapped his hand that is.

Helping Glen & Brett over the next few days is Namibian Ingo Waldschmidt. Ingo finished in a creditable 38th place in the 2011 Dakar, so hopefully he can impart some hard-earned knowledge about the challenges. Together with Darryl Curtis, Riaan van Niekerk, and David Reeve (all competitors in the 2013 Dakar), the boys have a tough few days ahead. The next three days will see them navigating various routes with multiple road books, starting from their base at the foot of Namibia’s highest mountain. Friday brings some dune training, and Saturday sees them charging back to Windhoek on a final 400km leg. That’s around 1840 km in total, hopefully not too much of which is spent lost & confused.
There are some brilliant pictures of the training available here: http://www.rallyerider.com/gallery.html
These next few days are key, before the team jets off to Australia again next week."
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on September 11, 2012, 09:54:47 pm
And from Darryl:
"The Namibian training is awesome, the terrain is similar to some of the Dakar stages in South America, the roadbook is great"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Rags on September 11, 2012, 09:55:39 pm
Great stuff!  :thumleft:
Keep it coming.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on September 11, 2012, 10:00:52 pm
I didn't see that we can get it straight out of the horses mouth at "Dakar 2013 Training in Namibia"  http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=106636.0
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 12, 2012, 03:15:45 am
Amazing....these guys spend a week in Namibia and Jet off to do a rally in Australia.....Living my dream!  :drif:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: White Rhino on September 12, 2012, 05:51:13 am
Amazing....these guys spend a week in Namibia and Jet off to do a rally in Australia.....Living my dream!  :drif:

2014 ....

Getting time off work and keeping the homefires burning while you train must be a huge hurdle. Not everyone has the luxury to skip work for such a long time.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Rallyerider 2 on September 18, 2012, 08:53:02 am
A sneak peak of our 2013 Dakar bike.......

(http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/564109_352944404791559_173750764_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Motties on September 18, 2012, 09:27:57 am
Oh my goodness!!!  :drif:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: bud500 on September 18, 2012, 11:09:21 am
 :drif: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Aquatic on September 18, 2012, 01:26:11 pm
A sneak peak of our 2013 Dakar bike.......

(http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/564109_352944404791559_173750764_n.jpg)

FYI That is not a HRC factory Honda but a GHR Honda from Australia.
http://ghrhonda.dirtbike.com.au/2011/11/come-and-see-ghr-honda-at-the-motorcycle-show/
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: mountainboy on September 18, 2012, 02:42:57 pm
nogal sexy!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on September 18, 2012, 07:08:41 pm
The "Back Off" stickers at the back are to warn aliens not to dare come past?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Breekbeen on September 18, 2012, 09:08:08 pm
Pic of Training
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on September 18, 2012, 11:19:49 pm
 :o great shot

That Honda looks sexy man.. WOW  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: White Rhino on September 19, 2012, 11:23:05 am
What a beaut!! That's a shot that makes you wanna ride :thumright:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 19, 2012, 03:16:59 pm
Rallyrider/Aquatic do you guys know what a bike like this from GHR will set you back for?


I'm curious to see what safariberg has been up to this year in comparison.


Rallyrider another question: What type of ICO have you got running there next to your cap repeater? Have you got a link to the manufacturer?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on September 19, 2012, 03:42:13 pm
Rallyrider/Aquatic do you guys know what a bike like this from GHR will set you back for?


I'm curious to see what safariberg has been up to this year in comparison.


Rallyrider another question: What type of ICO have you got running there next to your cap repeater? Have you got a link to the manufacturer?

Rallyerider 2 is down under for the Australasian Safari at the mo. You can find the ICO here (http://dirtbike.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=1278&category_id=218&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=6&vmcchk=1&Itemid=6). :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 19, 2012, 04:16:49 pm
Rallyerider 2 is down under for the Australasian Safari at the mo. You can find the ICO here (http://dirtbike.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=1278&category_id=218&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=6&vmcchk=1&Itemid=6). :thumleft:

Yip I know that but he seems to be posting.

Thanks for the link, it looks to be a great alternative to the normal ICO's  :deal: I especially like it that you don't have to switch between views.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on September 19, 2012, 04:25:25 pm
Rallyerider 2 is down under for the Australasian Safari at the mo. You can find the ICO here (http://dirtbike.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=1278&category_id=218&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=6&vmcchk=1&Itemid=6). :thumleft:

Yip I know that but he seems to be posting.

Thanks for the link, it looks to be a great alternative to the normal ICO's  :deal: I especially like it that you don't have to switch between views.

 :thumleft: Saw that. Nice feature. Have you looked at Tony Schattat's new ICO?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Aquatic on September 19, 2012, 04:36:42 pm
Rallyrider/Aquatic do you guys know what a bike like this from GHR will set you back for?


I'm curious to see what safariberg has been up to this year in comparison.


Rallyrider another question: What type of ICO have you got running there next to your cap repeater? Have you got a link to the manufacturer?

No idea!
But there have been some articals on those bikes in the Transmoto magazine a while back. I will have a look if they mention numbers. But they will most probably be unobtanium!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Breekbeen on September 19, 2012, 06:07:24 pm
Nog n paar.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 20, 2012, 01:47:03 am
Rallyerider 2 is down under for the Australasian Safari at the mo. You can find the ICO here (http://dirtbike.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=1278&category_id=218&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=6&vmcchk=1&Itemid=6). :thumleft:

Yip I know that but he seems to be posting.

Thanks for the link, it looks to be a great alternative to the normal ICO's  :deal: I especially like it that you don't have to switch between views.

 :thumleft: Saw that. Nice feature. Have you looked at Tony Schattat's new ICO?

Yes its also pretty good, nice n big.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Breekbeen on September 20, 2012, 06:30:11 am
 :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Kenisis on September 20, 2012, 10:53:58 pm
A sneak peak of our 2013 Dakar bike.......

(http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/564109_352944404791559_173750764_n.jpg)
Looking good. How much fuel are you guys running with, looks like 18 litres in the rear tank, how much in the front?

Can you post some pics of the nav tower brackets?

Cheers
Al
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Rallyerider 2 on September 21, 2012, 02:09:34 am
Hi guys

Will find out what make the ICO is, it works really well.

Fuel tank capacity is 19 at the rear and about 20 up front, giving you a really good range.

The bikes haven't had a final costing yet but should be just over R200k without Nav equipment.

Cheers
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on September 21, 2012, 08:10:43 pm
A sneak peak of our 2013 Dakar bike.......

Looking good. How much fuel are you guys running with, looks like 18 litres in the rear tank, how much in the front?

Can you post some pics of the nav tower brackets?

Cheers
Al

Got to love the "Dream Believe Achieve"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on September 21, 2012, 08:22:29 pm
Hi guys

Will find out what make the ICO is, it works really well.

Fuel tank capacity is 19 at the rear and about 20 up front, giving you a really good range.

The bikes haven't had a final costing yet but should be just over R200k without Nav equipment.

Cheers
I gather you are hiring the bikes for Dakar rather than buying them? Is the ~R200k the hiring cost or the purchase price? 
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 21, 2012, 09:28:03 pm
I think that would be for the purchase of the bikes.

Not much cheaper than a new KTM 450 RR (Euro 33K) then.

Well spotted on that Dream Believe Achieve!

I see that other 111 bike is a beaut!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Rallyerider 2 on September 22, 2012, 01:04:21 am
Hey guys

At R200k that is about R150k cheaper than the KTM.

The 111 bike is the bike we will be using at Dakar. That specific bike is being tested at the Australasian Safari as we speak for some more R&D.

Over and above the Honda being just over half the price of the KTM, a replacement piston doesn't cost R17k either.....

These Ausies have thought this one out really well. There will be absolutely NO added weight on the handle bars, the ERTF is off the bars. This is a big plus point on handling. The bike is really narrow and handles well. It also weighs less than the KTM

Cheers


Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 22, 2012, 01:24:41 am
Hey guys

At R200k that is about R150k cheaper than the KTM.

The 111 bike is the bike we will be using at Dakar. That specific bike is being tested at the Australasian Safari as we speak for some more R&D.

Over and above the Honda being just over half the price of the KTM, a replacement piston doesn't cost R17k either.....

These Ausies have thought this one out really well. There will be absolutely NO added weight on the handle bars, the ERTF is off the bars. This is a big plus point on handling. The bike is really narrow and handles well. It also weighs less than the KTM

Cheers

Sounds really good. I'll be curious to know what they have done with the suspension. BTW 111 is my number ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Africamike on September 22, 2012, 08:01:54 am
 :drif: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on September 22, 2012, 10:42:29 pm
Sounds really good. I'll be curious to know what they have done with the suspension. BTW 111 is my number ;D

Ah, so this is yours?

Wish it was mine.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Kenisis on September 23, 2012, 01:43:23 pm
Another 3 months  Till Dakar


Tic Toc Tic Toc!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on September 27, 2012, 09:53:38 am
And we're into double figures! :ricky: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 27, 2012, 03:35:19 pm
Word from the organizers is that they are worried the Peru legs will be too difficult, especially so early in the rally.

What this means is that we should see a 40% DNF rate by the time they get to Arequipa on day 3; and this will save them a lot of money in catering and logistics.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: White Rhino on September 28, 2012, 04:14:01 am
Word from the organizers is that they are worried the Peru legs will be too difficult, especially so early in the rally.

What this means is that we should see a 40% DNF rate by the time they get to Arequipa on day 3; and this will save them a lot of money in catering and logistics.

Take their money, knock em out early and bag the cash - sounds like french are getting into prostitution :peepwall: :laughing4:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on October 02, 2012, 10:54:17 am
Peekchas of the Honda works bike posted here: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=107579.msg2108219#msg2108219
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on October 02, 2012, 11:00:51 am
Five riders in the HRC Rally Team for Dakar 2013:

Helder Rodrigues
Felipe Zanol
Javier Pizzolito
Sam Sunderland
Johnny Campbell (Yes, the 11 times Baja winner) :mwink:

http://www.teamhrcrally.com/team-hrc-dakar/team/
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Aquatic on October 02, 2012, 01:59:42 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/J43g0kG6AXY
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Beserker on October 02, 2012, 11:57:11 pm
BTW 111 is my number ;D

Well, you share it with quite a few well know Seffricans, Greg Albertyn won the US MX on it a few years ago, and then there is my youngest:

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj26/Beserker_bucket/sh_00001_1-23.jpg)

Sure you'll do it proud  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on October 03, 2012, 03:06:36 pm
From Twitter a few days ago:

"Chaleco confirms @BordoneFerrari will drop Pharaons in favor of Morocco and that he will ride a KTM at Dakar instead of the BF Mi1."
Title: Making Dakar: Part One - The Plan
Post by: SteveD on October 24, 2012, 12:10:55 am
Making Dakar: A truly privateer Dakar story.

Making Dakar is a mini documentary following a British based privateer team, Delta Kunststoffe Husqvarna UK as they prepare for the World's toughest race in 2013, the Dakar Rally.
The first episode focuses on lead rider, Simon Pavey  :thumleft:, as he talks about the teams plans for 2013 and practices on the teams test bike.
Team Website - simonpavey.com
Film and Edit by Llewelyn Sullivan-Pavey. thatcamerakid.com

http://vimeo.com/51939819
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 24, 2012, 01:09:26 am
I love that video. Si Pavey is a helluva good guy always very relaxed even when changing an engine all by himself out in the dunes in the middle of the night! ;D


BTW the new Gas Gas rally bike hsould be intersting to watch. When I think of Gas Gas I think

(http://img01.mundodeportivo.com/2011/10/21/Laia-Sanz-piloto-de-trial-FOTO_54234975076_54115221157_400_640.jpg)

 :drif:

(http://www.enduropro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/laia_gasgas.jpg)

(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/60775_10151206754562943_121588333_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222480_10151206755262943_1098105038_n.jpg)

(http://www.soymotero.net/images/25608.jpg)

(http://www.soymotero.net/images/25609.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: White Rhino on October 24, 2012, 05:52:54 am
Burriful BB, the bike's also not bad :biggrin:

My second dirt bike was a 250 2-Stroke Gasgas - was huge fun :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: wiledog_X on October 24, 2012, 04:45:11 pm
i know it's not a bike.... but the 2013 Hilux is the BOMB!!  :drif:  Lexus 5lt. V8 engine, lower centre of gravity and wider body.... podium 1st place anyone?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/396185_10151156435476785_1107482056_n.jpg)

http://www.wheels24.co.za/Motorsport/Its-out-Toyota-Dakar-13-Hilux-20121023
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on October 24, 2012, 09:15:55 pm
The bikes are going to be amazing this year.. can't wait
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Aquatic on October 25, 2012, 01:50:01 pm
i know it's not a bike.... but the 2013 Hilux is the BOMB!!  :drif:  Lexus 5lt. V8 engine, lower centre of gravity and wider body.... podium 1st place anyone?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/396185_10151156435476785_1107482056_n.jpg)

http://www.wheels24.co.za/Motorsport/Its-out-Toyota-Dakar-13-Hilux-20121023

Dayum that thing looks the business!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 27, 2012, 01:52:50 am
i know it's not a bike.... but the 2013 Hilux is the BOMB!!  :drif:  Lexus 5lt. V8 engine, lower centre of gravity and wider body.... podium 1st place anyone?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/396185_10151156435476785_1107482056_n.jpg)

http://www.wheels24.co.za/Motorsport/Its-out-Toyota-Dakar-13-Hilux-20121023

Absaaalootely!!! :thumleft: You must hear the sound of that engine: THE BEST. I have a video clip of it when it was in Lima earlier this year; need to dig it up and post it.

Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Kenisis on October 28, 2012, 09:27:26 am
i know it's not a bike.... but the 2013 Hilux is the BOMB!!  :drif:  Lexus 5lt. V8 engine, lower centre of gravity and wider body.... podium 1st place anyone?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/396185_10151156435476785_1107482056_n.jpg)

http://www.wheels24.co.za/Motorsport/Its-out-Toyota-Dakar-13-Hilux-20121023

Absaaalootely!!! :thumleft: You must hear the sound of that engine: THE BEST. I have a video clip of it when it was in Lima earlier this year; need to dig it up and post it.
I wonder if Nasser Al Atiya will be driving one? He sounded very happy with the one that he used in Qatar early this year!

Post the Clip please?



Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: J3THRO on October 28, 2012, 09:48:12 am
I love that video. Si Pavey is a helluva good guy always very relaxed even when changing an engine all by himself out in the dunes in the middle of the night! ;D


BTW the new Gas Gas rally bike hsould be intersting to watch. When I think of Gas Gas I think

(http://img01.mundodeportivo.com/2011/10/21/Laia-Sanz-piloto-de-trial-FOTO_54234975076_54115221157_400_640.jpg)

 :drif:

(http://www.enduropro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/laia_gasgas.jpg)


(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/60775_10151206754562943_121588333_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222480_10151206755262943_1098105038_n.jpg)

(http://www.soymotero.net/images/25608.jpg)

(http://www.soymotero.net/images/25609.jpg)

Damn this Gas Gas looks lekker. One day when Im big I wanna feel what a factory prepped rally bike like this feels like. Just 10 mins...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Aquatic on October 28, 2012, 01:33:32 pm
I love that video. Si Pavey is a helluva good guy always very relaxed even when changing an engine all by himself out in the dunes in the middle of the night! ;D


BTW the new Gas Gas rally bike hsould be intersting to watch. When I think of Gas Gas I think

(http://img01.mundodeportivo.com/2011/10/21/Laia-Sanz-piloto-de-trial-FOTO_54234975076_54115221157_400_640.jpg)

 :drif:

(http://www.enduropro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/laia_gasgas.jpg)


(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/60775_10151206754562943_121588333_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222480_10151206755262943_1098105038_n.jpg)

(http://www.soymotero.net/images/25608.jpg)

(http://www.soymotero.net/images/25609.jpg)

Damn this Gas Gas looks lekker. One day when Im big I wanna feel what a factory prepped rally bike like this feels like. Just 10 mins...

Baie mense het n broek vol planne vir daai ry ding!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on October 29, 2012, 10:05:56 pm
Last recognition? I guess they drive the planned course and check whether anything needs to change.

http://www.youtube.com/v/e-WU1HwIUzU


And some roadbook preparation hints:

http://www.youtube.com/v/Rqx6tbhjYUk
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Kenisis on November 06, 2012, 12:31:10 pm
I found out that my Mate James West is also in the Dakare now. He got a Ride with a Sherco!

Well done Jamie!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Panne on November 06, 2012, 03:27:51 pm
I found out that my Mate James West is also in the Dakare now. He got a Ride with a Sherco!

Well done Jamie!


Nice!  :thumleft:

Some bad news: Bordone-Ferrari will most probably not be at the start line next year, as all their bikes, vans and equipment have been seized (http://quellidellafrica.myblog.it/archive/2012/11/03/bordone-ferrari-che-succedera-ora.html) by their creditors (link in Italian). They have 4 bikes left (probably KTM 450 RR's) which escaped seizure because they were at the chief mechanic's home in Spain. :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: blazes on November 06, 2012, 03:57:30 pm
I found out that my Mate James West is also in the Dakare now. He got a Ride with a Sherco!

Well done Jamie!


Nice!  :thumleft:

Some bad news: Bordone-Ferrari will most probably not be at the start line next year, as all their bikes, vans and equipment have been seized (http://quellidellafrica.myblog.it/archive/2012/11/03/bordone-ferrari-che-succedera-ora.html) by their creditors (link in Italian). They have 4 bikes left (probably KTM 450 RR's) which escaped seizure because they were at the chief mechanic's home in Spain. :-\

Sad news indeed ??? The bigger the competition the better the bikes will get.

Husky at the last race of the year 2 of their factory works bikes were --STOLEN --out of the park ferme  ??? ??? ???

So much for security --force you to leave your bike overnight and the next morning its gone  >:(
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: Beserker on November 06, 2012, 04:00:32 pm
... as all their bikes, vans and equipment have been seized (http://quellidellafrica.myblog.it/archive/2012/11/03/bordone-ferrari-che-succedera-ora.html) by their creditors (link in Italian).

Creditors are all alike, mine does the same ...  what happened to hallowed code of sportsmanship  ???
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on November 06, 2012, 10:19:28 pm
Now this is too much - a Smart Fortwo is entered in Dakar.
http://www.dakarsmart.com/
http://www.youtube.com/v/8ja-U3KosBs
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: SteveD on November 06, 2012, 10:46:07 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/ejY67ehxVkw
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: White Rhino on November 07, 2012, 04:37:22 am
Now this is too much - a Smart Fortwo is entered in Dakar.
http://www.dakarsmart.com/
http://www.youtube.com/v/8ja-U3KosBs
:spitcoffee: ... one in every family
Title: Re: Dakar 2013
Post by: atkinse on November 07, 2012, 07:34:58 am
That looks like  Polaris Razr XP Chassis.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 50 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Panne on November 15, 2012, 12:40:04 pm
Alex Zanotti's new TM for 2013.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 50 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 15, 2012, 05:37:44 pm
Flip that is nice.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 50 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 18, 2012, 08:37:30 pm
That is really drool worthy


For you rally freaks have a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/v/k2thf2NwMYE
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 50 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: mountainboy on November 19, 2012, 12:07:42 pm
wow, thanks BB, thats a great link - gonna download the entire thing for later viewing pleasure!!  ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 50 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 21, 2012, 02:22:09 am
To get you in the mood, the views of Cyril, Marc, Helder & Chaleco on the racing in the Desert an mental preparation for the Dakar while at the Morocco rally.

To quote our boy Rodriguez "You need to fark within the rally"  :imaposer:

http://www.youtube.com/v/URDMqgf9y10
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 50 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: White Rhino on November 21, 2012, 05:30:58 am
Thanks BB :thumleft: - I'm in the mood
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 50 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on November 21, 2012, 08:35:01 pm
I'm in the mood.... :lamer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 50 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 21, 2012, 10:45:42 pm
Hehe, Steve, I hope you are ready for the ADV F5 club...its pretty crazy in there 1,500 posts/day. I will be chasing the Peru leg and maybe some of the Chile leg of the Dakar on my 800, so all you wil get from me is the occasional tweet/post.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 44 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Panne on November 22, 2012, 01:53:37 pm
Breakdown of bikes by manufacturer:  :thumleft:

Beta2
BMW2
Bultaco1
Gas-Gas2
Honda38
Husaberg4
Husqvarna   11
Jincheng2
Kawasaki3
KTM66
Sherco4
Suzuki1
TM2
"X"1
Yamaha50

Total of 189 bikes. Honda, KTM and Yamaha make up just over 80% of the field. :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 44 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Beserker on November 22, 2012, 01:59:22 pm
Total of 189 bikes. Honda, KTM and Yamaha make up just over 80% of the field. :)

Podium should be interesting.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 44 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Aquatic on November 22, 2012, 02:44:54 pm
Carlos and Nasser buggies

http://www.marathonrally.com/news/dakar_rally_2013_now_official_sainz_and_al_attiyah_with_qatar_red_bull.22071.0.html
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 44 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: ChrisMann on November 22, 2012, 03:33:29 pm
Anyone know these guys? One of the budget teams. They decided to mod a KTM 530 into a 450. Would be great to follow their progress.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/3179/Motorcycle-Photo-Gallery/Project-Dakar-2013.aspx

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9B4RX9eHt4M/UK4lJPrMVRI/AAAAAAAAADk/JTuB2CHll0A/s640/team-photo.jpg)
The team for Project Dakar 2013, from left: James Aultman, Justin Maley (rider), JT Fortner, Charlie Sikes and Danielle Pray. The bike we have chosen is the tried and true KTM 530XCR-W. Of course we need to turn it into a 450 and then perform extensive modifications.


(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-jb-fRhqQWEQ/UK4notxp4gI/AAAAAAAAAEY/tcQdRjUuecg/s512/634671688741688684IMG_0353.jpg)
WYOTECH Eagle Tech Danielle Pray preps the KTM's frame for a coat of spiffy orange paint. As it was a used bike the frame had already taken a beating.  :mwink:


(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RGzL3ONOtFQ/UK4nVi2nxUI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/8Hg02xBCEQU/s640/634671689011885880IMG_0356.jpg)
Former Army Ranger, Charley Sikes, installs Motion Pro's REVOLVER throttle kit and tube on the handlebars before we throw it all back together next week and I start doing some riding.


(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m0lFUZBJ_RE/UK4n6jUNtZI/AAAAAAAAAEg/RXbOcg7DfcU/s512/IMG_0357-2.jpg)
Race Tech hooked us up with valving specs and their famous Gold Valve for testing


(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-VDC1MnJHwuE/UK4oRUel8XI/AAAAAAAAAEo/BwHlarb7TWo/s640/634671689311567643IMG_0355.jpg)
Eagle Tech, Thor Wright-Ruiz, displays his handiwork with the orange spray can. Doing things on a budget and getting it done the best we can is what it's all about at this stage of the game.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 44 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Panne on November 22, 2012, 03:57:34 pm
Anyone know these guys? One of the budget teams. They decided to mod a KTM 530 into a 450. Would be great to follow their progress.

Can't find Justin Maley on the entry list. Might be that his entry was not accepted. :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 44 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 22, 2012, 07:56:53 pm
Anyone know these guys? One of the budget teams. They decided to mod a KTM 530 into a 450. Would be great to follow their progress.

Can't find Justin Maley on the entry list. Might be that his entry was not accepted. :-\


Yes I thought he was not, have not seen much on his FB page either lately. :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 44 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Etienne2T on November 22, 2012, 07:58:42 pm
Meeting with Giniel in the next week or so to chat about his plans and preparations for dakar..look out for a nice little video :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 44 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 22, 2012, 08:08:46 pm
How about some predictions?

First of all I dont believe 2013 will be despres's year. Mudboy will either be DNF or in the first two places, I think the former. He has been flawless four years in a row - how much longer can he keep the rubber side down at those crazy speeds? He never has problems with his bike, surely I cant go on like that?

I think Coma is not as fast as he used to be either, but he is still way faster than everyone else. Certainly Coma and Despres have the most pressure on them, more especially Cyril, being suspicious about the No 1 and all. Bet you Marc does not agree to swap numbers like they did this year, just to screw with him. Cyril is quite a supersticious cat. Marc's problem is he is nursing an injury, but he should still come back strongly.

Dont forget all the fast young guys who are fighting for a top 10 now in competition with the old Boys:

Zanol
Pain
Sunderland
Przygonski
West (maybe not so young but oh, so fast)
Fishy
Botturi

The more experienced boys being

Gonclaves
Svitco
Faria
Pedrero
Casteau
Viladoms
Verhoefen
Fretigne
Ullevalsetter
Czachor

Thats 18 guys (I might be missing one or two) fighting for 4-10th place, and I think its going to be the really exciting part of the 2014 Dakar.

Then there is are these guys out of AUs and South Africa who arent exactly slow and have considerable experience in their own right.

Grabham
Strange
Curtis
Van Niekerk

Also guys like Pavey and Juan Carlos Salvatierra who seem to battle with mechanicals every year and otherwise could be in the top 20 easily enough. Its one helluva strong fild, the strongest by far in years and years. I think there is going to be a bit of a shake up shake up in the top ranks in 2013, with Cyril going out on a mechanical.

So here is my prediction list:

1) Coma
2) Rodriguez
3) Barreda
4) Viladoms
5) Zanol/Chaleco {I had to edit this, I forgot about Chaleco!}
6) Faria
7) Svitco
8) Sunderland
9) Przygonski
10) Gonclaves

11) Verhoefen
12) Pedrero
13) Ullevalsetter
14) Casteu
15) Curtis # 37
16) Pain
17) Czachor
18) Fretigne
19) Fish
20) Grabham


And since we are on it, I have a feeling all the South Africans will finish:

Riaan van Niekerk #40
Brett Cummings # 89
Glen Grundy #91

Not to forget our Namibian brother

Ingo Waldschmidt #101

and our Zambian Brother

David Reeve #102


Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 44 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Panne on November 22, 2012, 08:32:14 pm
Think my predictions will be pretty close to yours. I'll post them later cos typing with the left only, is slooooooow! ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 44 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Motties on November 22, 2012, 08:48:21 pm
Good luck to all the Saffers and neighbours

I really think (hope/ believe) that Darryl has now got the navigation thing sorted and that he can race at the pace that he is capable of. I also think (hope/ believe) that he is going to surprise a lot of us with an excellent result.

Can't wait
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 44 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Beserker on November 23, 2012, 08:02:15 am

So here is my prediction list: 


Mine....I prefer Como to Depres but there is no denying Depres' commitment to detailed preparation (physical, mental and mechanical), staying injury free and his consistency.
He fights his battles to win the war, and the Dakar is a siege  :thumleft:

Can't wait.

1) Rodriguez
2) Coma/Depres
3) Depres/Coma
4) Johnny Campbell/Barreda/Viladoms
5) Barreda/Johnny Campbell/Viladoms
6) Viladoms/Johnny Campbell/Barreda
7) Zanol/Chaleco
8) Chaleco/Zanol

The rest of the top 10:
Faria
Svitco
Sunderland
Przygonski
Gonclaves
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 43 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: madmax on November 23, 2012, 01:56:02 pm
got to say t5hat last years dakar was my very best i ever followed and all thanks to the ous on this list and the updates and times and pics etc they posted cos for me it was almost like being there
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 43 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on November 23, 2012, 10:53:30 pm
got to say t5hat last years dakar was my very best i ever followed and all thanks to the ous on this list and the updates and times and pics etc they posted cos for me it was almost like being there
I agree, last year's Dakar was the best. For those who don't remember the drama before the start:


Once the training was complete, the bikes were placed in a container to be shipped to Argentina, together with bikes from the Dakar Supporters tour. The riders would fly out just after Christmas, collect the bikes and be ready in time for pre-race scrutineering. That was the plan...
The first we, as detached Dakar-obsessed forum followers, heard that something was wrong was via Iain’s Facebook page on 20 December. Due to an issue with new cranes at one of the ports, the container with the four race bikes and the supporters’ tour bikes had been delayed by two weeks and had missed the boat to Buenos Aires. Frantic organisation involving the freight forwarder, government officials on both sides, customs, the Dakar organisers, basically anybody that anybody knew who might know somebody who could pull strings to get the bikes to the start on time, resulted in the container being loaded onto the Login Amazonia container ship bound for Buenos Aires.
To say that the schedule was tight was an understatement. The Login Amazonia was due to arrive in Buenos Aires at 11am on the day before the Dakar was due to start. The usual time to clear customs is two days. The ship had to get to harbour, dock, unload the container and get through customs, all in less than three hours. The bikes had then to be loaded onto a truck, driven 500km to the Dakar start, fitted with the necessary safety equipment, be presented for and pass scrutineering, all in less than 15 hours. It seemed impossible.
There was a queue of seven ships waiting to dock at the harbour in Buenos Aires. The time schedule simply did not have enough slack to allow for the ship to wait in the queue. This is where “Miracle Man” Iain pulled a hat out of the bag. Somehow, apparently by payment of a significant fee, Iain arranged for the ship to jump the queue.
The riders meanwhile continued with safety briefings and race registration, hoping for a miracle which would deliver the bikes to the start line on time.
Social networking and various forums came to life with people watching the progress of the Login Amazonia on-line, updating every two minutes. The mechanics had been dispatched to the harbour to collect the bikes, and we sat behind our keyboards and watched the ship crawl towards port. It was agonising!
Once the ship had docked, the riders were informed and immediately requested to update us on the progress through customs. The ship had docked 90 minutes late, leaving less than two hours to get through customs before the port closed. Iain kept us updated via Facebook "Container off ship on its way to customs .... Looking good"
Again the social networks and forums buzzed, and some doubters became believers.
And, then, about an hour later, the incredible news "We have just broken the Argentinian record for docking and clearing a container.....1hr10min .... Bloody hell I can't believe it... I honestly thought that it wouldn't happen....bring on Dakar!!!!"
Once the bikes had been loaded, it was a 500km journey to the start at Mar del Plata. Aart Bosman posted via Twitter (we were using ALL of the social networking tools by now) an apt description of the journey.
“At 15:30 we were finished loading of the engines and boxes of the riders. At 16:00 we left the heavily packed Buenos Aires. En route via various police checks and exchanging caps, T-shirts and lots of keyholders, Erik arrived at 20:45 to jubilant celebration from heavily emotional drivers. It showed it been worth all the effort.”
The Dakar organisers had agreed to accept the bikes for scutineering at 5am the following morning, only two hours before the start of the race. The team immediately set to work preparing the bikes, and the social media went quiet. We did not know for a few hours what was happening, or whether the boys had made it. And then the message from Darryl:
"It's been a late night. We've just had 2 hrs sleep. We got the bikes ready with the assistance of Marc Coma and Cyril Depres’ mechanics.... We've caused quite a stir in the Bivouac with our exploits... The Dakar organizers have been very accommodating allowing us to start. Looks like we're a go!
Four extremely relieved riders mounted up to start the Dakar rally, and my wife looked at me quizzically for dancing around my laptop with joy.


Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 43 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SpeedMetal on November 24, 2012, 12:59:09 am
Awesome machine
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 43 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: N[]vA on November 24, 2012, 03:42:10 am
http://soundcloud.com/radiorallymaniacs/21-11-cyril-despres

Cyril talking about prepping small details
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 43 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Africamike on November 24, 2012, 08:44:36 am
Can't wait......
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Panne on November 24, 2012, 03:06:54 pm
More pics from KTM's final testing conducted in the south of France  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SpeedMetal on November 24, 2012, 04:11:53 pm
Awesome pic of Riaan and Darryl
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SpeedMetal on November 24, 2012, 04:48:41 pm
I know there is a lot of non Depres supporters but this is quite good. Taken from Motorsport.com:"Cyril Despres preparing for Dakar 2013 – will he be the one who will win the fight against the desert again? While he was winning the Dakar in 2012 he now has to focus on the new challenge again and with the victory of the “Rallye Oilibya Maroc” - which is the last one before Dakar in the seasons’ schedule – he proofed to be well prepared"

Check out the awesome vid on: http://www.motorsport.com/dakar/video/main-gallery/rally-dakar-2013-cyril-despres-profile/
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 24, 2012, 05:12:25 pm
Awesome pic of Riaan and Darryl

+1 :thumleft:

I think Cyril is a bit of a pratt, but he is an AMAZING rider.

Here is the South American Hero, got to love the video

http://www.youtube.com/v/yBsB2hFuk1g


And then a new lady to follow from Chile.  :mwink: Sounds like she has the right attitude, she explains she has no plans to beat Laia Sanz, just to finish.

http://www.youtube.com/v/Q8YBztpxO5U

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Bullit on November 24, 2012, 08:13:27 pm
Does anybody know if Alfie is competing this year? What happened to the Pewano?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: buzzlightyear on November 24, 2012, 09:03:30 pm
I see Nasser and Carlos Sainz have new VW buggys for 2013.

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Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 25, 2012, 06:03:01 am
I dont know about Alfie, I dont see his name on the list. :dontknow:

The Pewano was a once off done on the dream of a late sponsor who always wanted to see a volvo competing.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: MrBig on November 25, 2012, 11:13:55 am
crap this thread will be bad for my productivity the next 6 weeks!  :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on November 25, 2012, 05:16:00 pm
crap this thread will be bad for my productivity the next 6 weeks!  :)
and  then what about the race?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Bullit on November 25, 2012, 05:21:43 pm
Has anybody got a list of this years South African competitors, SA linked riders/Drivers or SA built vehicles to look out for?

Here is what I have so far.

Bikes:
Darryl Curtis
Riaan Van Niekerk
Bret Cummings

Cars:
DE VILLIERS Giniel (ZAF)
VON ZITZEWITZ Dirk (DEU)

VOS DUNCAN (ZAF)
HOWIE ROBERT (ZAF)

Team Overdrive Toyota:
ALVAREZ LUCIO (ARG)
GRAUE RONNIE (ARG)

VAN MERKSTEIJN PETER
CHEVAILLIER EDDY

WINTENBERGER STEPHANE
DELLI - ZOTTI Thierry (FRA)

MALYSZ ADAM (POL)
MARTON RAFAL (POL)

MCREAE:
VAN STADEN JOHAN
LAWRENSON MIKE

http://www.marathonrally.com/news/dakar_rally_2013_459_competitors_starting_list_and_details_released_by_aso.22069.0.html

What happened to the Century Racing guys, are they going to compete this year?
What is happening with Evan Hutchkinson as he won free entry into this years Dakar?
No Alfie Cox? :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 25, 2012, 05:59:14 pm
My prediction; 1. Frans Verhoeven,
                      2. Olivier Pain,
                      3. Whoever,
                      4. Ditto.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on November 25, 2012, 07:23:37 pm
My prediction; 1. Frans Verhoeven,
                      2. Olivier Pain,
                      3. Whoever,
                      4. Ditto.

Nice one Dan. I hope Frans has a better ride than his last one when he dumped it off the stage!  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 25, 2012, 08:04:40 pm
Bullit you forgot Glen Grundy on the bikes.

Dan, you love to stir ;D Frans is a really nice guy and a great rider, maybe he will do things on proper factory supported bike this time - Like Kenisis says- thats if he doesn't crash on the starting podium.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Paydirt on November 25, 2012, 08:38:10 pm
Cool countdown timer here   ;D ;D

http://www.teamhrc.com/ (http://www.teamhrc.com/)

Can't wait  :drif:

http://youtu.be/rW2L9oLqz28 (http://youtu.be/rW2L9oLqz28)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on November 26, 2012, 05:56:52 pm
Cool countdown timer here   ;D ;D

http://www.teamhrc.com/ (http://www.teamhrc.com/)

Can't wait  :drif:

http://youtu.be/rW2L9oLqz28 (http://youtu.be/rW2L9oLqz28)

These boys mean Business! in less than 39 Days they will be off on the Dakar Rollercoaster and just to make sure that all is working out ok they will do 4000km test next week in the US!

Go Boys!

If you dont have wings you are never gonna Fly!

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f279/txlildevil/honda_logo.jpg)

Disclaimer: I too have an Orange bike BWAHAHA :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 26, 2012, 11:39:20 pm
Cool countdown timer here   ;D ;D

http://www.teamhrc.com/ (http://www.teamhrc.com/)

Can't wait  :drif:

http://youtu.be/rW2L9oLqz28 (http://youtu.be/rW2L9oLqz28)

These boys mean Business! in less than 39 Days they will be off on the Dakar Rollercoaster and just to make sure that all is working out ok they will do 4000km test next week in the US!

Go Boys!

If you dont have wings you are never gonna Fly!
Disclaimer: I too have an Orange bike BWAHAHA :peepwall:

Nothing to be ashamed of ;D

PIN IT!

(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/2013-ktm-rally-team-photos/2013-ktm-rally-team-10.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: White Rhino on November 27, 2012, 04:33:26 am
I will be cross border until the 7th Jan - I can see my data costs blasting up there where Felix Baumgartner leaped from, trying to track the Dakar progress :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on November 27, 2012, 03:33:38 pm
Last year proved that it is possible to scrutineer bikes at 5am before a 6am start. But there is actually another way..
Very cool video, origonally posted on http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=773954

http://www.youtube.com/v/3DKXq-5T9cg
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on November 27, 2012, 03:35:36 pm
And an overview of the stages, from the same forum:

http://www.youtube.com/v/ylNmPOzpM28
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Jakes001 on November 27, 2012, 04:36:10 pm
Can't wait... It's going to be awsome
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: White Rhino on November 28, 2012, 04:03:57 am
You can taste the dirt and get a good sense of eating dust in this video ..... and keep you in the mood  :biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/v/qTuIye1liWI
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Supermoto on November 29, 2012, 03:10:29 pm
 >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Supermoto on November 29, 2012, 03:11:44 pm
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Snafu on November 29, 2012, 03:17:21 pm
I hope the other manufacturers can give KTM a run for their money. It will really spark things!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 05, 2012, 04:29:50 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/4M7iXhTqSSA
Comment on YouTube - "After watching this video you will realize that you (and me) drive like a pussy..."  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: White Rhino on December 05, 2012, 04:43:24 pm
Yowser Yowser ... bit of a promo shoot but non-the-less get's the saliva and hormones fired up :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Malibu on December 05, 2012, 04:46:03 pm
16 days till the end of the world... whatchu lot getting excited about?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on December 05, 2012, 07:04:47 pm
I see Robby is in!

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee13/sesteaga57/ROBBY-1.jpg)
 Courtesy Marathon Rally!

Dakar Rally 2013: Robby Gordon enters Dakar again with Hummer H3 Proto.
 

 

 
 
Fresh from Dakar 2012 where he was ranking 2nd overall, Robby Gordon enters with a Hummer which, following preliminary checks, fulfills all regulatory requirements. The American will be at the starting line on 5 January and adds his name to the list of contenders for the title.

Francis Ford Coppola had Matt Dillon say "Don't you know a rumble ain't a rumble without me?" just before the final scene of the film Outsiders. It is exactly in this spirit that Robby Gordon has been simmering away for several weeks whilst awaiting the official confirmation of his participation in Dakar 2013.

Whilst the necessary checks were being carried out on a Hummer that had been disqualified in 2012, the American looked on from afar at the crews who would be competing for the title in a few weeks’ time. Just like his teammate from last year Nasser Al Attiyah and the returning Carlos Sainz, both equipped with brand new buggies, the Californian showman will come to challenge the Minis of Stéphane Peterhansel and Nani Roma.

The H3 that sparked debate in 2012 has been vetted in the workshops of Charlotte: it has been initially declared fit to jump in the dunes of Peru, Argentina and Chile, between 5 and 20 January next year. Gordon, who will be displaying race number 315 on his car in Lima, also aims to improve on the 3rd place gained in 2009, at the first South American Dakar.

The "rebel" will be flanked by his co-pilot in 2011, Kellon Walch. But with the sheer amount of buggies and 4x4s capable of competing at the highest possible level, places on the podium carry an even higher price tag.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 05, 2012, 08:02:28 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/eo8QPlyR3vA

From www.simonpavey.com:

Making Dakar Part Two focuses on the unseen side of being a privateer team in the Dakar, the preparation. Whilst many of the big teams in the Dakar have full time employees working on their race projects, every member of Team Delta Kunststoffe Husqvarna UK have full time jobs, meaning that only evenings and weekends are left for building bikes, packing parts, stripping spare bikes, organising logistics, media and training and testing.

The second part of the series also introduces two new faces, team mechanic Evan Davies and the team driver and logistics expert, Paul Green. Both Paul and Evan have had an incredible amount of work on their hands to get the bikes and assistance vehicle for the riders Simon and Don.

The episode also looks into what goes into to training for a grueling race like Dakar and how difficult it is for privateers to make sure they are fully prepared for the difficulties ahead.

Filmed and Edited by Llewelyn Pavey
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: wiledog_X on December 06, 2012, 12:03:05 am
I see Robby is in!

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee13/sesteaga57/ROBBY-1.jpg)


good!  :thumleft: like him or hate him, he's a tough competitor and sure entertains the crowds!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 06, 2012, 01:49:32 am
I see Robby is in!

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee13/sesteaga57/ROBBY-1.jpg)


good!  :thumleft: like him or hate him, he's a tough competitor and sure entertains the crowds!!

YEs, hes a rogant SOAB, but he is great to watch  and his fighting spirit and carpe diem makes him one of my fav. competitors. Just very scarey to be near on a bike.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: White Rhino on December 06, 2012, 05:04:43 am
16 days till the end of the world... whatchu lot getting excited about?
Who says they don't have a Dakar in the hereafter?

Better tell Mark to get his refund from the Amageza - let's go drinking :biggrin:

And means I don't have to buy Xmas gifts this year :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 41 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on December 06, 2012, 12:34:00 pm
I see Robby is in!

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee13/sesteaga57/ROBBY-1.jpg)


good!  :thumleft: like him or hate him, he's a tough competitor and sure entertains the crowds!!

YEs, hes a rogant SOAB, but he is great to watch  and his fighting spirit and carpe diem makes him one of my fav. competitors. Just very scarey to be near on a bike.....
I agree with you but he is so charismatic that he has brought hundreds of thousands new supporters to the Dakar!

My theory. The more that watch, The more for TV rights and eventually entry fees go down!

Slurghhh........ Sorry i woke up from my dream!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: bmad on December 06, 2012, 12:54:32 pm
sorry if i missed it, but why is the Dakar not starting on New Years day like always?

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 06, 2012, 04:22:41 pm
Kenisis I like your theory, if it only were not for the greedy frenchies!

Bmad, this year its starts on the 5th Jan, I believe so that there is one more week for the coastal mists to burn off.


In other news Brazilian Felipe Zanol and British Sam Sunderland in the Honda Factory team are out, both while doing final testing of their Hondas in Southern California.


Sam crashed "through no fault of his own" shortly after starting out and broke his wrist.  :-[ He is understandibly devastated.

It gets worse: Felipe crashed at 100km/hr hitting his head and was airlifted to San Felipe, where I believe he has come out of an induced coma and is apparently responding but its too early to know the full diagnosis.  :'( Sounds very serious.

We are waiting for an official statment from Honda.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 06, 2012, 04:37:38 pm
In other news Brazilian Felipe Zanol and British Sam Sunderland in the Honda Factory team are out, both while doing final testing of their Hondas in Southern California.
Sam crashed "through no fault of his own" shortly after starting out and broke his wrist.  :-[ He is understandibly devastated.
It gets worse: Felipe crashed at 100km/hr hitting his head and was airlifted to San Felipe, where I believe he has come out of an induced coma and is apparently responding but its too early to know the full diagnosis.  :'( Sounds very serious.
We are waiting for an official statment from Honda.

Eish, this is not good news  :o
Not good for the riders, not good for Honda, not good for the WAGs of prospective future riders, not good for the race.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 07, 2012, 01:14:39 am
It hasnt been confirmed but I believe the incidents were unrelated. Sam's incident did not involve another rider though. :dontknow:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: White Rhino on December 07, 2012, 05:44:58 am
A huge blow to the participants, sport and the team - to get that dished out weeks before the event is devastating.

Hope Felipe is ok.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: alanB on December 07, 2012, 07:55:32 am
Excitement is building!

Glad Robbie is back.  He's an arrogant ego maniac.  But he has balls and I loved his response to their stupid disqualification fiasco last year :thumleft:  He has my support just for that!  And who doesnt love watching  that monster truck floating along at high speed?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on December 07, 2012, 01:49:46 pm
It hasnt been confirmed but I believe the incidents were unrelated. Sam's incident did not involve another rider though. :dontknow:

 It sounds like a Broken wrist and broken arm. They are going to operate on him in the US.

As sad dissapointment for Sam! Sammy my boy we all Feel for you! get well Soon!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: wiledog_X on December 07, 2012, 09:02:00 pm
another lady rider from Chile - Josefina "Kuki" Gardulski, No. 117 on a WR450. good luck lady!!!  :thumleft:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/299951_457296330996346_1860869622_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 10, 2012, 08:51:07 pm
Twitter reports that Sam Sutherland had a successful operation on a broken scaphoid (little bone in the hand), and that Felipe Zanol is out of the coma.

Then from advrider.com - "Have heard a little whisper the Jake Smith will ride at Dakar to fill in for Sam. Looks like they will be taking five riders ?"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: XRBradman on December 10, 2012, 09:00:58 pm
Can't wait
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: wiledog_X on December 13, 2012, 02:04:32 pm
from Darryl Curtis' FB page....  https://www.facebook.com/DarrylCurtisSA

Poster 20hrs ago
"Thanks Pipeline productions for the awesome interview this morning ! A one hour show will be broadcast on Supersport on the 28th December, with highlights form all our Dakar training trips including Botswana, Namibia, Morroco and France. I will post times and repeats as soon as I have them. We will also be running a Facebook competition as soon as all the supporter shirts are in your hands ... thanks everyone !!!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/413030_371236029634526_327776979_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 13, 2012, 06:09:44 pm
Jordi Viladoms Dakar 2013 Presentation

Today in Barcelona, Bordone-Ferrari refugee, Jordi Viladoms presented his team structure for attacking the 2013 Dakar rally. Pulled together in the eleventh hour, Viladoms gathered the support of BMW Barcelona to secure a Husqvarna TE499RR  :thumleft: from Speedbrain and a support package through Tamarugal XC out of Chile who provides the support and logistics for a number of competitors including Chaleco Lopez and Daniel Gouet.

The big news emerging from today’s presentation is the continuation in a sporting manager role for fellow Bordone-Ferrari refugee, Jordi Arcarons. Arcarons continues his strong support and guidance of Viladoms as the pair of Jordi’s try to keep the 2012 momentum going. 2012 was a banner year for Viladoms finishing fourth in the Dakar Rally and winning the Sardegna Rally on his way to second in the FIM Cross Country Rallies World Championship standings a mere six points behind champion and fellow Spaniard, Marc Coma.

Jordi Viladoms flanked by his mechanic, David Palmada and manage, Jordi Arcarons
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 13, 2012, 06:36:59 pm
What you really, really don't need to look like just before Dakar. Sam Sutherland still looking upbeat.....
The lady with him is Johnny Campbell's wife, him of the "I was Robby's navigator last Dakar but this time I've decided it's safer on a bike"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on December 13, 2012, 07:02:42 pm
What you really, really don't need to look like just before Dakar. Sam Sutherland still looking upbeat.....
The lady with him is Johnny Campbell's wife, him of the "I was Robby's navigator last Dakar but this time I've decided it's safer on a bike"
Chatted to Sam last night on FB, Poor guy is shattered. Doc says he is out for 3 months. All this due to a Broken Scaphoid, There is never really a good bone to break but as far as hands go its probably the worst!

Get well Soon Bud!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 13, 2012, 11:12:49 pm
Some updates from Brett and Glen busy with final training in Namibia:

"The sand in these dunes is the softest we have ever seen. Really hard work! Glen is a little stuck here...."
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 13, 2012, 11:14:35 pm
"Trying to recover Glen's bike into the dark. Called off the mission after the nuclear buggy got stuck. Night time dune riding is twice as hard!!"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 13, 2012, 11:18:42 pm
"De-Sanding the bike"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 13, 2012, 11:20:19 pm
"That is how much sand came out of the pipe"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 13, 2012, 11:21:55 pm
"This is how soft the dunes are in many places. Really hard work!"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 13, 2012, 11:23:41 pm
"Brett on the start of the night stage. Headlight-on, helmet light-on, instrument and roadbook lights-on! ready to go!"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 13, 2012, 11:25:33 pm
"Helmet light wired to run off the bike's power from the navigation tower.
Conclusion after stage...... you never want to have to do this! Really difficult and dangerous! You can not pick your lines properly, you can't judge your speed when cresting the dunes from the blind side and you can not pick a landmark to follow your compas bearing.
Rule for Dakar - ride fast enough to finish in daylight!"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 14, 2012, 03:03:59 pm
So I have some good news, and a question.  ???

I know Darryl Curtiss very vaguely, I guess like a lot of people that claim to know him. He might even remember who I am every now and then.
I contacted him to confirm what I may and should not do regarding Dakar coverage. I thought he might have agreements with sponsors, for example, and would prefer for all publicity to be via a website that gives the sponsor visibility.
Turns out this is not the case, and he is very happy if we go nuts reporting on this site from whatever sources we can dredge up! Cool  :thumleft:
Even better news is that Darryl plans to call in daily (not to me, to somebody else), and send updates via Twitter, which is great.

So now the question - I doubt whether Darryl is a Wilddog, but would it be acceptable if I bugged him to stick a paw on his race bike? I would understand if he was not so keen to do so, in fact I would kinda expect that given the price that is being paid for advertising on such low-flying, high-visibility front running bikes  ;D, but should I ask? Or would I be breaking all sorts of forum rules?  :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 15, 2012, 03:40:20 pm
From Darryl via Twitter:
"The Dakar ferry has docked in Peru, our bikes have made it ! No more stress like last year !!!"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: White Rhino on December 16, 2012, 07:01:07 am
Sounds fantastic Steve. A WD paw would represent a big SA fan base :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Welsh on December 16, 2012, 07:20:06 am
Sounds fantastic Steve. A WD paw would represent a big SA fan base :thumleft:

It would be awesome, it would make an old man proud and somehow feel part of it 8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Welsh on December 16, 2012, 07:21:31 am
I supose we can expect the usual lousy coverage of the event again here ::)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on December 16, 2012, 01:37:46 pm
"This is how soft the dunes are in many places. Really hard work!"
I hope that this is not a sign of things to come  for them in the Peruvian Desert! 30 km could turn into it feeling like 3000 km!

BB what is the Desert like there?huge soft pockets formed by high winds? Or is it generally Compacted and Stable?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 16, 2012, 09:46:18 pm
For the die-hard Dakar followers:
From Hayduke on advrider.com:


Looks like a few people already found the F5 tee shirt ordering page. I hadn't posted it yet, because I've had to re-think printing dates. I may do an early printing if I have time, but it may have to be one big printing at the end of the race. You can order now, but the printing will be in January! The wording on the page will change, but here's a link anyway...
http://www.fattees-printing.com/Team-F5/index.html
Proceeds will help the site a little; hope to send a decent check to Baldy as a thank you for giving us a place to discuss the greatest race!

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 16, 2012, 09:59:17 pm
Interview with Toby Younger about Dakar 2012. This guy is incredible, and the video shot from the helicopter of him parked at the top of a sand dune is breathtaking. From 2min38sec omn the second video.

http://www.youtube.com/v/u1vA8MGfd7s

http://www.youtube.com/v/p06C16lQYNQ
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: See Duiwel on December 16, 2012, 10:06:13 pm
sapskraaib
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 16, 2012, 10:46:14 pm
Some more of the exploits of Toby Younger and his riding partner Jago. The interesting bit starts from 22min 10 sec.
These guys don't know what giving up means!

http://www.youtube.com/v/PkXAYUg9BJ0
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 17 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: White Rhino on December 19, 2012, 03:12:52 pm
Jago and Toby were pretty upbeat considering what they endured - damned cool interview :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 17 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on December 19, 2012, 04:02:08 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/jQ6D-VMZ6kM?hl=en_US&version=3

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 17 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 19, 2012, 05:59:53 pm
From advrider.com, and the guy who posted this knows what he is talking about so I reckon it's credible:

"The breaking news of the day is that Marc Coma may not be fit enough for Dakar. He is dropping all appearances this week to concentrate on rehabbing his shoulder and is holding a press conference on Friday to make the official determination. Word is it's not looking good."
 :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 17 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on December 19, 2012, 06:04:12 pm
From advrider.com, and the guy who posted this knows what he is talking about so I reckon it's credible:

"The breaking news of the day is that Marc Coma may not be fit enough for Dakar. He is dropping all appearances this week to concentrate on rehabbing his shoulder and is holding a press conference on Friday to make the official determination. Word is it's not looking good."
 :o

Sad if its true! ill hold thumbs for Orange boy!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 17 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Africamike on December 19, 2012, 06:14:28 pm
Subscribed! Watching 2012 highlights a little earlier on SS.  Can't wait for 5 Jan  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 17 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Panne on December 19, 2012, 07:44:51 pm
From advrider.com, and the guy who posted this knows what he is talking about so I reckon it's credible:

"The breaking news of the day is that Marc Coma may not be fit enough for Dakar. He is dropping all appearances this week to concentrate on rehabbing his shoulder and is holding a press conference on Friday to make the official determination. Word is it's not looking good."
 :o

Definitely credible. Original article here (http://motor.as.com/motor/2012/12/19/mas_motor/1355920313_057407.html) and translation here (http://rallyraidreview.tumblr.com/post/38303491496/marc-coma-is-in-serious-doubt-for-the-next-edition-of)  :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 19, 2012, 11:01:27 pm
Thats a nice video, thanks SteveD.

I always wanted to hear the story from Jago's point of view.

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (NEWSFLASH!!! COMA MAY BE OUT FOR 2013) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: wiledog_X on December 20, 2012, 01:48:23 am
it sucks if Coma won't be there.......  :(

this from Darryl Curtis' FB page:

"Our rally website www.broadlinkktmrally.co.za has been revived for 2013 with a nice new feature called phone to blog, you will be able to hear our daily interviews first hand ! There will also be a daily press release and pics."
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (NEWSFLASH!!! COMA MAY BE OUT FOR 2013) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 20, 2012, 08:19:56 pm
From Rallyrider FB page:
"These 4 bikes fly out tomorrow am. The 4 GHR Honda mounted riders will be Todd Smith, Warren Strange, Brett Cummings & Glen Grundy with the mad Paul Smith on a Quad. The rest of the equipment was shipped out last month. 2 weeks until we fly out to Lima for the start of the Rally Dakar on 05 January 2013"

The cockpit photo looks interesting. A kill switch sticking out on the right hand side? And sticking out of the left, a camera? I guess they won't be there for the race, they look a bit vulnerable.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (NEWSFLASH!!! COMA MAY BE OUT FOR 2013) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 20, 2012, 08:27:03 pm
Summary of the road book tulips and abbreviations that we will be using at Dakar.
(look down, read acronym, translate from French, try to figure out what they meant, correlate the distance with the ICO distance and correct where neccessary, before missing the point of what was meant and ending up in a ditch, all done at breakneck speed. Respect  :notworthy: for rally riders)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (NEWSFLASH!!! COMA MAY BE OUT FOR 2013) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Panne on December 21, 2012, 10:11:50 am
Confirmed: Coma is out!  :(

http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2012/12/20/actualidad/1356030682_850007.html
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (NEWSFLASH!!! COMA MAY BE OUT FOR 2013) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: cocky on December 21, 2012, 10:23:56 am
Confirmed: Coma is out!  :(

http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2012/12/20/actualidad/1356030682_850007.html
Now the French organisers don't have to pull tricks to get a French rider to win, like they did in last years event.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Operator on December 21, 2012, 10:24:36 am
Damn.............so Coma is out.  This will take a bit away from the spectacular fighting between the frontrunners


I've got a gutfeeling about Helder Rodriques this year.  

He and that new Honda.................they gonna make a huge impact.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Beserker on December 21, 2012, 10:29:57 am

I've got a gutfeeling about Helder Rodriques this year.  


 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 21, 2012, 11:09:02 am
So the plan was Marc Coma supported by Juan Pedrero, and Cyril Despres supported by Ruben Faria.
With Mr Coma out, I guess somebody gets promoted from water carrier to #2 rider. Juan Pedrero would be my choice, but who rides as his water carrier? Could Darryl be asked to fulfil that role?
I wonder.....

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on December 21, 2012, 11:23:19 am
So the plan was Marc Coma supported by Juan Pedrero, and Cyril Despres supported by Ruben Faria.
With Mr Coma out, I guess somebody gets promoted from water carrier to #2 rider. Juan Pedrero would be my choice, but who rides as his water carrier? Could Darryl be asked to fulfil that role?
I wonder.....


I dont think that would be allowed as they both have different sponsors which could lead to a whole myriad of legal problems. They will probably call on a rider in the up and coming ranks!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 21, 2012, 03:55:48 pm
Damn.............so Coma is out.  This will take a bit away from the spectacular fighting between the frontrunners

I've got a gutfeeling about Helder Rodriques this year. 

He and that new Honda.................they gonna make a huge impact.


+3

I have a feeling that this might not be KTM's year....

The replacement rider is Kurt Casseli (USA), but I cant see if he has any previous rally experience?!  :eek7:

Surely Pedrero will be allowed to give it full gas for a change. Im sure he is delighted - It will be interesting to see how he goes.

Cyril will have it easier for sure, but he could become complacent or something could happen to this engine. Grasping at straws I know - He is a brilliant rider.

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: See Duiwel on December 21, 2012, 09:44:43 pm
Sien julle nou? Dis nou wat jy kry as die mannetjies nie brandewyn drink nie, klomp pissies!
As ek en Fender nou net nie so besig was die tyd vd jaar nie













Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 21, 2012, 10:39:49 pm
Sien julle nou? Dis nou wat jy kry as die mannetjies nie brandewyn drink nie, klomp pissies!
As ek en Fender nou net nie so besig was die tyd vd jaar nie

 :imaposer:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on December 21, 2012, 10:58:16 pm
Sien julle nou? Dis nou wat jy kry as die mannetjies nie brandewyn drink nie, klomp pissies!
As ek en Fender nou net nie so besig was die tyd vd jaar nie



Ja ou groot bek, Daar is ander rallies die jaar vol, ons wag vir julle twee om saam met ons te deel neem!
 :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 22, 2012, 12:21:14 am
Well if any of you thought that the Baja was as tough as the Dakar, here is the proof that its not, from the horses mouth.

http://www.race-dezert.com/home/robby-gordon-qa-2013-dakar-rally-37211.html

And if youre serious about racing (cars), Robbies team is up for sale for only 5 million dollars.  :biggrin:  :deal:

Come See Duiwel, I would love to see you behind the wheel of a hummer.  ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Breekbeen on December 22, 2012, 09:37:39 am
Hope the bastard gets stuck in mud on the first stage, he is just to cocky.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: White Rhino on December 22, 2012, 09:45:04 am
Marc will be missed ... Pity
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 22, 2012, 09:51:23 am
RallyRaidReview Interview Series with Chavo Salvatierra

http://www.rallyraidreview.com/post/38478061804/one-singular-focus-one-massive-effort
He's on a Honda, he lives in Bolivia, he did well at Pharoah's, and his goal is to have "alien speed” within 4 years  :imaposer:
Got to like the guy. Great interview.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 22, 2012, 09:56:35 am
An interview with Kurt Caselli, the guy who replaced Marc Coma.

http://vurboffroad.com/blogs/kurt-caselli-take-dakar/1189/
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: See Duiwel on December 22, 2012, 04:55:49 pm
Hope the bastard gets stuck in mud on the first stage, he is just to cocky.


Ag nee wat, ek like ou Robbie. Hy is maar windgat maar gee die duiwel wat hom toekom. hy kan kar ry!!
Hy sorg altyd vir bietjie meer as die gewone. Sal defnitief moet DSTV kry voor die 5de.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 30 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 22, 2012, 08:04:16 pm
Sounds fantastic Steve. A WD paw would represent a big SA fan base :thumleft:
It would be awesome, it would make an old man proud and somehow feel part of it 8)

Since the suggestion to try to get Wilddog paws  :paw: onto the Dakar bikes went down OK, I figured I should give it a go. Actually finding paws proved to be a bit of a challenge, but Schlowy came through - and he wouldn't accept payment either. I went with the small paws - I reckon the sponsors that are actually paying should not be overshadowed. So I paid Darryl a visit, and asked him to consider a paw on each bike. And he actually said he would. Lekker.
This morning I was at Bandit Signs again, to pick up a T-shirt. Both Darryl and Riaan were there, and they both confirmed that they would put the paws on their race bikes (provided they don't lose them beforehand   ;D )


WILDDOG PAWS WILL BE ON DAKAR RACE BIKES this year!


Next step is to work on Brett and Glen.......
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: sidetrack on December 22, 2012, 08:23:12 pm
Well if any of you thought that the Baja was as tough as the Dakar, here is the proof that its not, from the horses mouth.

http://www.race-dezert.com/home/robby-gordon-qa-2013-dakar-rally-37211.html

And if youre serious about racing (cars), Robbies team is up for sale for only 5 million dollars.  :biggrin:  :deal:

Come See Duiwel, I would love to see you behind the wheel of a hummer.  ;)
Gordon not really a team player is he  :biggrin:

RDC: You only have one vehicle this year, why is that?  Could it be a disadvantage for this race?

Robby: Well if I am going to base it off of last year I think it will be an advantage because we would have personally won three or four more specials if I didn’t pull Nasser out of the mud or pulled him through finishes because he over-reved the engine and popped the alternator belt off of it.  You know, if we didn’t help him for the first three days we would have won every special right in the beginning as well.  I would like to run two cars, it’s good for business, but as far as the performance side of it I’m going to say last time was a total distraction.


Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: White Rhino on December 23, 2012, 06:41:37 am
Sounds fantastic Steve. A WD paw would represent a big SA fan base :thumleft:
It would be awesome, it would make an old man proud and somehow feel part of it 8)

Since the suggestion to try to get Wilddog paws  :paw: onto the Dakar bikes went down OK, I figured I should give it a go. Actually finding paws proved to be a bit of a challenge, but Schlowy came through - and he wouldn't accept payment either. I went with the small paws - I reckon the sponsors that are actually paying should not be overshadowed. So I paid Darryl a visit, and asked him to consider a paw on each bike. And he actually said he would. Lekker.
This morning I was at Bandit Signs again, to pick up a T-shirt. Both Darryl and Riaan were there, and they both confirmed that they would put the paws on their race bikes (provided they don't lose them beforehand  ;D )


WILDDOG PAWS WILL BE ON DAKAR RACE BIKES this year!


Next step is to work on Brett and Glen.......
Awesome Dude .... Nothing like Paw paw on pumpkins  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 23, 2012, 07:08:45 am
While we are waiting for the start here is something I put together that I think you might enjoy of us chasing the Dakar earlier this year. Some personal video footage, some shots and a few scoop interviews.  :deal:

http://www.youtube.com/v/NtpRTuauh3M

http://www.youtube.com/v/UXRu7SDGZVY

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Brandt on December 24, 2012, 10:44:15 am
While we are waiting for the start here is something I put together that I think you might enjoy of us chasing the Dakar earlier this year. Some personal video footage, some shots and a few scoop interviews.  :deal:
Thank you!!! Awesome footage  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: bmad on December 24, 2012, 01:13:44 pm
Nice footage BB.

So double yellow lines means overtaking  >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 24, 2012, 02:25:52 pm
Nice footage BB.

So double yellow lines means overtaking  >:D

The boys are limited to 100km/hr on the liaisons or face big time penalties, so it was amazing to see their skills keeping the bikes to that speed on the twisties and when passing some took serious chances. I was surprised to learn that the dakar bikes were able to corner harder than me on my 800 despite the knobblies. Of course wanting to capture the essnce and true spirit of the moment I had to take a few chances myself as the faithful cameraman. ;D You'll note that you cannot see what numbers these guys were wearing so that the guilty involved get no comebacks from the ASO. I can verify that the two riders in question I was following were in the top 15 in the rankings as well.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on December 24, 2012, 05:23:27 pm
Nice footage BB.

So double yellow lines means overtaking  >:D

The boys are limited to 100km/hr on the liaisons or face big time penalties, so it was amazing to see their skills keeping the bikes to that speed on the twisties and when passing some took serious chances. I was surprised to learn that the dakar bikes were able to corner harder than me on my 800 despite the knobblies. Of course wanting to capture the essnce and true spirit of the moment I had to take a few chances myself as the faithful cameraman. ;D You'll note that you cannot see what numbers these guys were wearing so that the guilty involved get no comebacks from the ASO. I can verify that the two riders in question I was following were in the top 15 in the rankings as well.

I can see them giving it stick and then stopping every so often to calm the monkey butt!

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Cracker on December 24, 2012, 06:24:21 pm
Even better than the real thing  :thumleft:

Nice work BB
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (CONFIRMED!!! COMA IS OUT) (ONLY 16 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 24, 2012, 10:15:34 pm
Some insight on what the days before the start of Dakar feel like, from Ned Suesse (aka Neduro), a first-timer from last year:

"I want to add a little color commentary this year for those of us at home. Today seems like a great day to start. Merry Christmas/ Happy Holidays!
What's it like to be one of the people destined for the start line in 12 days time? I can only share my own experience, but I imagine many people are feeling similar so here goes.
For years, you've dreamed of this race. For months, you've been absolutely dedicated to every aspect of getting to the start. For weeks, much of that effort has been behind you, so you find yourself in an uncomfortable place where there's nothing left to do, except fret about the details. With each passing day until the start, the feelings get stronger.
For me, and I imagine for many first timers, this calm before the storm is at least as great a challenge as anything in the race itself. It's easy to feel like there's been some mistake, like the whole plan that seemed so glamorous months ago when the first check went in is destined for failure. If someone had offered me a time machine, I would have been sorely tempted to undo the whole thing.
But of course, that's only half the story. The other half is the excitement of what is to come. You know that no matter what, you're about to do something you've been dreaming about, about to live big days you'll remember the rest of your life. And you know you're going to get to ride your motorcycle, and hopefully, that's something you love to do.
I can only guess how it is for the pilots who are returning. For everyone, I think Dakar is about pushing boundaries- of speed, of endurance. I imagine the guys at the front have a parallel duality to newcomers- both fear and the excitement for speed.
Whatever the halves are called, the reality is that they balance one another to some extent but don't cancel each other out. The trepidation is real and it's big, and so is the excitement, and the sum of the two means your nervous system is set to 11.
In a few days time, scrutineering will start and everyone will slide under the bubble that is Dakar... but for now, the bubble hasn't been inflated yet, and you are left to imagine. As any lingerie designer will tell you, the imagination is a powerful thing."

 
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 27, 2012, 11:42:52 pm
So how's this for the latest rumour:
Cyril Despres will be signing with Honda, and Honda will drop Helder Rodrigues.
Now that would make it interesting.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20340292&postcount=638
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: arrowfeather on December 28, 2012, 10:59:25 am
subscribe
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 28, 2012, 06:52:34 pm
Bivouac GPS waypoints, with distances as well as the assistance vehicle route between them.
So the bikes race 4146km and commute 4277km, with the cars and trucks very similar.
I see day 1 special stage is all of 13km long.

And the assistance vehicles do 5711km in 15 days, with the longest day 711km. Tempting.....

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: See Duiwel on December 28, 2012, 08:52:19 pm
Weet enigiemand watse snaakse inskrywings daar die jaar is? Ek dink nou aan die 2stroke bike en die elektriese kar wat die vorige DAKAR gedoen het.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 29, 2012, 08:33:56 am
Two guys riding Chinese Jincheng bikes, although that isn't so unusual.
Another two on BMW G450X's. also not so unusual except they are out of prodution.
Then there is Ignacio Chivite. Bike out of production doesn't seem to be an issue for him, because he is back on his Bultaco - the same bike as he rode in 2011, now 35 years old.
In 2011 he was eliminated after six days. Apparently he didn't sleep for the last three of those days. This year he has a support team to do his bike maintenance for him, and the bike is better prepared (better fairing, tanks, bash plate) The first photo is what the bike looked like in the 2011 attempt, the second one is what it looks like now.
I truly hope he makes it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: See Duiwel on December 29, 2012, 12:27:16 pm
Thanx
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 29, 2012, 02:56:06 pm
I don't follow the cars much, but there are a few interesting ones.
José Luis Álvarez is entered in a Smart ForTwo, although it is actually an XP 900 Polaris with bits of a Smart body attached, rather like the Mini's have very little in common with your run-of-the-mill Mini.
More admirable are the teams from Race2recovery. "24 men and women, most veterans of the US and British armed forces and most of them wounded in battle"

“Race2Recovery was started when a team of wounded soldiers was inspired to take up cross-country racing to raise money for a service charity that helped them during their recovery. Spurred on by Row2Recovery, Race2Recovery wanted to be part of the hugely successful effort to inspire other service personnel and the wider disabled or disadvantaged community by doing something great.”
The team consists of UK Captain Tony Harris who hopes to be one of the first amputee drivers to complete an international rally; his co-driver is Corporal Tom Neathway, a triple amputee. The team manager is Warrant Officer Class 1 Andrew Taylor, who sustained back injuries after a suicide bombing in Afghanistan.
Corporal Gareth Paterson of the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers will manage the team's race equipment while mechanic Sean Whatley will keep the vehicles running. Captain Matt O'Hare will also drive with partner Phillip Gillespie, who lost his leg in battle.
Pierre de Frenne and Cathy Derousseaux are part of the group, as team principal and co-driver respectively. Injured United States servicemen include Marine Staff Sargent Mark Zambon, who lost both legs in an IED blast and countryman Corporal Tim Read.
Non-military members include mechanic Dave Reece, veteran racers Ben Gott, Chris Ratter and Justin Burchall.
Race2Recovery will field five vehicles, four Land Rover Defender-based Wildcats in the T1 category, as well as a Renault Kerax truck in the T4 category. Two 8x8 support trucks will support the team with tools, spares and bivouac equipment.
Recently, 11 of the team members drove an eight-hour stint from Marrakech, Morocco through the Atlas Mountains and on to the Algerian frontier. The competitors camped out overnight, like they will do during Dakar, and found out how snow, sand and dust affected their artificial limbs."


They might not have legs, but they've got balls!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 29, 2012, 06:34:44 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/TALMbI-E7Ro
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 30, 2012, 01:27:47 am
gREAT STUFF SO FAR STEVE!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 30, 2012, 12:40:21 pm
gREAT STUFF SO FAR STEVE!  :thumleft:
I can't wait!
I did make a mistake - the Smart car guys didn't raise enough money, so they won't actually be there.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: madmax on December 31, 2012, 10:52:29 am
oh man oh man ..hats off to them race to recovery...make onse oscar look like a little boy i reckon (",)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 31, 2012, 02:23:00 pm
Some more insight from Neduro about what the riders feel like right now.

One year ago today, I was shitting bricks.
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/221/asmallpartofthebivouaca.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/843/asmallpartofthebivouaca.jpg/)
A small part of the bivouac at the start...

In Dakar time, I'm a few days early since scrutineering hasn't started yet for this year's race, but perhaps we'll stay ahead to give a sense of anticipation for what's coming.
The scale of the race is hard to explain to those who haven't seen it, especially in America. Picture the pits at an AMA National roadrace or MX or SX... that's a tiny fraction of what's at the Dakar. The race vehicles at any of these events measure up, but the support behind them in Dakar is off the charts of any event I've seen here.
As a racer, my first interaction with the scale of it all left me feeling completely out of my league. The people are friendly, the actual steps to accomplish are within reach one by one, but walking for 10 minutes in a straight line thru an unending display of male-awesome-tech-fast-ness (I'm inventing a word from the primary components) leaves you feeling awestruck... and wanting more.
Scrutineering is very systematic. You're given a card with a lot of empty boxes, your job is to walk around and get a stamp in each one. No one is allowed in, so it's a great chance to meet and chat with the other racers.
(http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5468/neduro.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/neduro.jpg/)

Each of those stamps indicates a function completed- from payment for the race, to medical insurance and what information they are allowed to release to the press, to a class on the GPS and sensitive cultural areas in Peru. The staff are nothing short of incredible- fluent in at least 3 languages (French, Spanish, English, and usually German, Portuguese, and others as well), efficient, and helpful.
Once you are scrutinized, it's time for your bike. Our heroes this year- Lyndon #168 and Kevin #186 already did this in Le Havre, but I had not. Here I am going thru with Quinn Cody.

(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6611/bikescrutineering.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/bikescrutineering.jpg/)

The process is simple- they go thru the rulebook and check off that each requirement is there. The sense I had was they were trying to help me thru, not find fault. You also sign up for Elf Lubricants if you are so inclined, get numbers installed on your jacket if you, like me, didn't have something pre-printed (I wore an off-the-shelf Klim jacket), get the various required stickers (for ASO sponsors), and eventually, park your bike in Parc Ferme, where you cannot touch it until the race begins.

Beyond the obvious, the function of all of this is to draw you in under the bubble of the race. You are awestruck by the size and budget and organization of the teams, and of the ASO itself, and suddenly, you aren't some oddball, you are surrounded by your own. Everyone here has spent their entire year getting ready for this, knows the long nights and and empty checking accounts that you are so familiar with. Everyone here gets the dream, no having to explain it 28 times in a row at a dinner party. For me, the effect was that I wanted to belong in this crowd, and I wanted to still be under the bubble two weeks from now.

And I wasn't sure if I belonged there. So now we're full circle, to where this started... nervous anticipation.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 31, 2012, 02:48:34 pm

From Darryl's blog (http://www.broadlinkktmrally.co.za/broadlink-ktm-rally-home/index.html)

By the time this is published, Riaan and I will have landed in Buenos Aires enroute to Lima with just a few days between us and the start line of Dakar 2013. It’s been a crazy year – juggling business, training and just the preparation for a project as enormous as Dakar. Not that I’m complaining. After 25 years of racing this is the realizing of my dreams and something that would never have been possible without the help and commitment of Mike Brown and Broadlink.

But this year is something different. After last year’s race, Mike said, “let’s go back with two riders”. The financial commitment is massive, Broadlink more than doubled their sponsorship, we started talking to KTM and soon enough, Riaan and I had secured full blown Factory rides alongside Marc Coma, Cyril Despres, Juan Pedrero and Ruben Faria. Our relationship with KTM Rally boss, Alex Doringer, goes back to 2000 when I raced my first Erzberg and thanks to Alfie Cox, we have built up a great friendship with the team and they welcomed us aboard. Emperors Palace also doubled their commitment from 2012, Grindrod Logistics watched all the drama unfold when my bike almost never made it last year and came onboard right from the start with a generous number, at the same time Leader Tread approached us and wanted in, followed by MTN. All of a sudden the numbers made sense and we started the ball rolling.

Riaan’s practice bike arrived and soon enough we had them branded and started training. First up was the Marrakech Rally, where we rented two well used KTM 450’s that had been converted into rally bikes. I won the rally and Riaan finished sixth, this was his first taste of a proper rally and he was a bit rattled, by the navigation side of things. It was a “lite rally” but still a great training exercise. This was followed by a 2500km stint through Botswana, then we entered the Sun City 400 Off Road National. The next trip was Namibia, Ingo Waldschmidt and his team had prepared a 2000Km round trip all on road book, from Windhoek to the Brandberg mountains, where we concentrated our efforts over three days before heading down the west coast to Swakopmund, where we trained in the dunes for two days. The Komashochland pass took us back to Windhoek. Nothing beats the long miles and hours in the saddle, ride time is everything. Then it was off to Erfoud in Southern Morocco for the Rally of Maroc, which is the second biggest rally in the world next to Dakar. It is also used as the testing ground for all the factory teams, we set our brand new bikes up in the Marzouga dunes and ran them in at the same time. The six day rally was tough to navigate, but we still managed to finish 14th and 15th overall.

You simply can’t beat experience and with the top guys having 12 years of rallies on us, it’s really tough to learn everything in a year and be competitive. We got some in depth explanations of how hard the Pro’s work to hone their navigation skills before the big event. Most of them spend weeks at a time in places like Morocco riding old Dakar routes, which they all have on road book, David Casteu even bought a house there, Helder Rodrigues has been seen riding in the middle of the desert completely alone, rallies really are about navigation. I wish we had existing road books at home to practice on, but we don’t and the effort to make them is huge, costly and time consuming.

After Morocco, the bikes went back to the KTM Factory in Austria, where they were thoroughly checked and fitted with new engines. Our old engines were rebuilt and will be our spare engines, which we will change on the rest day. We then flew to Toulouse in the south of France where we met up with the team again and ran our new engines in, did some final suspension tweaks and the team photo shoot. We got home just three days before the Roof of Africa in Lesotho and had pretty much no preparation time, luckily I’ve done it a few times before … around 20 haha, and soon got into the rhythm finishing in fourth place. Riaan finished ninth, it was a boost for our confidence as it showed that all our training had paid off and our physical condition is where it should be.

During the last few months the Rand weakened against the Euro and so our budget took a bit of a hiding, leaving us R250 000 short. Instead of bothering our already generous sponsors, we advertised our supporter’s shirts on Facebook for 200 bucks to see if anyone would buy them. The response was incredible and within three days we had sold 700 shirts …WOW thanks everyone! We will continue to sell the shirts in January and will kick start a competition on my Facebook athlete page (www.facebook.com/DarrylCurtisSA). The best pics will win prizes - we need to be entertained whilst over there, so we are looking for any kind of funny or dumbass pics, but you have to be wearing a supporters shirt and post the pic on my page.

A big thanks to Werner from WBE Formworks for the generous donation towards our shortfall!

 I hope to keep everyone in the loop this year, with what’s going on amd this is the plan. After we have ridden each day, we will make a call to a Belgium number on the sat phone supplied by SAT-COM in Namibia, thanks Dave! The service is called phone to blog and the voice recording will be posted on our website www.broadlinkktmrally.co.za, anyone can listen to them. A press release will be written each day and posted on motopics for the journalists to pick up. This will then also go out to Twitter and Facebook with the help of Lara and the Nomadik Tents crew.  So thanks again for the awesome support and a Happy New year to everyone.

DC
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Post by: SteveD on December 31, 2012, 03:41:38 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/-KIgW5LUHTY

Interesting stuff from Simon Pavey.
The picture below is cut from the video, and zoomed in a bit on the instruments.
The yellow circle is around what looks like the ERTF SPOC 201 Odometer, Speed data, COG repeater (http://www.ertf.com/uk/detail.asp?num=169)
I gather this is an optional piece of kit, and can be purchased beforehand?
The white circle is around what looks like a Trailtech unit? $110 versus $320 for an ICO is a good argument, but I wonder whether it will last.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 31, 2012, 07:41:06 pm
Rally navigation fascinates me, even though I have never actually tried it.
The image below is from (I think) Marc Coma's bike from last year, with comments that I added about what I could find out about the various nav bits.
Absolutely fascinating! How they manage to run all of this while belting along at Mach 2 I have no idea....

Please correct me if I got anything mixed up?

Have a look also at http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16350944&postcount=61
 
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on December 31, 2012, 10:12:03 pm
From Darryl:
"Sneak preview of the podium, Lima is getting ready! Happy New Year to everyone at home, our new year will be your 7am tomorrow morning !"
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Post by: SteveD on December 31, 2012, 10:17:44 pm
Dakar Bike porn

Rider is Frenchman Hugo Payen. http://elcomercio.pe/dakar2013/1516426/noticia-actriz-porno-se-lucira-nuevamente-moto-dakar states that the porn star is supporting him to the tune of $20k Euros, "including the presence of the actress."
Appropriate race number.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 01, 2013, 07:23:04 pm
Some more insight from Neduro:

Now is the time for competitors when little details start going crazy. You've invested something closer to the value of your home than the value of your car to be here, you've been preparing every waking minute for a year... should I carry this or that just in case? These questions will drive you mad. They fade once the race gets going, but in the days leading up, they seem overwhelming.

At the same time, there's lots to do. Dealing with the ASO, sorting out the support truck, last minute details that weren't done before shipping... the hours are full.

The dice have been cast... now to see how they land.
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Post by: SteveD on January 01, 2013, 07:26:42 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/yLoIp_p0nHI

http://www.youtube.com/v/cMOlCUUQNsk
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Post by: SteveD on January 01, 2013, 10:24:51 pm
The ADV Rider Dakar thread is up. Have a look at http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=852309, but we warned! It is severely addictive. Last year's thread was 976 pages, 14,634 posts, and nearly 1.1 million views. They call it the F5irehose because trying to keep up is kinda similar to drinking directly from a firehose.

(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4821/f5irehose3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/f5irehose3.jpg/)

(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2554/f5irehose2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/f5irehose2.jpg/)
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Post by: SteveD on January 01, 2013, 11:56:25 pm
Some photos from David Reeve, the first ever Zambian Dakar rider.
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 02, 2013, 05:15:16 am
SteveD you are doing a fantastic job with this thread so far, with a lot of original Southern african content which is very cool. THANK YOU!! :thumleft:

The ADV Rider Dakar thread is up. Have a look at http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=852309, but we warned! It is severely addictive. Last year's thread was 976 pages, 14,634 posts, and nearly 1.1 million views. They call it the F5irehose because trying to keep up is kinda similar to drinking directly from a firehose.

I could not agree more. You need to be able to keep up with 1,500 posts/day to follow it all, and it is also unofficially the most followed thread by the competitors and teams themselves because a ton of infomation from the field comes straight into this thread from people out there scattered all over the route each day.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: alanB on January 02, 2013, 08:18:12 am
Rally navigation fascinates me, even though I have never actually tried it.
The image below is from (I think) Marc Coma's bike from last year, with comments that I added about what I could find out about the various nav bits.
Absolutely fascinating! How they manage to run all of this while belting along at Mach 2 I have no idea....

Please correct me if I got anything mixed up?

Have a look also at http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16350944&postcount=61
 

Thanks this is very interesting.

I'm still debating what I really need for the Amageza.  Those ICO's are so bloody expensive.  It will be very interesting to see whether that TrailTech Vector lasts the race (although I suppose we may never know).  I keep wandering why someone doesnt develop a digital road book, so we can dispense with the paper its so last century  :biggrin:  I suppose the market is too small to warrant the development costs.  (I wander if you get an iPad enclosed in a suitable mount would last a race?  Then all you would need to do is develop a suitable app?)

The Dakar is just one hell of a race!  Its just amazing the level of sacrifice and investment the guys make to participate!  I wander if there any other comparable sporting events?

Starting to get butterflies myself.  :P

Hope Daryl and Riaan do well and get home safely.  Also hope the Honda and Husky teams do well.

Its a great pity about Marc Coma, but it will be interesting to see if anyone can step and offer some real competition to Cyril.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 02, 2013, 09:02:15 am
I keep wandering why someone doesnt develop a digital road book, so we can dispense with the paper its so last century  :biggrin: 

http://shop.touratech.com/tripy-ii-gps-digital-roadbook.html
This seems to be aimed at touring rather than rally. I gather the assistance vehicles at Dakar are using a version of the Tripy this year to navigate their assistance route.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 02, 2013, 09:17:28 am
SteveD you are doing a fantastic job with this thread so far, with a lot of original Southern african content which is very cool. THANK YOU!! :thumleft:
Thanks. I suffer (just a bit) from a weird fascination with this race, so if I'm overdoing it tell me to shut up!

I missed Brett and Glen at the airport yesterday, so the opportunity to have Wilddog patches on their bikes is unfortunately gone  :-\

They have arrived safely and are busy prepping their bikes.
"Final bike preparation in the basement parking of our hotel for technical inspections in the morning."

Interesting little "glove compartment" just in front of the seat....
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Post by: Kenisis on January 02, 2013, 09:45:41 am
I keep wandering why someone doesnt develop a digital road book, so we can dispense with the paper its so last century  :biggrin: 

http://shop.touratech.com/tripy-ii-gps-digital-roadbook.html
This seems to be aimed at touring rather than rally. I gather the assistance vehicles at Dakar are using a version of the Tripy this year to navigate their assistance route.

Most of the field in a rally are wannabees! And Wannabees happen to fall. Imagine your ipad upfront while you get thrown off the bike and  Smash!

 We discussed this with ASO at the Desert challenge and if all fails you must still be able to get yourself to the end or to service. If you have a power issue all can go dead an this will render you blind. Unfortunately for now Paper is here to stay!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: alanB on January 02, 2013, 12:04:15 pm
I keep wandering why someone doesnt develop a digital road book, so we can dispense with the paper its so last century  :biggrin: 

http://shop.touratech.com/tripy-ii-gps-digital-roadbook.html
This seems to be aimed at touring rather than rally. I gather the assistance vehicles at Dakar are using a version of the Tripy this year to navigate their assistance route.

Most of the field in a rally are wannabees! And Wannabees happen to fall. Imagine your ipad upfront while you get thrown off the bike and  Smash!

 We discussed this with ASO at the Desert challenge and if all fails you must still be able to get yourself to the end or to service. If you have a power issue all can go dead an this will render you blind. Unfortunately for now Paper is here to stay!

Actually the more I think about this the more I thinks its the future.

All these tablets have long lasting batteries, so they will continue operating even if the bike's electrics fail, they have nice high res screens, and have wifi and bluetooth that will enable remote control handle bar devices.  They are about the right size.  They would do very well as the main component of a digital road book.

You get rugged cases for them which should help them survive dirt, water, vibration and knocks etc.  http://www.padgadget.com/2012/08/07/top-5-rugged-cases-for-ipad/

All you need to do is develop a roadbook app which I'm sure is probably underway somewhere already.

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 02, 2013, 04:15:01 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/QxqxbE6FRDo
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Post by: SteveD on January 02, 2013, 09:54:14 pm
News from Brett Cummings & Glen Grundy from Lima:
"Landed at 9pm Lima time last night after a 17 hr travel via Sau Paulo. Arrived to find the race mechanics doing the final preparations for technical inspections that were supposed to take place at 11 but team manager went and arranged to do them at 3pm. Bikes are now prepared and ready to go and the excitement is really building now.
Also just found out that we have a normal backup truck that follows the service crew route as well as a backup truck that is in the race following us. That is a huge bonus!!!"
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Post by: SteveD on January 02, 2013, 09:58:06 pm
From Darryl via Twitter, about 40 minutes ago:
"At last I found my baby !! Yee hah"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 02, 2013, 10:18:10 pm
My fascination with navigation equipment continues.
The photo below is of Kevin Muggleton's bike.
The combination switch on the left is from F2R (http://www.rallymanagementservices.com/collections/frontpage/products/combo-switch-for-roadbook-and-ico-upgrade)
The mirrors look like Doubletake mirrors (http://www.doubletakemirror.com). Very cool, these, by the legendary Neduro.
It looks as if he has the GPS mounted on top of the Iritrac, all on the handlebars? That I havn't seen before.
On the tower he has the F2R roadbook (http://www.rallymanagementservices.com/collections/universal/products/f2r-rb730-roadbook-reader-with-led-light) and the standard ICO. Looks like he is running a single ICO.
Top right I guess is a CAP repeater, but I'm not sure which one?
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Post by: SteveD on January 02, 2013, 11:00:44 pm
This is what Mr Muggleton will be carrying in his jacket.
First aid kit, money (extraction funds), lighter (why?), two torches, lightstick, compass, what looks like a flare?, signalling mirror, emergency blanket.
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Post by: SteveD on January 02, 2013, 11:13:32 pm
Looks like he is running two LED lights. Baja Designs Squadron Combo LED, I believe, going for a mere $300 each! 3600 lumen and 42W each. (http://www.bajadesigns.com/ProductDetail/660052_Squadron-Led-Driving)

Nope, I had that wrong. I think he has two Rigid Industries D2 LED Lights  (http://www.rigidindustries.com/D2-p/d2.htm) $199 each, 2600 lumen, 28W each.
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 03, 2013, 04:55:01 am
I keep wandering why someone doesnt develop a digital road book, so we can dispense with the paper its so last century  :biggrin: 

http://shop.touratech.com/tripy-ii-gps-digital-roadbook.html
This seems to be aimed at touring rather than rally. I gather the assistance vehicles at Dakar are using a version of the Tripy this year to navigate their assistance route.

Most of the field in a rally are wannabees! And Wannabees happen to fall. Imagine your ipad upfront while you get thrown off the bike and  Smash!

 We discussed this with ASO at the Desert challenge and if all fails you must still be able to get yourself to the end or to service. If you have a power issue all can go dead an this will render you blind. Unfortunately for now Paper is here to stay!

I agree with this, and its good to hear ASO are keeping it simple. No disrespect to Al's opinion, but ipads and fancy nav gear (Ive even heard of heads up displays!) does not beat basic paper navigation with colouring in exersizes each night before. Besides a lot of the top guys do things very differently and I believe that gives them the edge.

As soon as it goes electronic, not only will it add to the cost, but there will be ways for guys to hack the data and turn it into a pink line. What you suggest is a just move away from the skill and if that is going to happens, you may as well just follow the pink line on a gps in that case. Didn't we discuss this in the 2012 Amageza thread already?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 03, 2013, 05:56:25 am
Thanks. I suffer (just a bit) from a weird fascination with this race, so if I'm overdoing it tell me to shut up!

I missed Brett and Glen at the airport yesterday, so the opportunity to have Wilddog patches on their bikes is unfortunately gone  :-\

They have arrived safely and are busy prepping their bikes.
"Final bike preparation in the basement parking of our hotel for technical inspections in the morning."

Interesting little "glove compartment" just in front of the seat....

You are not overdoing it at all...Just make sure you get enough sleep before the 5th: chasing that F5 thread is like riding the rally itself.  :whip2:  >:D

The glove compartment is for the daily "race card" which is handed to each rider as they leave the bivouac on their start time. On it is the race number and at each checkpoint it must be produced and stamped.

This is what Mr Muggleton will be carrying in his jacket.
First aid kit, money (extraction funds), lighter (why?), two torches, lightstick, compass, what looks like a flare?, signalling mirror, emergency blanket.

Yes its a flare. One is a torch the other is a strobe light. These are all safety items required by the ASO per the Dakar regulations. They must be produced by the competitors at scrutineering and they are also checked from time to time at certain points in the rally. Not having them on the bike means you can failed at scrutineering and may not enter the race and/or penalties.

The Dakar is just one hell of a race!  Its just amazing the level of sacrifice and investment the guys make to participate!  I wander if there any other comparable sporting events?

Hope Daryl and Riaan do well and get home safely.  Also hope the Honda and Husky teams do well.

Most international FIM rallies are similar to the Dakar, but not as long/hard. In their own rights they are pretty serious endevours. Kenisis prepared for months  for the Abu Dhabi desert challenge, and that preparation and same level of sacrifice is needed. Of course the Dakar is really the pinnacle for those who have the financial means, phsical endurance and mental drive to actually go out and challenge themselves to do something totally committing and overcome the mosyt gruelling rally in the world; to be one of only 65-95 people on the planet to finish on a bike.

The organisation, privately owned and called Amuary Sport Organisation (ASO) does not expect most of the entrants to finish; their aim is to welcome them (and their money) at the start and clinically reduce the costs by removing competitors by attrition in the the first 3-7 days. They have budgeted for this too with smaller and smaller bivouacs each day. ASO are brutal with the application of the rules. If you arrive more than 30 minutes late at your start time, you will be disqualified. After the rest day they sometimes relax the rules a bit for the non professional riders and even allow exceptions, like for guys who have ridden all day and night for 2 days just to stay in the rally - These are the true heroes of the Dakar. So the competitors become a kindred group of survivors against insane odds, and this is what makes the rally so fascinating to follow to me. Its also the spirit of the Dakar. 

This year I predict Stage 2 & 3 are going to be absolute killers in the dunes. Last year they shortened these stages to make them easier so that 47% of the riders could still finish!

The marketing is unbelievable and ASO have positioned themselves over the other rally organisers by requiring the countries in which it is run to pay 1 million dollars per stage, and two million dollars for a start or finish to be held in that country.  This provides a robust budget for the rally to operate, I see their biggest costs are transport (of all 700 vehicles organisation and competitors ) from France, insurance, the salaries around 1000 people many full time, and the helicopter costs (they have 14 helicopters running everyday), the data tracking systems, communication and satelllite phone systems. After that its all cream, because all the organisation vehicles are sponsored food is sponsored etc.

Looks like he is running two LED lights. Baja Designs Squadron Combo LED, I believe, going for a mere $300 each! 3600 lumen and 42W each. (http://www.bajadesigns.com/ProductDetail/660052_Squadron-Led-Driving)

Nope, I had that wrong. I think he has two Rigid Industries D2 LED Lights  (http://www.rigidindustries.com/D2-p/d2.htm) $199 each, 2600 lumen, 28W each.

Yes thats the same design that Ned Suesse had for his bike too. Kevin is a HUGE guy.  :eek7: I rode with Dave standing next to him and he is well over six feet five.
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Post by: GIDEON on January 03, 2013, 06:27:20 am
Thanks, all I can say is Thanks   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: alanB on January 03, 2013, 07:18:11 am
News from Brett Cummings & Glen Grundy from Lima:
"Landed at 9pm Lima time last night after a 17 hr travel via Sau Paulo. Arrived to find the race mechanics doing the final preparations for technical inspections that were supposed to take place at 11 but team manager went and arranged to do them at 3pm. Bikes are now prepared and ready to go and the excitement is really building now.
Also just found out that we have a normal backup truck that follows the service crew route as well as a backup truck that is in the race following us. That is a huge bonus!!!"


Forgot about these two heroes of the Oz Safari!  (What a Dork!)

I actually met Brett at that bike show a few months ago.

Hope they both have a blistering first Dakar and get home in one piece  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: alanB on January 03, 2013, 07:37:04 am
I keep wandering why someone doesnt develop a digital road book, so we can dispense with the paper its so last century  :biggrin: 

http://shop.touratech.com/tripy-ii-gps-digital-roadbook.html
This seems to be aimed at touring rather than rally. I gather the assistance vehicles at Dakar are using a version of the Tripy this year to navigate their assistance route.

Most of the field in a rally are wannabees! And Wannabees happen to fall. Imagine your ipad upfront while you get thrown off the bike and  Smash!

 We discussed this with ASO at the Desert challenge and if all fails you must still be able to get yourself to the end or to service. If you have a power issue all can go dead an this will render you blind. Unfortunately for now Paper is here to stay!

I agree with this, and its good to hear ASO are keeping it simple. No disrespect to Al's opinion, but ipads and fancy nav gear (Ive even heard of heads up displays!) does not beat basic paper navigation with colouring in exersizes each night before. Besides a lot of the top guys do things very differently and I believe that gives them the edge.

As soon as it goes electronic, not only will it add to the cost, but there will be ways for guys to hack the data and turn it into a pink line. What you suggest is a just move away from the skill and if that is going to happens, you may as well just follow the pink line on a gps in that case. Didn't we discuss this in the 2012 Amageza thread already?


We will speak again five years!

Although I take your point about the preparation tricks forming part of the competitive advantage of the top guys.

But I think the maturing of ipads/tablet technology will result in some sort of widespread electronic roadbook IMO - whether it gets adopted by the ASO obviously is something else entirely.  They also run the Tour De France as far as I understand and they have refused to incorporate a lot of bicycle innovations (so my serious cycling mates tell me) thereby locking bicycle technology in the past to some extent because that race essentially defines the sport of cycling and thereby the design of road racing bikes.  They may very well do the same thing for Rally.

But I think some form of electronic roadbook run on tablets will become the obvious way to go for many - even if its never adopted by the officials. 

I dont think hacking is an issue because the tulip pictures have no spatial reference so you can't plot your position on them, they are just a simple picture.  Its only when they become GIS maps that they will aid navigation.

Just my thoughts.

I'm almost tempted to try and find someone to develop an app! :biggrin:

I dont remember discussing this in the Amageza thread, if so I must have missed it.

Last point:

I read in Daryl's feedback further above that he was wishing that there were roadbooks available for Souther Africa for practicing navigation.  So there's definitely a need for someone to start putting these things together (although the market is tiny).  I know that something thats close to your heart Neil.

Maybe that needs to be looked at more seriously?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Cracker on January 03, 2013, 08:53:33 am
Is it the navigation itself that's difficult or is it because it's done at speed?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: alli on January 03, 2013, 09:02:55 am
DEC 25, 2012

2013 Dakar - Manufacturer market share motorcycles

Motorcycles, motorcycles, motorcycles that´s what I am talking about!

King of the throne is as expected KTM, backing down a few units from last year, 69 riders in total and a 37,7 percent market share. In 2009 the number was 56 percent.
This manufacturer is in the lead when it comes to the total wins of the motorcycle class in the Dakar rally, a total of 11 wins since 2000. Out of which Marc Coma and Cyril Despres has provided seven.

Yamaha second to one also increases it´s numbers by another six riders this year. Total number of wins in the Dakar from 1979 to present day reaches seven, of which Stefan Peterhansel secured the win six times!

Biggest leap upwards in the chart this year is performed by Honda, gaining 6,9 percent by the 13 riders representing the brand, reaching almost 20 percent (12.1% 2012).

Suzuki last represented back in 2009 is once again in the rally with one rider. Beta takes the big plunge with only two entrants, two years ago there were eleven of them.

The no-shows this year is Husaberg, Riejo and surprisingly enough Aprilia not one single rider heading to the dunes on their machines. Aprilia has for the last four rallies had participants, best year was 2011 with 13 riders, last year only four. Fransisco "Chaleco" Lopez and Alain Duclos both factory riders, (Giofil ApriliaRacing, in 2012 signed on to new deals (Bordone Ferrari Racing Team and Team Sherco Rally Raid). New segments on the market to reach or perhaps the financial recession might have put an end to Aprilia´s presence in the rally this time around. Hope to see them back soon!



The numbers compared are the official list of entries on dakar.com; 2012;  and 2013 dated 25th of December 2012.
Changes will occur on the 5th of January as the final list of entrants is made public.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 03, 2013, 10:15:13 am
So this is how the starting order will work (from Troy at ADV rider, so we can believe it):

SS1: the bikes start in reverse order after they make their way out from the ceremonial start in LIMA to the 13 km SS1.
They all run through that stage (essentially a prologue) and go like stink to get as good a time as possible. They will run in reverse number start order... so the top 50 (priority) riders I would think, in that sense will be the last to run the SS1.
After SS1 the continue the 250 km liason to Pisco bivouac, where they rest and prepare for day two...

They will start SS2 (day two) in the order as per the results from SS1 the day prior (first ten motos at two minute intervals).

From Day three onwards the start order is determined from the previous days special stage results (first 10 motos two minute intervals), unless you are a "priority rider" - I believe you can attain this status under the course of the event (if for example you are an alien Aussie or similar) - where you can be "re-seeded" (in the name of safety ) back up at the pointy end with the quick guys, if you have had a problem the previous day, but will start the subsequent leg in any case.

Clear enough?
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Post by: SteveD on January 03, 2013, 10:20:40 am
Some pictures of Simon Pavey on his shakedown ride (more at http://www.simonpavey.com/galleries/1212-2/)
That is one sexy bike :love4:
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Post by: SteveD on January 03, 2013, 10:26:41 am
From Darryl:
"We've got our bikes, shake down tomorrow then it's off to tech inspection on Friday "

From David Reeve:
"Bike is prepped and ready for technical and administration controls. Hot here, and humid. Service area is vast and you walk for miles"

From Kevin:
"Got Kevin through scrutineering a day early. Only drama was his brake light chose to quit. Traced it down with multimeter while waiting in line (that must have done the nerves a world of good  :o). Bike is now locked down in parc ferme. Big chore tomorrow is organizing storage in the support rig"

The suspense is killing me......
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Post by: sidetrack on January 03, 2013, 10:35:20 am
No Aprillia, that's disappointing  :-\ 
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Post by: bmad on January 03, 2013, 10:44:30 am
When real men did the Dakar...

(http://media-cache-ec4.pinterest.com/upload/19281104624796895_ds3pj71b_c.jpg)

The Dakar rally is probably the most gruelling and dangerous motor race in the world.  Motorcycles, cars, quad bikes and trucks compete, not so much with each other, but with the race itself, to survive each year’s course. Competitors slog through each mile in danger of serious injury and death.

In 1980 a French team of 4 riders, put together by Jean-Francois Piot, decided that this all sounded wonderful and that they would enter the race. On their Vespas.

So on the first of January, 1980, these brave (mad) riders set out with 211 other cars, bikes and trucks. On the 23rd of January M. Simonot and B. Tcherniawsky were amongst the 81 competitors to make it into Dakar and cross the finish line, having ridden their Vespa PX 200s from Paris to Dakar, across 7 countries and 10, 000km of brutal terrain.

Maybe they weren’t so crazy after all. Two out of four Vespas finished the race (50%), while only 79 out of 211 other vehicles crossed the finish line (37%).

So if you are planning on tackling the Dakar rally, do it on a Vespa!

 :thumleft:
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Post by: alli on January 03, 2013, 11:10:10 am
Dakar 2013 - Nationalities represented on motorcycles
Just love the facts and figures of the rally, here´s the list over the nations represented by the bikers.
France in the top again, the domination nation with 25 contestants, as they have been since the beginning. A part of their DNA it must be. Next year might be a different story as the entrants from South America keep increasing year by year. Both Argentina and Chile has 18 entrants each, and of course a prestigious win for the one reaching the goal first, or by most.

Missing out this year: Denmark, Turkey, New Zeeland 
Newcomer: El Salvador - welcome!

Total number of nationalities represented is 38
Total number of entrants (24th of December): 183



The nations and riders provided from dakar.com 24th of December


SIX FROM AFRICA
4 SAFFERS
1 NAMIBIAN
1 ZAMBIAN
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Post by: Kenisis on January 03, 2013, 12:27:22 pm
Thanks Steve!.

Almost there!
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Post by: SteveD on January 03, 2013, 01:00:52 pm
Thanks Steve!.
Almost there!
:hello:
What LED headlights are you using on your latest dune-eating rallye bike? You mentioned in your build thread they draw only 8W?
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 03, 2013, 01:01:31 pm
We will speak again in five years!

I read in Daryl's feedback further above that he was wishing that there were roadbooks available for Souther Africa for practicing navigation.  So there's definitely a need for someone to start putting these things together (although the market is tiny).  I know that something thats close to your heart Neil.

Maybe that needs to be looked at more seriously?

Yes - a case of beer to the winner!  ;)

There is a new roadbook creation app in the US for google earth, coming soon, that will make DIY roadbook creation a lot easier for people like me. Lets talk about that later.



Is it the navigation itself that's difficult or is it because it's done at speed?

The speed definitely makes it tougher, but in itself the navigation can be is pretty tricky. The road book creators also love to put little quirks that could be misread into the RB from time to time so that rider not concentrating go wrong. There have been a couple of times in years past when the top 10 riders all lose 8-10 minutes barrelling down the wrong road because they are following each other more closely than the RB. So you have to navigate yourself - Just following tracks could easily end your rally for a number of reasons.  Thats what happened to Neil Scott-Wiliams. A South African  rider who entered last year. On stage 7, he followed what he thought were the guys tracks in front of him, and was taken up the wrong valley, got lost and ended up at the top of a dune to try and re orient himself. He then noticed some other riders and joined up with them. Turned out they were the front riders and his position was actually near the tail of the field. His time on the race tracking incorrectly showed as excellent, showed him 15 minutes faster than Coma and Despres for the stage! ;D Of course we screen-captured it before the organisers changed it for prosperty!
(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Other/Dakar/i-H2ssWpm/0/L/Untitled2-L.jpg)

Thing is he left out a 130km loop and was disqualified when he arrived at the finish.

So it is all about not wasting time, and not second guessing too much as you glance down at your RB and adjustable odometer (ICO) to determine where you are relative to the road book. This is very hard to do at any speed without becoming a hazard to yourself, never mind at over 150km/hr, and that is the challenge of rally raid.

Also in a good road book are all the hazards rated into Caution( ! ), double caution ( !! ), and triple caution ( !!! ). Things from humps in the road, to sharp curves, to step ups or down, rivers, ruts, holes - that kind of thing. A single caution is something more for the cars (which are faster) but could easily also take out an unaware rider, a double caution is something will definitely result in a crash if you do not modulate your speed accordingly, and triple caution will likely kill you if you hit it at speed. If you dont carefully keep track of where you are you are taking a big risk as well.

The top guys literally ride to the RB, which means they keep it pinned and adjust speed as need be at each waypoint/caution, trusting 100% that there is no hazard over the next blind rise and corner because the roadbook does not indicate it.
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Post by: Kenisis on January 03, 2013, 02:24:50 pm
Thanks Steve!.
Almost there!
:hello:
What LED headlights are you using on your latest dune-eating rallye bike? You mentioned in your build thread they draw only 8W?

I am Using the PAIA Head lights. The same ones that are on the HRC bikes.

Purely co-incidental!
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Post by: SteveD on January 03, 2013, 08:01:16 pm
From Brett and Glen:
"Administrative and technical checks done after 5 hours. Bikes in Parc Ferme and ready to race. Packing service truck tomorrow."
Eish, 5 hours. Last year the South Africans got four bikes through in two hours  ;D
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Post by: SteveD on January 03, 2013, 10:35:47 pm
Age doesn't matter, especially the age of  the bike. 35 years and still going strong.
Ignacio Chivite you rock!
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Post by: SteveD on January 03, 2013, 10:41:35 pm
Race2Recovery at the technical scrutineering stand.
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Post by: Rallyerider 2 on January 04, 2013, 04:27:50 am
Hey Steve

That glove compartment is a tool box that carries tools, medical pack etc. Really big. Send me your mail add and I will mail more pics.

Rallyerider

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Post by: Kreef on January 04, 2013, 06:42:58 am
 :happy1:
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 09:28:03 am
Some pictures taken around Lima. Gentlemen, start you engines!
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 09:29:52 am
Love the footwear on #83, in the last photo.
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Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on January 04, 2013, 09:40:20 am
Sub.
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 09:44:56 am
Glen with his number installed.
He just sent this: "Will try and keep posting, but may be working late next week."  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 09:48:57 am
From Darryl:
"Final testing done and dusted"
I don't see the Wilddog paws on the bikes  >:( Well, I tried. I understand if it was not possible.
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 09:51:53 am
Top view of the Dakar Village at Playa Magdalena in Lima.
I just realised today will be (was?) Daryll's first time on the start podium. Last year they mos got the bikes only later that night...
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 09:58:22 am
From Glen:
"These are the packets of pills that we made up for each day. Prozac for Brett, Salusa 45 for Glen and so on and so forth...."  :)
and
"Only 31 hours to go to the start of Dakar 2013.....20 years of waiting down to this, quite surreal"

So now I'm confused. Glen says 31 hours, Darryl says 14 hours. Anybody know where I can find the starting times per competitor?
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 10:30:28 am
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Post by: Africamike on January 04, 2013, 11:13:05 am
Congratulations to all the Saffers who made it to the startline for 2013 Dakar - certainly seems a lot less stressful than last year.  Good luck and Godspeed to each and every one of you - we look forward to seeing you all on the finishline on the 20th!! :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
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Post by: wiledog_X on January 04, 2013, 11:15:36 am
some pics of the boys with other Dakar legends...

with Coma
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/190678_380853572006105_34110084_n.jpg)

with Sainz and Al-Attiya
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/9441_380851992006263_2119079675_n.jpg)
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Post by: Katundu on January 04, 2013, 11:36:24 am
sub
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 11:59:06 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/w_yRUSRLt10
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 12:36:52 pm
Interesting, this guy chose to mount his roadbook upside down. To reverse the controls, I guess, but I wonder why?
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 12:51:01 pm
From Brett:
"The start on the podium takes place tomorrow morning at 8am in reverse of numerical order with quads going first then bikes, so Cyril will leave last. First car will be away at 9:45 I think"
So first quad away at 15h00 South African time, bikes shortly afterwards, in reverse seeding order.

I asked about the cubby hole? Brett was kind enough to take a few pictures, showing how much space there is and the toolroll that is going in there. The bikes look great!
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 01:45:27 pm
News release from HRC:

The Brazilian driver Felipe Zanol, Team HRC (Honda Racing Corporation) is recovering well in hospital in California (USA), where he is hospitalized and performs physical therapy sessions.
The family, which accompanies the United States, is already planning his return to Brazil (the date is not yet determined and will depend on the release by the medical staff).
...
Zanol suffered a fall during training with the team for the Dakar Rally, in the Mojave Desert, 185 miles from Los Angeles.
The Honda team is providing support to the family of twists and Zanol the full recovery of the pilot.

 :thumleft:
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 02:16:36 pm
From Darryl:
"Today will be our last day off, we will be doing our technical and admin checks here in Lima at 3pm then its off for the podium shots and riders briefing. It's great having my mom and brother out here for the first few days !"
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Post by: alanB on January 04, 2013, 02:26:25 pm
You are doing a superb job of building the tension Steve :thumleft:

I know I'm biased but that Husky definitely looks like the best tool for the job to me!

It looks so light and slim, compared to the other bikes!

Very sexy!

Thanks also for all the details about what tools the guys carry etc - very interesting.
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 02:50:32 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/eouo_OA_gUo

 :notworthy:
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 03:08:28 pm
Brett & Glen will start tomorrow with black armbands tomorrow as a tribute to Burry Stander
RIP
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Post by: Africamike on January 04, 2013, 03:49:26 pm
https://www.youtube.com/feature/player_embedded


 :notworthy:

Awesome video! of Stan watt on a training ride - I noticed he didn't scroll the roadbook so he obviously knew the route but still - to have to ride that at pace and still keep one eye on the roadbook is a skill of note!!  :spitcoffee:
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 03:50:35 pm
Interview with mudman Cyril Despres: "The harder it is, the happier I am"
Interview by Bertrand Métayer | Posted on 01/04/2013, 09:28 (compliments of Google translate)
   
San Rafael (Argentina) on January 2, 2012. French rider Cyril Despres, winner last year, is the favorite of Dakar, which starts tomorrow in Lima (Peru)
   
Cyril Despres has produced a faultless performance in 2012 with three wins in three rallies in which he was engaged. Without his best opponent Marc Coma, who withdrew because of a shoulder injury, the Frenchman is the favorite for Dakar, which starts tomorrow in Lima, Peru. The defending champion, who admits to "never have felt so good before leaving", is aiming for a fifth title to his KTM.

The package of Marc Coma means he is the Dakar you promised?
No. For him, the Dakar is played on a camel grass, as we crossed thousands. When I said that now I'm all alone, it makes me smile a little. Of camel grass, rocks, climbs and descents, we'll have tons. A beautiful Dakar Dakar is also a fight with on the track and great opponents. There are others, but Marc, with three wins, it is not only a teammate but "the" greatest rival.

If successful, you could match Cyril Neveu and get closer to six titles motorcycle Peterhansel. It motivates you?
The records do not mean anything to me. I have great respect for Cyril Neveu and Stéphane Peterhansel, but I do not obsess beyond. I had so little chance of one day becoming a motorcycle rider, when I look back, I think it's just happiness. But I still want to prove, to show that I'm fast. There is not the adventure and scenery. This is the competition that motivates me. I always want to win the race ahead.

Do you fear the journey particularly difficult this year?
The harder it is, the happier I am. When we left the Atlantic coast of Argentina, we knew there were a few thousand miles fast, not very physical and with little navigation. Here, for the first time in several years, beginning in the sand dunes. That was the best part of the rally in 2012, a fantastic discovery. I do not expect to see landscapes as varied, wild and deserted. This is great, but not easy. We will live in the bath.

There may be the case soon?
Motorcycle, the level in the sand is louder, so it never does much damage. And I do not think the level is very difficult navigation. But we will go - 5 oC home to more than 30 ° C. We will find the sand after leaving the snow. The change will be quite brutal. In Lima, the atmosphere is more flip flops and sunglasses. For organizations, it will be very difficult. This may be a departure rally more complicated.

Do you feel that the Dakar growing away from its original values ​​for adventure?
We can say that the Dakar is changing, but it was still 9000 km to go. It was just a handlebar, helmet on head. It always freezes ass, then bursts of hot food and sand. When you find yourself at 5 am at 4000 meters altitude, it is 0 ° C, freeze the cables that you took a tablet of diuretic for not having a headache and you t 'stop every twenty minutes to urinate, you say that the values ​​of Dakar have perhaps not so much changed that.
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Post by: Grrrr.... on January 04, 2013, 03:52:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/1WzUVpOp-i8?version=3&hl=en_GB&rel=0"

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Post by: Grrrr.... on January 04, 2013, 03:55:55 pm
Apologies if these have been posted before.

http://www.youtube.com/v/xNsDStvu1KI?version=3&hl=en_GB&rel=0"

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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 07:40:22 pm
"Marquito, if you sit behind the dune, no, with the tires? Be a good boy and take a fan belt or 2 for me."
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Post by: SteveD on January 04, 2013, 09:53:09 pm
From Simon Pavey:
Dakar 2013 Final Pre Race Release

As the final preparation for the 2013 Dakar comes to a head, the team headed south to make a final test in the sand and put together the final touches to the team. From there, the race bikes and assistance headed through scrutineering untroubled.
With Team Delta Kunststoffe Husqvarna’s second rider, Don Hatton, only joining up with the team for the first time in Lima, it was a great opportunity for him to bed in with the team and the bike and get the bike properly set up.
 
Don Hatton – “ I couldn’t believe how great the bike was. I’ve done most of the major rally raids over the last seven years, on every type of bike, good, bad, ugly and this Husqvarna is really great. I struggled with the suspension settings at first, the front was tucking in the sand a lot, but we dialled a bit more sag in and the difference was huge. Everything about the bike is fantastic, the level of detail the team have gone too, the organisation and the atmosphere is awesome. I feel like a factory rider!”
 
Simon heads into his ninth Dakar start, for the first time in a team built around himself and is more excited about the Dakar than ever before.
Simon Pavey – “The whole team is fantastic, I couldn’t be happier. We’ve built this team from the ground up, everything is chosen by us. The whole bike is incredible, it’s so good to ride. It overshadows everything that we’ve ridden before, we’re so organised and it’s superb to see everything come together after scrutineering. Paul, Evan, Llel and Linley have done a great job, everything looks great, the guys have thought of everything and it’s great to be in a team with a common goal, we have no ego’s. 
It was superb to get the final shakedown done, to get one last ride in and set the bike up for the sand properly. We just don’t have sand that soft in the UK, so our setting was close, but not perfect. The Ohlins is so good as well, it fills us both with so much confidence.”
 
The team start the first stage of the 2013 Dakar tomorrow morning, where they have a 250km ride out of Lima, heading south before taking part in the first special stage, just 13km.
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Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 04, 2013, 10:24:57 pm
PVR has been set  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO!!)
Post by: Cracker on January 04, 2013, 10:30:40 pm
Interesting, this guy chose to mount his roadbook upside down. To reverse the controls, I guess, but I wonder why?

Australian, perhaps?
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Post by: wiledog_X on January 04, 2013, 10:54:04 pm
from Darryl's FB page:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/318031_381050061986456_1109757339_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/304587_381050745319721_2108978721_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/200471_381050518653077_1249587369_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/248712_381051035319692_1959741334_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/406049_381066935318102_1096075156_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/65185_381022041989258_233748475_n.jpg)
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Post by: SteveD on January 05, 2013, 12:11:08 am
Details of tomorrows 13km stage.
Rumour has it that the times will be multiplied by 5. I guess the idea would be to encourage everyone to give it horns from the start?
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Post by: GARTHVADER on January 05, 2013, 03:06:25 am
When does the Dakar start - SA time?
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Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2013, 06:07:37 am
When does the Dakar start - SA time?

"From Brett:
"The start on the podium takes place tomorrow morning at 8am in reverse of numerical order with quads going first then bikes, so Cyril will leave last. First car will be away at 9:45 I think"
So first quad away at 15h00 South African time, bikes shortly afterwards, in reverse seeding order."
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2013, 06:40:35 am
2 pm they start spanish (peru) tv coverage and 3pm they start rolling off the podium (7-8am here)

Special starts at 11:40 am, thats 6:40 Pm RSA time.

Stage 1

Special start (local GMT -5)  11h40

(http://www.dakar.com/PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/CARTEVIGNETTE.gif)

Here is the route, not difficult to work out this time, thanks to the map provided by the organisation. Anticlockwise, in red, its more of a short endurance loop with a few dune crossings, its in a zone frequented by dune buggies and rails. I normally dont put this stuff out the day before but given the tail of the field are opening the course, I dont think they have the means to make this useful by this time...

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-mBfLbLX/0/XL/SS1%20Estimate-XL.jpg)

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/44972911.jpg)

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/9892833.jpg)

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/9892514.jpg)


In respect of getting a more precise picture out there of each special I think it is going to be very difficult this year.

Looks like they are going to screw the Google earth mapping nuts (like me), by duping everyone into where the Dakar special is not going to be running by publishing even more inaccurate maps. I have spent the past hour trying every which way to get some proper maps and distance tables off the official website, like IL SS FL etc - no can do, not even on the french site. Any bright sparks out there have a hotline to someone who can help us from the ASO? :dunno

What I have found are some basic maps, but none of the usual long sections with the distances...:cry Im hoping against hope that they actually publish them in some kind of live popup on the day..otherwise we will have a lot of F5ers twiddling thumbs...The maps are a joke with only the liaisons being more precisley shown but the specials with a only a very vague flamboyant line, which I do not believe is anything line the actual route except the general direction over the course of the route.

So you see what I mean look at Stage 2 & 3 below, both start from the same bivouac near Pisco

(http://www.dakar.com/PHOTOS/DAK/2013/200/CARTE.gif)

(http://www.dakar.com/PHOTOS/DAK/2013/300/CARTEVIGNETTE.gif)

Im getting ahead of myself I know. :bluduh

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 05, 2013, 08:33:54 am
Mischa's tracking site is up:

http://trackingdakar.nl/

Mischa is the genius who pulls the raw data from the Dakar site and makes something actually usable out of it. When everything goes live, you can choose riders to follow by race number or nationality. The damn Dakar trackers on the other hand like to auto-reload every minute or so, losing all your preferences.  :angry5:
If you enjoy following the Dakar with Team F5, think about donating a bit to Mischa's site (on the bottom right is a "Doneren" button) and maybe another bit to ADVrider (http://www.advrider.com/Donate/Donate.html)


Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 05, 2013, 08:46:33 am
RallyRaidIO is at it already.

"We catch up with Lyndon for an interview just after he returns from the riders' briefing on the eve of the race, and get some insight into what's on his mind. Sounds like his head is in the right place! Get some rest tongiht, Lyndon, and enjoy the journey tomorrow!"
http://traffic.libsyn.com/rallyraidio/13D02.mp3

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Post by: SteveD on January 05, 2013, 08:51:33 am
From Darryl:
"Our hotel for the next two weeks, pretty spoilt eh"
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Post by: SteveD on January 05, 2013, 08:53:10 am
"Bikes ready to rock n roll just before heading off to technical"
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Post by: SteveD on January 05, 2013, 01:39:40 pm
From Glen, about two hours ago:
"Ok, totsiens, hambani-gahle, goodbye. The i-phone has to get switched off and go in the bag on the truck! Goodbye hotel bed, hello tent. Thanks again to all you beautiful friends of mine. Switching to paraffin mode....."
and also
"Talking to Geniel de Villiers yeaterday, an old and good friend of Burry Stander. He pulls out a photograph of Burry, and says "he's riding in the car with me today". Powerful emotions...."
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 05, 2013, 01:47:53 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/Y-Elxizf7_Q
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 05, 2013, 01:51:15 pm
Simon Pavey ‏@SimonPavey
Can't believe I spent last night ill with the trots. No brekky for me today. Leaving hotel now but still happy.
 :pottytrain5: Do the riders carry toilet paper with them?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 05, 2013, 02:01:38 pm
Dakar preview show now on on SuperSport 2 channel 205.
Live streaming now on http://www.tvperu.gob.pe/index.php

One hour to this -
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 05, 2013, 02:56:45 pm
Neduro sums it up best:
"Tomorrow morning, Dakar begins. For those who are there, Dakar is more than a 2 week event. It is a way of life- of going farther, faster, of never saying die, of pushing through. We live in a world that is too often reasonable, too often denatured and dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Dakar is none of those things. It makes no apologies for drowning the dreams of half her suitors. But that's why we love it, because the feedback is honest.

For those who will start in the morning, the moment they go off the line is the culmination of a year (or more) of work. For months, there have been so many details to sweat, so much work to be done both on the race, and on paying for the race. All that ends tomorrow morning- whatever flaws you've come with, they are yours to the end. It's all over but the doing, and that's where the joy lives.

It's not just the individual experience, either. Being a part of Dakar means that for two weeks, you are surrounded by people who are just as committed as you. People who have rejected what is reasonable descend from all corners of the globe, and the atmosphere that results is charged with magic...

All of us at home get a little bit of that magic too. We get the chance to transcend ourselves for a short time, and that's what makes all the sacrifices of the race worthwhile. The world is watching, and we feed off the strength of those in the ring. We hope for the best for everyone, we wish everyone could finish, we respect their commitment, and we sit back and enjoy the show."
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 05, 2013, 03:06:00 pm
The podium ceremony in Lima has started now, January 5th, 2013, 08:00 AM:

The greatest race in the world is OFFICIALLY ON!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Adventurer on January 05, 2013, 03:11:00 pm
Saw the promo on TV just now, looks gooooood!!! 8) :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 05, 2013, 03:22:09 pm
"Bikes ready to rock n roll just before heading off to technical"

That is awesome, Riaan's and Darryl has the opportunity of a lifetime to make this one count.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Takashi on January 05, 2013, 03:23:18 pm
Just watched it as well. Looks like Gordon is going balls to the wall to show the Mini's how its done.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 05, 2013, 03:48:28 pm
Riaan in the paddock at the start line.
Go boy!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 05, 2013, 03:50:56 pm
The Bultaco on the start podium
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 05, 2013, 04:05:48 pm
All four of our bikers must be on the liason by now. I saw a brief glimpse of Riaan, but nothing of the rest.
250km should take them about 3 hours, I guess?
 :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Bubby on January 05, 2013, 04:27:33 pm
Manufacturers :
Moto Beta - 1
Suzuki - 1
Bultaco - 1
BMW - 2
Jincheng - 2
Gas-Gas - 2
TM - 3
Husaberg - 3
Kawasaki - 3
Sherco - 4
Husqvarna - 10
Honda - 34
Yamaha - 49
KTM - 67
Total = 182
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 05, 2013, 04:51:52 pm
Despres just left.  He speaks a mean Spanish, maybe having Coma as a team mate.

That Peru TV link quite lekka, just don't wanna see the President of Peru anymore
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: wiledog_X on January 05, 2013, 05:03:05 pm
Geniel races with a photo of Burry Stander pasted on his Toyota in tribute!  :thumleft:
 
(http://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/2113/18c7facc946b46fbbe15cbba2cd3f65d.jpg)

http://www.sport24.co.za/Motorsport/Burry-Standers-memory-drives-Giniel-de-Villiers-20130105
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2013, 05:39:57 pm
Okay time to upload my screen shots that I was able to catch

Warren Strange #131 with Richard de Groot from NLD
(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-vCNSRsH/0/L/Captureab-L.jpg)

#175 DAMDINKHORLOO BOLDBAATAR (MNG) - With a name like that how cany ou not follow him?? :D
(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-tsK2w3n/0/L/Captureaa-L.jpg)


#91 Glen Grundy RSA
(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-jMxf7ZW/0/L/Captureae-L.jpg)


#101 Ingo Waldschmidt Nam
(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-Tsn2v6v/0/L/Capturead-L.jpg)


#89 Brett Cummings
(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-HQkbbmj/0/L/Captureaf-L.jpg)

#29 on Coma's bike - Kurt Casselli
(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-36RdXwR/0/L/Captureah-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on January 05, 2013, 05:45:06 pm
Thanks Boys!

Time for the Fun and Mind games to Begin!

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: GARTHVADER on January 05, 2013, 07:31:00 pm
Can anyone help with a live tracking site?  "http://trackingdakar.nl/" does not seem to be working???.... or am I doing something wrong?? ???
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 05, 2013, 07:33:21 pm
Can anyone help with a live tracking site?  "http://trackingdakar.nl/" does not seem to be working???.... or am I doing something wrong?? ???


Only 16 x quads into the special stage at this moment.  Bikes still on their way
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on January 05, 2013, 07:39:29 pm
Can anyone help with a live tracking site?  "http://trackingdakar.nl/" does not seem to be working???.... or am I doing something wrong?? ???

As usual the tracking sucks in the begining!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 05, 2013, 07:46:18 pm
Can anyone help with a live tracking site?  "http://trackingdakar.nl/" does not seem to be working???.... or am I doing something wrong?? ???

As usual the tracking sucks in the begining!


Agree!  All info gone now ???
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on January 05, 2013, 07:47:00 pm
Why so long between Quad 16 and 17? Supposed to be a minute 30 Sec intervals?

Tracking has gone Down?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on January 05, 2013, 07:55:48 pm
Sebastien Hussieni a freind of mine from Dubai just posted a time 11 sec off the first quad! Go Seb!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on January 05, 2013, 08:03:54 pm
Must be a Seriously fast Special, The Fastest Bike Going around in 7`56" Compared to the Quads 9`22"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 05, 2013, 08:08:30 pm
Must be a Seriously fast Special, The Fastest Bike Going around in 7`56" Compared to the Quads 9`22"

Where did you get that info??
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on January 05, 2013, 08:11:26 pm
Must be a Seriously fast Special, The Fastest Bike Going around in 7`56" Compared to the Quads 9`22"

Where did you get that info??
http://trackingdakar.nl
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: GARTHVADER on January 05, 2013, 08:37:29 pm
Must be a Seriously fast Special, The Fastest Bike Going around in 7`56" Compared to the Quads 9`22"

Where did you get that info??
http://trackingdakar.nl
Tracking seems to be up again..........now if I could only learn to read it properly??? :P
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on January 05, 2013, 08:45:11 pm
Must be a Seriously fast Special, The Fastest Bike Going around in 7`56" Compared to the Quads 9`22"

Where did you get that info??
http://trackingdakar.nl
Tracking seems to be up again..........now if I could only learn to read it properly??? :P
Its very slow, Riaan has been on the route for 20 min already!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on January 05, 2013, 08:51:10 pm
Must be a Seriously fast Special, The Fastest Bike Going around in 7`56" Compared to the Quads 9`22"

Where did you get that info??
http://trackingdakar.nl
Tracking seems to be up again..........now if I could only learn to read it properly??? :P
Its very slow, Riaan has been on the route for 20 min already!

Riaan Currently in the top 10, Darryl in 16th at the Moment!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Breekbeen on January 05, 2013, 09:02:40 pm
...
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2013/us/stage-1/live-timing/sector-2-ass-bikes-time.html
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: alanB on January 05, 2013, 09:14:07 pm
Riaan's really flying in his first Dakar  :ricky:

Anyone seen Bret Cummings?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on January 05, 2013, 09:16:54 pm
Riaan's really flying in his first Dakar  :ricky:

Anyone seen Bret Cummings?

103rd Position
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Grolls on January 05, 2013, 09:17:43 pm
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 05, 2013, 09:18:43 pm
Must say the .nl site works excellent
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: alanB on January 05, 2013, 09:23:06 pm
Riaan's really flying in his first Dakar  :ricky:

Anyone seen Bret Cummings?

103rd Position

Thanks - so all 4 are in safely! :thumleft:

So with the 5 times multiplier Riaan's already a minute ahead of Daryl.  He certainly has adapted fast to Rally!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Arno Roux on January 05, 2013, 10:06:20 pm
Sien nou net die Thread

Wil nou nie deur 20 bladsye probeer lees nie, Wie is die 4 ZAR manne wat deelneem, Is Hulle Wilddog's?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: wiledog_X on January 05, 2013, 10:12:03 pm
the Toyotas are flying!

As it stands it looks like both the Toyota Imperial SA bakkies finished in the top 10 in day one with Giniel in 8th (+24s) and Duncan in 10th.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Breekbeen on January 05, 2013, 10:36:19 pm
Robbie Gordon?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Takashi on January 05, 2013, 10:37:09 pm
Robbie Gordon?

Apparently stopped for 9mins after kilometer 4...  Reason for the stop unknown.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: whitedelight on January 05, 2013, 10:49:12 pm
Robbie Gordon?

Apparently stopped for 9mins after kilometer 4...  Reason for the stop unknown.

Our boys are styling :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 05, 2013, 10:58:27 pm
Sien nou net die Thread

Wil nou nie deur 20 bladsye probeer lees nie, Wie is die 4 ZAR manne wat deelneem, Is Hulle Wilddog's?


15   (143)   040 - VAN NIEKERK Riaan (ZAF)   KTM   +00:00:12   (12)   +00:00:33
25   (146)   037 - CURTIS Darryl (ZAF)   KTM   +00:00:21   (22)   +00:00:47
103   (97)   089 - CUMMINGS Brett (ZAF)   HONDA   +00:01:09   (94)   +00:02:32
167   (94)   091 - GRUNDY Glen (ZAF)   HONDA   +00:02:22   (157)   +00:05:07
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 12:23:02 am
Sien nou net die Thread
Wil nou nie deur 20 bladsye probeer lees nie, Wie is die 4 ZAR manne wat deelneem, Is Hulle Wilddog's?

Brett and Glen are both wilddogs, aka Rallyerider1 and 2.
I spoke to Darryl and Riaan before they left, and they are not only aware of the support they are getting via this forum, they encourage and appreciate it. They are both very happy if we post info/updates on their progress here, which we will do, from blogs+facebook+twitter+ADVrider+whateverelsewecanfind.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 12:42:47 am
Darryl and Riaan talking about day 1 at http://www.darrylcurtis.co.za/ under Audio->Phone2Blog
Under your upside down bike maybe not the best way to start the Dakar, Mr Curtiss?

From Glen
"YAY!!!!!!!! What a day- amazing, crazy, scary, wonderful all in one-Brett and I did transit and racing stages. NO problems... Hold thumbs for stage 2"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 12:48:07 am
From BlueBull:
"I just spoke to Brett Cummings he sounded a little disapoointed in the his result but stoked for Riaans performance. I guess the soft sand of Peru and the excitement of being in the biggest race on the planet had something to do with it."
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 12:54:39 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/2Z0nt91Y21w
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 12:57:04 am
Some photos from today, but not much.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: laurika on January 06, 2013, 01:00:49 am
sub.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Onetime on January 06, 2013, 01:17:07 am
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2013, 06:04:00 am
Go Darryl my boy!

(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/51.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2013, 06:05:57 am
(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/28.jpg)

(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/27.jpg)

(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/25.jpg)

(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/26.jpg)

(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/24.jpg)

(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/23.jpg)

(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/22.jpg)

(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/21.jpg)

(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/20.jpg)

(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/19.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: mountainboy on January 06, 2013, 07:07:04 am
Robbie Gordon?

Apparently stopped for 9mins after kilometer 4...  Reason for the stop unknown.
Gearbox problem, something to do with the reverse gear

Apparently this happened when he took it too easy.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Breekbeen on January 06, 2013, 07:08:52 am
Robbie Gordon?

Apparently stopped for 9mins after kilometer 4...  Reason for the stop unknown.

Maybe a fanbelt jumped off. :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2013, 08:40:42 am
Okay its getting late for me, but here is the closest I have be able to put together a 242KM SS2 with an 85Km IL.

Lets looks at their maps first (apologies for the repost):
(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-XDKvxp7/0/L/st%20plan-L.jpg)

After some scrutiny I realized the green line is the real stage route, not the red line, which is actually the main road. The green line goes too far south to be the Carreterra Pan Americana, so the red has to be the liason, even though the Wp's have been put on it. The dirty, sneaky, little, slippery, french..............never mind . :evil Notice the arrow on the green line would be pointing the wrong way as well. Actually it is the correct way, and the route crosses the highway again not far from the finish.

I realized thats also why they dont have any public viewing area along the route, there are just too many other little routes south of the highway in the area that 20,000 spectators would blunder onto with their 4x4s' looking to catch Robbbbbbbiiee Gorrrrdon. :rofl

Here is the long section:
(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-f8kqZLs/0/XL/St2%20profile%20detail-XL.jpg)

And then here is my version of the truth, you be the judge. Its obviously more difficult to do given there will large sections of off piste riding today. The boys ride down through the town of Ica tomorrow early ([COLOR="Blue"]Blue line[/COLOR]), refuel just south of town and begin a special stage ([COLOR="Red"]Red Line[/COLOR]) that starts with an uphile climb that might "scare a few" to use the words of the ASO. It was really difficult to fit in a route that hit the dunes and sand at the right times but I think I got most of it right. Im pretty sure that there is a bit of a loop north of the higway just before the finish as well with more sand dunes - this is not shown and affects my Long section a bit.

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-nLRbGVP/0/XL/st2a-XL.jpg)

Showing appraximate CP1 position (red down arrow) and the long section:
(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-BSXLcHP/0/XL/st2b-XL.jpg)

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-JQrMK4j/0/XL/st2c-XL.jpg)

Later in the stage they will ride through some amazing red martian landscapes before I believe they will cross over to the north side of the main road and end doing the same dunes plus some more near where we saw them ride today, with basically the same view point. Like I said there is a bit of a loop north of the bivouac not shown that should be in as well, I just never had enough time to finalise.
(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-HNdvCFw/0/XL/st2d-XL.jpg)

Of course I may be a bit wrong here and there, but the altitudes are generally correctly as are the distances. I also dont have 4-5 hours to refine it. (local organisation rules say I need to sleep to heal as well! :bluduh)

ADVriders chasing the Dakar wanting to have a unique view of the field and a route round the back: Phone me at 7am local. If you dont know the number there is probably a reason for that. :deal

What will it be like? Well it will look like this:

Close to the start looking north.
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/68121777.jpg)

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/68121775.jpg)

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/10072424.jpg)

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/33071110.jpg)

No doubt about it, there will be some fast sections as well later on.
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/49528112.jpg)

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/10421547.jpg)

When they after following 2 track there will be a lot of dust, but otherwise they should have a relatively clear run. The navigation is going to be very key here for the leaders, while the rest will have it easier if and only if they navigate as well and dont blindly follow Chaleco.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 08:55:22 am
Robbie Gordon?

Apparently stopped for 9mins after kilometer 4...  Reason for the stop unknown.

Maybe a fanbelt jumped off. :pot:
Maybe this contributed to the problem?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 09:05:15 am
BlueBull, you da man! Your route analysis is brilliant, it must piss ASO off wonderfully.....
From Darryl:
"We had a cool day today, nice and easy. The top guys rode tactically not wanting to start up front, there will be lots of navigating tomorrow, positions will change....."and
"Officially" 1 million people lined the route yesterday on Day 1 of #Dakar2013 Long special today of 242km"

The bikes leave today 12h30 South African time for an 85km liaison, then it's into the dunes. Probably around 13h30?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 09:07:45 am
Great update from Freedom Rally Racing FB page:

Saturday 5: Today was the start of the Dakar race. The course was set up as a short 13 km ride, so the riders could basically just test their bikes. We all rode the regular highway to Pisco, where the riders went off through the trails and we went straight to camp. We will be here two days, as tomorrows race is a “loop” that comes right back here!
I have no idea who of our riders is in what position, because at the moment, nobody cares. Kevin received penalties 3 times for speeding on the highway, which basically translates to him loosing 30 positions in the ranking. No big deal right now, but he was not happy about it. Luis had “experimented” with a different carburetor (therefore the long night two days ago, adapting it to the bike) but found that although he saved a lot of gas, he lost much needed power. So the angel Jaime, put the original one back on. As I write this Luis is on the verge of trying the bike out again. Marco and Mateo’s bikes performed well and so did Kevin’s.
The highway ride down here was another great experience. The “Law of the jungle” applies here. Highways have two painted lanes, which at any time can become a 4 or 5 lane highway even all going the same way! In Pisco we hit a traffic jam. At one point the one lane south, became two. The oncoming traffic shoulder, also became a southbound lane, as the northbound lane remained that way… unless someone (or many) were passing cars. Then we were all going the same way! At one point, a brand new Mazda 3, tried to get by us as we were stopped. He tore the campers right shade pole off its footing, at the same time as he received a gouged side panel and broken side view mirror. I looked down at him from the RV’s cabin window, asked him politely WTF he was doing, as he proceeded to say he was sorry and drove on! Insurance? Police accident report? Those are foreign concepts here.
According to the media, 800.000 to 1M people watched the race from the side of the highway. I can attest to that. People everywhere, where you’d least expect them. All of them waving and taking photo’s as we went by. At one point when we stopped for gas, many of them asked if they could take a picture of their small kid, riding the mini-bike that Mike carries on the front end of the RV! Or could they put the kid in my window and take a picture that way! Of course I let them! Three parents have a picture of me with their kid! Not good.
I’m starting to figure out my job as a communicator a little bit more. I’m going to write every day and then post to FB without any photos. I will then just keep adding photos to the Dakar album I created. That way, when I get an opportunity to piggy back on someone’s “open” Wi-Fi (as just happened) the upload will be fast. Photos can come next, but as also just happened, the connection went down during that upload. So I’ll have to wait until I have a more reliable connection for that.
Another factor that also comes to play is that I not always have power to charge the computer and my phone, unless the generator is on. It’s on a lot, so hopefully it will all work out.
This place is surreal. I just went outside the trailer to watch a pretty good fireworks display, given by someone outside the camp (bivouac) !! We have many flowers who camp outside ours. After setting up camp and getting everyone what they needed, mechanics working, tents set up, water fetched I found some time to go walking. What a blast! I Talked to many fellow Argentines, a couple of mechanics from the Netherlands, helping their friend realize his riding dream: Finishing the Dakar!, a few “Brits” who’s rider had my same last name (a Welch name), and a few French guys, who worked on the camera’s inside the drivers cabin. My French got a few smiles, and then we reverted to their English… that I smiled at.
So now, 2:00 am I’m off to sleep. Luis is still working on the bike, although I did hear it start and hum nicely. I hope I can post this, using the sporadic “free” Wi-Fi. G’night Dakar Fans!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Cracker on January 06, 2013, 09:09:32 am
Robbie Gordon?

Apparently stopped for 9mins after kilometer 4...  Reason for the stop unknown.

Maybe a fanbelt jumped off. :pot:
Maybe this contributed to the problem?

Huh? - He got his dick stuck in the wall?  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 09:12:49 am
Report from the GHR boys.

D-Day for GHR! The 2013 Dakar Rally has started.

Two years after their debut GHR Honda's second Dakar Rally campaign is finally under way in South America. Following 5 days of preparation and build up in Peru's capital, Lima, the four Honda CRF450X motorcycles and one Honda TRX700XX quad entered by GHR were waved off the start line with 444 other competitors and their machines. Embarking south on a scenic coastal liaison leg, they traced the coastline for 250km to arrive in Pisco where the racing began. The prologue stage of the 2013 event was a warm-up sprint loop through sand dunes merely 13km in length, so brief that most riders finished in under an hour before returning to the Pisco bivouac.
Lead GHR rider #156 Todd Smith from Condobolin finished in 34th place from 183 starters.
"Well, day 1 is done and dusted... I'm pretty happy with how it went, and just cruised through to come in 34th - a great place to start Day 2. I've done my map and the track looks good for tomorrow - some dunes and some road sections. It should be a good stage to learn the roadbooks and GPS. The bike is great, everything worked well."

Second time Dakar entrant, #131 Warren Strange from Western Australia was the next GHR bike to clear the stage and stands in 59th place. A veteran desert racer, he's aware that the race can't be won on the opening stage but it can certainly be lost. Tomorrow his start in the top third of the field will allow him to start chipping away at his objective of a top 20 finish.

GHR have within their ranks two South African riders, both of whom raced the 2012 Australasian Safari with the Australian GHR team. #89 rider Brett Cummings from Witbank - winner of the 2012 Dakar Challenge division at Safari - crossed the line in 103rd place today. The 29 year old engineer has been training hard in preparation for this year's Dakar with fellow South African competitor #91 Glen Grundy, 48, who ended the day in 168th on the time sheet. While Cummings is aiming for a top 50 outright placing in the event, Grundy's sole objective is to finish the race.

Victorian quad rider #274 Paul Smith started today as the first ever Australian to enter the quad class at Dakar. The 34 year old farmer is a seasoned competitor on 4 wheels and concluded the prologue 13th in the field of 38. He has his sights set on a podium spot this year.

Today's results have determined the start order Stage 2, consisting of an 85km liaison and 242km special over mixed terrain in the table lands to the west of the Andes. 3 sections of dunes will test the riders' navigation skills and endurance before they return to Pisco for the second night.
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Post by: Arno Roux on January 06, 2013, 09:49:01 am
Neil,  Jy maak dit vir ons lui werkende dom dakar followers ook makliker, dankie

Ons wardeer dit baie
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Post by: SpeedMetal on January 06, 2013, 09:50:25 am
Great updates guys, thanks a lot :thumleft:
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 10:09:48 am
Team Delta Kunststoffe Husqvarna UK riders, Simon Pavey and Don Hatton, complete the first stage with out incident.

The first stage of the 2013 was almost entirely liaison, with a 13km special stage to finish the long ride out of Lima. The 250km liaison brought about it's own challenges as well, with the thick traffic and fans slowing down competitors and creating a melee on the roads.

Don Hatton - " The stage today was really boring, the liaison was long and slow. There was so much traffic on the road, it took hours to get to the special stage. People were driving like crazy and we had to fight our way through. The special stage went okay for me, I haven't ridden sand in a long time and I'm still trying to come to terms with it again. A few people passed me in the stage, but it was decent, I didn't have any problems and the bike felt really good."

While Simon's Dakar 2013 preparations have been fantastic, the Australian was hit with a dose of food poisoning the night before the start. Getting little sleep or food, the stage was always going to be tough. Despite this Simon soldiered on through his illness to take a respectable 60th overall result.

Simon Pavey - " Last night was the worst possible start I could have imagined for the race. I felt much better this morning. The liaison section was crazy too. The stage was only short, but it was fun. I love riding sand and the whole course was really fast rolling dunes, top gear most of the way round. The real race starts tomorrow, it looks like the stage is going to be surprisingly long and difficult with the last 40km standing out especially. It's hot out here too, I expect the sand will be soft. "

Stage two is loop stage, 242km special stage and 85km liaison. The stage is almost entirely sand and marks the beginning of a tough few days for the team.

Results:
Simon Pavey    69th Overall - 0:46.55
Don Hatton     179th Overall - 1:16.20
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 10:11:41 am
Brett Cummings takes the last pictures before they depart.
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 10:12:45 am
Glen pumped and making motorbike noises.  :imaposer: :imaposer:
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 10:14:24 am
Yoy can't take an Aussie anywhere  :bootyshake:
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 10:19:34 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/qYi2DIfK7JE
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Post by: Wayne Duck on January 06, 2013, 10:26:29 am
This is amazing, having it all right here...thanks to all contributors!
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Post by: GIDEON on January 06, 2013, 11:06:39 am
AWESOME thanks for all the hard work  :thumleft:
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Post by: whitedelight on January 06, 2013, 11:40:48 am
Go Darryl my boy!

(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/51.jpg)

That is Riaan on 40
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Post by: Arno Roux on January 06, 2013, 12:20:44 pm
Who is in south america following the dakar from the wilddog's
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Post by: JAmBer on January 06, 2013, 12:41:22 pm
Who is in south america following the dakar from the wilddog's

Yes yes! With over 50 pages on the f5irehouse already, I can already tell that the next two weeks in the office aren't going to be very productive!

Who's "on the ground" that can provide us with a filtered news feed?!
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 12:42:36 pm
Stage 1 - Car/ Bike - Stage Summary -- (Lima Pisco)


http://www.youtube.com/v/2Z0nt91Y21w



UMMM... can somebody help to embed the vid?

Edit: Thanks wes  :thumleft:
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Post by: Iron Shark on January 06, 2013, 12:43:49 pm
Sot for the update guys, better than waiting for it on Tele...   ;)
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 01:13:17 pm
Giniel de Villiers on the toyota

http://www.youtube.com/v/3pE4HMXMfWU
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 01:21:11 pm
Who is in south america following the dakar from the wilddog's
There is no South African supporters tour this year, but BluBull2007 lives in Lima and is an encyclopedia of information.
Darryl phones comments in every day (http://www.darrylcurtis.co.za/broadlink-ktm-rally-home/index.html) as well as posting stuff on both facebook and twitter.
Brett and Glen similarly use facebook and twitter, and their team (GHR) post quite a lot on their website.
Bits are posted on Youtube, but ASO gets miffed and the unofficial ones get removed quite quickly. Some of the official ones are good though.
But most of the info comes from the F5ire hose (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=852309)

Voila!
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 01:30:58 pm
Starting times are at http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2013/us/stage-2/live-timing/sector-2-df-bikes-hours.html
So first bike is off at 14h15.
Riaan at 14:38:00
Darryl at 14:44:30
Brett at 15:07:00
Glen at 15:29:00
Predictions are that the backmarkers will take 5 hours+, and the front runners around 3.5 hours.
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Post by: Arno Roux on January 06, 2013, 01:42:06 pm
Maar Neil volg nie die Dakar nie. sy arm is mos gebreek
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Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 06, 2013, 01:44:25 pm
When is the TV coverage?
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 01:46:03 pm
Maar Neil volg nie die Dakar nie. sy arm is mos gebreek
S'true, hy "volg' dit van  agter sy keyboard  :ricky:
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 01:47:56 pm
When is the TV coverage?

22h00 on SuperSport every day
Not sure about any live feeds today, havn't heard of any.
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 01:49:37 pm
So this is how Kevin Muggleton's day started:
"Good morning! Getting packed up to go for a ride, but have a three hour transit to get there so I'm snarking coffee and just caught up."
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2013, 02:11:36 pm
When is the TV coverage?

22h00 on SuperSport every day
Not sure about any live feeds today, havn't heard of any.

If you go to www.mypremium.tv you can choose Eurosport UK and a stream on the top of the screen (close adverts) and watch the interviews ad footage at 7pm, and the highlights at 00h00 RSA time.
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 02:18:52 pm
Frans Verhoeven clearly not suffering from nerves before heading out into the dunes
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Post by: EtienneXplore on January 06, 2013, 02:21:20 pm
I hope the SA boys do very well this year!!

I am really rooting for the following dudes....
* Despres
* Darryl
* Riaan
* Ullevalsetter - this oke is probably my favourite, moer, he is just the most chilled out, boom rooking dude, I love it when he does an interview, the oke looks high all the time..... and he rides a green KTM!!


In the cars,  I am  really hoping Geniel pulls this one off, I am also rooting for my adopted country's man, Nasser Al Attiayh!!

Gonna be a good one this year!!

 :drif: :drif:
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2013, 02:29:28 pm
hehehe Knopkop I agree except Cyril Despres.
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 02:31:12 pm
From Darryl:
"Waiting at the start of the special.... It's getting warm ..."
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Post by: Karoo Rider on January 06, 2013, 02:34:44 pm
Not sure if this has been posted yet - awesome video footage of Cyril Depres showing how a stofskoeter should be ridden!
http://youtu.be/HcS7Tm6lUPQ
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 02:37:50 pm
Confirmation via Twitter that the first bikes are on the special, but live timing is dead  :angryfire:
Riaan due to leave any second now.

The start was apparently delayed by 15 minutes
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Post by: Takashi on January 06, 2013, 02:38:18 pm
I guess my productivity at work for the next 2 weeks is going to be shockingly low.

I really hope the saffers are going to do great. The toyota is up there with the other cars in spec this year so it should be good.
I wonder how long it is going to take Nasser to break the buggy. He has no idea how to regulate speed, its flat taps all the way. I like it. >:D

Robbie should give us some spectacular footage as always he brings the bad boy thing to Dakar.

As for the bikes, I really hope Darryl and Riaan can finish in the top 10.
I'm rooting for Pain to walk away with the win.

Other riders I'm looking out for is Barreda Bort and Laia Sanz, I really hope she does well this year.
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Post by: EtienneXplore on January 06, 2013, 02:46:33 pm

I wonder how long it is going to take Nasser to break the buggy. He has no idea how to regulate speed, its flat taps all the way. I like it. >:D


If you ever experience driving in Qatar you will understand!! Hell, I am surprised that not every single Qatari has entered the Dakar!!!

 :patch:


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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 02:51:31 pm
I am really rooting for the following dudes....
* Despres
* Darryl
* Riaan
* Ullevalsetter
* Despres
* Rodrigues
* Barreda
That would be my ideal podium this year, but preferably not in that order  :lol8:
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 02:53:47 pm
Hmm, delay is now 30 minutes. I wonder whether anybody has left yet.....
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Post by: Takashi on January 06, 2013, 03:10:26 pm

I wonder how long it is going to take Nasser to break the buggy. He has no idea how to regulate speed, its flat taps all the way. I like it. >:D


If you ever experience driving in Qatar you will understand!! Hell, I am surprised that not every single Qatari has entered the Dakar!!!


I visited my parents there two years ago. Spent a month in Doha, I am fully aware of the driving style of most Qataris.

National day showed me the breaking point of a Landcruiser... Takes about 45mins bouncing off the rev limiter for the reliable Toyota 4.5 V8 to blow the engine.
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 03:13:11 pm
LOPEZ in on WP 1.....16m25s
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 03:14:48 pm
Riaan starts the stage  :thumleft:
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2013/us/stage-2/live-timing/sector-2-dss-bikes-hours.html
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 03:16:44 pm
Despres on a flyer!
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Post by: Brandt on January 06, 2013, 03:16:55 pm
Who is in south america following the dakar from the wilddog's
There is no South African supporters tour this year, but BluBull2007 lives in Lima and is an encyclopedia of information.
Darryl phones comments in every day (http://www.darrylcurtis.co.za/broadlink-ktm-rally-home/index.html) as well as posting stuff on both facebook and twitter.
Brett and Glen similarly use facebook and twitter, and their team (GHR) post quite a lot on their website.
Bits are posted on Youtube, but ASO gets miffed and the unofficial ones get removed quite quickly. Some of the official ones are good though.
But most of the info comes from the F5ire hose (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=852309)

Voila!
Hi Steve, do you know where the torrent is available on advriders. I have send the guy a pm but did not receive any feedback.
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 03:18:44 pm
Who is in south america following the dakar from the wilddog's
There is no South African supporters tour this year, but BluBull2007 lives in Lima and is an encyclopedia of information.
Darryl phones comments in every day (http://www.darrylcurtis.co.za/broadlink-ktm-rally-home/index.html) as well as posting stuff on both facebook and twitter.
Brett and Glen similarly use facebook and twitter, and their team (GHR) post quite a lot on their website.
Bits are posted on Youtube, but ASO gets miffed and the unofficial ones get removed quite quickly. Some of the official ones are good though.
But most of the info comes from the F5ire hose (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=852309)

Voila!
Hi Steve, do you know where the torrent is available on advriders. I have send the guy a pm but did not receive any feedback.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=851988
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 03:22:03 pm
First lot are in on WP 1
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 03:33:27 pm
Van Niekerk in on WP 1
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 03:35:47 pm
Van Niekerk in on WP 1
Eish, fast!
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 03:44:34 pm
Yep!

Looks like he's giving it horns from the start.

Hope Riaan can sustain that kind of speed over the next two weeks
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 03:48:03 pm
Darryl through WP1, also shifting
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 03:49:15 pm
Darryl through WP1, also shifting

 :hello2:
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 03:53:11 pm
Riaan in a hurry, through WP2
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 03:56:06 pm
Darryl through WP 2
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 04:02:33 pm
@ WP 2 Darryl currently holding 18th position and Riaan holding 21st position
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 04:09:25 pm
Tracking shows Glen has started, but no Brett?
WTF?
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 04:12:18 pm
'At kilometer 75 of the special, the leaders of the race are gone too northeast while the track turns west, or perhaps they have chosen to bypass the dune instead of head on. Grouped in a beautiful shot, everyone went his detour driven by Francisco Lopes. The recipient of this episode could be Cyril Despres who returned in the immediate aftermath of the leader.
dakar.com"

English version - the leaders made a nav error and Despres is cashing in.
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 04:14:35 pm
Both Mischa's site and the ASO site have been spotty today (early days? still sorting out crap?)

Let's hope nothings wrong
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 04:17:49 pm
   @ WP 1   -   (108)   101 - WALDSCHMIDT Ingo (NAM)   KTM   +00:08:42   (104)
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 04:19:52 pm
   @ WP 1   -   (108)   101 - WALDSCHMIDT Ingo (NAM)   KTM   +00:08:42   (104)
:cheers:

Barreda @WP3 1st, 2nd Casteu @8m12s, 3rd Despres @9m48s
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 04:27:12 pm
Found Brett   :thumleft:
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 04:29:08 pm
Brett just turned up at WP1
 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 04:33:58 pm
Reeves also on the way.

All the Africans are now on the road  :ricky:
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Post by: Alan on January 06, 2013, 04:49:56 pm
 :o
Daryl gave that 2nd stage horns.. He's gone through in 11th!! unless there's a big timing glitch, but from 25th to 11th, going right past Riaan.
Let's wait and see.
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 04:51:23 pm
Riaan through WP 3

Brett and Ingo through WP 2
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 04:55:47 pm
:o
Daryl gave that 2nd stage horns.. He's gone through in 11th!! unless there's a big timing glitch, but from 25th to 11th, going right past Riaan.
Let's wait and see.


Might have something to do with some of the front runners going a bit astray
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 04:57:36 pm
Argentina's Pablo Alejandro Busin ran off the course 40 km into today's special. He emerged unscathed but his motorcycle was destroyed by fire.
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 05:10:50 pm
Riaan and Darryl through WP 4
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 05:14:22 pm
16:06 Bikes: Barreda Bort leads the way
We'd seen Joan Barreda Bord near Cyril Despres and, at the km 163 checkpoint, with roughly 75 km to go in the timed section, he's still in the leading group together with Despres, Verhoeven, Lopes and Faria. As the last of them to start (in tenth place overall), Barreda Bort seems to have posted the best performance. To be confirmed as soon as the CP times are published.
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 05:37:56 pm
Better late than never

Giniel  at the start on day one

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-1.jpg)
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Post by: Hondsekierie on January 06, 2013, 05:44:07 pm
Darryl definitely on a good roll :thumleft:

Ride it like you stole mate!!

Edit:

That Barreda is extremely quick.  Good for the competition now that Mark is out
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 05:52:50 pm
Go Husky!
Everybody progressing shap. I remian more fascinated with the guys near the back of the field, I think they have a much tougher time than the front guys.
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 05:54:31 pm
According to @Bluebull2007 "7 bikes riding together just came past my contact 1 minute from the finish"

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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 05:59:33 pm
First bikes in.

Not showing on the WP though.

I think the tracking sites are stuck again
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 06:07:01 pm
Courtesy of BlueBull on advR

"9 bikes side by side coming through to the finish, curtis is in that group followed by 1 more."
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Post by: Alan on January 06, 2013, 06:10:04 pm
 ???

I agree. Haven't seen Daryl for over an hour.. WP6 still showing the same guys.. Daryl should have been through there already.. At WP4 he had apparently passed Deprez.
Even the NL site's not updating. stressed eric.  :patch:
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Post by: blazes on January 06, 2013, 06:10:19 pm
Darryl definitely on a good roll :thumleft:

Ride it like you stole mate!!

Edit:

That Barreda is extremely quick.  Good for the competition now that Mark is out






speedbrain - offroad performance

 
Joan seems to be on the run: P1 at WP4, Matt 3rd !!!
 Paulo and Alessandro got stuck in the sand at km75 but they are back on their way
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 06:13:35 pm

16:19 Bikes: Yes, Barreda Bort is in the lead
Indeed, the Spaniard holds the best time 163 kilometres into the special, almost 8'30' ahead of Portugal's Ruben Faria and a further 37' ahead of Norway's Ullevålseter. The latter is on the radar of South African Darryl Curtis, who has a meager 6' margin over David Casteu. The rider from the French Riviera is a minute ahead of Cyril Despres, who set the provisional tenth best time behind Olivier Pain and Jeremías Israel Esquerres.


16:56 Bikes: Joan Barreda Bort clinches the stage!
Spain's Joan Barreda Bort was the fastest today, covering 240 km in 2 h 42'31'. He beat Portugal's Ruben Faria by 6'26'. David Casteu made a strong comeback in the latter half of the special and lies third at the moment, with seven riders across the finish line. Cyril Despres conceded 10'10' to the stage winner and Francisco López lost almost 18 minutes.
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Post by: Dogboxelectric on January 06, 2013, 06:15:21 pm
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Post by: Alan on January 06, 2013, 06:20:21 pm
Whew.. Daryl in 9th!!  :3some: He rode it like he stole it...
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 06:24:21 pm
Darryl you beauty!
 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 06:26:30 pm
So far on the Dakar site
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 06:34:10 pm
The live tracking is just a tiny little bit frustrating  :BangHead:
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 06:35:06 pm
17:23 Bikes: The world on its head
We have a clearer picture of Joan Barreda Bort's comfortable victory now that the first 20 riders have crossed the finish line. Juan Pedrero García came in second, 3'26' down. Matt Fish posted the third best time, ahead of Ruben Faria, Kurt Caselli and Darryl Curtis, who overtook David Casteu and Jordi Viladoms. Olivier Pain, Cyril Despres and Alain Duclos have slipped to eleventh, twelfth and thirteenth in the stage classification.
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Post by: Kenisis on January 06, 2013, 06:35:59 pm
The live tracking is just a tiny little bit frustrating  :BangHead:
:snorting: Sadly!  :snorting:
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Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 06:37:44 pm
The live tracking is just a tiny little bit frustrating  :BangHead:

Bugger!!!!

I hope they sort this out soon.

Even the f5 boys were battling a bit there.   :lamer:
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Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 06:41:21 pm
Riaan just finished the stage.
Seems like he had a bit of a difficult day?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 06, 2013, 06:42:56 pm
Darryl should move up considerably in the overall rankings with this good stage performance. We all know this boykie is super quick -  Riaan must just play sum catch up so that they can pair a bit closer.

I think Despres, Lopez and Rodriquez took things a bit easy, hence the huge gap between them and Barreda  :lol8:

Looking at that massive dune which everyone's been battling (incl cars) I wonder if there will be any time penalties with okes seeking alternative ways around it.  Let's hope not

Thanks for all the updates inmates :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Alan on January 06, 2013, 06:43:03 pm
We have a clearer picture of Joan Barreda Bort's comfortable victory now that the first 20 riders have crossed the finish line. Juan Pedrero García came in second, 3'26' down. Matt Fish posted the third best time, ahead of Ruben Faria, Kurt Caselli and Darryl Curtis, who overtook David Casteu and Jordi Viladoms. Olivier Pain, Cyril Despres and Alain Duclos have slipped to eleventh, twelfth and thirteenth in the stage classification.

That means Daryl's finished 6th!!!  :3some: Need a clap hands icon here...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 06:45:24 pm
We have a clearer picture of Joan Barreda Bort's comfortable victory now that the first 20 riders have crossed the finish line. Juan Pedrero García came in second, 3'26' down. Matt Fish posted the third best time, ahead of Ruben Faria, Kurt Caselli and Darryl Curtis, who overtook David Casteu and Jordi Viladoms. Olivier Pain, Cyril Despres and Alain Duclos have slipped to eleventh, twelfth and thirteenth in the stage classification.

That means Daryl's finished 6th!!!  :3some: Need a clap hands icon here...
:hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: whitedelight on January 06, 2013, 06:45:33 pm
Curtis obviously did not get lost and scored,awesome
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 06:48:13 pm
Paul Jay ‏@pauljaydakar
Sorry guys I'm out of the Dakar but ok, just waiting for x-rays to check my right shoulder has gone back in ok. I now know what 3 x !!!
and then a bit later
Means, shear drop off in this case, doh! Best not taken a speed :-( My mate Kevin Muggleton out as well in the same place, he's ok but t ...

Confirmed:
Kevin Muggleton and Paul Jay out as per @pauljaydakar some sort of fall, but both are OK
Please be careful Brett/Glen/David/Ingo.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 06:54:54 pm
Live at the arrival line
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 06:59:50 pm
Simon Pavey is in.
I like him, not sure why. I think he won a lot of supporters when he changed his engine out in the dunes two years ago and kept going, even after losing loads of time. Big brass ones.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: whitedelight on January 06, 2013, 07:01:33 pm
Simon Pavey is in.
I like him, not sure why. I think he won a lot of supporters when he changed his engine out in the dunes two years ago and kept going, even after losing loads of time. Big brass ones.
:thumleft:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2013, 07:02:42 pm
According to @Bluebull2007 "7 bikes riding together just came past my contact 1 minute from the finish"



Thanks for x- posting sometimes I simply dont have the time to do it myself!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2013, 07:03:49 pm
I think Brett will be okay, Im hoping Glen will be okay too but he is quite far back and its now the hottest time of day, in ripped up dunes.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Motties on January 06, 2013, 07:04:29 pm
GO DC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Kenisis on January 06, 2013, 07:05:22 pm
I think Brett will be okay, Im hoping Glen will be okay too but he is quite far back and its now the hottest time of day, in ripped up dunes.
I think he will be Fine for today but as the raqlly goes on it could take its toll! (I can Relate!)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 07:06:27 pm
http://www.colgadodelcable.com.ar/iframes/foxsports/

foxsports live
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Takashi on January 06, 2013, 07:07:00 pm
Well done to everyone that made it safely to the end of Stage 2.

Good luck to the guys still out there.

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 07:09:03 pm
According to @Bluebull2007 "7 bikes riding together just came past my contact 1 minute from the finish"



Thanks for x- posting sometimes I simply dont have the time to do it myself!  :thumleft:

Thanks for the time and effort you put in your reports Neil

Sure I speak for all, much appreciated boet
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 07:11:31 pm
The timing just came back from the dead - for a minte, then croaked again  >:(
I think Glen may be in a bit of trouble.
I think there are lots of middle and back of the field guys who are in trouble out there in the dunes.
Keep going Glen !
 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 07:12:50 pm
I wonder what happened to Riaan today?

He started off so well then lost about twenty places.

Navigation problems?

He is very fast, but still new to road book racing.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: whitedelight on January 06, 2013, 07:14:45 pm
Well done Brett,good day in the saddle
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 07:18:30 pm
18:03 Bikes: General classification after the second stage
Joan Barredo Bort's tour de force propelled him to the top of the general classification, where he now commands a lead of 5'36' over Ruben Faria and 6'36' over Juan Pedrero García. David Casteu (+6'54') lies fourth and Cyril Despres (+8'50') fifth. Aussie Matt Fish (+9'18') is sixth, just ahead of Darryl Curtis. The South African is followed by Pål Ullevålseter (+9'27'), Jordi Viladoms (+9'35') and Jeremías Israel Esquerre (+9'39'). The major casualty of today's stage was former leader Francisco López, who now has a deficit of 15'49' to make up. Frans Verhoeven (+13'44') lies two places above him.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 07:28:12 pm
CP1 Cars: [/b]
1 Peterhansel 1h39'32
2 Chabot 1'52
3 Villiers 2'33  :thumleft:
4 Novit 6'47
5 Holowc 9'53
6 Alvarez 11'40
7 Al-Atti 13'31
8 Sainz 20'19

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 07:34:29 pm
David, Ingo and Brett all finished !  :thumleft:
Looks like David had a good day.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 07:41:48 pm
TEAM HRC ‏@RallyTeamHRC
Pisco bivouac this is where The Riders and The team eat
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Leo on January 06, 2013, 07:44:13 pm
Keep going Glen !

 :thumleft:

Hope it's not serious ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 07:45:39 pm
Some photos of the Husky's, from yesterday
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 07:48:21 pm
Still no word on Glen though

Tracking doesn't show him at WP 3 yet
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Breekbeen on January 06, 2013, 07:52:46 pm
Looks like De Villiers are doing really good. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 08:04:20 pm
Stephane Peterhansel, first vehicle in.
(Couldn't he SEE that Glen was sukkeling in the dunes, and give the guy a helping hand?   :biggrin:)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 08:11:08 pm
What can't they do something like this for Dakar? Even if it is delayed by 30 minutes to prevent live updates being sent to competitors, at least we would be able to see where the *&%^! Glen is, and whether he is moving  !

 :cussing:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 08:15:51 pm
OVERALL RANKINGS FOR THE AFRICANS SO FAR:

7th  - Darryl Curtis(37)          @9m19s behind leader
33rd- Riaan v.Niekerk(40)     @22m36s
69th- David Reeves(102)      @51m36s
75th- Ingo Waldschmidt(101)@54m22s
79th- Brett Cummings(89)    @55m37s
------- Glen Grundy(91)         @---------
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 08:22:51 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/2_hfrfFiw8A

http://www.youtube.com/v/Z3HAdHTSI9c
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 08:41:19 pm
Darryl and Riaan's Phone2Blog is up at http://www.darrylcurtis.co.za/
Darryl claims he got a bit lucky with the navigation, and that explains his good showing today.
Kak man, he rode like the wind  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 06, 2013, 08:47:47 pm
Lucky, if it wasn't for Helder! Riaan does not mention anything about his drop in rankings  :patch:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 08:56:44 pm
Come on Glen !

 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
   :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
     :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
       :hello2: :hello2:
          :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: sidetrack on January 06, 2013, 09:01:44 pm
Also watch Kurt Caselli if he manages to master the navigation
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 09:03:10 pm
France's Gilles Gard helping a spectator to get the true taste of Dakar!

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-2.jpg)
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Post by: Avontier on January 06, 2013, 09:15:01 pm
SIPSKRAAIPT
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: GARTHVADER on January 06, 2013, 09:22:19 pm
Robbie gordon only made up 114 places today :notworthy:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 09:23:47 pm
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Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: alli on January 06, 2013, 09:28:23 pm
Guys' I think glen is out.....


Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Tuareg on January 06, 2013, 09:31:06 pm
Guys' I think glen is out.....


Mmmmmmm........  Not looking good, is it!?!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 09:33:08 pm
Guys' I think glen is out.....

It's not looking good  :crybaby2:
Come on Glen, give us a miracle  :angel8:

One of the riders posted "I'm in - massive soft dunes today - now under small umbrella they have left for the malle moto competitors to do mechanics - Too hot!!!"
Check the poor horse in the photo below....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: madmike999 on January 06, 2013, 09:33:46 pm
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Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 09:58:40 pm
Highlights now (22h00) on SS2
That oke on the Kawasaki looked like he was trying to copy my riding style, but he gave it away with a miracle recovery bit. Amazing!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Tuareg on January 06, 2013, 10:00:19 pm
Highlights now (22h00) on SS2

Online streaming.......?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Africamike on January 06, 2013, 10:00:47 pm
Come on Glen.........please...... :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Leo on January 06, 2013, 10:07:17 pm
Come on Glen.........please...... :sip:


+ 1000  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 06, 2013, 10:11:37 pm
Darryl got a great mention in the TV broadcast, go DC!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Bubby on January 06, 2013, 10:16:43 pm
Darryl got a great mention in the TV broadcast, go DC!!!

Geez did u see that tankslapper on the highlight package !!??
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 10:19:54 pm
From Darryl:
"Thanks for all the well wishes everyone, i had an amazing day today, i hooked up with Helder rodriques at the right time and we found the right track while some others were lost, tomorrow, will be much harder and i will have to navigate more, they are going to eat me ha ha"
and also
"Enjoyed my ride today, I hooked up with some fast guys and managed a 6th in stage can you believe it ! Tomorrow will be a lot harder, as we have to find the way, I will just have to do my best....."
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 06, 2013, 10:21:28 pm
Darryl got a great mention in the TV broadcast, go DC!!!

Geez did u see that tankslapper on the highlight package !!??

Looked like a circus stunt


Come on Glen.........please...... :sip:


+ 1000  :thumleft:

Yip, really holding thumbs all OK
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 10:27:09 pm
From Rally Management Services:
"Kevin fractured his L2 vertebrae but is doing fine. He is on his way to Lima, but I was able to talk to him at the medical tent. It was on a steep dune drop (!!!). Paul Jay, other UK rider also crashed in same spot and is out with dislocated shoulder."

Not lekka when riders get hurt....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Breekbeen on January 06, 2013, 10:37:24 pm
Darryl got a great mention in the TV broadcast, go DC!!!

Geez did u see that tankslapper on the highlight package !!??

As dit ek was sou ek maar eers moes stop om my gat af te vee.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 06, 2013, 10:38:31 pm
Come on Glen.........please...... :sip:


+ 1000  :thumleft:

Come on Glen! We all holding thumbs
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2013, 10:51:18 pm
From Darryl:
"Thanks for all the well wishes everyone, i had an amazing day today, i hooked up with Helder rodriques at the right time and we found the right track while some others were lost, tomorrow, will be much harder and i will have to navigate more, they are going to eat me ha ha"
and also
"Enjoyed my ride today, I hooked up with some fast guys and managed a 6th in stage can you believe it ! Tomorrow will be a lot harder, as we have to find the way, I will just have to do my best....."

Love the guy. Is he ever serious?

What a fantastic day for him. Hopefully he can hold it up there. Tomorrow is another tough day of navigating.

COME ON GLEN!!!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2013, 10:52:11 pm
Did you guys see that pic of the bike burning out in the desert? One of the Argy guys crashed, he is okay but the bike is gone  :'( :-\

This race is brutal, just brutal.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: Bubby on January 06, 2013, 11:05:05 pm
Did you guys see that pic of the bike burning out in the desert? One of the Argy guys crashed, he is okay but the bike is gone  :'( :-\

This race is brutal, just brutal.


15:34 Bikes: Busin back at the bivouac
Argentina's Pablo Alejandro Busin ran off the course 40 km into today's special. He emerged unscathed but his motorcycle was destroyed by fire.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 06, 2013, 11:12:25 pm
Well done Daryll - world class! :thumleft:

Well done Husky (and Barreda)  :thumleft:

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/185713_2613410630166_406986217_n.jpg)



Holding thumbs for Glen!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 06, 2013, 11:15:20 pm
That Honda looks very wide - am I the only one that finds it a bit clunky?

(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/62.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 11:16:31 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/LnLOvCRZrTk
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 11:19:50 pm
That Honda looks very wide - am I the only one that finds it a bit clunky?
Yup, me too. Same way that I find this clunky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2013, 11:37:45 pm
From Giniel:
"Another pic of the bivouac with some ice cold Red Bull!"
Those shadows are looking quite long. Come on Glen, before it gets too dark  :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Bring It On on January 06, 2013, 11:40:19 pm
Subscribe :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Lourens ツ on January 06, 2013, 11:49:34 pm
Subscribe  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 12:15:38 am
The "Kawasaki moment"  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/v/DMWfTs3P6Y4
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 07, 2013, 05:28:39 am
I am seeing Brett at WP7 in 71st place on the Dakar website but nothing on Glen

Any word from Glen, anyone?

 ???
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Leo on January 07, 2013, 05:53:08 am
Glen's name doesn't appear on the withdrawals list on the Dakar official website!

Could it be that he is still racing?

If that is the case - RESPECT.   :thumleft:

Come on Glen, please show up somewhere!  ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Arno Roux on January 07, 2013, 06:06:15 am
Nerens wys dit nog dat Glen klaar is nie.

Die gewag maak my klaar. Glo hy sal ok wees
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Arno Roux on January 07, 2013, 06:11:06 am
Niks nuwe nuus op Brett se web site ook nie
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 06:31:41 am
Nothing yet from Glen, but he also hasn't sent any emails/SMSs/tweets. Could it be that the old bugger is still out there trying?
Come on Glen!

"The night will be long in the desert for some competitors"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 07, 2013, 06:35:17 am
HoldingThumbs for Glen! I hope that there is a problem with their system and thats why he is not showing. On The flipside there is no  news from their FB page either! Maybe he is still out in the desert waiting for recovery?

8 riders out on the First real stage and i am sure many more will follow them today and Tomorow. I read somewhere that they reckon the first 5 days would in all probablilty remove 40% of the Field! Dakar lives upto its Name!

If it were Easy we would all be there!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Leo on January 07, 2013, 06:35:44 am
Could it be that the old bugger is still out there trying?
Come on Glen!

I hope that is the case :3some:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 06:38:46 am
Luis BELAUSTEGUI apparently blew his engine, but managed to repair it using his entrant bracelet and finish the stage... GO LUIS !

Then from Neduro:
"Have you ever had an intense period in your life where the sensation of time became non-linear? That's how Dakar feels. Even though it's only Day 2, the extended buildup, and the organization that came together in the days before the start, the people who are a part of the race are already settling into a timeless feeling, where everything you can remember is the race and everything you can foresee is the race. You are part of a living breathing moving thing, and it is all consuming.

The rhythm of the bivouac is very simple. Its strength comes not from what is done there, but from what is not done there- anything not related to getting thru the next day, to going fast. Morning comes early, a mediocre meal at the food tent, getting dressed, and trying to wrap your head around the details of the day- how many K's to gas, the GPS code, start time and liaison details. The liaison begins, and it's a beautiful ride, and a beautiful chance to reflect, all alone in the helmet.

Then there's the special. You'll get there a little early, refill your drink bladder, eat some food, prep your goggles and let the pre-race jitters build. The first few days are the worst, but it never becomes normal to leave on the stage. A million what-ifs bounce around while you try to pee. I watched Marc Coma attempt to pee on 7 different bushes last year, so it's not just me... eventually you are off, and the worries fade. Now you're doing what you love, what you came to do, what you've dreamed of. It feels like where you should be, because it is.

When you finish the special, it's a huge feeling of relief and elation... but it doesn't last long, because now there's work to do. There's another liaison, finding your team in the bivouac, and getting ready for tomorrow. A long time ago is measured in hours, the farthest ahead you can see is tomorrow."
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: MrBig on January 07, 2013, 06:41:31 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/3OU-N8dtsUk
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 07, 2013, 07:34:08 am
Jeez with our Wild dog FBI, CIA freinds surely we can find out what is happening to Glen? If we could trace some dimwit selling Stolen stuff an legit guy in the peruvian desert would be a piece of cake! Some one get that Satellite up overhead!

Does any one have his phone number? Maybe we should give him a call with some encouragement?  :peepwall:

Informationless like this is killing me!
 :eek7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 07, 2013, 07:51:44 am
 :salut:   :headbang:   :notworthy:


Neil.. awesome work boet, spot on with your analysis of the route.  :thumleft:

When all else fails read the (Neil's) instructions  :deal:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 08:01:05 am
Quote
Neil.. awesome work boet, spot on with your analysis of the route.  

When all else fails read the (Neil's) instructions  

Ja pretty uncanny Google Earth skills!

Still no news of Glen?

Really hope he is OK.

I see the guy on the 150 two stroke made a cylinder head gasket out of his security bracelet or something like that and made it in  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 07, 2013, 08:04:11 am
Brett cummings with Ingo Waldscmidt sneaking up behind him

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 07, 2013, 08:06:43 am
I don't see Glens name on the withdrawals list, so maybe hope still.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: dirtyXT on January 07, 2013, 08:09:36 am
Well done Daryll - world class! :thumleft:

Well done Husky (and Barreda)  :thumleft:

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/185713_2613410630166_406986217_n.jpg)



Holding thumbs for Glen!
great pic!!! subscribe!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Ratt on January 07, 2013, 08:10:20 am
Die ouens moet minder wheelie en speel in die sand  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Jman on January 07, 2013, 08:33:29 am
 :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bmad on January 07, 2013, 08:35:37 am
Apparently Glen has mechanical issues and is in the desert.

I do not have facebook, so if someone can check for us
https://www.facebook.com/Rallyerider

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 08:36:32 am
Glen isn't answering his phone
BUT
he is listed on today's starting list......
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2013/us/stage-3/live-timing/sector-1-df-bikes-hours.html

May we hope for miracles? :angel12:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 08:38:46 am
Apparently Glen has mechanical issues and is in the desert.
I do not have facebook, so if someone can check for us
Nothing on facebook.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2013, 08:44:40 am
That Honda looks very wide - am I the only one that finds it a bit clunky?

(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/62.jpg)

I'm just glad Honda is back and doing well ! The bike really is 5 years older than anything else out there.
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Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 09:06:19 am
 ???
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Post by: Kenisis on January 07, 2013, 09:09:07 am
That Honda looks very wide - am I the only one that finds it a bit clunky?

(http://www.dakar.com//PHOTOS/DAK/2013/100/62.jpg)

I'm just glad Honda is back and doing well ! The bike really is 5 years older than anything else out there.
Just goes to show that an ol Honda is an Excellent Bike! (Sorry Dan)
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Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 09:15:46 am
So first bike today starts the special at 14h00 South African time.
Our boys are due at:
   CURTIS Darryl (ZAF) 14:10:00
   VAN NIEKERK Riaan (ZAF) 14:40:30
   CUMMINGS Brett (ZAF) 15:01:00
   GRUNDY Glen (ZAF)  16:01:30 (pending small miracle  ;D)

Route details below. It looks like another monster! 243km special stage, followed by 96km connection.
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Post by: Kenisis on January 07, 2013, 09:16:46 am
???
Awesome Pics Steve! You cannot believe how Jaggggggggggggggssssssss it makes me to see these! One Day I will Be there!
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Post by: Kenisis on January 07, 2013, 09:18:07 am
   GRUNDY Glen (ZAF)  16:01:30 (pending small miracle  ;D)


I hope he has had a Good nights sleep in the Desert if he is to continue! I wonder what the mechanical issue was?

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Post by: Rickus on January 07, 2013, 09:32:11 am
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Post by: bud500 on January 07, 2013, 09:33:00 am
Thanks for all the effort with the updates guys!  :thumleft:
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Post by: Kerritz on January 07, 2013, 09:37:45 am
Thanks for all the effort with the updates guys!  :thumleft:

I concur......goeie werk!!  :thumleft:
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Post by: SpeedMetal on January 07, 2013, 09:42:10 am
Kom Glen, kom Glen, kom Glen

My F5 is al deur gewerk, en dit is maar dag 3!
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Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 09:52:52 am
One Day I will Be there!

When you get there (not if, when!), if you get stuck out in the dunes for the whole night and don't SMS/tweet/phone to say you're OK,
we will be :cussing: :angryfire: :angry9::
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Post by: SpeedMetal on January 07, 2013, 10:25:05 am
One Day I will Be there!

When you get there (not if, when!), if you get stuck out in the dunes for the whole night and don't SMS/tweet/phone to say you're OK,
we will be :cussing: :angryfire: :angry9::

X1000

We will then just have to come over there and look for you!
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Post by: madmax on January 07, 2013, 10:36:21 am
You are doing a superb job of building the tension Steve :thumleft:

I know I'm biased but that Husky definitely looks like the best tool for the job to me!

It looks so light and slim, compared to the other bikes!

Very sexy!

Thanks also for all the details about what tools the guys carry etc - very interesting.

husky doing good in stge 2 .....
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Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 10:49:39 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/GoIBL_sxPuI

http://www.youtube.com/v/vYbz0bIEUmA
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Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 10:54:08 am
Just go an email reply from the guys at GHR Honda. They have no better info than we have  ???. They believe Glen has mechanical issues, and promised to let me know as soon as they hear anything.....
The sun should be up in Peru in about 90 minutes, maybe Glen is having a lekker kip....
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Post by: whitedelight on January 07, 2013, 11:03:48 am
I really hope Glen is ok , would be sad to see him depart so early,especially due to mechanical issues.Too much hard work put in by him and team ..
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Post by: alli on January 07, 2013, 11:07:02 am
Giniel !!!!

Gooi Mielies .

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-11.jpg)
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Post by: Chili Dog on January 07, 2013, 11:10:26 am
Subscribe. Thanks to all contributors
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Post by: alli on January 07, 2013, 11:22:42 am
David Reeve #102(Zam)



(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-12.jpg)
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Post by: madmax on January 07, 2013, 11:23:14 am
Simon Pavey is in.
I like him, not sure why. I think he won a lot of supporters when he changed his engine out in the dunes two years ago and kept going, even after losing loads of time. Big brass ones.

smaaked pavey since that boorman race to dakar... pavey is a MAN amongst men
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Post by: alli on January 07, 2013, 11:31:02 am
OH BOY!!!!

WE'VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT OUR QUAD BOY   :o  :o  :o

SAREL VAN BILJON

CURRENTLY LYING IN 8TH POSITION   :blob6: :blob7: :blob5: :blob3:




Nine years after South Africa's Cornel De Villiers won the Dakar on a quad, Sarel Van Biljon, inspired by what his compatriot achieved, shows up for his first experience on the Dakar. Fully committed to this new challenge on an E-ATV, the big South African hopes to impress. Unlike many newcomers, for Sarel: it's not about finishing the Dakar, it's all about giving it a run. The 38-year-old aims at a Top 5 spot.

“The Dakar is a lifelong dream. I've always been addicted to motorsports and quads. I remember watching the first South African to do the Dakar on a quad, Cornel De Villiers. He was a bit of an inspiration. After winning the South-African cross-country championship, everything fell in place to do the Dakar. I'm fully committed to this project, competing in the Transanatolia and Morocco. I'm not doing the Dakar to finish it. I'm giving it a run. I'm not going to hold back. I want to be among the Top 5 quads. And it's definitely not a 1 shot experience. On the other hand I'm not 100% sure of what to expect. My main concern is that lack of experience that could make me miss a way-point in the dunes. I'm not too worried about the dangerous side of the Dakar. I'm a lot more mature now. I don't want to fall anymore. If I make no mistakes, if I have no navigation problems, I have a fair chance against the others. It's a wait and see race…”

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-13.jpg)
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Post by: bmad on January 07, 2013, 11:32:10 am

smaaked pavey since that boorman race to dakar... pavey is a MAN amongst men

Agreed, seems like just a plain simple man as well.
He was really hoping his son would ride with him this year, but his app was rejected.

He only wants to finish  :thumleft:
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Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 11:39:05 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/kjWvAWo3HoQ
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Post by: Kenisis on January 07, 2013, 11:40:50 am
Just go an email reply from the guys at GHR Honda. They have no better info than we have  ???. They believe Glen has mechanical issues, and promised to let me know as soon as they hear anything.....
The sun should be up in Peru in about 90 minutes, maybe Glen is having a lekker kip....

Ive tried to ride in the dark once, and only once. You will kill yourself if you do ride, there is just too many black holes. I think if he is in the desert sleeping it would be the best thing till the sun rises and then he can ride out.

If he continues he will have one of the longest days in history, Cause its a Dune day again today!

Come Glen we are all rooting for you!
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Post by: Arno Roux on January 07, 2013, 11:46:41 am
Hoe laat is die laaste wat hy mag inkom voordat hy gewyer word om aante gaan
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Post by: Kenisis on January 07, 2013, 11:49:30 am

smaaked pavey since that boorman race to dakar... pavey is a MAN amongst men

Agreed, seems like just a plain simple man as well.
He was really hoping his son would ride with him this year, but his app was rejected.

He only wants to finish  :thumleft:
I had a lekker chat and a few beers with him at the challenge in 2011. One of the most memoral moments was when a Guys from Durbs Angelo Bardone pipes up " Simon! you guys are so lucky to race the Dakar! I wish i could be like you!" Simons reply " Be like the rest of us and use your Credit Card!"

His approach is think positively and you will achieve what you want! A real nice Guy!

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (JUST 1 DAY TO GO!!)
Post by: madmax on January 07, 2013, 11:49:45 am
Highlights now (22h00) on SS2
That oke on the Kawasaki looked like he was trying to copy my riding style, but he gave it away with a miracle recovery bit. Amazing!

that ou doesnt know how lucky he was..no i guess he does..hope he got spare trousers to change into
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Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 11:57:42 am
Hoe laat is die laaste wat hy mag inkom voordat hy gewyer word om aante gaan
Ek is nie 100% seker nie, maar ek dink as hy sy wegspring tyd mis, dan is hy uit. As dit so is, het hy tot 16:01:30 ZA time vanmiddag.
Can somebody confirm? I seem to remember some rider last year that basically rode straight through the bivuoac, finished one stage and started the next one all at the same time!

However, if he were to miraculously make it, this is what lies in wait:

Stage 3: Pizco - Nasca
You could say the second stage was when the 2013 Dakar got serious, but the next stage should be even more challenging  from the first 80 kilometres. The toughest part is concentrated in the beginning, with steeper, more difficult dunes, whereas the last 150 kilometres will take the participants through more rolling terrain. The drivers and riders will set off from Pisco towards Nazca, along the ocean, and will have to be 100% focused in the finale. On paper, the twists and turns of the previous stage are just a preview of what we'll see over the next few hours. Peterhansel, Barreda Bort, Patronelli and De Rooy still hold slim leads. Their rivals are down but not out and could well launch a counterattack on Monday. Mudguards and bumpers will be put to the test during a long, difficult week...
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Post by: Tuareg on January 07, 2013, 12:02:39 pm
170  91  GRUNDY, Glen (ZAF)     08:58:30
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Post by: Tuareg on January 07, 2013, 12:03:41 pm
Amazing stuff........
You're one tough dude
Good luck with the rest of the race
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Post by: I&horse on January 07, 2013, 12:07:39 pm
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Post by: Takashi on January 07, 2013, 12:09:15 pm
170  91  GRUNDY, Glen (ZAF)     08:58:30

Congrats Glen, now go grab some rest, you are going to need it for today. :thumleft:
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Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 12:12:52 pm
From www.simonpavey.com:

Stage Two – Pisco to Pisco – 328km
 
Simon has a strong second day on the first real stage of the 2013 Dakar Rally as the race begins to claim it’s first victims.
 
The first real stage of the 2013 Dakar saw racers tackle the first difficult dunes of the race, with tricky navigation, high speeds and some dangerous sands catching many riders out and ending the event prematurely for many.
 
Despite the difficulties that many encountered, Delta Kunststoffe Husqvarna rider, Simon, rode consistently in a stage that saw the leader board flipped around. In claiming 54th place, Simon moved up a few spots in the overall standing and continued to avoid mistakes and trouble.
 
Don Hatton, the team’s second rider also had an uneventful and solid day in the sand as he came to grips with riding a new bike and bedding in with sand riding. Stage two saw Don roll into the end of the stage 163rd, a solid result for the Canadian as he looks to overcome his previous bad luck.
 
Simon Pavey – “ I really enjoyed the stage today, I’m not a massive fan of the big speed stuff but actually it was really fun. I didn’t push hard at all, I just cruised along at a good pace and ended the day with a decent result. We are so early in the race, there is no need to push and make mistakes. A few people went out of the race today and I can see why. The stage had some dangerous bits and it was quite hard to see them. There were a few areas with sand ‘waves’, the ground had baked hard there too and you just couldn’t see them. I think everyone had a few scary moments in them.
 
There was also some difficult navigation at about km 70. I missed the waypoint at first and had to turn back to find it. I think a few people made the same mistake too. The bike felt great again today, it’s just so easy to ride, and we have done a good job with it. There were a few difficult dunes today, the kind of thing that in the past has proved challenging but today I cruised through everything.
 
Don Hatton – “Today was exciting. It was a tough stage, lots of sand and really hot. The medics said it was 39 degrees in the stage. The sand was a little intimidating at first; some of the dunes were really big and soft.  I am so much more comfortable with the bike, it amazing in the sand. It was working really well; I wouldn’t change anything on it. It’s only the second day that I’ve ridden it but I feel so at home already on it.  Over the stage I was able to push on a little bit more, but my goal is just to finish this race
 
There were a few dangerous moments on the stage today too, I passed a few abandoned bikes from people crashing but the worst moment was when the lead cars caught me. Out of the ten that came past, only two used their sentinel’s, that’s terrifying.
 
I’m looking forward to getting these first few sand days behind us so we can get into the terrain that I do know and can ride. Tomorrow will be another hard day but I’m feeling really good about everything.”
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Post by: g1_ on January 07, 2013, 12:28:26 pm
Bad news for Glen Grundy - here's what happened (in his own words):
"Hey all. Interesting last 24 hours...I had a great 165 km start, transit and racing stage, and at 85km into the special, the Honda's engine blew up. Long line of oil behind me in the desert. Sat there until midnight, when the sweeper loaded my bike. I chased away the chopper twice, which wanted to load me, waiting for my backup to bring some assistance. It was not to be...Policeman brought me back to the bivouac, where it's 5am, and all waking up. My role will now adjust from Moto pilot, to team assistance and support. That's the way the world works sometimes. Ready to go to the dance, but no dancing shoes!!! Brett now has a personal skivvy, for the next 2 weeks. I will send pics and details shortly."
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Post by: Crossed-up on January 07, 2013, 12:31:19 pm
Aaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh!
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Post by: ThinkMike on January 07, 2013, 12:33:37 pm
Bad news - but great attitude  :thumleft:

Similar to Alfie's 2012 Dakar ending in flames.
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Post by: whitedelight on January 07, 2013, 12:34:50 pm
Bad news for Glen Grundy - here's what happened (in his own words):
"Hey all. Interesting last 24 hours...I had a great 165 km start, transit and racing stage, and at 85km into the special, the Honda's engine blew up. Long line of oil behind me in the desert. Sat there until midnight, when the sweeper loaded my bike. I chased away the chopper twice, which wanted to load me, waiting for my backup to bring some assistance. It was not to be...Policeman brought me back to the bivouac, where it's 5am, and all waking up. My role will now adjust from Moto pilot, to team assistance and support. That's the way the world works sometimes. Ready to go to the dance, but no dancing shoes!!! Brett now has a personal skivvy, for the next 2 weeks. I will send pics and details shortly."

That sucks
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Post by: Africamike on January 07, 2013, 12:38:11 pm
Feel for you Glen, must feel like the pits but at least you're ok  :)  Live to ride another day  :ricky:
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Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 12:45:28 pm
 :BangHead:
(but I'm glad Glen is OK)
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Post by: whitedelight on January 07, 2013, 12:47:48 pm
:BangHead:
(but I'm glad Glen is OK)

 :thumleft:
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Post by: the_wes on January 07, 2013, 12:48:02 pm
Sucks for Glen - great "that's racing" attitude though  :thumleft:

Imagine Barreda pulls this off and Husqvarna win the Dakar. The forum discussions in the aftermath will be gold  :peepwall:
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Post by: whitedelight on January 07, 2013, 12:50:20 pm
so the first bike would be off by now?? :thumleft:
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Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 12:56:02 pm
Bad news for Glen Grundy - here's what happened (in his own words):
"Hey all. Interesting last 24 hours...I had a great 165 km start, transit and racing stage, and at 85km into the special, the Honda's engine blew up. Long line of oil behind me in the desert. Sat there until midnight, when the sweeper loaded my bike. I chased away the chopper twice, which wanted to load me, waiting for my backup to bring some assistance. It was not to be...Policeman brought me back to the bivouac, where it's 5am, and all waking up. My role will now adjust from Moto pilot, to team assistance and support. That's the way the world works sometimes. Ready to go to the dance, but no dancing shoes!!! Brett now has a personal skivvy, for the next 2 weeks. I will send pics and details shortly."

Bugger!

Commiserations!

But thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes - still respect for making it there (very few can even do that) and giving it a solid go! :salut:
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Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 12:57:04 pm
Darryl Curtis scores his best Dakar Rally stage result with sixth place on stage two

The first serious special stage of the 2013 Dakar Rally, a 242-kilometre test in the deep, soft sand and dunes around Pisco in Peru in temperatures that reached 40 degrees Centigrade, saw the Broadlink KTM Rally Team’s Darryl Curtis record his best-ever stage result with a fine sixth place in the motorcycle category.
He now lies seventh overall, 9 min 19 sec behind overall leader Joan Barreda Bart of Spain on a Husqvarna and only 29 seconds behind 2012 winner Cyril Despres of France in fifth place, who was among several of the top riders he beat today.
The Spaniard won Saturday’s stage from Curtis’ factory KTM team-mate, Juan Pedrero of Spain, who is now third overall behind KTM team-mate Ruben Faria of Portugal.
 
Riaan van Niekerk, riding the second Broadlink KTM Rally Team machine, finished 38th after encountering navigation problems on his first real race day in the dunes and is 33rd overall, 22 min 36 sec behind the leader.
 
“I started off 25th this morning and managed to hook up with some of the fast riders,” said Curtis.  “I got lucky around the 75-kilometre mark when there was some confusion about the right route to follow.  I followed the experienced Portuguese Honda rider Helder Rodrigues (who finished third in the 2011 and 2012 Dakar Rallies) and we were correct when the others were wrong.  I rode with a group of about 10 of the top riders and had a really good stage, finishing ahead of Despres and Rodrigues.
“My navigation is not good, so I’m going to have to latch on to the top riders again and try and hold on to my position.”
Van Niekerk was pleased to have got through the first real test of this year’s Dakar.  “It was very dusty with lots of dunes.  I’m still getting used to riding my first Dakar and the navigating, which is difficult.  There are quite a few days ahead of me, so I can only improve.”
 
Monday’s stage three from Pisco to Nazca includes a 100-kilometre liaison section before a 243-kilometre special stage.  Ahead lies a sequence of dunes called Ergs in Africa.  All the competitors who go over them without getting stuck will be able to proudly breathe a sigh of relief.  Their reward will be to take advantage of the route along the sea front on the second half of the special stage, but they will have to beware of tracks at the end of the stage that will require all their skill and vigilance.
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Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 01:00:18 pm
so the first bike would be off by now?? :thumleft:
14h00?
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Post by: JK on January 07, 2013, 01:01:08 pm
If the starting times of the bikes is 06h43 in Argentia what time is it here is SA ?
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Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 01:02:28 pm
Sucks for Glen - great "that's racing" attitude though  :thumleft:

Imagine Barreda pulls this off and Husqvarna win the Dakar. The forum discussions in the aftermath will be gold  :peepwall:

Dont jinx it  :deal:

My completely unbiased opinion  ::) is that the Husky is the best bike there!

Everyone riding one just seems to be very happy with the bike - of course thats not just sponsor payback talk and must be the absolute truth right?  :biggrin:

But in reality - the ability of the rider is the biggest single factor in off road racing - always has been, always will be I suppose.  
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Post by: SpeedMetal on January 07, 2013, 01:06:29 pm
:BangHead:
(but I'm glad Glen is OK)

 :thumleft:

Ai tog, jammer om te hoor maar nou weet ons darem.  :P
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Post by: SpeedMetal on January 07, 2013, 01:09:55 pm
OH BOY!!!!

WE'VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT OUR QUAD BOY   :o  :o  :o

SAREL VAN BILJON

CURRENTLY LYING IN 8TH POSITION   :blob6: :blob7: :blob5: :

Hoe race mens met n quad as hy net die heel tyd wil donuts doen? :imaposer:
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Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2013, 01:16:44 pm
Got to hand it to Husky they sure know how to get a Kymco motor working well, the BMW 450 never had much luck in the previous Dakar's. But it's early days, lot's can still happen
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Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 01:17:43 pm
OH BOY!!!!

WE'VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT OUR QUAD BOY   :o  :o  :o

SAREL VAN BILJON

CURRENTLY LYING IN 8TH POSITION   :blob6: :blob7: :blob5: :

Hoe race mens met n quad as hy net die heel tyd wil donuts doen? :imaposer:

OK I almost sprayed my coffee out my nose  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 07, 2013, 01:22:47 pm
so if darryl managed a 6th yesterday and is currently running withion 10 minutes of leaders , and presume riaan becomes his waterboy....what does this august forum rate darryls chances at a podium spot as ..bearing in mind factory ride etc 
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Post by: dirtyXT on January 07, 2013, 01:26:19 pm
just read Graham Jarvis blog, seems him and Daryl Curtis are team mates!!! is this showing on DSTV?
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Post by: Arno Roux on January 07, 2013, 01:27:06 pm
Dis Jammer dat Glen uit is maar ons weet nou dat hy veilig is
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Post by: JK on January 07, 2013, 01:29:48 pm
On the website under Geniels profile they have his Dakar history listed as :

record (since 1999)
2012 :  Car  |  3th

2011 :  Car  |  2th | 1 stage victory

2010 :  Car  |  7th

2009 :  Car  |  1st | 4 stage victories

2007 :  Car  |  11th | 4 stage victories

2006 :  Car  |  2th | 1 stage victory

2005 :  Car  |  4th | 2 stage victories

2004 :  Bike  |  54th

2003 :  Car  |  5th

Is this s typo or did Geniel really do a Dakar on a bike as well
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Post by: alli on January 07, 2013, 01:32:00 pm
so if darryl managed a 6th yesterday and is currently running withion 10 minutes of leaders , and presume riaan becomes his waterboy....what does this august forum rate darryls chances at a podium spot as ..bearing in mind factory ride etc  

HMMM, GOOD QUESTION.

I think Darryl definitely has the talent, look how well he did last year with very little road book experience, something he has been working hard on for the last year.

My prediction(barring mechanical issues or a crash) in the top 15 at least.
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Post by: madmax on January 07, 2013, 01:36:04 pm
On the website under Geniels profile they have his Dakar history listed as :

record (since 1999)
2012 :  Car  |  3th

2011 :  Car  |  2th | 1 stage victory

2010 :  Car  |  7th

2009 :  Car  |  1st | 4 stage victories

2007 :  Car  |  11th | 4 stage victories

2006 :  Car  |  2th | 1 stage victory

2005 :  Car  |  4th | 2 stage victories

2004 :  Bike  |  54th

2003 :  Car  |  5th

Is this s typo or did Geniel really do a Dakar on a bike as well


typo i think...there was cornell who did a quad
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 07, 2013, 01:36:57 pm
so if darryl managed a 6th yesterday and is currently running withion 10 minutes of leaders , and presume riaan becomes his waterboy....what does this august forum rate darryls chances at a podium spot as ..bearing in mind factory ride etc  

HMMM, GOOD QUESTION.

I think Darryl definitely has the talent, look how well he did last year with very little road book experience, something he has been working hard on for the last year.

My prediction(barring mechanical issues or a crash) in the top 15 at least.
top 15 is same as last year i think ...was he 15 or 25 cant remember
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 07, 2013, 01:46:08 pm
so if darryl managed a 6th yesterday and is currently running withion 10 minutes of leaders , and presume riaan becomes his waterboy....what does this august forum rate darryls chances at a podium spot as ..bearing in mind factory ride etc 



HMMM, GOOD QUESTION.

I think Darryl definitely has the talent, look how well he did last year with very little road book experience, something he has been working hard on for the last year.

My prediction(barring mechanical issues or a crash) in the top 15 at least.
top 15 is same as last year i think ...was he 15 or 25 cant remember

He was 22nd.

As you get closer to the top, it gets exponentially more difficult to move up even one place.

So a top 15 in only his second Dakar would be awesome.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: tau on January 07, 2013, 01:46:41 pm
so if darryl managed a 6th yesterday and is currently running withion 10 minutes of leaders , and presume riaan becomes his waterboy....what does this august forum rate darryls chances at a podium spot as ..bearing in mind factory ride etc  

The difference between ruuning for a podium and top 10 is huge. I think a Top 10 ia AMAZING anything more is superhuman.

14th
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 01:58:10 pm
I agree - top 20 for Darryl would be great, top 15 would be brilliant, anything better would require a vast amount of luck (like he had yesterday with the navigation  :biggrin:)

Prediction for today (without sounding negative) - Darryl starts near the front of the field, and I think his relative lack of navigation experience will slow him down. So I don't expect today to go as brilliantly as yesterday.

However -
Behind him is a Frenchman on a mission, and I expect mudman will catch quite a few people today. If he can hang on close to him when he does catch him, maybe he can be towed along?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Sithe on January 07, 2013, 02:11:55 pm
Guys please explain to me the difficulty with navigation .... you have the road book and you have the tracks loaded in your gps

Not trying to be a smart ass ... just wondering how they can still catch you out ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2013, 02:20:13 pm
Really gutted to hear about Glen.  :-\ :'(

Guys please explain to me the difficulty with navigation .... you have the road book and you have the tracks loaded in your gps

Not trying to be a smart ass ... just wondering how they can still catch you out ?

Youre not following GPS tracks youre following a paper roadbook and navigation by distance and direction alone. GPS is there for the organisation to track you, thats it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2013, 02:21:03 pm
I agree - top 20 for Darryl would be great, top 15 would be brilliant, anything better would require a vast amount of luck (like he had yesterday with the navigation  :biggrin:)

Prediction for today (without sounding negative) - Darryl starts near the front of the field, and I think his relative lack of navigation experience will slow him down. So I don't expect today to go as brilliantly as yesterday.

However -
Behind him is a Frenchman on a mission, and I expect mudman will catch quite a few people today. If he can hang on close to him when he does catch him, maybe he can be towed along?

I concur, he will keep following others if he can.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: MrBig on January 07, 2013, 02:21:13 pm
there's no GPS tracks available
the roadbook is the primary navigation tool along with digital compass (cap& speed repeater or gps) and trip meter.
The GPS has limited functions and only show direction to wp's but only upon certain proximity to them afaik
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Grrrr.... on January 07, 2013, 02:22:12 pm
This thread is updating at a dizzying speed!

How many pages back from the start and what happened to Glen?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 07, 2013, 02:22:57 pm
Really gutted to hear about Glen.  :-\ :'(

Guys please explain to me the difficulty with navigation .... you have the road book and you have the tracks loaded in your gps

Not trying to be a smart ass ... just wondering how they can still catch you out ?

Youre not following GPS tracks youre following a paper roadbook and navigation by distance and direction alone. GPS is there for the organisation to track you, thats it.

i think waypoint switches on to gps when you within about 2km of waypoint...miss waypoint and u come back next year
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: JAmBer on January 07, 2013, 02:24:07 pm
I have a question about mechanical mods to these Rally bikes in light of glen's unfortunate engine failure. His bike was prepared by an Aussie race company, right? Do they make modifications to get more power out the bikes beyond the basics like exhaust pipe change? rallyerider quotes their bikes as doing 45kW. What's a stock CRF450 do?

I'm wondering if it isn't worth derating the engine's output in the interest of getting a more reliable machine. Surely a couple of kW here or there won't make or break your rally if you're not one of the aliens? But a blown engine and it's all over.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 02:24:40 pm
This thread is updating at a dizzying speed!
How many pages back from the start and what happened to Glen?

Glen's out, but he's OK. Engine FUBAR.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 07, 2013, 02:28:46 pm
so if darryl managed a 6th yesterday and is currently running withion 10 minutes of leaders , and presume riaan becomes his waterboy....what does this august forum rate darryls chances at a podium spot as ..bearing in mind factory ride etc  

The difference between ruuning for a podium and top 10 is huge. I think a Top 10 ia AMAZING anything more is superhuman.

14th
This race is in another stratosphere! A finish is as good ass gold at Olympics! I respect anyone who tries Finish or not. There is so much work required just to get to the Dakar the race is only half of it!

So John when are you entering?

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Sithe on January 07, 2013, 02:29:43 pm
Ok, thanks guys ... that helps ... so I guess the road book is not very clear then or it takes special skill to follow it ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: MrBig on January 07, 2013, 02:33:23 pm
Ok, thanks guys ... that helps ... so I guess the road book is not very clear then or it takes special skill to follow it ?

The roadbook will be 100% clear but you still need to follow it.
At any time, you can have a bunch of information to use..
Heading (CAP), Roadbook markings, Distance (ICO),  Tracks of other riders
In between try to keep the speed up and pay attention to the track!
Good navigators can get far by only using ICO and CAP most the time but it's an art which is honed by experience and skill
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 02:33:55 pm
I have a question about mechanical mods to these Rally bikes in light of glen's unfortunate engine failure. His bike was prepared by an Aussie race company, right? Do they make modifications to get more power out the bikes beyond the basics like exhaust pipe change? rallyerider quotes their bikes as doing 45kW. What's a stock CRF450 do?

I'm wondering if it isn't worth derating the engine's output in the interest of getting a more reliable machine. Surely a couple of kW here or there won't make or break your rally if you're not one of the aliens? But a blown engine and it's all over.

Good question!

The Dakar is ultimately an endurance race and thus reliability and ease of handling should be far more important than a few extra kW - for all riders.

The mostly like cause (without knowing what I'm talking about) is some side effect of the rally modifications - the fairing getting in the way of engine/oil cooling or something like that.

Although as far as I know these bikes were used in the Oz Safari so those sort of gremlins should have been worked out by now.

Could have just been one of those things that can go wrong on any bike but which chose the worst time to appear.

Maybe we will hear more from the horse's mouth in due course.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 02:40:24 pm
Ok, thanks guys ... that helps ... so I guess the road book is not very clear then or it takes special skill to follow it ?

From my own rather inept experience on the Amageza I found that I could either ride fast or follow the road book at about 50% pace.  One or the other.

Plus interpreting the road book isn't straight forward, its a set of instructions that tell you which way to turn/go from your present path, ASSUMING YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH.  Any errors made accumulate and before long its easy not to have a clue where you should be.

In practice you can follow the tracks of the guys in front and also those nearby, but that assumes they know what they are doing.

Riding fast while following the roadbook alone is something I can only admire because it requires very fast thinking, good riding skill and the ability to look at your instruments frequently enough not to miss a turn/warning.  In technical terrain my eyes are locked on the path ahead!

BB could explain a lot better I'm sure.

 
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2013, 02:40:39 pm
I have a question about mechanical mods to these Rally bikes in light of glen's unfortunate engine failure. His bike was prepared by an Aussie race company, right? Do they make modifications to get more power out the bikes beyond the basics like exhaust pipe change? rallyerider quotes their bikes as doing 45kW. What's a stock CRF450 do?

I'm wondering if it isn't worth derating the engine's output in the interest of getting a more reliable machine. Surely a couple of kW here or there won't make or break your rally if you're not one of the aliens? But a blown engine and it's all over.
He mentions oil trail behind the bike, if a drain bolt came loose or knocked a whole in the crankcase it does not matter if the bike has 45KW or 33.2KW which is the stock power quoted.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2013, 02:43:22 pm
I have a question about mechanical mods to these Rally bikes in light of glen's unfortunate engine failure. His bike was prepared by an Aussie race company, right? Do they make modifications to get more power out the bikes beyond the basics like exhaust pipe change? rallyerider quotes their bikes as doing 45kW. What's a stock CRF450 do?

I'm wondering if it isn't worth derating the engine's output in the interest of getting a more reliable machine. Surely a couple of kW here or there won't make or break your rally if you're not one of the aliens? But a blown engine and it's all over.

Good question!

The Dakar is ultimately an endurance race and thus reliability and ease of handling should be far more important than a few extra kW - for all riders.

The mostly like cause (without knowing what I'm talking about) is some side effect of the rally modifications - the fairing getting in the way of engine/oil cooling or something like that.

Although as far as I know these bikes were used in the Oz Safari so those sort of gremlins should have been worked out by now.

Could have just been one of those things that can go wrong on any bike but which chose the worst time to appear.

Maybe we will hear more from the horse's mouth in due course.
Seems the only stock part the HRC bikes share is the gear lever  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 07, 2013, 02:45:04 pm

Although as far as I know these bikes were used in the Oz Safari so those sort of gremlins should have been worked out by now.


The Oz Safari does not have a Dune Stage like they had yesterday. Those Dunes look just as tough as the toughest dunes that have ridden here in the UAE. Couple that together with 40 Deg heat and you have a hand grenade in the motor. Its just a matter of time before you pull the pin!

I am Glad that he is Safe, and bummed that he is out! Maybe now we should get him to become our roving reporter!  :3some:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 02:46:22 pm
Really gutted to hear about Glen.  :-\ :'(
Guys please explain to me the difficulty with navigation .... you have the road book and you have the tracks loaded in your gps
Not trying to be a smart ass ... just wondering how they can still catch you out ?
Youre not following GPS tracks youre following a paper roadbook and navigation by distance and direction alone. GPS is there for the organisation to track you, thats it.
GPS is there for the organisation to track you, promise to publish the positions on the web, but then see it all hang/freeze, which results in frustrated banging of keyboards/heads/various other appendages and pets.
New theory is that ASO has shares in computer keyboards....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: JAmBer on January 07, 2013, 02:47:01 pm
He mentions oil trail behind the bike, if a drain bolt came loose or knocked a whole in the crankcase it does not matter if the bike has 45KW or 33.2KW which is the stock power quoted.

Fair 'nuff. Good observation.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: JAmBer on January 07, 2013, 02:47:34 pm
I am Glad that he is Safe, and bummed that he is out! Maybe now we should get him to become our roving reporter!  :3some:

+1 !
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2013, 02:50:03 pm

Although as far as I know these bikes were used in the Oz Safari so those sort of gremlins should have been worked out by now.


The Oz Safari does not have a Dune Stage like they had yesterday. Those Dunes look just as tough as the toughest dunes that have ridden here in the UAE. Couple that together with 40 Deg heat and you have a hand grenade in the motor. Its just a matter of time before you pull the pin!

I am Glad that he is Safe, and bummed that he is out! Maybe now we should get him to become our roving reporter!  :3some:
Agree it's totally different race, can see that by Campbell being outside the top ten. The Baja and Aus rally's are more of a sprint race ? Heard Quin Cody will be on one of the Husqvarna's next year.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bmad on January 07, 2013, 02:50:22 pm
This thread is updating at a dizzying speed!


Good thing you not following on the firehouse on ADV.
that moves fast  :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 02:51:49 pm
Darryl through WP1, Riaan started, Mudman flying...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 07, 2013, 02:56:36 pm
Guys please explain to me the difficulty with navigation .... you have the road book and you have the tracks loaded in your gps

Not trying to be a smart ass ... just wondering how they can still catch you out ?
Hey Sithe.

The Road book is your primary and only means of navigation. In the road book they give you the heading that you are to follow with each turn in the road book and this can be followed on the GPS.

The GPS does not have an arrow on it like we used in the Desert challenge. This arrow only comes up when you approach the waypoint. I think you have to be within 600meters of it for it to come up and then you have to pass within 50 meters of the waypoint for it to register that you have gone past it.

Miss one way point and they will doc you time. Miss a couple and you will be disqualified!

I cannot begin try and explain how difficult it is to navigate on the go. You have many things happening, Watch out for that rock, miss that tree, remember to hydrate oh there is something in the distance and then all of a sudden you are 5 km`s down the road and you havent looked at the roadbook. This all gets worse as you get fatigued!

I think that this is why they say that while you are riding Rallies you must ride at 70% of your capacity so that you can focus on all these things without Doing harm to yourself! We had a Guy in the challenge that was so busy looking at the road book inthe dunes that he did not see a 6 Meter drop off. That at 70Km/h reserved him a free helicopter trip with a complimentry stay in a Hospital and theatre time!

So when the Top 20 boys come past they can seriously multitask!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 07, 2013, 03:00:57 pm
That Husky is flying!
First through WP2.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Koos van den Heever on January 07, 2013, 03:01:59 pm
Darryl through WP1, Riaan started, Mudman flying...

Jip, it was a good day for Darryl!!!   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 03:10:20 pm
Darryl through WP2.
Looks like he is riding with David Casteu....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 03:11:49 pm
Daryl's definitely got a good thing going!  Hope he can keep it up  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2013, 03:12:36 pm
Guys please explain to me the difficulty with navigation .... you have the road book and you have the tracks loaded in your gps

Not trying to be a smart ass ... just wondering how they can still catch you out ?
Hey Sithe.

The Road book is your primary and only means of navigation. In the road book they give you the heading that you are to follow with each turn in the road book and this can be followed on the GPS.

The GPS does not have an arrow on it like we used in the Desert challenge. This arrow only comes up when you approach the waypoint. I think you have to be within 600meters of it for it to come up and then you have to pass within 50 meters of the waypoint for it to register that you have gone past it.

Miss one way point and they will doc you time. Miss a couple and you will be disqualified!

I cannot begin try and explain how difficult it is to navigate on the go. You have many things happening, Watch out for that rock, miss that tree, remember to hydrate oh there is something in the distance and then all of a sudden you are 5 km`s down the road and you havent looked at the roadbook. This all gets worse as you get fatigued!

I think that this is why they say that while you are riding Rallies you must ride at 70% of your capacity so that you can focus on all these things without Doing harm to yourself! We had a Guy in the challenge that was so busy looking at the road book inthe dunes that he did not see a 6 Meter drop off. That at 70Km/h reserved him a free helicopter trip with a complimentry stay in a Hospital and theatre time!

So when the Top 20 boys come past they can seriously multitask!

What he said  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2013, 03:14:13 pm
That Husky is flying!
First through WP2.

Husky went through 1st only because he started first, you will see it being replaced by KTM soon enough.

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: g1_ on January 07, 2013, 03:17:20 pm
Darryl through WP2.
Looks like he is riding with David Casteu....

That's if he started at the same time as Casteu. If they started say 2min apart, then if they were riding together it would show up as +2 or -2.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 07, 2013, 03:18:07 pm
That Husky is flying!
First through WP2.

Husky went through 1st only because he started first, you will see it being replaced by KTM soon enough.



And correct you are... :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 03:18:35 pm
Riaan thu WP1
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Highlander on January 07, 2013, 03:19:15 pm
Darryl through WP2.
Looks like he is riding with David Casteu....

SteveD, where do you get these feeds from, they seem different to the ones on the live feed website?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 03:23:52 pm
SteveD, where do you get these feeds from, they seem different to the ones on the live feed website?
http://trackingdakar.nl
Much better than the live feed website....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Highlander on January 07, 2013, 03:25:35 pm
Fantastic, thanks a lot  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 07, 2013, 03:26:16 pm
Darryl through WP1, Riaan started, Mudman flying...

do i understand correct that darryl through wp1 in 7th spot 1min 40 odd seconds behind mudman who is first through  ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: WP on January 07, 2013, 03:28:18 pm
Excellent updates! Thanks everyone! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 07, 2013, 03:28:39 pm
Darryl through WP2.
Looks like he is riding with David Casteu....

despres gone ???/
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 07, 2013, 03:29:39 pm
Darryl through WP1, Riaan started, Mudman flying...

do i understand correct that darryl through wp1 in 7th spot 1min 40 odd seconds behind mudman who is first through  ?

No, I think it ended up being 18th, 1min56 behind.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 07, 2013, 03:31:54 pm
Darryl through WP1, Riaan started, Mudman flying...

do i understand correct that darryl through wp1 in 7th spot 1min 40 odd seconds behind mudman who is first through  ?

No, I think it ended up being 18th, 1min56 behind.

got to say efffffffff .. then 18th bikes within 2 minutes of each other in the dunes...sheww
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 03:36:27 pm
Darryl through WP1, Riaan started, Mudman flying...

do i understand correct that darryl through wp1 in 7th spot 1min 40 odd seconds behind mudman who is first through  ?

It changes a bit as the riders who started later come flying through.
On http://trackingdakar.nl, the Live Timing->Order by Stage Positions gives the current stage order at each waypoint. The first person to the waypoint will be position 1, but as the other guys arrive their position may drop.
Live Timing->Order by Stage Hours gives the Time of Day of each rider, so you can see who is riding close together.
It takes a bit of grey matter to keep track. I can't, and I prove it quite regularly  :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Sithe on January 07, 2013, 03:39:39 pm
Cool guys .... thanks a ton for the education ....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 03:41:24 pm
All the South(ern) Africans rolling...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 03:55:27 pm
Cambell stopped with a mechanical apparently (from AdvRider)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 04:04:13 pm
All the tracking is static, nothing is changing. I suspect "Houston" has a problem...
Spare a thought for Glen, he must be feeling pretty gutted right now. Tired, depressed, lonely and gutted.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 04:09:38 pm
All the tracking is static, nothing is changing. I suspect "Houston" has a problem...
Spare a thought for Glen, he must be feeling pretty gutted right now. Tired, depressed, lonely and gutted.

Ja must be difficult - such an investment just getting there!

But at least he can say that he did race in the Dakar.  And now he gets to see the whole extravaganza first hand - which many people would give parts of their anatomy for.

But watching the guys riding off every day and hearing their stories at night is going to really suck!

But hey he could be stuck behind a keyboard pretending to work like me - would rather be him to be honest!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Minora on January 07, 2013, 04:17:39 pm
Update in the Car section:

Carlos Sainz has had his Stage 2 time amended due to a problem with the GPS. He now leads the rally by 5min from Stephane Peterhansel and 7min from Giniel de Villiers.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 04:21:12 pm
Tracking is back.
Darryl having not so lekker a day, but Riaan is moving along nicely. Brett steady....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 04:24:40 pm
Despres is now leading the race? That Husky may be sexy, but Barreda is having a really bad day.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 07, 2013, 04:27:27 pm
You can see the ole desert fox in Despres, working his way between the stage winners and beating them on the overall timesheet ;)

Hy's n ou aap - hy tel sy ketting op as hy hardloop :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Ortos on January 07, 2013, 04:29:44 pm
You can see the ole desert fox in Despres, working his way between the stage winners and beating them on the overall timesheet ;)

Hy's n ou aap - hy tel sy ketting op as hy hardloop :lol8:

Skerp............ :laughing4:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Operator on January 07, 2013, 04:29:56 pm
Riaan van Niekerk is now flying and went through WP1 in 30th

He has gone through WP3 in 21st place.

He is going through WP4 any moment now........
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 04:40:58 pm
Poor old Barreda as well as Daryl seem to have made some big navigation errors.

Both way down!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: whitedelight on January 07, 2013, 04:42:59 pm
Riaan van Niekerk is now flying and went through WP1 in 30th

He has gone through WP3 in 21st place.

He is going through WP4 any moment now........

Yep he is styling now , and Darryl dropping off a bit
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Operator on January 07, 2013, 04:44:34 pm
Riaan van Niekerk is now flying and went through WP1 in 30th

He has gone through WP3 in 21st place.

He is going through WP4 any moment now........

Yep he is styling now , and Darryl dropping off a bit

I wonder how Brett is doing..............the next checkpoint will give us a good indication.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 04:51:14 pm
Not sure if I'm reading the screen right but it seems most have arrived at WPA (the stage finish)

Daryll's in 25th position, Riaan's in 15th, Glen is 170th?


Yep I was reading it wrong apparently there are 7 waypoints so quite some distance still to go.

Not sure why the Dutch tracking site shows WPA times.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 07, 2013, 04:58:12 pm
Not sure if I'm reading the screen right but it seems most have arrived at WPA (the stage finish)

Daryll's in 25th position, Riaan's in 15th, Glen is 170th?

Maybe your computer a bit fast sir.  Only number of guys through at WP5
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 05:04:10 pm
Not sure if I'm reading the screen right but it seems most have arrived at WPA (the stage finish)

Daryll's in 25th position, Riaan's in 15th, Glen is 170th?

Maybe your computer a bit fast sir.  Only number of guys through at WP5

What a dork!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Operator on January 07, 2013, 05:13:38 pm
Looks like Riaan is one place ahead of Darryl now.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Arno Roux on January 07, 2013, 05:19:34 pm
Wat gaan aan met Brett, Is sy Honda se Enjin ook ISM
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 07, 2013, 05:20:56 pm
Update in the Car section:

Carlos Sainz has had his Stage 2 time amended due to a problem with the GPS. He now leads the rally by 5min from Stephane Peterhansel and 7min from Giniel de Villiers.

What! Looks like another Depres story to me. Looks like if you're an old dog and go complain a bit they let you have your way... Bastardo!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 05:23:26 pm
At the risk of stuffing it up again this is from AdvRider who seem to have found some other source of info.  I think those are finishing positions, but they may well be just positions at some or other waypoint:

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Chaleco takes the stage!

Pos.   N°   Name   Mark   Time   variation   Penalty
7   
LOPEZ (CHL)
KTM
02:37:54    -   -
20   
GONÇALVES (PRT)
HUSQVARNA
02:39:02   00:01:08   -
1   
DESPRES (FRA)
KTM
02:42:02   00:04:08   -
18   
PRZYGONSKI (POL)
KTM
02:43:14   00:05:20   -
15   
VERHOEVEN (NLD)
YAMAHA
02:45:16   00:07:22   -
9   
PAIN (FRA)
YAMAHA
02:45:22   00:07:28   -
8   
ULLEVALSETER (NOR)
KTM
02:46:24   00:08:30   -
6   
SVITKO (SVK)
KTM
02:46:52   00:08:58   -
92   
ISRAEL ESQUERRE (CHL)
HONDA
02:47:32   00:09:38   -
14   
DUCLOS (FRA)
SHERCO
02:48:48   00:10:54   -
10   
CASTEU (FRA)
YAMAHA
02:50:02   00:12:08   -
4   
VILADOMS (ESP)
HUSQVARNA
02:50:25   00:12:31   -
37   
CURTIS (ZAF)
KTM
02:52:52   00:14:58   -
11   
FARIA (PRT)
KTM
02:56:03   00:18:09   -
29   
CASELLI (USA)
KTM
03:01:41   00:23:47   -
12   
PEDRERO (ESP)
KTM
03:07:17   00:29:23   -
39   
FISH (AUS)
HUQSVARNA
03:07:46   00:29:52   -
5   
BARREDA BORT (ESP)
HUSQVARNA
03:10:56   00:33:02   -


Daryl in 13th place?

If so he seems to have clawed back nicely!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: whitedelight on January 07, 2013, 05:35:37 pm
13 overall, hence he lost out to his starting position before the stage
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Arno Roux on January 07, 2013, 05:37:21 pm
Werk die tye op trackingdakar.nl afsonderlik van mekeer se WP1 is 8min en WP 2 is 25 min so hy het sover 33min gery

of is dit dat hy op die 8ste minoor wp1 en op die 25ste minvandie race oor wp2
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Serf on January 07, 2013, 05:38:31 pm
Daryl 13de en Riaan 25ste overall  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 05:39:18 pm
13 overall, hence he lost out to his starting position before the stage

Ja but he was in 25th position going throughWP1

I'm still not sure whether the positions above are finishing positions or not - I suspect they are not.

Apparently Gonzalves has a 15min penalty which knocks him way down as well.

Not a good day for Husky, or Honda it seems.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: whitedelight on January 07, 2013, 05:44:25 pm
13 overall, hence he lost out to his starting position before the stage

Ja but he was in 25th position going throughWP1

I'm still not sure whether the positions above are finishing positions or not - I suspect they are not.

Apparently Gonzalves has a 15min penalty which knocks him way down as well.

Not a good day for Husky, or Honda it seems.

The way I see it now on the Dakar site is Darryl came 22 today and overall is in 13 place.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 05:49:37 pm
13 overall, hence he lost out to his starting position before the stage

Ja but he was in 25th position going throughWP1

I'm still not sure whether the positions above are finishing positions or not - I suspect they are not.

Apparently Gonzalves has a 15min penalty which knocks him way down as well.

Not a good day for Husky, or Honda it seems.

The way I see it now on the Dakar site is Darryl came 22 today and overall is in 13 place.

Oh Ok! Google Chrome was just not showing the results had to clear the cache - dork again!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 05:51:30 pm
Barreda had a shocker!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: whitedelight on January 07, 2013, 06:04:07 pm
Barreda had a shocker!

But that is what makes it so exciting to follow,the next twist happens tomorrow again
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 07, 2013, 06:09:52 pm
For those a bit in the dark as to the reading of the .nl time sheets.  All the info at the different waypoints is given in time and position relative to the stage.

If you want to know what the overall position of a rider is just hit the "order by overall positions" tab.  The dutch guy's site is just so much more organized and gives a clear picture as to individual and overall movement in the stage and race.  It also only confirms overall position once times have been factored in - well, it could change if time penalties are added at a later stage..

The official Dakar site will only confuse you if you're not really figure orientated but keen to follow :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: whitedelight on January 07, 2013, 06:20:04 pm
For those a bit in the dark as to the reading of the .nl time sheets.  All the info at the different waypoints is given in time and position relative to the stage.

If you want to know what the overall position of a rider is just hit the "order by overall positions" tab.  The dutch guy's site is just so much more organized and gives a clear picture as to individual and overall movement in the stage and race.  It also only confirms overall position once times have been factored in - well, it could change if time penalties are added at a later stage..

The official Dakar site will only confuse you if you're not really figure orientated but keen to follow :ricky:

Agreed, and the summary page is cool too

http://trackingdakar.nl/index.php?page=summary
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 06:30:08 pm
From AdvRider
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Team Redverz - Kevin Muggleton to Dakar 2013


Update. Yesterday I went over a dune and broke my back, the dakar air ambulance was there in minutes and quickly filled up with other riders at the same scene.

After flying to Lima I'm immobilized here for 4 days before I fly back to Denver and will need surgery for a few pins in my back.

I replayed the scene many times, and other than the benefit of hindsight, I would have taken the same line, and speed 9 times out of 10.

Going into this Dakar I felt strong mentally and physically, and didn't get enough days under my belt. My body will heal quickly, but unfortunately the Dakar is the most addictive and expensive drug you can buy, and its hard to give up.

Perhaps it's premature, and I'm high as a kite on morphine, but I now have everything I need to run the Dakar , and if the Gods and stars are aligned I want to race Dakar 2014. 345 days

Thank you all for your support and kind words, it hurts more than you can imagine to let you down.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2013, 06:49:13 pm
Honda must be seriously dissapointed, even the semi factory (Honda) bikes are showing them up  :-[ Wonder how many time for R&D they had ? Hopefully V2.0 will be much better if they return next year. All of HRC behind you and you have mechanical problem after 20km's ? Must have been one monster of a stage !
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: whitedelight on January 07, 2013, 07:01:11 pm
Cummings is coming...... :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 07:01:42 pm
So Darryl fell back a bit today, but I reckon he did pretty well.
Have a look at the Order by Stage Hours - by WP4, David Casteu was the front bike on the course, with Darryl a few seconds behind him. It stayed that way until Despres caught them near WP7.
Our guy ride a significant portion of the day with no tracks to follow. That must be incredibly difficult.
I reckon he did great!

And all the other Southern Africans are finished, and actually moved up some places.
All in all a good day, I think, even if I am disappointed to see the Husky's and Honda's get beaten up by KTMs - AGAIN!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2013, 07:04:28 pm
All in all a good day, I think, even if I am disappointed to see the Husky's and Honda's get beaten up by KTMs - AGAIN!
It seems in Dakar you cannot out KTM a KTM, they have been at it for years while the others sat on their asses. Catch a wake up Nippon !
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 07, 2013, 07:06:29 pm
A cool Pic of my Mate James West

(http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/kenisis/481390_10151617339317564_141424454_n_zps960da826-1_zpsa412b14b.jpg)

Apparently his exhaust fell off today, Jumping like that i cant wonder why!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 07:17:06 pm
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Cracker on January 07, 2013, 07:21:21 pm
A cool Pic of my Mate James West

(http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/kenisis/481390_10151617339317564_141424454_n_zps960da826-1_zpsa412b14b.jpg)

Apparently his exhaust fell off today, Jumping like that i cant wonder why!

If that was me it wouldnt be a jump - it would be the beginning of a crash  :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Takashi on January 07, 2013, 07:23:53 pm
A cool Pic of my Mate James West

(http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/kenisis/481390_10151617339317564_141424454_n_zps960da826-1_zpsa412b14b.jpg)

Apparently his exhaust fell off today, Jumping like that i cant wonder why!

If that was me it wouldnt be a jump - it would be the beginning of a crash  :o

Me 2... It would end in a terrible faceplant at the bottom of the dune...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Grrrr.... on January 07, 2013, 07:24:56 pm
A cool Pic of my Mate James West

*unfortunate snip*

Apparently his exhaust fell off today, Jumping like that i cant wonder why!

If that was me it wouldnt be a jump - it would be the beginning of a crash  :o

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 07:29:04 pm
Luis Belaustegui is the mad dude who is convinced a 150cc 2 stroke can finish Dakar.
He had big issues yesterday, and started late today. But he is still moving..... Go boy!

Johnny Campbell is also having a challenging day. He spent ages fixing his bike, but is now rolling again. He's going to have a LONG day.

I think the guys near the back are the real heroes.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 07:36:09 pm
Barreda explained his stage:

He broke his tyre, then his wheel, which turn to broke one of his gas tanks.
So he had to wait to change his wheel, and then for gas.
He said he had no rpoblem with navigation, and was happy not to loose more time.

Bliksem  :eek7:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 07, 2013, 07:38:09 pm
DAY 3 POSITIONS
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 07:40:12 pm
Dakar.com recap:

Leading the field can prove costly. A strategic factor that must be taken into account in the Dakar. Yesterday's heroes are often today's losers. And this is exactly what happened to Joan Barreda and his fellow travellers towards the start of the stage. Yesterday's winner was followed by Pedrero, Fish and others as he carefully performed his duties. He avoided the most dangerous pitfalls by focusing 110% on the road book... meaning he could only maintain a leisurely pace. Meanwhile, the most experienced riders started quite far back but they seized their chance to overtake the entire field without having to wrack their brains navigating. And few are better at this than Francisco López: the leading group went through the km 39 checkpoint at no more than 50 km/h, but Chaleco blasted onwards at 100 km/h. The Chilean was rewarded with his eighth Dakar win, the second of this edition. But he didn't take over the lead. Cyril Despres is no slouch either when it comes to experience and strategy, and he's got a knack for recognising the key points where he can make the difference. Today's third place behind Chaleco and Paulo Gonçalves was enough for him to defend the overall lead with a margin of 2′51″ over López, 4′59″ over Pål Anders Ullevålseter and 6′03″ over Olivier Pain
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 07:46:57 pm
And Ignacio Chivite on his ancient Bultaco is still moving as well. Just posted on facebook something about WPS, so I guess he has just started today's stage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 07:52:34 pm
Darryl's Phone2Blog for today has just been posted on http://www.darrylcurtis.co.za/broadlink-ktm-rally-home/index.html
Basically he confirms what we deduced, that he and David Casteu led the field for most of the day, with Despres catching them late in the day.
He sounds quite chuffed with his day.
Go DC, you are doing great !
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 07, 2013, 07:57:39 pm
SAREL VAN BILJON on the quads doing well, 9th place overall
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Post by: Arno Roux on January 07, 2013, 08:13:41 pm
SAREL VAN BILJON on the quads doing well, 9th place overall

Dit wil gedoen wees. Van waar is Sarel, Ons moet hom ook nooi om n Wilddog te word
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 07, 2013, 08:22:38 pm
Interesting discussion on AdvRider about the various merits of different approaches to carrying enough fuel for the stages:

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As a general rule,we estimate 18km/litre for fast tracks,dropping to 6/8km/litre for dunes when using our 690's in rallies.The trick is,in dunes especially,is to only put enough in to get to refuelling point,as excess weight,especially with big front tanks,is a killer in soft sand.

That is an advantage the Speedbrain design has over the conventional KTM 3-tank system,their weight is more over the rear,whereas the KTM/Honda have more front wheel weight,making dunes/soft sand a bit more difficult.

However,on very fast tracks,the large single rear tank can be a disadvantage,more "pendulum effect" when it gets sideways.

It is always a balancing act to design a bike with enough fuel,but not too much,so that performance and handling are compromised.But,a bike that runs out of fuel fails the main criteria,that to finish first,first you must finish!!

Another oddity we have found is that in the dunes,the quick guys can use less fuel than a slower rider,as they get stuck less,get lost less,and carry more momentum,so using higher gears(and less fuel).

I know on my Husky610 with the 24L Safari tank, the handling changes depending on the amount of fuel you carry because the weight is too far forward when the tank's full   You have to be especially wide awake in sand and mud because then the nimble sure footed Italian princess has a hidden alter ego of a blundering treacherous hippo (but only for fleeting moments if you are not awake :P).
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 09:00:54 pm
From RallyRaidReview ‏@RallyRaidReview

Seems Ignacio Chivite is out on the little Bultaco. Loving the wierd a wonderful but one has to wonder at some point...why or why not?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 09:07:58 pm
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 09:10:11 pm
From PAU's facebook:

- Almost had a disaster today. About halfways in the special somebody had dug a square hole, 2 meters deep in the middle of a gravel road where I was running at 150 km/h. Luckily I managed to lay down the bike and slide some before I alllmost fell in. Bike ended with the front wheel in the hole, while rear wheel + me managed to hold on to the edge, and I managed to pull us up.
Lost some time on this, then later, about 300 meter from the end the bike stopped due to some bad fuel I got earlier at the stage. Had to switch to reserve to get going again, and lost another 30-40 seconds
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 07, 2013, 09:12:48 pm
Some Feed back about todays stage from Sebastien Husseini a UAE Quad rider!

Stage 3 Summary
 
Just spoke to Seb to hear about Stage 3 today..
 
His day started off badly with some confusion that led to his 18 minute delay. Apparently his road book indicated that there would be a fuel stop after the first 4km of the liaison section. He arrived there with an almost-empty tank only to be turned away by a marshall instructing him to go back to the bivouac to refuel there. This detour caused him to arrive at the special stage starting point 18 minutes behind schedule. Thankfully there were no mechanical or tyre issues as we were speculating but we're pushing him to lodge a complaint with the organisers to see what can be done.
 
Seb described the terrain as being similar to Liwa… lots of dune sections interspersed with sabkha-like flats. He struggled a little bit in the white sand with seeing the contrast of the terrain and dune edges at midday when the sun was at its highest - something you're all familiar with. This can be especially difficult and tricky when descending a slip face at speed because you can't predict exactly where you'll bottom out.
 
As the stage progressed the terrain started changing into areas of the notorious "fesh-fesh", sections of extremely powdery fine white dust. Apparently the stuff is very slippery to ride on and this was made worse by the fact that there were sharp rocks hidden within the fesh-fesh. This was Seb's first proper experience of the stuff so definitely on a learning curve in that respect.
 
Seb likened today's stage to riding from Liwa to Fujairah - a steady change from sand dunes to more rocky areas. He is very impressed with the custom Maxxis tires he's using.. Some competitors experienced punctures (including Patronelli we've heard) but luckily Seb's tyres seem to be holding up so far. He really enjoyed a high-speed, full throttle beach section right by the water and lined by tens of thousands of spectators… something that is typical of the Dakar in Latin America it seems.
 
The Honda TRX700 seems to be doing very well. There haven't been any mechanical issues so far and Seb feels like the engine is starting to open up a little, he feels like he is progressively getting a bit more top-end out of it. He is however a little wary of the varying quality of the fuel supplied.. he says he heard the first signs of detonation at some points during the stage. This could be problematic in the future so we hope they'll take care of this.
 
He is also very happy with his suspension set-up although he did get a bit of unintended sideways airtime that shook him awake. Physically he feels well and he is able to maintain his mental focus over the long stages. When asked what the weather was like he said it was comparable to a day at the Abu Dhabi Desert Challenge… chilly mornings with temperatures rising to about 30 degrees midday. In other words very comfortable for riders from this region!
 
He finished today's stage in 6th place but thankfully the lead he built up over Stages 1 and 2 have allowed him to retain his position of 2nd overall.. He thanks you all for your support and is looking forward to tomorrow!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 09:17:01 pm
 :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kerritz on January 07, 2013, 09:22:45 pm
FOK!!!!!  ::)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 09:24:17 pm
From Verhoeven's webpage

"I've had my guardian angel with me." That was the judgment of Frans Verhoeven after the third stage of the Dakar Rally, a 243 km long trial by the sand between Pisco and Nazca in Peru. Verhoeven made ​​at kilometer 155 in the stage a huge hit with his motorcycle. Man and machine are only slightly damaged.
*
"It's been years since I've fallen so hard," said Verhoeven, that morning with a blue right buttock muscle aches and wake up. "It was a bad piece, with black sand and lava rocks. I drove over there pretty hard, especially 130. At one time I landed in the bottom of my Yamaha on an edge. I felt that it was not going well and could see my ball back, so I would roll. I am left lateral tripped and landed on my right buttock. My lower back and buttocks do a little. That buttock will be blue tomorrow and I will have muscle pain, but that I am so happy. I'm very lucky that between stones. My protective clothing has hit very well taken care of. The Leatt brace around my neck to protect even damaged. It's so good that that thing was there. "
*
The Yamaha Verhoeven was also good. The roadbook holder was crooked, so Verhoeven notes by hand to operate. "But otherwise everything went still."
*
Verhoeven had worked hard in the stage and took risks for a good time to put down. "I had some well after the 21th place on Sunday. That did it. And my confidence in the material is so great that I seriously hard dared to drive and dare to take risks. That I fall, is purely my own fault. "


I.. could see my ball back ????
Then you know it's gonna hurt
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 09:47:23 pm
Darryl Curtis ‏@DarrylCurtisSA
See it's easy to follow, how hard can it be ?? Right !!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 09:52:02 pm
Luis is in!
And so is Johnny Campbell...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Arno Roux on January 07, 2013, 09:54:51 pm
Moer,  dis moeilik.  Om daai kaart te lees teen 120kmh te lees.........
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 07, 2013, 09:55:12 pm
Faaark!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2013, 09:57:47 pm
I still like the Husky's   :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 07, 2013, 10:01:15 pm
Great pics!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 07, 2013, 10:19:09 pm
Die fokken Supersport editing piss my erg af!!!
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Post by: Bubby on January 07, 2013, 10:19:39 pm
What is the difference between the Ktm 450 rally and the 450 rally replica as ridden by Despres ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 07, 2013, 10:30:16 pm
The starting grid tomorrow?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kerritz on January 07, 2013, 10:42:48 pm
Moer,  dis moeilik.  Om daai kaart te lees teen 120kmh te lees.........

En partykeer.....gooi hulle mielies en kole....teen baie vinniger as 120.......... :o ::) :peepwall:

Ek stem Deon......pretty fricken goeie pics!!!!

Thanks vir die updates up die site......almal se contribution maak dit amper 'n one stop shop........word waardeer.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Takashi on January 07, 2013, 10:43:49 pm
Die fokken Supersport editing piss my erg af!!!

Hulle edit niks, koop die 26minuut package by die Dakar mense... Maar ek stem saam, dit suck donkey balls
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 07, 2013, 10:46:05 pm
Looking at the highlights package and the old footage one can only say that Peterhansel must be the benchmark for any real Dakar wannabee legend - fuck that guy could ride a bike!!

6 x No 1 in bikes and going for x 5 in cars, for me compares to Schumacher & Rossi ;)

Die wat nie saam stem - julle se moere :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 07, 2013, 10:48:00 pm
Die fokken Supersport editing piss my erg af!!!

Hulle edit niks, koop die 26minuut package by die Dakar mense... Maar ek stem saam, dit suck donkey balls

Ek kan al sien hoe suig jy n donkie bal met daai 2.11m lange lyf van jou :lol8:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kerritz on January 07, 2013, 10:49:28 pm
EDIT:........sorry...moes dit bysit............. :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:


6 x No 1 in bikes and going for x 5 in cars, for me compares to Schumacher & Rossi ;)

Die wat nie saam stem - julle se moere :biggrin:

Ek stem my kroon.............volhartig!!  :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Takashi on January 07, 2013, 10:56:24 pm
Ek kan al sien hoe suig jy n donkie bal met daai 2.11m lange lyf van jou :lol8:

Ag fok jou ook...  ;D

Ek eet nie sulke stront soos julle manne wat so naby aan die grond is nie. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 07, 2013, 11:13:40 pm
Ek kan al sien hoe suig jy n donkie bal met daai 2.11m lange lyf van jou :lol8:

Ag fok jou ook...  ;D

Ek eet nie sulke stront soos julle manne wat so naby aan die grond is nie. :imaposer:

Kan net dink hoe alleen dit daar bo moet wees :biggrin:

KLim nou bietjie van jou pedestal af ffs :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2013, 11:20:24 pm
What is the difference between the Ktm 450 rally and the 450 rally replica as ridden by Despres ?

Basically they are the same bikes, just without factory support.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2013, 11:21:34 pm
Some Feed back about todays stage from Sebastien Husseini a UAE Quad rider!

Stage 3 Summary
 
Just spoke to Seb to hear about Stage 3 today..
 
His day started off badly with some confusion that led to his 18 minute delay. Apparently his road book indicated that there would be a fuel stop after the first 4km of the liaison section. He arrived there with an almost-empty tank only to be turned away by a marshall instructing him to go back to the bivouac to refuel there. This detour caused him to arrive at the special stage starting point 18 minutes behind schedule. Thankfully there were no mechanical or tyre issues as we were speculating but we're pushing him to lodge a complaint with the organisers to see what can be done.
 
Seb described the terrain as being similar to Liwa… lots of dune sections interspersed with sabkha-like flats. He struggled a little bit in the white sand with seeing the contrast of the terrain and dune edges at midday when the sun was at its highest - something you're all familiar with. This can be especially difficult and tricky when descending a slip face at speed because you can't predict exactly where you'll bottom out.
 
As the stage progressed the terrain started changing into areas of the notorious "fesh-fesh", sections of extremely powdery fine white dust. Apparently the stuff is very slippery to ride on and this was made worse by the fact that there were sharp rocks hidden within the fesh-fesh. This was Seb's first proper experience of the stuff so definitely on a learning curve in that respect.
 
Seb likened today's stage to riding from Liwa to Fujairah - a steady change from sand dunes to more rocky areas. He is very impressed with the custom Maxxis tires he's using.. Some competitors experienced punctures (including Patronelli we've heard) but luckily Seb's tyres seem to be holding up so far. He really enjoyed a high-speed, full throttle beach section right by the water and lined by tens of thousands of spectators… something that is typical of the Dakar in Latin America it seems.
 
The Honda TRX700 seems to be doing very well. There haven't been any mechanical issues so far and Seb feels like the engine is starting to open up a little, he feels like he is progressively getting a bit more top-end out of it. He is however a little wary of the varying quality of the fuel supplied.. he says he heard the first signs of detonation at some points during the stage. This could be problematic in the future so we hope they'll take care of this.
 
He is also very happy with his suspension set-up although he did get a bit of unintended sideways airtime that shook him awake. Physically he feels well and he is able to maintain his mental focus over the long stages. When asked what the weather was like he said it was comparable to a day at the Abu Dhabi Desert Challenge… chilly mornings with temperatures rising to about 30 degrees midday. In other words very comfortable for riders from this region!
 
He finished today's stage in 6th place but thankfully the lead he built up over Stages 1 and 2 have allowed him to retain his position of 2nd overall.. He thanks you all for your support and is looking forward to tomorrow!

I must say I did not think I would enjoy following the retard chariots, but I have been, thanks for the post and go Seb.
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Post by: Firesquirrel on January 07, 2013, 11:33:44 pm
SAREL VAN BILJON on the quads doing well, 9th place overall

Dit wil gedoen wees. Van waar is Sarel, Ons moet hom ook nooi om n Wilddog te word

Nylstroom area.... DIK transport company.  Het hom gesels by my shop 2 dae voor hy gevlieg het om te gaan deelneem.  Hy is n moerse beskeie ou en plat op die grond.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: wiledog_X on January 07, 2013, 11:40:35 pm
FOK!!!!!  ::)


ja nee..... the size of those dunes are truly EPIC!  :o
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Post by: zetman on January 07, 2013, 11:49:47 pm
Goeie werk dankie vir almal se updates is duisendmaal beter as supersnot se kak halfuurtjie
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 08, 2013, 04:35:23 am
Some More Feed back from Seb the Kwaat rider.

Aso reviewed his claim and gave him the time back for their roadbook error regarding the Fueling point. That puts him back in 2nd!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2013, 05:56:10 am

Dune 7 se moer.
https://www.youtube.com/v/HgXqqP0_WBA
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2013, 06:04:10 am
Dakar Race report- Johnny Campbell stage 3. Pisco to Nazca.
Special 242km
Liaison 95km
Well things did not go as planned today. Early in the stage the bike developed a hesitation that seemed to be fuel system related. I wasn't sure so I did an examination on the bike and everything seemed to be in order. Pizzolito stopped but he could do nothing for me so I sent him on to follow Helder without me. The race continued without me as I would have to wait for a my extremely fast, bright orange, Support vehicle, piloted by none other than the fastest 4-wheel driver in the desert, Robby Gordon and his Navigator Kellon Walsh. They kindly dropped off a care package that would get me back going. After 20 or so more minutes of repair I was back underway.
But instead of racing with 2- wheel vehicles I found my self smack dab in the middle of the Garbage truck race!!
And man let me tell you, these guys are the gnarliest drivers out there. I couldn't believe what I saw happening right before my eyes. These guys drive trucks, BIG trucks over the softest, steepest dunes that makes me pucker on a bike! The course turned south to a quick beach run, where yes I popped a wheelie for my homies. :) Everything was all good till about 40km from the finish where the bike started acting up again. I nursed it in the rest of the way. I was sure glad to have made it to the bivouac where my HRC crew took quickly to the bike to get it dialed in for the next stage. Stage 4 will be 720km almost 500 miles!! Yikes!
Got go finish my road book!
Adios for now,
Love,
Johnny
__________________
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Post by: Arno Roux on January 08, 2013, 06:12:26 am
EDIT:........sorry...moes dit bysit............. :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:


6 x No 1 in bikes and going for x 5 in cars, for me compares to Schumacher & Rossi ;)

Die wat nie saam stem - julle se moere :biggrin:

Ek stem my kroon.............volhartig!!  :deal:

Hy is goed ja maar ek dink nog steeds hy-is n poepol omdat hy laas jaar daai ou op die bike in die rivier omgery het
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Post by: Kenisis on January 08, 2013, 06:17:36 am
Dakar Race report- Johnny Campbell stage 3. Pisco to Nazca.
Special 242km
Liaison 95km
Well things did not go as planned today. Early in the stage the bike developed a hesitation that seemed to be fuel system related. I wasn't sure so I did an examination on the bike and everything seemed to be in order. Pizzolito stopped but he could do nothing for me so I sent him on to follow Helder without me. The race continued without me as I would have to wait for a my extremely fast, bright orange, Support vehicle, piloted by none other than the fastest 4-wheel driver in the desert, Robby Gordon and his Navigator Kellon Walsh. They kindly dropped off a care package that would get me back going. After 20 or so more minutes of repair I was back underway.
But instead of racing with 2- wheel vehicles I found my self smack dab in the middle of the Garbage truck race!!
And man let me tell you, these guys are the gnarliest drivers out there. I couldn't believe what I saw happening right before my eyes. These guys drive trucks, BIG trucks over the softest, steepest dunes that makes me pucker on a bike! The course turned south to a quick beach run, where yes I popped a wheelie for my homies. :) Everything was all good till about 40km from the finish where the bike started acting up again. I nursed it in the rest of the way. I was sure glad to have made it to the bivouac where my HRC crew took quickly to the bike to get it dialed in for the next stage. Stage 4 will be 720km almost 500 miles!! Yikes!
Got go finish my road book!
Adios for now,
Love,
Johnny
__________________
What a Legend, Have you guys seen from Dust to Glory?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Aquatic on January 08, 2013, 06:36:10 am
Anyone know why Giniel lost so much time?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: blazes on January 08, 2013, 06:44:46 am
What is the difference between the Ktm 450 rally and the 450 rally replica as ridden by Despres ?


Lots --
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: blazes on January 08, 2013, 06:46:46 am
Looking at the highlights package and the old footage one can only say that Peterhansel must be the benchmark for any real Dakar wannabee legend - fuck that guy could ride a bike!!

6 x No 1 in bikes and going for x 5 in cars, for me compares to Schumacher & Rossi ;)

Die wat nie saam stem - julle se moere :biggrin:

Eke stem saam  :peepwall:

Bliksem he rode those old tanks well -- :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: buzzlightyear on January 08, 2013, 06:47:14 am
Must say I find the female narrator on the Dakar videos to be boring to .listen to an she seems like shes just reading a script not really connected to whats happening? And the video is just a trailer teaser it seems.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Arno Roux on January 08, 2013, 06:59:11 am
Anyone know why Giniel lost so much time?


Vanaf Giniel se Facebook Page
Giniel De Villiers het ʼn skakel gedeel.

5 ure gelede.



"Today was anything but good for us! It wasn't the car's fault, it's just that we made a huge navigational mistake which added almost 20 km to our tally. It got so bad that Dirk had to get out several times to see where we were and what direction we had to take. This is one of those mistakes which cost you dearly and in the end we must have lost roughly 25 minutes. That's the way it is... This is just the third special and there's still a long road before us, so we'll stay focused and try to do much better tomorrow. In the last few days we've already seen that things can change overnight at the Dakar..."
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 08, 2013, 07:05:27 am
Die fokken Supersport editing piss my erg af!!!

Hulle edit niks, koop die 26minuut package by die Dakar mense... Maar ek stem saam, dit suck donkey balls

Ek verwys na die kak manier wat hulle switch tussen program en ads, dalk is editing die verkeerde woord...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 08, 2013, 07:08:22 am
Anyone know why Giniel lost so much time?
According to Toyota`s FB page they battled with a waypoint. Seems there was a lot of searching for waypoints going on. Carlos Sainz complained that the GPS only opened up after he left the waypoint and proceeded, 18 Km later. I wonder if their system is working correctly?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: desert dueler on January 08, 2013, 07:44:21 am
already bouncing (pun intended) around the internet:

(http://www.shockmansion.com/wp-content/myimages/2013/01/Posted-at-Shock-Mansion-103.gif?b1f7f4)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: JourneyMan on January 08, 2013, 07:50:36 am
All in a days work. :biggrin:

Hulle kan maar. 8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Buff on January 08, 2013, 08:02:47 am
Thats gotta be one of the best saves ever recorded  :o :thumleft: Looks like he did a pushup off his bars  :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 08:03:06 am
already bouncing (pun intended) around the internet:

(http://www.shockmansion.com/wp-content/myimages/2013/01/Posted-at-Shock-Mansion-103.gif?b1f7f4)

Apart from the entertainment value, you can see why it happened.

The heavy weight of the rear kicked up and smacked him in the arse and sent him flying - almost over the handle bars - great save though.

They were discussing these sort of accidents which seem quite prevalent on heavily loaded Dakar bikes on AdvRider earlier in the year - apparently there was a particularly nasty one last year - I remember seeing the clip, cant remember the riders name (he wasnt so lucky).
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2013, 08:08:04 am
Anyone know why Giniel lost so much time?

Yip, he got lost looking for a WP in the dunes and drove around for 18km before he found himself again.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2013, 08:11:14 am

Apart from the entertainment value, you can see why it happened.

The heavy weight of the rear kicked up and smacked him in the arse and sent him flying - almost over the handle bars - great save though.

They were discussing these sort of accidents which seem quite prevalent on heavily loaded Dakar bikes on AdvRider earlier in the year - apparently there was a particularly nasty one last year - I remember seeing the clip, cant remember the riders name (he wasnt so lucky).


That was american Quinn Cody on SS3 last year. On the same day Ike Klaumann from Brazil also went over the bars somewhere else for the same reason, also on camera, also breaking some bones. Its why its best to empty the rear tanks first.

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2013, 08:11:26 am
Day 4 has three huge ergs on the menu; the 1st is the day of Cerro Marcha, the bikers will have to come straight down this.  :eek7:  :deal:

Not too bad, its only 1,000m high....

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/62551643.jpg)

The cars and trucks have to go down further to the left on a route that is 1km longer and half as steep - which is still pretty freaking steep.

Still working on the route, but in between the ergs it looks like old rocky, winding mining tracks that eventually drop down to a lovely green valley in the desert.
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/45921775.jpg)



The 2nd erg is not as steep but its a climb that will test the spirits of but the best dune riders.

The 3rd erg is the hardest, with a another huge descent into a gulley from hell, similar to the one at Fiambala in years past. The special stage ends after they can make it out of the gulley.

Then they have a nice winding coastal route to relax on for about 200km before another series of long, hot, boring strights to the bivouac.

This day I think will be the toughest Peru has to offer.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: White Rhino on January 08, 2013, 08:13:53 am
I'm finally back from Mozo. What a fantastic holiday - :thumleft:

Sadly no internet and no Supersport - being out there without any news on the Dakar was akin to root canal treatment.

All of us sitting in the comfort of our airconditioned offices, spare a thought for the guys that have to wrestle the desert.

At some point of madness I took a jolly ride in knee deep sand, kitted with off-road gear in baking conditions - 35 plus degrees to catch a glimps of what these Dakar boys experience. All I can say is you don't want to be picking up bikes, pushing or fixing shit - you overheat in no time. One can only admire the pluck that these riders have.

I've cought up with all the pages of incredible content. Just want to say thanks to all the contributors - you've made this a fantastic thread - :thumleft:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 08:26:45 am
Duncan Vos ‏@Duncanvosracing

We are out of the Dakar - I thank you all sincerely for your support and encouragement - the chassis was too badly damaged to continue
 :angry1:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 08:30:56 am
So this is what the dunes look like. Bliksem!

http://www.youtube.com/v/wsvg-W9DdRs
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 08:31:39 am
Dakar Race report- Johnny Campbell stage 3. Pisco to Nazca.
Special 242km
Liaison 95km
Well things did not go as planned today. Early in the stage the bike developed a hesitation that seemed to be fuel system related. I wasn't sure so I did an examination on the bike and everything seemed to be in order. Pizzolito stopped but he could do nothing for me so I sent him on to follow Helder without me. The race continued without me as I would have to wait for a my extremely fast, bright orange, Support vehicle, piloted by none other than the fastest 4-wheel driver in the desert, Robby Gordon and his Navigator Kellon Walsh. They kindly dropped off a care package that would get me back going. After 20 or so more minutes of repair I was back underway.
But instead of racing with 2- wheel vehicles I found my self smack dab in the middle of the Garbage truck race!!
And man let me tell you, these guys are the gnarliest drivers out there. I couldn't believe what I saw happening right before my eyes. These guys drive trucks, BIG trucks over the softest, steepest dunes that makes me pucker on a bike! The course turned south to a quick beach run, where yes I popped a wheelie for my homies. :) Everything was all good till about 40km from the finish where the bike started acting up again. I nursed it in the rest of the way. I was sure glad to have made it to the bivouac where my HRC crew took quickly to the bike to get it dialed in for the next stage. Stage 4 will be 720km almost 500 miles!! Yikes!
Got go finish my road book!
Adios for now,
Love,
Johnny
__________________

Apparently the "care package" was a fuel pump.  

The question is how did Johnny get word back to Robby to bring the damn thing?

I must admit my opinion of Robby keeps changing.  After seeing the clip of him abusing his codriver in stage one I thought he was an idiot again (I originally thought he was idiot but his response to the ASO disqualifying him last year changed that).  But now I think he's a good guy again for going out of his way when he could ill afford the time to find and help Johnny  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2013, 08:31:51 am
(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-wM62MbN/0/L/544042_472645562794756_2005210239_n-L.jpg)

https://www.facebook.com/#!/dakar
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Post by: tau on January 08, 2013, 08:35:59 am
How was that car crashing in the fesh fesh. The driver is so out of control, with no optoin to stop or he will get stuck and then hits a lurker in the fesh fesh turning him over.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 09:18:34 am
I see Darryl posted a second audio clip last night at http://www.darrylcurtis.co.za
(Can't look, at work, need to look busy....)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 09:23:27 am
Via twitter:
RallyRAIDio ‏@RallyRAIDio
Latest reports from Don Hattion say he's trying to make it to the bivvy, injured and on broken bike

Not sure if this is right, the results show that he finished ages ago?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: MrBig on January 08, 2013, 09:28:28 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/XD474hN5a7w
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 09:31:12 am
Via twitter:
RallyRAIDio ‏@RallyRAIDio
Latest reports from Don Hattion say he's trying to make it to the bivvy, injured and on broken bike
Not sure if this is right, the results show that he finished ages ago?

Eish!
This was at about 4am this morning:
From Rally Raid Canada about Don Hatton 150
Hit by a truck in the dark :eek7:. Bike broken in two. No GPS. Stuck out in the dark. People are with him. He can barely talk. Afraid he might have broken his leg. 12 miles from the end of the Special.


Then about an hour later:

Just a quick update:
I spoke to Don's wife a few minutes ago. Don is still riding towards the end of the special under his own power. Bike is busted up and he may or may not be hurt himself. Bike has no lights, route book, or nav systems (compass). ASO medical team are following him in to the end of the special.
Long story short lets keep our fingers crossed. He is not out of the race yet. When he gets to the bivioac and gets cleared medically then the big question is whether or not they can make the bike ridable for tomorrow. We will let everyone know once we know.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Takashi on January 08, 2013, 09:34:41 am
Strongs Don!!!

Holding thumbs :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 09:37:10 am
I see Darryl posted a second audio clip last night at http://www.darrylcurtis.co.za
(Can't look, at work, need to look busy....)

Just listened to it. Thanks  :thumleft:

It was Riaan giving his version of yesterday's events.

He's a man of few words  :biggrin:


Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 09:52:29 am
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 09:56:29 am
More at http://www.webventure.com.br
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 08, 2013, 09:57:41 am
Day 4 has three huge ergs on the menu; the 1st is the day of Cerro Marcha, the bikers will have to come straight down this.  :eek7:  :deal:

Not too bad, its only 1,000m high....

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/62551643.jpg)

The cars and trucks have to go down further to the left on a route that is 1km longer and half as steep - which is still pretty freaking steep.

Still working on the route, but in between the ergs it looks like old rocky, winding mining tracks that eventually drop down to a lovely green valley in the desert.
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/45921775.jpg)



The 2nd erg is not as steep but its a climb that will test the spirits of but the best dune riders.

The 3rd erg is the hardest, with a another huge descent into a gulley from hell, similar to the one at Fiambala in years past. The special stage ends after they can make it out of the gulley.

Then they have a nice winding coastal route to relax on for about 200km before another series of long, hot, boring strights to the bivouac.

This day I think will be the toughest Peru has to offer.
Is the 1000 Meters above Sea level or a set of Dunes 1000m High? Even at 1000m above sea level that is going to sap performance of the vehicles!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: dirtyXT on January 08, 2013, 10:02:33 am
:biggrin:
urg my worst fear... soft sand and lots of it. its just hard damn work!!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 10:05:36 am
Via twitter:
RallyRAIDio ‏@RallyRAIDio
Latest reports from Don Hattion say he's trying to make it to the bivvy, injured and on broken bike

Not sure if this is right, the results show that he finished ages ago?

Apparently he was hit by a truck in the Dark?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 10:06:48 am
Is that Laia on the pink bike in the photo's above?

OOPS no its Alan Eduardo from Argentina!  :biggrin:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 10:34:31 am
Is that Laia on the pink bike in the photo's above?

OOPS no its Alan Eduardo from Argentina!  :biggrin:



The pink attgat is for breast cancer awareness as far as I know.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 10:42:49 am
 :o

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-14.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 10:48:10 am
already bouncing (pun intended) around the internet:

(http://www.shockmansion.com/wp-content/myimages/2013/01/Posted-at-Shock-Mansion-103.gif?b1f7f4)

How do you load a gif? tried to load this one yesterday, but my skill level is still at "eish...teknolgee....hau!!!"

Any hints?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Jannie46 on January 08, 2013, 10:57:05 am
The upperbody strength of this guy is just amazing, keeping balance and bringing his legs back to saddle it again. Real encouragement to keep the "boep"in check.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 10:58:02 am
Not sure if somebody has posted this here already.

The drivers and riders will face 720 kilometres in the next few hours in what will be the longest stage since the start of the 2013 Dakar. The difficulty goes up a notch. This stage is a beefed-up version of the one that was run in the opposite direction in 2012, wreaking pure havoc. The route will be slightly different for the cars and the motorcycles, which will have to visit the three refuelling points in their road books. One of them comes 173 km into the special. They'll also tackle a 2 km slide downhill in the first third of the special. All in all, another momentous stage in this rally. The big favourites Despres, Peterhansel, De Rooy and Patronelli (most of them winners in 2012) took the lead on Monday, but their margins are still small and there's no doubt that Tuesday will be a very eventful day.

First bike off at 12:45:00 CAF
VAN NIEKERK Riaan  13:13:00
CURTIS Darryl  13:13:30  
CUMMINGS Brett  13:29:00
WALDSCHMIDT Ingo 13:27:00
REEVE David  13:20:30  
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 11:00:25 am
At 40km/h I would crash trying to read a road book, big up to the Dakar boys, lots of skill.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: blazes on January 08, 2013, 11:00:34 am
Dakar Race report- Johnny Campbell stage 3. Pisco to Nazca.
Special 242km
Liaison 95km
Well things did not go as planned today. Early in the stage the bike developed a hesitation that seemed to be fuel system related. I wasn't sure so I did an examination on the bike and everything seemed to be in order. Pizzolito stopped but he could do nothing for me so I sent him on to follow Helder without me. The race continued without me as I would have to wait for a my extremely fast, bright orange, Support vehicle, piloted by none other than the fastest 4-wheel driver in the desert, Robby Gordon and his Navigator Kellon Walsh. They kindly dropped off a care package that would get me back going. After 20 or so more minutes of repair I was back underway.
But instead of racing with 2- wheel vehicles I found my self smack dab in the middle of the Garbage truck race!!
And man let me tell you, these guys are the gnarliest drivers out there. I couldn't believe what I saw happening right before my eyes. These guys drive trucks, BIG trucks over the softest, steepest dunes that makes me pucker on a bike! The course turned south to a quick beach run, where yes I popped a wheelie for my homies. :) Everything was all good till about 40km from the finish where the bike started acting up again. I nursed it in the rest of the way. I was sure glad to have made it to the bivouac where my HRC crew took quickly to the bike to get it dialed in for the next stage. Stage 4 will be 720km almost 500 miles!! Yikes!
Got go finish my road book!
Adios for now,
Love,
Johnny
__________________

Apparently the "care package" was a fuel pump.  

The question is how did Johnny get word back to Robby to bring the damn thing?

I must admit my opinion of Robby keeps changing.  After seeing the clip of him abusing his codriver in stage one I thought he was an idiot again (I originally thought he was idiot but his response to the ASO disqualifying him last year changed that).  But now I think he's a good guy again for going out of his way when he could ill afford the time to find and help Johnny  :thumleft:

Same as in the Baja --Helicopter --these Big teams have their own Choppers on route ---
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 11:16:08 am
GINIEL DE VILLIERS

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-15.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 08, 2013, 11:19:29 am
GINIEL DE VILLIERS

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-15.jpg)
What an awesome Shot. I would love to ride down that Dune/Hill/Mountain!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 11:22:24 am
From Don - sound like he is out, but at least he's OK.

The curse of the Dakar has struck again this was the best team and bike . I was hit by a race truck extensively damaging my bike I rode on.
My bike quit do the damage. I nursed it along but it quit 4 km the end of the special. I did my best to repair was told at 1 am time was up.

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 11:24:13 am
From Don - sound like he is out, but at least he's OK.

The curse of the Dakar has struck again this was the best team and bike . I was hit by a race truck extensively damaging my bike I rode on.
My bike quit do the damage. I nursed it along but it quit 4 km the end of the special. I did my best to repair was told at 1 am time was up.




How does the sentinel work??

Isn't it supposed to prevent incidents like this?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 11:28:27 am
GINIEL DE VILLIERS

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-15.jpg)
What an awesome Shot. I would love to ride down that Dune/Hill/Mountain!


Once in a lifetime experience. Would be right at the end, for me, about 1/10 of the way down......
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 08, 2013, 11:28:54 am
From Don - sound like he is out, but at least he's OK.

The curse of the Dakar has struck again this was the best team and bike . I was hit by a race truck extensively damaging my bike I rode on.
My bike quit do the damage. I nursed it along but it quit 4 km the end of the special. I did my best to repair was told at 1 am time was up.




How does the sentinel work??

Isn't it supposed to prevent incidents like this?
It is supposed to. The problem is if the rider or stopped vehicle does not activate their system it will not alarm in the other vehicle. (When you stop you are supposed to press a button which activates the system and notifies any one within a 200m radius of your presence.)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 11:31:41 am
Dakar Race report- Johnny Campbell stage 3. Pisco to Nazca.
Special 242km
Liaison 95km
Well things did not go as planned today. Early in the stage the bike developed a hesitation that seemed to be fuel system related. I wasn't sure so I did an examination on the bike and everything seemed to be in order. Pizzolito stopped but he could do nothing for me so I sent him on to follow Helder without me. The race continued without me as I would have to wait for a my extremely fast, bright orange, Support vehicle, piloted by none other than the fastest 4-wheel driver in the desert, Robby Gordon and his Navigator Kellon Walsh. They kindly dropped off a care package that would get me back going. After 20 or so more minutes of repair I was back underway.
But instead of racing with 2- wheel vehicles I found my self smack dab in the middle of the Garbage truck race!!
And man let me tell you, these guys are the gnarliest drivers out there. I couldn't believe what I saw happening right before my eyes. These guys drive trucks, BIG trucks over the softest, steepest dunes that makes me pucker on a bike! The course turned south to a quick beach run, where yes I popped a wheelie for my homies. :) Everything was all good till about 40km from the finish where the bike started acting up again. I nursed it in the rest of the way. I was sure glad to have made it to the bivouac where my HRC crew took quickly to the bike to get it dialed in for the next stage. Stage 4 will be 720km almost 500 miles!! Yikes!
Got go finish my road book!
Adios for now,
Love,
Johnny
__________________

Apparently the "care package" was a fuel pump.  

The question is how did Johnny get word back to Robby to bring the damn thing?

I must admit my opinion of Robby keeps changing.  After seeing the clip of him abusing his codriver in stage one I thought he was an idiot again (I originally thought he was idiot but his response to the ASO disqualifying him last year changed that).  But now I think he's a good guy again for going out of his way when he could ill afford the time to find and help Johnny  :thumleft:

Same as in the Baja --Helicopter --these Big teams have their own Choppers on route ---

I thought that comm's with the pits was forbidden during a stage, hence my question.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 11:33:48 am
From Don - sound like he is out, but at least he's OK.

The curse of the Dakar has struck again this was the best team and bike . I was hit by a race truck extensively damaging my bike I rode on.
My bike quit do the damage. I nursed it along but it quit 4 km the end of the special. I did my best to repair was told at 1 am time was up.




How does the sentinel work??

Isn't it supposed to prevent incidents like this?
It is supposed to. The problem is if the rider or stopped vehicle does not activate their system it will not alarm in the other vehicle. (When you stop you are supposed to press a button which activates the system and notifies any one within a 200m radius of your presence.)

Ja I read a post on AdvRider yesterday by a rider stuck in the 1st stage who said that only two in ten cars that passed him had their sentinal's switched on.  He said it was terrifying.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 11:34:33 am
From Don - sound like he is out, but at least he's OK.

The curse of the Dakar has struck again this was the best team and bike . I was hit by a race truck extensively damaging my bike I rode on.
My bike quit do the damage. I nursed it along but it quit 4 km the end of the special. I did my best to repair was told at 1 am time was up.




How does the sentinel work??

Isn't it supposed to prevent incidents like this?
It is supposed to. The problem is if the rider or stopped vehicle does not activate their system it will not alarm in the other vehicle. (When you stop you are supposed to press a button which activates the system and notifies any one within a 200m radius of your presence.)

That's what I thought.
Wonder what happened then? I recall on the f5 thread someone else had a mishap with a car whose sentinel was off/not working.

EDIT:SEE POST ABOVE: alanB.... he is too fast that man. ;D  Thats the incident I was referring to.
 
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 11:43:46 am
From Helder Facebook, 5 min ago
(yesterday he didn't mention that he got gas from Pizzolito, that was a quote taken from some other place)

Today I returned to spend some time in late stage of the same reason.À arrival at the bivouac was with Honda technicians trying to figure out the source of the problem and I am sure that everything will be solved. The Dakar is still at the beginning and as I gave notice to this year's edition will present difficulties far greater than those of previous years. I am confident that we will overcome these initial complications and we can show all our value.

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-16.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 08, 2013, 11:48:32 am
From Don - sound like he is out, but at least he's OK.

The curse of the Dakar has struck again this was the best team and bike . I was hit by a race truck extensively damaging my bike I rode on.
My bike quit do the damage. I nursed it along but it quit 4 km the end of the special. I did my best to repair was told at 1 am time was up.


I must say that ASO make every effort keep safety a premium. There was 4 people checking our bikes and Cars daily at the Challenge. In the Morning, at the start and at the end of the stage when they checked your waypoints. They came to me at one point on day one and said that my Irritrac was intermittent and was promptly issued another antenae which solved the problem. They constantly inform you of how the systems work and are always willing to give some training on things if you do not understand!

How does the sentinel work??

Isn't it supposed to prevent incidents like this?
It is supposed to. The problem is if the rider or stopped vehicle does not activate their system it will not alarm in the other vehicle. (When you stop you are supposed to press a button which activates the system and notifies any one within a 200m radius of your presence.)

That's what I thought.
Wonder what happened then? I recall on the f5 thread someone else had a mishap with a car whose sentinel was off/not working.

EDIT:SEE POST ABOVE: alanB.... he is too fast that man. ;D  Thats the incident I was referring to.
 
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: roxenz on January 08, 2013, 11:54:19 am
Is the 1000 Meters above Sea level or a set of Dunes 1000m High? Even at 1000m above sea level that is going to sap performance of the vehicles!


Kenesis, I stood on the top of the erg shown below (in the area where BlueBull indicated the Dakar will pass through).  GPS altitude at the top was about 1400m, at the bottom 80m (heights above sea level). Serious sand - the Prado we had struggled to make it up: we had to stop for it to cool down several times.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 12:00:26 pm
From http://rallyraidcanada.com

End of the RALLY for Don

Just had a call from Paul Green … and …unfortunately it is the end of the rally for Don. The ASO medical car has picked Don up. Apparently he is physically ok. His bike sustained a lot of damage when he was hit by the truck, but he managed to piece it together and inch towards the end of the special. However, at approx. 4 kms from the end of the special he had insurmountable mechanical problems and was not able to get the bike running. Don is headed back to the biouvac with ASO at this moment. Can’t wait to talk to him to make sure he
is ok. Our last conversation was via someones satellite phone at about 5:20 pm(our time)- 12 kms from the end of the section and he was not in such good shape. He was having trouble talking and wasn’t making much sense. I was not sure at that point what was going to happen. He had been out on the course for close to 12 hours. He had no way of contacting anyone from his team and I’m sure mine was the only number he could remember to call on the sat phone.

Luckily, after trying to get ahold of Llel, Simon or Paul, I was able to contact Simon Pavey’s wife Linley who in turn got ahold of Simon and Paul. Simon and Paul went to ASO. ASO called Paris. Paris called Don on his iritrack. By this time it was dark, Don had no navigation, no lights and the bike was broken and buried.
He told ASO he was continuing on and did not need assistance. He managed to struggle to the 4km mark, but the bike just quit and he could not get it going. That is all I know at this point. I am sure Don is very disappointed!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BOER! on January 08, 2013, 12:05:33 pm
You really feel sorry for the guys crashing out of the dakar.  Imagine the determination to piece together your bike after a Flippen truck hit you!

Bad luck to Don
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 12:05:59 pm
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-17.jpg)

AAARGH. can't get this gif thing working.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kerritz on January 08, 2013, 12:06:28 pm
You really feel sorry for the guys crashing out of the dakar.  Imagine the determination to piece together your bike after a Flippen truck hit you!

Bad luck to Don

Ja nee etter...ek stem....jou kop moet fokken hard wees!!  :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 12:11:53 pm
From Helder Facebook, 5 min ago
(yesterday he didn't mention that he got gas from Pizzolito, that was a quote taken from some other place)

Today I returned to spend some time in late stage of the same reason.À arrival at the bivouac was with Honda technicians trying to figure out the source of the problem and I am sure that everything will be solved. The Dakar is still at the beginning and as I gave notice to this year's edition will present difficulties far greater than those of previous years. I am confident that we will overcome these initial complications and we can show all our value.

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-16.jpg)

Serious head scratching going on in the Honda pits!

Hope they find a solution, it must be so frustrating for everyone involved!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 12:20:36 pm
From Troy Safari on ADV:

Chaleco leads out today, with Despres two spots back in Pos 3., but holding @ 3 min lead o/a to the Chilebean who is 2nd currently. If Despres puts a bead on Lopez in the opening 19 to 40 kms (some tough dunes)... he can track the two wheel tracks ahead, then he picks up effectively 7 minute buffer total on Chaleco and can control him from behind.

Keep an eye out you f5 WP hunters at the 39 km mark... where the moto course diverts from the auto route (remember Coma's boo boo out front in argentina a couple years back, where the course did similar... went wrong way for a bit and handed CDP the upper glove? )

There could be a degree of confusion in the 39 to 51 km sector, where it's MOTO only route (technical?) and looks like they drop off the face of the planet to rejoin the course proper!

Pål Anders Ovenwoolmittens is in third spot overall and only 5 minutes off CDP outright lead. With a start pos of 10, today he is the last of the two minute start gap riders, and if he manages his day well, is optimally placed to pick off five or six riders, which will translate to another top five stage result and strengthen his title bid. he like tough days as well... as his Swedish neighbours would say; "en seg jävel...!"

Similarly Oliver growing Pains in 4th overall on the Yamaha... has a good opportunity today to stamp his name on something, along with yamaha colleagues Casteau and Verhoven (although probably a little tender after yesterdays boulder bowling session). I Yamaha make a move today, THEY could be the ones to take it to KTM and keep the pressure on thru to rest day for remainder of week one...

Viladoms also - the hopes of husqvarna lie with their "best customer" (in 8th general classification currently 9 minutes off Cyrils lead) and Botturi in 11th only two minutes further back in overall terms.

After the intitial pummeling in the first 80 km's... things settle down (relatively speaking) from @ the 110 km mark through to CP/fuel at 233 km...

Then 12 km after the restart (fuel zones are a fifteen minute nutralization where riders only can fuel/re-water themselves... no outside service) is a BIG F5-ing uphill!!!

Then the ASS at 288 km... who will have theirs handed to them today...?

Tune in to f5 broadcasting and f5ind the f5¤% out...! 
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 12:41:54 pm
.Seriously had to reduce this in size to post it.

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 12:44:06 pm
That is one hell of a knock he took
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Lourens ツ on January 08, 2013, 12:46:58 pm
Tweet from  Darryl Curtis:  See it's easy to follow, how hard can it be ?? Right !!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Lourens ツ on January 08, 2013, 01:02:54 pm
.Seriously had to reduce this in size to post it.

<Rant on>
Personally I don't like clips turned into gifs. They are too big and to get them down to a manageable size you loose to much detail.  And, if not made correctly they only play through once and do not loop and you have to reload it to see it, thus double the download plus it download every time you open the page.  :-\
<Rant off>

I feel so much better now!  ;D  :thumright:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 01:03:53 pm
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/ctie.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 01:05:57 pm
.Seriously had to reduce this in size to post it.

<Rant on>
Personally I don't like clips turned into gifs. They are too big and to get them down to a manageable size you loose to much detail.  And, if not made correctly they only play through once and do not loop and you have to reload it to see it, thus double the download plus it download every time you open the page.  :-\
<Rant off>

I feel so much better now!  ;D  :thumright:

 ::) Sorry Sir, it was just part of my learning curve  :peepwall:

Sal'ie weer nie
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 01:06:13 pm
First bikes away....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Lourens ツ on January 08, 2013, 01:10:31 pm
.Seriously had to reduce this in size to post it.

<Rant on>
Personally I don't like clips turned into gifs. They are too big and to get them down to a manageable size you loose to much detail.  And, if not made correctly they only play through once and do not loop and you have to reload it to see it, thus double the download plus it download every time you open the page.  :-\
<Rant off>

I feel so much better now!  ;D  :thumright:

 ::) Sorry Sir, it was just part of my learning curve  :peepwall:

Sal'ie weer nie

 :imaposer: You already did it again!!!  ;D

That image is 1731.93 KB big (1,7MB!!!)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 01:15:42 pm
OOOPS, slipped again
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/car1.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Lourens ツ on January 08, 2013, 01:18:11 pm
OOOPS, slipped again


Ah well, I'll follow the progress somewhere else.   :thumleft:  My data bundle can't handle the large gifs.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 01:19:49 pm
.Seriously had to reduce this in size to post it.

<Rant on>
Personally I don't like clips turned into gifs. They are too big and to get them down to a manageable size you loose to much detail.  And, if not made correctly they only play through once and do not loop and you have to reload it to see it, thus double the download plus it download every time you open the page.  :-\
<Rant off>

I feel so much better now!  ;D  :thumright:

 ::) Sorry Sir, it was just part of my learning curve  :peepwall:

Sal'ie weer nie

 :imaposer: You already did it again!!!  ;D

That image is 1731.93 KB big (1,7MB!!!)

Yes, BUT , theses gifs are hosted off site AND you don't have to refresh the page.  :thumleft:


OK, I get the hint.

That was the last one
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Motties on January 08, 2013, 01:21:29 pm

Serious head scratching going on in the Honda pits!

Hope they find a solution, it must be so frustrating for everyone involved!

There is a solution, but the Honda okes wouldn't like to hear what that is.... :pot: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 01:27:45 pm

Serious head scratching going on in the Honda pits!

Hope they find a solution, it must be so frustrating for everyone involved!

There is a solution, but the Honda okes wouldn't like to hear what that is.... :pot: :biggrin:

From PAL yesterday:
"Them Hondas, have too little fuel tank, that is the whole trouble, Helder must ride in fuel preservation mode when 250 km between fuel stops. But tommorow is 170km, so we see they do. But to say, I ain't seen no Factory Honda in front of me yet, hahaha.. :)"

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: sidetrack on January 08, 2013, 01:32:46 pm

Serious head scratching going on in the Honda pits!

Hope they find a solution, it must be so frustrating for everyone involved!

There is a solution, but the Honda okes wouldn't like to hear what that is.... :pot: :biggrin:

From PAL yesterday:
"Them Hondas, have too little fuel tank, that is the whole trouble, Helder must ride in fuel preservation mode when 250 km between fuel stops. But tommorow is 170km, so we see they do. But to say, I ain't seen no Factory Honda in front of me yet, hahaha.. :)"


I think the oke in charge of this bike from HRC is going to perform seppuku !
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 01:44:58 pm
Aliboererolling...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Lourens ツ on January 08, 2013, 01:46:56 pm
Some serious ups and downs today!  :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 01:48:21 pm
More on the mysterious telepathic spares delivery service  :biggrin:

From AdvRider:
Quote
watched the Robby video and seems like JC knew they were coming the way he ran to the pass. side to collect his care package...wonder how they got word to him they were on the way with parts??
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 01:51:36 pm

Serious head scratching going on in the Honda pits!

Hope they find a solution, it must be so frustrating for everyone involved!

There is a solution, but the Honda okes wouldn't like to hear what that is.... :pot: :biggrin:

Maybe KTM should offer them the fuel pumps they use in the 950  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 01:54:47 pm
The honda's are battling with their small fuel loads in the thick sand, but might be a different story when things open up.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 02:04:59 pm
RallyRAIDio ‏@RallyRAIDio
Reports coming in that @JavierPizzolito leads at the first waypoint, followed by Pain, Farres Guell, Casteu and Kuba
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 02:09:35 pm
From ADV forum, via ?????

Pizzolito leads, followed by Olivier Pain, Gerard Fares Guell, David Casteu and Kuba Przygonski.
The Lopez-Goncalves-Despres train seems to have made an error.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2013, 02:10:02 pm
Day 4 has three huge ergs on the menu; the 1st is the day of Cerro Marcha, the bikers will have to come straight down this.  :eek7:  :deal:

Not too bad, its only 1,000m high....

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/62551643.jpg)

The cars and trucks have to go down further to the left on a route that is 1km longer and half as steep - which is still pretty freaking steep.

Still working on the route, but in between the ergs it looks like old rocky, winding mining tracks that eventually drop down to a lovely green valley in the desert.
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/45921775.jpg)



The 2nd erg is not as steep but its a climb that will test the spirits of but the best dune riders.

The 3rd erg is the hardest, with a another huge descent into a gulley from hell, similar to the one at Fiambala in years past. The special stage ends after they can make it out of the gulley.

Then they have a nice winding coastal route to relax on for about 200km before another series of long, hot, boring strights to the bivouac.

This day I think will be the toughest Peru has to offer.
Is the 1000 Meters above Sea level or a set of Dunes 1000m High? Even at 1000m above sea level that is going to sap performance of the vehicles!



Um both...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2013, 02:11:18 pm
Here is an updated but more precise map for you, Sorry its not interactive. Not I did NOT have time to finalize the precise route after CP1 but it is in the region indicated. It about 90% correct up to CP1. all the Wps make sense to me now.dune sections marked in Yellow.

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-kT8F87M/0/XL/st4%20dune%20sections-XL.jpg)


(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-qb3Rd5m/0/XL/St4a-XL.jpg)


Wp2 -WP3 After a huge descent the riders follw a river bed onto a sandy track tanking them into another dune field which they have to climb, if they go too far right here they will will find themselves cut off between a slop too steep to climb and a big drop of down another huge (500M+) dune slope,  If they make it they get to Wp3

Wp3-Cp1 follows a mountain track, very rough at first.but taking them down almost tosea level again.

The final dunes section is going to be the most technical thoughwithsteep up and downhills to negotiate.

Hope it helps!! :deal
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 02:11:58 pm
Tracking down on Mischa's site and Dakar site.


Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 02:14:11 pm
Jeesh Neil, dont know how you manage to to work out the track like that!

Its amazing.

I suppose its all a trade secret?

Do you just match your route's profile to that published by the ASO?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Dogboxelectric on January 08, 2013, 02:14:25 pm
That feul tank story is quite an oversite, did they not have long stages in Morrocco or not as much sand or what?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 02:14:59 pm
BB.

Surprised none of the teams are offering you a job as official rally seer.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2013, 02:17:45 pm
Hehe thanks guys. What can I say -I like maps and road books. :dontknow: ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 02:20:04 pm
Tracking FUBAR, or lots of riders making big nav errors?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 02:20:35 pm
Forty five kilometres after the start of the special stage, Juan Pedrero Garcia, second in the Dakar 2013 on completion of the second stage, is having problems. He has been at a standstill for several minutes, most likely to deal with a technical problem.
dakar.com
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 02:24:26 pm
That feul tank story is quite an oversite, did they not have long stages in Morrocco or not as much sand or what?

Quite a debate going on on AdvRider to the same effect.

But is it as simple as too little fuel capacity (which I doubt from a company like Honda) or is it something wrong with the EFI system that results in the bikes chewing far more fuel than they should?  Maybe its the fuel quality?

But hey, thats racing for you - these things happen to even the best.  You cant just change your marketing message and go into denial, you have to solve the actual problem and produce the actual results.  Which is why I have so much respect for bikes with a successful racing heritage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 02:24:38 pm
Wish this was true  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 02:29:25 pm
Tracking back on boys
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 02:30:33 pm
Tracking just updated 3 2 Husky's in the top 6 at WP3  :thumleft:

Farres in the lead on a Honda

EDIT Sorry Barreda not there yet
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Dustman on January 08, 2013, 02:34:23 pm
From ADVRIDER"  http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=852309&page=241

"New DAKAR version of Monopoly. If you land on "Honda", go straight to CP1, do not pass WP1, WP2, WP3 etc etc."
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 02:37:25 pm
Honda's doing well so far  :thumleft:

Farres and Pizzoloto and Gouet through WP3 within the top 5 times so far.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: wiledog_X on January 08, 2013, 02:40:24 pm
It is with a sad heart that we announce that Duncan Vos and Rob Howie were forced to retire from the 2013 Dakar Rally. Car 312 suffered a roll, whilst passing a truck, that caused irreparable damage to the roll cage.

You can read the full story here: http://toyotablog.co.za/blog-entry/dakar-bites-back

sorry guys....    :'(

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/c0.0.843.403/p843x403/66467_10151262268046785_253847623_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Dogboxelectric on January 08, 2013, 02:43:26 pm
That feul tank story is quite an oversite, did they not have long stages in Morrocco or not as much sand or what?

Quite a debate going on on AdvRider to the same effect.

But is it as simple as too little fuel capacity (which I doubt from a company like Honda) or is it something wrong with the EFI system that results in the bikes chewing far more fuel than they should?  Maybe its the fuel quality?

But hey, thats racing for you - these things happen to even the best.  You cant just change your marketing message and go into denial, you have to solve the actual problem and produce the actual results.  Which is why I have so much respect for bikes with a successful racing heritage.


Some guys were complaining about feul quality, but surely that should affect all of them?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 02:43:48 pm
Barreda the fastest through WP3  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 08, 2013, 02:45:51 pm
Don't wanna say it bit it seems Darryl is struggling.... Hope not... :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Sithe on January 08, 2013, 02:47:00 pm
It is with a sad heart that we announce that Duncan Vos and Rob Howie were forced to retire from the 2013 Dakar Rally.

Geez ... such drama artists ... I thought oh fark someone has died at the Dakar again  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 02:49:41 pm
Don't wanna say it bit it seems Darryl is struggling.... Hope not... :thumleft:

He's through WP3 as well.  Seems to riding with Riaan, only a few seconds between them, theyre 9 minutes off Barreda's time

EDIT: Bugger trying to do too much at once that was actually Cyril and Riaan Daryl's not there yet
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 02:50:55 pm
It is with a sad heart that we announce that Duncan Vos and Rob Howie were forced to retire.


Damn! These first few stages are really taking their toll on the contestants and the vehicles
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 02:54:02 pm
Don't wanna say it bit it seems Darryl is struggling.... Hope not... :thumleft:

He's through WP3 as well.  Seems to riding with Riaan, only a few seconds between them, theyre 9 minutes off Barreda's time

I think you're right alanb.
They are edging up slowly but consistently.
Probably working together.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 08, 2013, 02:54:31 pm
Don't wanna say it bit it seems Darryl is struggling.... Hope not... :thumleft:

He's through WP3 as well.  Seems to riding with Riaan, only a few seconds between them, theyre 9 minutes off Barreda's time

Darryl started 30sec behind Riaan and has a 90sec bigger gap to the leaders so probably not with Riaan
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 02:59:39 pm
OK Daryls just shown up now - hes only a minute odd behind Riaan - no drama!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: White Rhino on January 08, 2013, 03:02:19 pm
Don't wanna say it bit it seems Darryl is struggling.... Hope not... :thumleft:

The grouping is a lot tighter today. Darryl's a bit off the top 15 but ony by a few minutes.
Riaan's putting in a good show today.
Cyril is lagging somewhat at the same pace of our Saffers ..... maybe they are just running at a cooler pace to ensure a finish.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 03:05:13 pm
Cyryl (or as one guy called him on AdvRider "Squirrel Depressed"  :biggrin:) is way down!

His time through Wp3 is 09:26 behind Barreda who's fastest so far, Riaan was faster than Cyril!

(at one point a few minutes ago I was talking to a customer on the phone, scanning the Dutch tracking site and trying to relay info here  - all at the same time - its not an easy race the Dakar  :o  ::))
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Bubby on January 08, 2013, 03:11:10 pm
The Frenchy just moved up about 15 places between WP3 & Wp4.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 08, 2013, 03:11:14 pm
And CDP is clawing back, caught up 4min...

Bort went through just now, CDP still lost time
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 03:20:17 pm
Brett thru WP2  :ricky:
What an interesting stage so far. I may not particularly like him, but Mr Despres sure can ride....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: DJ on January 08, 2013, 03:22:08 pm
Barreda in the lead through WP4!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 03:23:36 pm
Barreda in the lead through WP4!!
:thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 03:24:41 pm
Barreda's flying!

He should back off a tad and let someone else open the stage tomorrow so he doesn't have to navigate.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 08, 2013, 03:28:03 pm
Barreda's flying!

He should back off a tad and let someone else open the stage tomorrow so he doesn't have to navigate.

If I am correct he started 30sec behind Darryl so isn't navigating much today.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: DJ on January 08, 2013, 03:29:33 pm
Riaan must really be flying, came through WP4 in 14th position!!!  :thumleft:

Darrly about 4min behind Riaan.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 03:31:48 pm
Breaking news on AdvRider:

Apparently Robbie rolled the Hummer!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BOER! on January 08, 2013, 03:35:07 pm
Breaking news on AdvRider:

Apparently Robbie rolled the Hummer!

Aggenee man, didnt even have time to see the guy in action properly yet.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 03:35:28 pm
Barreda through WP5 at Mach 2! Careful boet......
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 03:38:02 pm
Barreda through WP5 at Mach 2! Careful boet......

He's been flying the whole day.!!     Man on a mission!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 03:40:15 pm
Simon Pavey just pitched at WP1, must have had some problem.
Looks like Brett lost lost of time between the start and WP1 as well, but he is now looking OK.

"So far his performance today moves Barreda up from 18th to 4th  ;D in the overall standings just 1'23" behind Chaleco Lopez.
Let's hope he doesn't have Honda fuel tanks...."
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: DJ on January 08, 2013, 03:40:48 pm
Barreda through WP5 at Mach 2! Careful boet......

He's been flying the whole day.!!     Man on a mission!

He only need to make up 8min 30sec on Cyril for the overall lead!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 03:41:39 pm
"It was expected that Robby Gordon would attack today (like every day, in any case), but he has perhaps pushed a little too hard because it has been reported that the American's Hummer is lying on its roof after 29 km of the special stage. The crew is unharmed, but it remains to be seen whether the American will be able to set the car up right and continue the race"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 03:43:16 pm
Daryl and Riaan both lost time between WP3 and 4.  Riaan lost about a minite and a half, but Daryl's down 5 minutes!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: MrBig on January 08, 2013, 03:43:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/CMdPGZFApAI
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 03:54:17 pm
Riaan, currently listed in 12th place after going through  WP5  :ricky:

Daryll's through to!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 03:55:00 pm
Riaan in 12th position @WP 5
Darryl in 21st position @WP5
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 03:55:22 pm
Riaan's having a good day..
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Alan on January 08, 2013, 03:55:28 pm
Riaan's hauling ass today.. he's made up heaps of time, through WP5 he's 12th, 12 minutes off the leader, and Daryl's 21st, a further 5 minutes approx behind Riaan.. Keep it up guys.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 03:59:40 pm
Laia Sanz  :thumleft:


(http://www.laiasanz.com/images/noticias/Dakar2013/Dakar_E2.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 04:00:41 pm
First guys at WP 6
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 04:05:36 pm
Laia Sanz  :thumleft:


(http://www.laiasanz.com/images/noticias/Dakar2013/Dakar_E2.jpg)


I seriously dig that chick, she's always got a huge smile going.

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-6.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 04:09:34 pm
David Reeve in @WP5 currently in 31st position up from 34
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 04:10:09 pm
Quote
I seriously dig that chick, she's always got a huge smile going.

You are not alone!

They are currently fighting over her on AdvRider  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 04:14:21 pm
Barreda through WP6. He is going faster and faster, now caught 10 minutes on Despres, who is now out in front and having to do all the navigation.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: White Rhino on January 08, 2013, 04:14:37 pm
First guys at WP 6

That's only temporary positions until the real first guys pitches in ... like BARREDA BORT :mwink:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 04:17:59 pm
First guys at WP 6

That's only temporary positions until the real first guys pitches in ... like BARREDA BORT :mwink:



 :thumleft: I know.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 04:23:46 pm
First riders throught WP7, including Gilles Diguiet who hits the front of Dakar  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: blazes on January 08, 2013, 04:27:38 pm
Consalves on the Husky will get going in the later stages of the Rally and Viladoms the Ex Ktm Rider riding for Husky is also got a good chance to get a podium --

The HUSKITEERS are doing well  ::)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 04:29:50 pm
The guy on the 150 2stroke has made it to WP1 - so he's still soldiering on and is still in the race  :thumleft: 
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 04:30:56 pm
The HUSKITEERS are doing well  ::)
Are we detecting a slight personal bias there?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 04:32:35 pm
Barreda through WP7 15 and half minutes faster than CDP  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 04:34:33 pm
Barreda through WP7 15 and half minutes faster than CDP  :ricky:

 :blob6: :blob5:

YAY. Really liking this boytjie
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 04:35:57 pm
Brett at WP4, moving up steadily. Wonder what happened earlier?
David Reeve is having a bit of a flyer today  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: blazes on January 08, 2013, 04:36:22 pm
The HUSKITEERS are doing well  ::)
Are we detecting a slight personal bias there?

Nope -- I still think Cyril has it left in him to win this one --

He has been on the circuit for a long time and knows how to use his head and save his bike --

Maybe next year the Husky boys woul have bonded and start to race as they should -- But i am sure a Podium finish is in the cards for them if they play there cards right and not do anything stupid--

Would love to see Honda Husky and KTM give us a good show next year  ;)I all the races --From Baja To Dakar and back
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 04:36:50 pm
Apparently Geniel is lost again  :patch:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 04:37:26 pm
Ingo through WP5
Brett Just through WP4 now....... Hope he's not having too much trouble
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: blazes on January 08, 2013, 04:38:03 pm
Barreda through WP7 15 and half minutes faster than CDP  :ricky:

 :blob6: :blob5:

YAY. Really liking this boytjie

Plus 1000
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 04:40:10 pm
15:24 Cars: Chicherit leads Sainz after 52 km

At the 52-km point, the race situation favours Guerlain Chicherit, who leads Carlos Sainz, Stéphane Peterhansel and Nasser Al-Attiyah in the provisional standings for the day. The front three are followed by Giniel de Villiers and Nani Roma. The virtual gaps between the leading men are not very large, but the first precise gaps will be given after 173 km. Robby Gordon and Lucio Alvarez have been at a standstill for the last hour, the American after rolling his vehicle onto the roof and the Argentinean due to technical problems.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 04:40:32 pm
Nope -- I still think Cyril has it left in him to win this one --
Would love to see Honda Husky and KTM give us a good show next year  ;)I all the races --From Baja To Dakar and back
Well I'm biased - I would love to see a Husky on the podium this year  ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 04:43:03 pm
First riders through WP8, expecting the Barreda sonic boom any second now.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2013, 04:43:49 pm

Well I'm biased - I would love to see a Husky on the podium this year  ;D
[/quote]

ME too! Seriously biased and those Speedbrain Husky's are the most sexy bikes out there. No question.  :3some: :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: TheAnt on January 08, 2013, 04:44:26 pm
Where on the net do you get the best update page for the race? (The one that you guys put on here with screenshots...?)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 04:44:53 pm
Some discussion about Cyril's chances:
Quote
but my impression from the videos so far is that Despres is riding almost leisurely, he hasn't gone full on, I guess he's waiting to see when he will attack in order to secure the victory. His body stance on the bike says "Nice dune ride", where for the others it's more like "shit shit shit"...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 04:46:26 pm
First riders through WP8, expecting the Barreda sonic boom any second now.....

BOOM!
He's picking up minutes per waypoint rather than seconds.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 04:46:43 pm
Riaan in 13th position @ WP7
(not sure if that Diguiet guys times are affecting the rankings)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 04:47:44 pm

Well I'm biased - I would love to see a Husky on the podium this year  ;D

ME too! Seriously biased and those Speedbrain Husky's are the most sexy bikes out there. No question.  :3some: :ricky:
[/quote]

Shhh - dont jinx it  :P

Too early to start talking about it anyway......

 Go Husky
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 04:49:43 pm
On the overall standings (provisional though they may be), Olivier Pain has just passed Cyril Despres and taken the lead, with Barreda now third.
Very provisional.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 04:50:29 pm
From advR

a short statistic:

5 bikes havent reached wp1
another 5 bikes are in between wp1 and wp2
18 bikes are currently between wp2 and wp3
and finally, 47 bikes between wp3 and wp4
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 04:50:51 pm
The argument over Laia is getting hilarious  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Koet on January 08, 2013, 04:51:38 pm
The argument over Laia is getting hilarious  :biggrin:

link?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Koet on January 08, 2013, 04:52:36 pm
Where on the net do you get the best update page for the race? (The one that you guys put on here with screenshots...?)

+1
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: TheAnt on January 08, 2013, 04:54:06 pm
The argument over Laia is getting hilarious  :biggrin:

link?

Pretty please!!!!  :bueller:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 04:55:00 pm
Where on the net do you get the best update page for the race? (The one that you guys put on here with screenshots...?)

+1

http://trackingdakar.nl
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: TheAnt on January 08, 2013, 04:56:29 pm
Where on the net do you get the best update page for the race? (The one that you guys put on here with screenshots...?)

+1

http://trackingdakar.nl

Thanks Steve D and Carrots!!!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 04:58:32 pm
The argument over Laia is getting hilarious  :biggrin:

link?

Pretty please!!!!  :bueller:

Ha Ha!! Just a tizz some of us on the f5 thread on who Laia loves the most
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 05:00:06 pm
The argument over Laia is getting hilarious  :biggrin:

link?

Pretty please!!!!  :bueller:

Oh Sorry

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=852309&page=252

But you will need to wade through a whole of stuff a few pages back to see the humour.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 05:00:22 pm
The argument over Laia is getting hilarious  :biggrin:

link?

My very good facebook friend Laia is as predictable as they come!

I commented on that yesterday. Crazy steady. And she's MY FB girlfriend.

While you two kittens are fighting, let me leave you with this info that she has got a nice little mole mark an a publicly undisclosable spot .....

She told me I was the only one she'd ever shown it too.

Seems she tells this to a bunch of us.

I'll be having words with her when she gets back.

Except that she won't be ...... she's comin straight home to dubai !!!

Boys! boys, boys..Enough of the measuring


http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=852309&page=252
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 05:00:58 pm
Jeesh the suspense is killing me, will he take the stage win???????
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 05:01:06 pm
5
barreda bort (esp)
husqvarna
03:41:09 - -
9
pain (fra)
yamaha
03:49:32 00:08:23 -
13
farres guell (esp)
honda
03:52:49 00:11:40 -
30
pizzolito (arg)
honda
03:53:41 00:12:32 -
17
botturi (ita)
husqvarna
03:56:20 00:15:11 -
1
despres (fra)
ktm
03:58:44 00:17:35 -
26
gouËt (chl)
honda
03:59:09 00:18:00 -
20
gonÇalves (prt)
husqvarna
04:00:37 00:19:28 -
7
lopez (chl)
ktm
04:02:45 00:21:3
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 05:01:24 pm
RallyRaidReview ‏@RallyRaidReview
. @riaan_vniekerk pips through WP7 just ahead of Despres and into provisional 12th.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 05:02:02 pm
Joan Barreda takes the stage win
despres lost 17 min to barreda today
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 05:03:49 pm
Yippee  :thumleft:

What a great ride!

Well done Mr Barreda and Husky!

Dutch site seems to be down.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 05:06:07 pm
SarelVanBiljon 7th quad through WP5 !!

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Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 05:06:35 pm
 :thumleft:  :thumleft:  :3some:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: White Rhino on January 08, 2013, 05:07:06 pm
The special forces have removed Diguiet is off the Tracking card .... he popped up too early for afternoon tea :laughing4:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 05:09:20 pm
Provisional overall top 5.
Two KTMs, two Husky's and a Yamaha.
Lies!
Two KTMs, one Husky and two Yamaha's
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 05:12:54 pm
Honda's seem to have lasted!

Maybe they solved the problem?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 05:13:55 pm
Riaan just finished. Great, great ride today.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 05:17:51 pm
Riaan just finished. Great, great ride today.

Fa£$%k, in 11th place for the stage.

Deprest in 15th

Well done Riaan!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 05:18:38 pm
Apparently Robbie is waiting for parts.

I still dont understand how they manage to communicate with the pits to order these spares at will and get them brought up them?  Or is he just waiting for his truck to come past?

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 05:22:08 pm
Some comments on Barreda's strategy (or lack there of).

Quote
Well, I think it is strategy at some level. It's not an advantage to win the stage and be opening the track, his job in these early days is to make sure that no one gets a gap on him in the overall. I think he's doing that.

Later in the race, on some of the long stages, bigger time differences will start to pile up, he just needs to be there in that game. Leading on Day 4 doesn't serve his goals.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 05:22:31 pm
Honda's seem to have lasted!

Maybe they solved the problem?
First five bikes today:
  Husky
  Yamaha
  Yamaha
  Honda
  Honda

BUT Mr Despres is a clever bugger. Even though he lost massive time to Barreda today, he is still in a great position to win. Tomorrow Barreda will lead out, and his navigation is not as good as the alien. So Cyril can do tomorrow exactly what Berreda did to him today. The Frenchman knows exactly how to manage a gap, all the way to the finish line and the win.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 05:25:10 pm
Is the tracking wonky again? Darryl is late  ???
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 05:26:23 pm

Joan Barreda at the finish


(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-19.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 05:26:39 pm
Honda's seem to have lasted!

Maybe they solved the problem?
First five bikes today:
  Husky
  Yamaha
  Yamaha
  Honda
  Honda

BUT Mr Despres is a clever bugger. Even though he lost massive time to Barreda today, he is still in a great position to win. Tomorrow Barreda will lead out, and his navigation is not as good as the alien. So Cyril can do tomorrow exactly what Berreda did to him today. The Frenchman knows exactly how to manage a gap, all the way to the finish line and the win.

Ja its a problem!  

Barreda either needs to learn how to navigate fast, or find someone else fast who can navigate and tuck in behind them.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 05:29:47 pm
Is the tracking wonky again? Darryl is late  ???

Darryl is in  :blob3: :blob5: :blob6:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 05:30:45 pm
Darryl in @ #22

Good day for the boys overall
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 05:33:57 pm
 :ricky:
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Post by: BOER! on January 08, 2013, 05:34:36 pm
 :laughing4:
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Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 05:35:08 pm
 :imaposer:  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 05:37:11 pm
Quote
and DeVilliers is awol after wp4

Not good news!  Lets cross fingers!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 05:42:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/Xl23exlSQyc
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 05:46:17 pm
David Reeve in @ #26 for the day
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 05:51:47 pm

Spaniard Joan Barreda Bort (ESP/Husqvarna) set off in a more favourable position than yesterday and has taken advantage of it with a time of 3:41'09". On the finishing line he beat Olivier Pain (FRA/Yamaha) by 8'23". David Casteu (FRA/Yamaha), 10'42" behind the winner, sneaked ahead of Gérard Farres Guell (ESP/Honda), who finished 11'40" after Barreda Bort. The leading trio yesterday evening, who opened the way this morning, have lost ground on the Spaniard, but Cyril Despres just managed to do what was needed (FRA/KTM), finishing 17'35" after the day's winner... Francisco Lopez (CHL/KTM) finished 21'36" behind the Spaniard and Paulo Gonçalves (PRT/Husqvarna) came in 19'28" behind Barreda Bort.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: blazes on January 08, 2013, 05:53:16 pm
:ricky:

Good one ---- :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: whitedelight on January 08, 2013, 05:55:23 pm
Two Yamahas in the top two positions overall and 7 of the top ten quads also Yamaha,that must be a good day for the PR team
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 08, 2013, 05:58:29 pm
Dammit, where is Giniel??
WP4 and WP5 gap times are exactly the same...
Komaan boytjie!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 06:01:14 pm
 :love4: Laia Sanz is in @ #43
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 08, 2013, 06:01:23 pm
It is with a sad heart that we announce that Duncan Vos and Rob Howie were forced to retire from the 2013 Dakar Rally. Car 312 suffered a roll, whilst passing a truck, that caused irreparable damage to the roll cage.

You can read the full story here: http://toyotablog.co.za/blog-entry/dakar-bites-back

sorry guys....    :'(

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/c0.0.843.403/p843x403/66467_10151262268046785_253847623_n.jpg)

sad sorry vos owie and toyota.... cest la vie
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 08, 2013, 06:03:23 pm
That feul tank story is quite an oversite, did they not have long stages in Morrocco or not as much sand or what?

Quite a debate going on on AdvRider to the same effect.

But is it as simple as too little fuel capacity (which I doubt from a company like Honda) or is it something wrong with the EFI system that results in the bikes chewing far more fuel than they should?  Maybe its the fuel quality?

But hey, thats racing for you - these things happen to even the best.  You cant just change your marketing message and go into denial, you have to solve the actual problem and produce the actual results.  Which is why I have so much respect for bikes with a successful racing heritage.


Some guys were complaining about feul quality, but surely that should affect all of them?

maybe maybe and i talk from no knowledge whatsoever...either efi tuned etc for dif altitude and fuel quality..or sand in airfilters and blocked
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 08, 2013, 06:07:59 pm
Dammit, where is Giniel??
WP4 and WP5 gap times are exactly the same...
Komaan boytjie!!

Timing is screwing with my head, Div past WP6 with a smaller gap... Did he start that far back?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 08, 2013, 06:09:39 pm
Laia Sanz  :thumleft:


(http://www.laiasanz.com/images/noticias/Dakar2013/Dakar_E2.jpg)


marry me ... and to be perfect all i need is for her dad to own a bottle store
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 06:18:04 pm
Laia Sanz  :thumleft:


(http://www.laiasanz.com/images/noticias/Dakar2013/Dakar_E2.jpg)


marry me ... and to be perfect all i need is for her dad to own a bottle store

I'm afraid there's a bit of a queue  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 06:20:46 pm
Ingo in at position 57

Just waiting for Brett.

Come on boy!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 06:21:43 pm
The mysterious telepathic spares delivery remains mysterious:


Quote
Quote
Originally Posted by Strong Bad 
JC has always been slated as a support rider (aka "water carrier"). Yesterday he had issues and Robby Gordon actually carried part out to him. Which begs the question: How did Honda know where JC was and what parts he needed?

I'm sure he didn't call them by phone. That would be against the rules.

But it seems sending an SMS is acceptable?

Can anyone clarify the rules?  BB? Kenisis?

Some are saying that JC just asked Robbie to carry some spares for him just in case right from the beginning - possible I suppose!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 08, 2013, 06:30:07 pm
Laia Sanz  :thumleft:


(http://www.laiasanz.com/images/noticias/Dakar2013/Dakar_E2.jpg)


marry me ... and to be perfect all i need is for her dad to own a bottle store

I'm afraid there's a bit of a queue  :biggrin:

its ok cos i got a harley besides my ds ...so i gain bonus points i reckon
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 06:32:49 pm
SteveD ....... we need to know what Robbie is saying ....


(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-18.jpg)

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-17.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 08, 2013, 06:33:26 pm
The mysterious telepathic spares delivery remains mysterious:


Quote
Quote
Originally Posted by Strong Bad 
JC has always been slated as a support rider (aka "water carrier"). Yesterday he had issues and Robby Gordon actually carried part out to him. Which begs the question: How did Honda know where JC was and what parts he needed?

I'm sure he didn't call them by phone. That would be against the rules.

But it seems sending an SMS is acceptable?

Can anyone clarify the rules?  BB? Kenisis?

Some are saying that JC just asked Robbie to carry some spares for him just in case right from the beginning - possible I suppose!


they cant phone but what if there is someone following...maybe not entrant but follower who can phone...maybe they do it via face book (",) ... i think whatever they do maybe not really in the spirit but then maybe rules must change a bit ??
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 08, 2013, 06:35:46 pm
The mysterious telepathic spares delivery remains mysterious:


Quote
Quote
Originally Posted by Strong Bad 
JC has always been slated as a support rider (aka "water carrier"). Yesterday he had issues and Robby Gordon actually carried part out to him. Which begs the question: How did Honda know where JC was and what parts he needed?

I'm sure he didn't call them by phone. That would be against the rules.

But it seems sending an SMS is acceptable?

Can anyone clarify the rules?  BB? Kenisis?

Some are saying that JC just asked Robbie to carry some spares for him just in case right from the beginning - possible I suppose!


they cant phone but what if there is someone following...maybe not entrant but follower who can phone...maybe they do it via face book (",) ... i think whatever they do maybe not really in the spirit but then maybe rules must change a bit ??

looking at that pic maybe the message gets sent via supersport
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 08, 2013, 06:37:57 pm
The mysterious telepathic spares delivery remains mysterious:


Quote
Quote
Originally Posted by Strong Bad 
JC has always been slated as a support rider (aka "water carrier"). Yesterday he had issues and Robby Gordon actually carried part out to him. Which begs the question: How did Honda know where JC was and what parts he needed?

I'm sure he didn't call them by phone. That would be against the rules.

But it seems sending an SMS is acceptable?

Can anyone clarify the rules?  BB? Kenisis?

Some are saying that JC just asked Robbie to carry some spares for him just in case right from the beginning - possible I suppose!

Cell phones are the secondary means of communication so calling and SMSing is allowed. You are issued with an emergency number to call should there be a problem with the Sentinel.

I stand to be corrected,

The way i understand the FIM rules, you may recieve assistance from another competitor but not from an outside source! You can only recieve assistance from an outside source (Support Crew) at the Service stop or at the Bivouac. This is for the Special as well as the Liaison. I suppose In the past they had other people riding the Liason for them.

So seeing that Honda gave the part to Gordon it would not be a problem!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 06:41:23 pm
Looks like he has a satellite phone with him.

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-20.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 06:45:06 pm
Ja delivery of the spares by a competitor is OK - I understand that.

Its just how to get the message back about what spares you need which I don't understand.  

I wasn't aware you were allowed to simply phone?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 06:47:11 pm
Interesting... from AdvR

Quote:
Originally Posted by JMo (& piglet)
On the subject of the HRC Hondas having range/fuel issues, fwiw. I don't think it is an [overall] capacity issue, as they carry just as much fuel as the other converted enduro machines (WRs, Huskys etc.) - rather I think there is probably an issue getting the last few litres out of what is a pretty convoluted series of tanks and pipes? - there are FIVE separate tanks on those bikes, some mounted high, others mounted very low, just above the bash plate - so I imagine the pumps are either not strong enough and/or airlocking as the fuel level/s in the different tanks deplete?
Jx
Probably the most sensible response to the HRC fuel issue I've read so far
The way they run their bikes is the have the main fuel tank in front of the seat, with additional 4 tank, 2 of which are left and right of the motor and 2 in the back on either side. The fuel pump we saw earlier mounted on the bash plate pumps the fuel from each additional reservoir into the front central main tank. Between the filler cap and steering head there are some inlets fitted to the tank where the fuel is pumped into. Helder had this system last year aboard his YZ, wasn't very good.
But that's the way it goes with EFI, one main tank pressurised for the injector. The Huskys seem to have it dialed in perfectly, 26L subframe tank pumped empty into the 5L main tank just behind the EFI. Possibly because they're more or less on the same level, whereas HRC's tanks are all over the place?
__________________
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Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 06:54:05 pm
Quote
and apparently the Husky doesnt overheat even with a pigeon in the Radiator !!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: ChristoffGS on January 08, 2013, 06:54:24 pm
Giniel 3rd overall after today.  Still 33mins behind Peterhansel though...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 06:56:09 pm
Giniel 3rd overall after today.  Still 33mins behind Peterhansel though...

Oh good he's OK then  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 07:00:19 pm
Giniel 3rd overall after today.  Still 33mins behind Peterhansel though...

Oh good he's OK then  :thumleft:

 :blob3: :blob5: :blob6: :blob7:


They had me worried for a while there
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 08, 2013, 07:01:38 pm
Giniel 3rd overall after today.  Still 33mins behind Peterhansel though...

Oh good he's OK then  :thumleft:

 :blob3: :blob5: :blob6: :blob7:


They had me worried for a while there

Yeah, only realized late that he started quite a ways behind...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Paydirt on January 08, 2013, 07:02:39 pm
I'm still trying to get my head around the timing site,

but does anyone know what happening with Brett?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 07:04:10 pm
I'm still trying to get my head around the timing site,

but does anyone know what happening with Brett?

He's through WP8 but not showing at the finish yet.

He was an hour behind Daryl at WP8 - cant remember when  Daryl finished but I dont think an hour has gone by yet.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 07:04:21 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/wBadUb6P4uA
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 08, 2013, 07:04:58 pm
I'm still trying to get my head around the timing site,

but does anyone know what happening with Brett?

Should be in soon if not already in and just a delayed update on the site.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 07:07:42 pm
I'm still trying to get my head around the timing site,

but does anyone know what happening with Brett?

He's through WP8 but not showing at the finish yet

Should have been through already. he was only about 25 or so min behind Ingo.

Tracking maybe?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Paydirt on January 08, 2013, 07:09:44 pm
I'm still trying to get my head around the timing site,

but does anyone know what happening with Brett?

He's through WP8 but not showing at the finish yet.

He was an hour behind Daryl at WP8 - cant remember when  Daryl finished but I dont think an hour has gone by yet.


I'm still trying to get my head around the timing site,

but does anyone know what happening with Brett?

Should be in soon if not already in and just a delayed update on the site.

Thanks guys  :thumleft:

Faaark, this is exciting stuff
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Dogboxelectric on January 08, 2013, 07:10:11 pm
Interesting... from AdvR

Quote:
Originally Posted by JMo (& piglet)
On the subject of the HRC Hondas having range/fuel issues, fwiw. I don't think it is an [overall] capacity issue, as they carry just as much fuel as the other converted enduro machines (WRs, Huskys etc.) - rather I think there is probably an issue getting the last few litres out of what is a pretty convoluted series of tanks and pipes? - there are FIVE separate tanks on those bikes, some mounted high, others mounted very low, just above the bash plate - so I imagine the pumps are either not strong enough and/or airlocking as the fuel level/s in the different tanks deplete?
Jx
Probably the most sensible response to the HRC fuel issue I've read so far
The way they run their bikes is the have the main fuel tank in front of the seat, with additional 4 tank, 2 of which are left and right of the motor and 2 in the back on either side. The fuel pump we saw earlier mounted on the bash plate pumps the fuel from each additional reservoir into the front central main tank. Between the filler cap and steering head there are some inlets fitted to the tank where the fuel is pumped into. Helder had this system last year aboard his YZ, wasn't very good.
But that's the way it goes with EFI, one main tank pressurised for the injector. The Huskys seem to have it dialed in perfectly, 26L subframe tank pumped empty into the 5L main tank just behind the EFI. Possibly because they're more or less on the same level, whereas HRC's tanks are all over the place?
__________________



Makes sense now. Placement of fuel tanks and system.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 08, 2013, 07:10:24 pm
From the owner of the .nl site:
"The server is reaching its limits. Currently live timing shows only the first 50 drivers and the automatic page refresh is set to a minimum of 5 minutes. Please be patient while waiting for the results. I will upgrade the server tonight and I hope this will be enough to survive the rest of Dakar 2013. Thanks for all your support and patience."

Maybe that explains it....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 07:10:48 pm
Quote
What a strange pastime it is.
Hanging out with friends, having a beer, watching sports on TV together.

Half a world apart.



My excuse is my car's been in for a service for last two days and I wont get back till tomorrow and my bike has two flat tyres from Sunday's ride and I've run out of tubes  :P

So I'm stuck here!  :biggrin: :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Dogboxelectric on January 08, 2013, 07:11:16 pm
Glad to see the Husky's are doing well at least now there is some competition.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 08, 2013, 07:12:52 pm
Interesting... from AdvR

Quote:
Originally Posted by JMo (& piglet)
On the subject of the HRC Hondas having range/fuel issues, fwiw. I don't think it is an [overall] capacity issue, as they carry just as much fuel as the other converted enduro machines (WRs, Huskys etc.) - rather I think there is probably an issue getting the last few litres out of what is a pretty convoluted series of tanks and pipes? - there are FIVE separate tanks on those bikes, some mounted high, others mounted very low, just above the bash plate - so I imagine the pumps are either not strong enough and/or airlocking as the fuel level/s in the different tanks deplete?
Jx
Probably the most sensible response to the HRC fuel issue I've read so far
The way they run their bikes is the have the main fuel tank in front of the seat, with additional 4 tank, 2 of which are left and right of the motor and 2 in the back on either side. The fuel pump we saw earlier mounted on the bash plate pumps the fuel from each additional reservoir into the front central main tank. Between the filler cap and steering head there are some inlets fitted to the tank where the fuel is pumped into. Helder had this system last year aboard his YZ, wasn't very good.
But that's the way it goes with EFI, one main tank pressurised for the injector. The Huskys seem to have it dialed in perfectly, 26L subframe tank pumped empty into the 5L main tank just behind the EFI. Possibly because they're more or less on the same level, whereas HRC's tanks are all over the place?
__________________



Makes sense now. Placement of fuel tanks and system.

Still just speculation.  But I'm sure its more than just that the tanks are too small!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 08, 2013, 07:17:26 pm
I'm still trying to get my head around the timing site,

but does anyone know what happening with Brett?

He's through WP8 but not showing at the finish yet

Should have been through already. he was only about 25 or so min behind Ingo.

Tracking maybe?
he is in 50 min behind the Leader! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 07:25:22 pm
I'm still trying to get my head around the timing site,

but does anyone know what happening with Brett?

He's through WP8 but not showing at the finish yet

Should have been through already. he was only about 25 or so min behind Ingo.

Tracking maybe?
he is in 50 min behind the Leader! :thumleft:

  :patch: How you know that???  who's your spy?

Sneaky desert people
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 07:27:56 pm
Ha HA.....Tracking just updated.

Yes he's in
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 08, 2013, 07:28:45 pm
I'm still trying to get my head around the timing site,

but does anyone know what happening with Brett?

He's through WP8 but not showing at the finish yet

Should have been through already. he was only about 25 or so min behind Ingo.

Tracking maybe?
he is in 50 min behind the Leader! :thumleft:

  :patch: How you know that???  who's your spy?

Sneaky desert people
My internet cable is closer to him than yours

 :lamer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 07:34:11 pm
So at the end of a very stressful day with Giniel going AWOL, tracking sites a mess, and brett keeping us in suspenders, heres the overall positions as they stand (subject to the frenchies wim to change later as they see fit)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 07:34:39 pm
SteveD ....... we need to know what Robbie is saying ....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 08, 2013, 07:37:05 pm
SteveD ....... we need to know what Robbie is saying ....
Sharp one!


 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 07:37:15 pm
"My internet cable is closer to him than yours"

Must... learn... to..... f5..... faster...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2013, 07:37:35 pm
SteveD ....... we need to know what Robbie is saying ....

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 07:37:59 pm
SteveD

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :imaposer: :imaposer:
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 07:41:59 pm
From Shaun Stevenson facebook:

Fourth day start of special stage
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 07:45:42 pm
Our friend Glen is up and about.

"Chatting to Marc Coma, blah blah. What a nice bloke, it's what I always thought!!"
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 07:46:59 pm
"Had a breakfast with Craig Bounds. Special bloke. Malle Moto competitor, no backup, living out of a trunk, servicing his own bike. You think you have seen hard-core, till you've seen this. Truly inspiring. Watch him, #107"
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 07:47:46 pm
"The two Qatar buggies warming their engines. I love the smell of napalm in the morning.... "
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 07:48:31 pm
"My ride for the next two days, a Dodge with aircon. Sacrilege..... "
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 07:51:10 pm
From www.simonpavey.com:
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 07:58:41 pm
Fretigne out

"The yamaha 76 KMS Team YRC number 21, driven by DAVID FRETIGNE abandon mechanical problems."
This is what I feared for a moment when he did not go to WP3, and having received an sms me first warning of an oil leak. As you can see in the picture, the boot is covered by david. He spent several hours trying to fix it without success. It is time to make a Clearly, the race is over.
I will give you more information as soon as possible.
Another big thank you to all those who supported the team and david"
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 08:00:49 pm
Simon Pavey just came in
 :wav:
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Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 08:10:57 pm
The man that had us worried.

Ladies and gentlemen guys!

I give you MR BRETT CUMMINGS

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-22.jpg)
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 08:24:01 pm
I can't take any credit for this, it was from Strong Bad on ADV forum:
 :imaposer: :imaposer:
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Post by: Breekbeen on January 08, 2013, 08:33:13 pm
I can't take any credit for this, it was from Strong Bad on ADV forum:
 :imaposer: :imaposer:

Maybe calling Nassir for some help >:D
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Post by: Arno Roux on January 08, 2013, 08:36:07 pm
Is Robbie ook uit
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Post by: bmad on January 08, 2013, 08:38:34 pm
Have you seen the coverage from here...

http://chunk-output-1.live.tv-radio.com/canalplus/android/index/1300/02.m3u8

 :thumleft:
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Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 08:44:16 pm
OOOFF

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-26.jpg)

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-27.jpg)

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-28.jpg)

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-29.jpg)

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-30.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Cracker on January 08, 2013, 08:48:01 pm
Aha - someone with my riding skills  ::)
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Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 08:56:53 pm
Aha - someone with my riding skills  ::)

Mine tooo

Except I'm better.

I don't need no stinking sand to face plant in.
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Post by: FATO on January 08, 2013, 09:04:35 pm
Aha - someone with my riding skills  ::)

Don't take yourself so low Cracker, I saw you ride on Sat at Maraisburg...nothing wrong with your skill mate!
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 09:08:47 pm
Is Robbie ook uit

PLANETROBBY.COM ‏@PLANETROBBY
Stage 4 Update: Robby Gordon has made it through KM100 of 288 , now 5hrs behind. Still going!
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Post by: Breekbeen on January 08, 2013, 09:12:53 pm
Moet dit vir hom gee, hy sal nie sommer stop nie.
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 09:26:42 pm
 :thumleft:
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Post by: Lourens ツ on January 08, 2013, 09:30:58 pm
AWESOME video clip, even if the Frenchie won't shut up.
I can't seem to embed it for some reason...

http://www.youtube.com/v/EprzQQo_X5w

I would have given up long ago.  To see that guy struggling so much in the dunes and in the dark is heart breaking.  Dakar is as much a mind game as it is a physical test of endurance.
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 09:31:34 pm
Our man Luis is still on the move, now thru WP5 +04:58:13.
Another loooooong day.
 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 09:37:32 pm
 :thumleft:
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 09:46:29 pm
 :biggrin:
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2013, 09:55:16 pm
Got to feel for those back runners
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Post by: alli on January 08, 2013, 10:00:53 pm
From Speedbrain:

Dakar 2013, 4th Stage – Nazca - Arequipa
718 km (449 mile) stage including 289 km special test

Joan Barreda (Husqvarna Rallye Team by Speedbrain) dominates the fourth stage of the Dakar.

Joan Barreda commanded a particularly hazardous fourth stage of the Dakar, Nazca – Arequipa with 289 km of special test, which covered all types of terrain, and was made difficult by the “fesh-fesh” dust. The Spaniard on the Husqvarna TE449RR by Speedbrain battled his way to an eight minute lead over his nearest rival, and managed to come from behind in the process. This is the second win for Barreda and Husqvarna Rallye Team by Speedbrain so far in this Dakar and allows the rider who hails from Castellon to move up to fourth overall place (18th yesterday).

Alessandro Botturi (12th) and Paulo Goncalves (18th) put in fine performances too riding together for the whole of the special, with Botturi in front of the leading group, trying hard to stay out of trouble and avoid mistakes on a route where mistakes and loss of way are highly probable due to such limited visibility.

The consistency of the performance by Jordi Viladoms on a Husqvarna TE449RR by Speedbrain should also be pointed out, who after today’s eighth place, now finds himself fifth in the overall standings hot on the heels of fellow-Husqvarna rider Joan Barreda. Matt Fish made an effort to make up for yesterday’s performance and his twenty-fourth place today moves him up seven places in the overall.

The caravan rolls on tomorrow to Arequipa ad Arica with 411km including 136 km of special test.

Joan Barreda: “I really rode well today. I’m very pleased. I knew it would be a tough one today, so I wanted to push hard. My starting place in twenty-fourth didn’t really favour it especially with the first 20 kms of dust. What’s more, I had the electronic road book broken and I had to move it forward manually throughout the whole stage. I did a perfect stage!”

Alessandro Botturi: ”A really difficult stage where at certain points visibility was zero. I did a good race. I pass the 3 riders in front of me and arrive first at the end of the stage. It turned out well, and now I’m in ninth overall place, and that gives us a bit of breathing room for tomorrow”

Paulo Goncalves: ”What a lot of dust! Even though I got away in second place today, it was still really tough. We opened the stage and was not so easy. I managed to do not make mistake and I follow Alessandro that was leading for mostly of the stage.”

Team Manager Wolfgang Fischer: "Joan today rode a blinder. Really tremendous! He showed just how able he is to navigate especially under these conditions. I really pleased too for all the other team riders who were able to interpret the stage so well.”

Dakar Project Leader Berthold Hauser: “Winning two out of the four stages gives us enormous satisfaction. The riders and the whole team are doing a great job! There’s still a long way to go but we couldn’t have got off to a better start.”


Result of Stage 4:
1. Joan Barreda (ESP, Husqvarna Rallye Team by Speedbrain),
2. Pain (FRA, Yamaha) 8:23 min behind
3. Casteu (FRA, Yamaha) 10:42,
4. Farres Guell (ESP, Honda) 11:40,
5. Rodrigues (PRT, Honda) 11:43,
12. Alessandro Botturi (ITA, Husqvarna Rallye Team by Speedbrain) 15:11,
18. Paulo Goncalves (PRT, Husqvarna Rallye Team by Speedbrain) 19:28,
24. Matt Fish (AUS, Husqvarna Rallye Team by Speedbrain) 24:00

Overall Standings after four stages:
1. Pain (FRA, Yamaha),
2. Casteu (FRA, Yamaha) 2:24 min behind,
3. Despres (FRA, KTM) 3:09,
4. Joan Barreda (ESP, Husqvarna Rallye Team by Speedbrain) 5:38,
5. Viladoms (ESP, Husqvarna) 7:22,
9. Alessandro Botturi (ITA, Husqvarna Rallye Team by Speedbrain) 11:44,
21. Paulo Goncalves (PRT, Husqvarna Rallye Team by Speedbrain) 24:47,
24. Matt Fish (AUS, Husqvarna Rallye Team by Speedbrain) 35:46


Barreda won the stage turning the roadbook by hand?!! At least he wasnt breaking trail for the first part, but Damn!

Also, the continuous limited visibility gives me the shudders.
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Post by: Kamikaze Swazi on January 08, 2013, 10:09:14 pm
Stage 4: KTMs got owned today...
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Post by: BOER! on January 08, 2013, 11:03:15 pm
addictive sport this.

imagine how addictive it must be to race....
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Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2013, 11:14:59 pm
Luis just passed WP6  :thumleft:
Looks like he and Jan Wouter Offringa are riding together, right at the very back of the field.

Andrew Scott (he of the awesome vide clip) shows that he finished the day, but he has no times at waypoints. There is sone doubt whether or not he is still in...
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Post by: Tuareg on January 09, 2013, 01:47:38 am
         

403 - VAN STADEN JOHAN (ZAF)      +02:56:21    +03:04:13  +04:09:25  +05:24:19   --:--:--   --:--:--   --:--:--  --:--:--   --:--:--

Hope it's a tracking issue..........    :-\
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2013, 04:01:29 am
From Facebook


Glen Grundy:
 
Brett Cummings, just arrived in the bivouac. This man towed fellow rider Todd Smith out of the racing stage for 28km, and then a further 130km on the liaison. Almost blowing his own bike in the process. Proud to be a South African tonight, we don't leave soldiers behind!!! Brett says that it was the toughest and most spectacular stage by far in the race.... Some guys are going to be in very late tonight indeed

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/530579_10151426209346995_1633164772_n.jpg)

Well done Brett for saving the Aussie!

:clap :clap :clap
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2013, 04:02:27 am

Darryl Curtis

 
Had a safe day today, the fesh fesh was super dangerous, I crashed in the morning and took it easy through the stage finishing with a 22nd. Holding on to 14 th overall, thanks for all the well wishes !!! DC
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Post by: White Rhino on January 09, 2013, 05:43:33 am
So at the end of a very stressful day with Giniel going AWOL, tracking sites a mess, and brett keeping us in suspenders, heres the overall positions as they stand (subject to the frenchies wim to change later as they see fit)
(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=94576.0;attach=247484;image)

Nice Summary Alli ... Taking extracts from that list .....

The riders that have made continuous leaps forward since the start:

Olivier Pain 28>12>4>1
Jordi Viladoms 23>9>8>5
Laia Sanz 74>48>43>40
David Reeve 173>69>53>44
Ingo Waldschmidt 109>75>70>56


Stage 1 was a bit short to derive meaningful statistics from, so looking at Stage 2 onward the following made constant improvement:

Alessandro Botturi 25>11>9
Jakub Przygonski 21>14>10
Daniel Gouet 22>13>12
Javier Pizzlito 40>21>15
Riaan van Niekerk 33>25>15


Biggest position losers in the last two stages:

Brett Cummings 75>89 (-14) (impacted as a result of his rescue assistance - the days' hero)
Pal Anders Ullevalseter 3>11 (-8)
Francisco Lopez 2>8 (-6)

Biggest position gainers in the last two stages:

Joan Baredda Bort 18>4 (+14)
Ingo Waldschmidt 70>56 (+14)
David Reeve 53>44 (+9)
Riaan van Niekerk 25>19 (+6)
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Post by: Arno Roux on January 09, 2013, 05:49:53 am
Enige nuus oor #403 Johan van Staden
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Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 07:00:47 am
Brett Cummings, just arrived in the bivouac. This man towed fellow rider Todd Smith out of the racing stage for 28km, and then a further 130km on the liaison. Almost blowing his own bike in the process. Proud to be a South African tonight, we don't leave soldiers behind!!! Brett says that it was the toughest and most spectacular stage by far in the race.... Some guys are going to be in very late tonight indeed

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/530579_10151426209346995_1633164772_n.jpg)

Well done Brett for saving the Aussie!

 :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Darryl and Riaan day4  voiceclips up on http://www.darrylcurtis.co.za

Luis not in yet, I think this oke prefers sleeping in the sanddunes....
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Post by: BiG DoM on January 09, 2013, 07:13:05 am

FIXED  >:D

Stage 4: KTMs got downed today...
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Post by: bud500 on January 09, 2013, 07:22:07 am
The symptoms of DDD(Domestic Dakar Dissent) has started showing at home last night. Apparently I'm on the ipad all the time and then at the TV for coverage but not home mentally.... Eish and it is only day 5 today.... :patch:

Anyone have some tips for treating DDD or should I just ride it out for another 9 odd days?
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Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 07:25:20 am
A really good video (not sure how to embed it if anyone could oblige), some stunning scenery and a few shots of Barreda's blistering pace!

http://www.youtube.com/v/mZfwHxN6y9s
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Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 07:27:40 am
Well done Brett  :thumleft: showing true Dakar spirit!
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Post by: buzzlightyear on January 09, 2013, 07:29:00 am
According to Darryls twitter it has startedy drizzling in Arequippa
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Post by: whitedelight on January 09, 2013, 07:32:10 am
The symptoms of DDD(Domestic Dakar Dissent) has started showing at home last night. Apparently I'm on the ipad all the time and then at the TV for coverage but not home mentally.... Eish and it is only day 5 today.... :patch:

Anyone have some tips for treating DDD or should I just ride it out for another 9 odd days?

Ha ha I got the same problem,when I got home I had a lot of reading to catch up on. Missus asks me if she can have a go on the I pad,not amused when I pointed out there are three other computers in the house. Got grumpy look and she starts browsing Facebook with her phone ha ha.
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Post by: Garfield on January 09, 2013, 07:34:12 am
The symptoms of DDD(Domestic Dakar Dissent) has started showing at home last night. Apparently I'm on the ipad all the time and then at the TV for coverage but not home mentally.... Eish and it is only day 5 today.... :patch:

Anyone have some tips for treating DDD or should I just ride it out for another 9 odd days?

 :imaposer: same thing here, decided to ignore and ride it out, will ask forgiveness later.
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Post by: SpeedMetal on January 09, 2013, 08:10:30 am
Bliksem, just took me an hour to catch up yesterdays stuff.  :sip:

Work is seriously starting to get in the way of he Dakar here.
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Post by: bmad on January 09, 2013, 08:24:59 am
The symptoms of DDD(Domestic Dakar Dissent) has started showing at home last night. Apparently I'm on the ipad all the time and then at the TV for coverage but not home mentally.... Eish and it is only day 5 today.... :patch:

Anyone have some tips for treating DDD or should I just ride it out for another 9 odd days?

Ha ha I got the same problem,when I got home I had a lot of reading to catch up on. Missus asks me if she can have a go on the I pad,not amused when I pointed out there are three other computers in the house. Got grumpy look and she starts browsing Facebook with her phone ha ha.

That's why the missus should have her own iPad  :biggrin:

My wife knows and understands, so no issues in my household.
Remember there is a rest day comming up, but the missus does not have to know about it, so take her out and spoil her - she will be pleased and then it is back to the Race  :thumleft:

My bike projects are suffering big time, too busy with the Dakar so no garage time  ::)
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Post by: desert dueler on January 09, 2013, 08:40:43 am
A really good video (not sure how to embed it if anyone could oblige), some stunning scenery and a few shots of Barreda's blistering pace!

http://www.youtube.com/v/mZfwHxN6y9s

holy smokes!!!!!! hows those offs at the end of the clip!!!!
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Post by: I&horse on January 09, 2013, 08:43:39 am
Finally some competition for KTM >:D
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Post by: buzzlightyear on January 09, 2013, 08:44:16 am
the quad did a couple of cartwheels!
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Post by: whitedelight on January 09, 2013, 08:46:02 am
the quad did a couple of cartwheels!

And not the best place for an off either
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Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 08:46:19 am
Quote
Originally Posted by 8340SU  
More of Farrés, from yesterday when he said goodbye to a top 10 Dakar:

I had gone out as usual: at full speed, but in the kilometer 30 I found a somewhat softer ground, I heard a strange sound, I stood and saw the sparkplug was broken: quickly deduced that the engine was broken. I waited for hours to my assists: hours lying on the sand waiting for the truck Epsilon! If it is difficult to change an engine, imagine how it must be in the middle of the sand. When finally solved the problem, all bikes and all cars had gone!

Luckily, as I had spent something like three years ago and had the experience of that time. Then I ended up with dehydration and heat stroke. Still I have spots on the shoulders of that sun. That was inhuman. But I've learned: this time I didn't took off my coat: long sleeves and held my handkerchief covering my entire neck buff, also asked for water and food to everyone who stopped to check on him. That helped me get physically fit: I was very tired, but full.
The problem is that after all that waiting more than six hours, shortly after having restarted I realized that something was not right: maybe we had not ridden either the new engine, the fact is that the bike was stopping. I had to disassemble the bike to see what it was and got it started again, then stopped again. There were six in the afternoon and I still had 90 kilometers of dunes. It was a day of those where you have to say: "Come Gerard, now we do 10 miles, now another 10 ..." and so gradually. At night the desert is complicated. Furthermore, the focus was not going very well. Suddenly I was almost hitting in a car stopped in the middle of a dune, no lights. It was hell, I did not see the way. And I am very afraid that was a bit cagadillo ... Then, about 20 kilometers I found a car and for a while we were both in parallel until he was nailed to a dune and I went alone ... Then I met Chivite Spanish that goes with a 78 Bultaco and encouraged me because I thought, "Gerard, you are not alone!"

I arrived at the bivouac at eight-thirty, but I did not know what time it was. He had left the bivouac 11 hours before. I could not remember what it was like arriving at night to camp! I had high hopes for this Dakar, we have made a great effort all.
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Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 08:52:48 am
Another story seemingly from the same guy, dont know if its the day earlier?

Like the part where he stops half way through the 400k liason and has a nice meal in a fancy restaurant :thumleft: :biggrin:

Also interesting about the way Cyril gives the eyeball for daring to go ahead and open the stage!

Quote
Gerard Fárres

Today I'm happy. For the first time I could open track. Have been few miles, but I went ahead. Came sixth and at kilometer 120 I caught the front group: Cyril, Chaleco & Gonçalves. I did not expect, so catch them has been a great motivation. It was then that I pushed and tried to navigate alone. But in backcountry areas I still have many miles to do: it was a good day to learn. Although Despres has not think t was so funny ...
When I tried opening track I did it to learn, not by any desire for prominence. But it was not an easy stage. I made five miles and stopped. Then they caught me again and pass me. Navigating through the desert is not easy. And I passed about three or four times. In one of those, when Cyril and the rest catch me again and has made me a nod, as saying 'What's wrong?' Cyril was angry, I looked at him without knowing what to say, Chaleco laughed ... I wanted to learn! And that, one can do, going alone, trying to find the way, had to try ...

Today, at the end of the special, we still had about 400 miles to get to camp. To give you an idea: make a timed special of 300 km, with dunes, stony mountains, roads, more dunes, then do yourself a trip Barcelona-Madrid. I started the way, I covered halfway and I found a restaurant where we stopped last year, me and Viladoms. A year ago we stopped before the stage, as we were coming in the opposite direction, and we stick to that mea,l almost arrived late! We turned up at the output with five minutes to go! But the stage had ended well and good memories. So I went back to stop. I left my bike almost in the middle of the asphalt to Viladoms see it and join the party, but I'd say he have not seen. I have given a tribute, I ate like a Minister! I have a fish dish served with rice and potatoes. Delicious. And then I rebuked progress. I had still another 200 miles. It was one pm and I go to European hours: eat at one, dinner at eight and ten to bed. See you tomorrow.
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Post by: BiG DoM on January 09, 2013, 09:01:26 am
the quad did a couple of cartwheels!

And not the best place for an off either

Faaark talk about a boulder field - OUCH!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 09:05:55 am
Luis made it! And Andrew Scott's waypint times look normal, so it looks like he's still in.
 :thumleft:

First bike leaves today at 15h30 South African time.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: dirtyXT on January 09, 2013, 09:21:26 am
i really enjoyed the first hand account stories from the riders!!!!
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Post by: MrBig on January 09, 2013, 09:50:56 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/M5IDTHuerpg
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Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 10:19:05 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/q4SUT0ozu2I
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Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 10:25:00 am
Andrew Scott is out, broken wrist

 :(
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Post by: MrBig on January 09, 2013, 12:21:06 pm

http://www.youtube.com/v/vkQhIIh174g
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Post by: Kenisis on January 09, 2013, 12:39:05 pm
I got a message from my mate James West this Morning.

He is a little "Unhappy" with the Sherco at the moment. The Exhaust Header broke off and twice yesterday he had injector problems which he had to change out.

I must say if you do not have any technical know how this could be a major problem on a rally like this.

James says the Scenery is something really special and he is really enjoying the routes thus far!

Go  Westy!
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Post by: wiledog_X on January 09, 2013, 12:42:23 pm
some stats on the rookies: from David Reeve's FB
https://www.facebook.com/DakarDaveZambia?ref=stream

There is much info on the Dakar website, but they certainly do not make it easy to extract. A simple question..... How is David doing against the other rookies. It took a while and visits to each rider's profile to answer. David is 8th and catching up fast to 5th, 6th and 7th. If he just continues in his steady consistent approach, he could be 6th tonight. Riaan is however the bright star at the moment, leading the Rookies. (If you can really recard Caselli and Fish rookies)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/c0.0.686.327.94543297746/p843x403/602813_447850618613369_464980504_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: MrBig on January 09, 2013, 12:45:53 pm

http://www.youtube.com/v/DJIUp4hHp5g
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 12:56:10 pm
From www.simonpavey.com:

Stage Four – Nazca to Arequipa – 717 Km
 
Bad like strikes again for Team Delta Kunststoffe Husqvarna UK, but Simon puts in a strong ride to salvage the stage.
 
Stage four was the first of the 2013 Dakar’s long stages with competitors racking up 700km of riding on the last stage in Peru. The technical and dusty stage claimed even more victims but once again Simon rode strongly.
Sadly Simon’s efforts were merely a salvage mission as the Australian had to ride hard to make up for losing almost two hours due to an unfortunate mechanical error that saw the bike cease to run after just 16km of the special stage.
Taking time to diagnose the potential problems and trying to contact the team for advice on the situation, Simon dropped an hour behind the last motorcycle on stage and was behind the lead cars when he diagnosed the issue of a fuel tap not being turned on.
Despite this setback Simon pushed on hard, passing more than 50 bikes to pull himself up to an impressive 126th place on the stage. On the most physical and technical special stage of the rally yet, Simon and his Husqvarna TE 449 SPR excelled and showed some of the potential of the bike.
 
Don Hatton has also continued on to help Simon as part of assistance crew. Don’s collision with a truck on stage three saw his bike damaged extremely badly and the incident started a downward spiral that saw Don forced to retire in the early hours of the morning. Thanks to all of you asking about Don. He is doing great, although really frustrated
 
Simon Pavey – “It was a shame that we had the mistake today, it’s an unfortunate thing and sometimes these things happen. Despite the setback though, I had a great day. I loved the riding today, it was technical, physical and I rode really well.
I felt so at home on the bike, everything was working perfectly. Once I caught up to the last bike, riders started coming thick and fast. The more difficult nature of the day suited me and I was riding fast without trying. It was definitely the most fun stage of the race so far. I managed to pass six riders on one of the difficult climbs and there was a really steep, fast downhill that was superb.
Then we had a big liaison section, it was 430 km of slow going. We’re limited to 100km/h and the road was coastal and slow. It grated a lot and we didn’t get into until late today. Tomorrow should be a fun special stage though, it’s bikes only and in previous years they have been the most fun stages.”
 
On stage five the rally will cross over to Chile, but not without the competitors racing their final stage in Peru, a shorter 136km stage, before heading toward the town of Arica.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 09, 2013, 12:57:29 pm
Manuel Luchese Seems rather quite on this Dakar. I would think that he would be a little higher up in the pecking order.

Does any one have any insight? He has been quiet on FB and Twitter.

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 12:57:59 pm
From www.broadlink.co.za:

Broadlink KTM Rally Team’s Curtis and Van Niekerk hanging tough in the Dakar

The Dakar Rally is starting to show its teeth and the Broadlink KTM Rally Team’s Darryl Curtis and Riaan van Niekerk are meeting the challenge in true South African style, with resilience and fortitude.
Dakar rookie Van Niekerk, on factory KTM 450 Rally #40, had a good day in Wednesday’s 289-kilometre special stage between Nazca and Arequipa in Peru. It was the longest and the toughest stage so far, but the South African responded with a fine ride that saw him finish 11th - his best result so far - 15 minutes behind stage winner Joan Barreda Bort of Spain and improve his overall position from 33rd to 25th. Olivier Pain of France on a Yamaha leads overall after four days and nearly 800 kilometres of special stage racing.

Broadlink KTM team-mate Darryl Curtis on bike #37 is also enjoying an excellent performance so far in his second Dakar. Despite a fall early in the stage he kept his cool and settled for a safe ride to finish 22nd, four and a half minutes behind Van Niekerk. He maintains his excellent 13th place overall – much better than his 44th place at the same stage on last year’s Dakar (he went on to finish 24th at his first attempt) – and is 18 minutes behind the leading Yamaha of Pain.

Curtis: “Today’s special stage was pretty hectic – lots of fesh fesh, very dangerous, fast tracks. I fell off my bike this morning about 10 kilometres into the ride. I couldn’t get my rhythm back, so I settled for a safe ride. Riaan did better and improved his overall position by eight places. We’re just trying to keep it together, carrying on doing the same thing every day and we should have a good result by the time we get into Santiago on the 20th.”

Van Niekerk: “It was a long and tough stage, but I concentrated hard and just kept at it. It’s tough navigating while riding as fast as you can without hitting something and falling off. I’m getting the hang of it and feeling stronger each day.”

Overnight rain in Arequipa signalled the possibility of a wet ride on Wednesday, which could complicate things dramatically. The bikes have a shorter liaison and special stage than the cars.

Stage five starts with a 136-kilometre special stage and is followed by a 275-kilometre liaison section to Arica on the edge of the Pacific Ocean in Chile. The special stage will see a big change in terrain with stony tracks, river crossings and a series of valleys to contend with. The pace will be slower and navigation will be difficult.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 09, 2013, 01:03:42 pm
From www.simonpavey.com:

Stage Four – Nazca to Arequipa – 717 Km
 
Bad like strikes again for Team Delta Kunststoffe Husqvarna UK, but Simon puts in a strong ride to salvage the stage.
 
Stage four was the first of the 2013 Dakar’s long stages with competitors racking up 700km of riding on the last stage in Peru. The technical and dusty stage claimed even more victims but once again Simon rode strongly.
Sadly Simon’s efforts were merely a salvage mission as the Australian had to ride hard to make up for losing almost two hours due to an unfortunate mechanical error that saw the bike cease to run after just 16km of the special stage.
Taking time to diagnose the potential problems and trying to contact the team for advice on the situation, Simon dropped an hour behind the last motorcycle on stage and was behind the lead cars when he diagnosed the issue of a fuel tap not being turned on.
Despite this setback Simon pushed on hard, passing more than 50 bikes to pull himself up to an impressive 126th place on the stage. On the most physical and technical special stage of the rally yet, Simon and his Husqvarna TE 449 SPR excelled and showed some of the potential of the bike.
 
Don Hatton has also continued on to help Simon as part of assistance crew. Don’s collision with a truck on stage three saw his bike damaged extremely badly and the incident started a downward spiral that saw Don forced to retire in the early hours of the morning. Thanks to all of you asking about Don. He is doing great, although really frustrated
 
Simon Pavey – “It was a shame that we had the mistake today, it’s an unfortunate thing and sometimes these things happen. Despite the setback though, I had a great day. I loved the riding today, it was technical, physical and I rode really well.
I felt so at home on the bike, everything was working perfectly. Once I caught up to the last bike, riders started coming thick and fast. The more difficult nature of the day suited me and I was riding fast without trying. It was definitely the most fun stage of the race so far. I managed to pass six riders on one of the difficult climbs and there was a really steep, fast downhill that was superb.
Then we had a big liaison section, it was 430 km of slow going. We’re limited to 100km/h and the road was coastal and slow. It grated a lot and we didn’t get into until late today. Tomorrow should be a fun special stage though, it’s bikes only and in previous years they have been the most fun stages.”
 
On stage five the rally will cross over to Chile, but not without the competitors racing their final stage in Peru, a shorter 136km stage, before heading toward the town of Arica.

Classic a Fuel Tap! I can just imagine the stress! Strip bike down. Fuel Check, tanks are full. Check spark-check! Check Air filter Check! Damn missed something start again!

Glad he is still going! I bet the Tap will be the first thing he checks in future!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 01:12:54 pm
OK limbering up for another exciting day in the dunes  :biggrin:

I must admit work and general ordinary life does get in the way a bit!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 01:17:18 pm
Thoughtful post about the whole competitors communicating with the pits saga (AdvRider)

Quote
Now the point of this post isn't to single out RG or HRC... because - let's be honest - there are many, most (if not almost all) of the competitors at DAKAr over the last few years who break or at least bend the rules as they are written, in terms of "oiutside assistance", illicit communication, telephones/gps assistance etc. etc. etc.

Dare I say, if you applied the rules to the letter of the law, you could exclude at least two thirds of the field on those grounds without too much drama... but it becomes ridiculously pointless AND an administrative impossibilty to police and enforce.

In todays world where gps/satellite technology and the communications network allows an individual to make a telephone call from one barren wasteland, on one side of the globe, to a wall street office several time zones removed, give a GPS co ordinate, and have the person sitting behind the desk use google earth to pin point them, call the bivouac and give a verbal (and text message sent by cell phone) to the team personel on the ground, describing EXACTLY where they are, and even give them directions on how to get to them (from where the bivouac is) and what the problem (mechanical) is.

I mean, even here at the omnipotent ADVRider f5 fortress, you have inmates making world wide donation pledges via the net and communication with the bivouac to source tyres, engines... whatever on behalf of riders who are still out on the course with drama's, in a (well intentioned) effort to keep them in the event... but really, it perverts the whole idea of the race. "Yeah, I did Malle Moto's DAKAR 2012... all on my own... oh, yeah... with support from the f5 network, Marty's hardware and plumbing supplies in Ontario, the kind donations of several hundred annonymous benefactors and the services of DHL worldwide..."

It all pretty much makes a mockery of the concept of man/machine against the elements - no outside assistance - as the TSO original theme of "Le dakar" was... and to be honest in 2012, it is probably unrealistic to think we can go back there (unless another event with these principles is created to take the place), because DAKAR has become a business... a product... and like any product, to be commercially viable it needs to keep pace with the times, sponsor expectations market demands... etc.

As I see it there are two ways to go... if the "cheating" is to be weeded out (almost impossible) you could go back to the old days... just a map roll, tripmeter and a magnetic compass... put a spot tracker on the bikes (tracker) and give each rider a locked telephone (emergency situation only - time penalties if used for other than "emergency" call)... 1979 with improved saftey that the 21st century affords...

My personal opinion is that it there's no point in having a rule and then selectively applying it they should either change the rule to make it clear what is OK and what's not, or delete it, or enforce it.

I think it's great that the competitors help each other - they should clarify what's acceptable regarding communications during a stage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: dirtyXT on January 09, 2013, 01:28:52 pm
From www.simonpavey.com:

Stage Four – Nazca to Arequipa – 717 Km
 
Bad like strikes again for Team Delta Kunststoffe Husqvarna UK, but Simon puts in a strong ride to salvage the stage.
 
Stage four was the first of the 2013 Dakar’s long stages with competitors racking up 700km of riding on the last stage in Peru. The technical and dusty stage claimed even more victims but once again Simon rode strongly.
Sadly Simon’s efforts were merely a salvage mission as the Australian had to ride hard to make up for losing almost two hours due to an unfortunate mechanical error that saw the bike cease to run after just 16km of the special stage.
Taking time to diagnose the potential problems and trying to contact the team for advice on the situation, Simon dropped an hour behind the last motorcycle on stage and was behind the lead cars when he diagnosed the issue of a fuel tap not being turned on.
Despite this setback Simon pushed on hard, passing more than 50 bikes to pull himself up to an impressive 126th place on the stage. On the most physical and technical special stage of the rally yet, Simon and his Husqvarna TE 449 SPR excelled and showed some of the potential of the bike.
 
Don Hatton has also continued on to help Simon as part of assistance crew. Don’s collision with a truck on stage three saw his bike damaged extremely badly and the incident started a downward spiral that saw Don forced to retire in the early hours of the morning. Thanks to all of you asking about Don. He is doing great, although really frustrated
 
Simon Pavey – “It was a shame that we had the mistake today, it’s an unfortunate thing and sometimes these things happen. Despite the setback though, I had a great day. I loved the riding today, it was technical, physical and I rode really well.
I felt so at home on the bike, everything was working perfectly. Once I caught up to the last bike, riders started coming thick and fast. The more difficult nature of the day suited me and I was riding fast without trying. It was definitely the most fun stage of the race so far. I managed to pass six riders on one of the difficult climbs and there was a really steep, fast downhill that was superb.
Then we had a big liaison section, it was 430 km of slow going. We’re limited to 100km/h and the road was coastal and slow. It grated a lot and we didn’t get into until late today. Tomorrow should be a fun special stage though, it’s bikes only and in previous years they have been the most fun stages.”
 
On stage five the rally will cross over to Chile, but not without the competitors racing their final stage in Peru, a shorter 136km stage, before heading toward the town of Arica.

16 ks with no fuel? maybe a little more to this than a closed tap!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bmad on January 09, 2013, 01:44:11 pm
couple of random pics...

Glen Grundy - stage 2
(http://www.dakar.com/PHOTOS/DAK/2013/300/119.jpg)

Those huskies  :drif: :drif:
(http://www.dakar.com/PHOTOS/DAK/2013/300/89.jpg)

(http://www.dakar.com/PHOTOS/DAK/2013/300/87.jpg)

Road to recovery team mate
(http://www.dakar.com/PHOTOS/DAK/2013/300/64.jpg)

Beware of flying trucks
(http://www.dakar.com/PHOTOS/DAK/2013/400/86.jpg)

(http://www.dakar.com/PHOTOS/DAK/2013/200/132.jpg)

(http://www.dakar.com/PHOTOS/DAK/2013/200/95.jpg)

Laia
(http://www.dakar.com/PHOTOS/DAK/2013/200/79.jpg)

 :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 01:53:14 pm
Interesting debate started by our own Kamanya about what the ASO should do to make the event more spectator friendly (particularly internet spectators).

Originally Posted by kamanya  
"Not sure if this should be in here, but here goes...

I am getting pretty pissed off with the ASO.

In this world of technology, we are forced into guessing what is happening for the whole stage. The closest we ever get is waypoint and checkpoint updates and sometimes side of the road sightings or snatches from teams, all seldom in real time. Then, a highly condensed version through various TV channels later in the day to get the visuals of what we guessed to have happened earlier.

I get that Rallying by its very nature, gives enormous advantage to a competitor who can get even the slightest info outside of what is in his roll book that his competitors don’t. I guess that info is the EPO of the rallying world. It seems there is almost a paranoiac effort to keep this out that is stilting the virtual spectators experience.

The technology is there for the members of the virtual stadium to not only follow closely, a dot/s of their choice on a map, but also the possibility for real time pictures from the bike/car/truck much like any other motor sport.

I have followed a team of adventure racers who pack everything they race with on their backs for 5 days and still, even in the wilds of the Australian outback or a snowstorm late at night on the top of a Scottish mountain, I could cheer them on from my home in Africa. Also, I could suffer the anguish of a slow moving or stopped dot, or worse, when the dot goes off course or is pulled from the course! They even have optional checkpoints where they can take pictures, pick up and leave messages for their fans to access as and when.

There has to be a solution somewhere between trying to keep people from accessing outside assistance and allowing us to join in the greatest motoring show on earth.

If some solution could be found, apart from making it even more addictive than it is to people who get “it”. It enables the deeper human stories to be told to a far wider audience. The spinoff is a win/win. More people watch, more people will sponsor, more people will want to compete and lastly a huge source of potential income to the competitors will be generated reducing the one major bugbear in participating in the Dakar – money.

So endeth my bleat, carry on."

(Hope he doesnt mind me relaying it here).

My own take is that it would be great to know more and have better live updates etc. but part of me wanders if it would be as exciting?  Half of the suspense is simply not knowing what the hell is going on over there after the guys leave the pits each day and waiting breathlessly for snippets of info arriving from diverse sources.  

If it was all fed perfectly to me on a plate in 3D HD I'm not sure I would be as interested?

It should really be all about the guys out there in the dunes!  Not about us guys sitting at home.

I know sponsors have money and money makes the world go round and given long enough we WILL end up with some super smooth corporate game called the Dakar - the transition is already well underway from the Africa days (now we have fanatstic TV coverage every night - if you can find a France4 feed - and airconditioned motor homes for the top riders etc).  Money talks!  But we needn't be in a massive rush to get there IMO.

I lost all interest in F1 racing for the same reason - its just a big money game now and there's very little real racing left.  
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bmad on January 09, 2013, 01:54:04 pm
Ha ha, i see Darryl is now a very sought after lady  >:D >:D
Fixed.

that was a pic of Darryl in the dunes initially, now magically changed to Laia Sainz  :drif:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: EtienneXplore on January 09, 2013, 01:57:20 pm
Ha ha, i see Darryl is now a very sought after lady  >:D >:D

that was a pic of Darryl in the dunes initially, now magically changed to Laia Sainz  :drif:

 :imaposer:

Well, she is certainly nicer to look at, when the helmet is off...........    :biggrin:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 02:04:20 pm
From GHR Honda:

[Stage 04: the ups and downs of Dakar begin

Stage 4 claimed some big names from the moto class during its testing 288km special. Were it not for some outstanding team spirit exhibited by Brett Cummings  ;D, GHR's Todd Smith would not have found himself on the start list for Stage 5. Smith aboard his #156 bike was having a swift run straight out of the gate but was soon to be bitten.
"Well, what a day… probably the hardest day of my life filled with every emotion possible. I started the stage feeling great on the bike. Rod Faggotter (#131, Yamaha, AUS) and I were riding together having a heap of fun, tackling the dunes and doing whatever Dakar throws at you. I was working my way up the field averaging 14th throughout the stage."

By the time the pair passed WP8 their stage times were separated by the slimmest of margins - only 6 seconds in favour of Faggotter. But around the 265km mark the tables turned.

"I was then faced with mechanical problems with just 20km left of the competitive stage and then 429km on the road. Brett Cummings came by and decided he'd tow me to the end - which proved to be a challenge in itself. We got stuck, and had to push the bike, but we got to the end eventually! I honestly thought my race was over… but my mechanics are working on my bike as we speak to get me going again tomorrow. I'll start stage 5 in 127th spot, and hopefully have a bit more luck."

Brett had already lost time early in the day and described the stage as "the toughest and most spectacular stage by far." He will depart 124th on the road for stage 5 and stands in 91st place overall. Due to the extra workload sustained today his bike has also required work.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 09, 2013, 02:21:29 pm
Ha ha, i see Darryl is now a very sought after lady  >:D >:D
Fixed.

that was a pic of Darryl in the dunes initially, now magically changed to Laia Sainz  :drif:

That last pic still is Darryl....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bmad on January 09, 2013, 02:23:08 pm
Ha ha, i see Darryl is now a very sought after lady  >:D >:D
Fixed.

that was a pic of Darryl in the dunes initially, now magically changed to Laia Sainz  :drif:

That last pic still is Darryl....

something wrong then, shows up on my side as Laia, unless you calling Darryl a girl  :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 09, 2013, 02:25:17 pm
Ha ha, i see Darryl is now a very sought after lady  >:D >:D
Fixed.

that was a pic of Darryl in the dunes initially, now magically changed to Laia Sainz  :drif:

That last pic still is Darryl....

something wrong then, shows up on my side as Laia, unless you calling Darryl a girl  :pot:

Lol, not easily...
I still see no 37
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 02:39:05 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/VqIo-jW9ABc
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bmad on January 09, 2013, 02:39:56 pm
Ha ha, i see Darryl is now a very sought after lady  >:D >:D
Fixed.

that was a pic of Darryl in the dunes initially, now magically changed to Laia Sainz  :drif:

That last pic still is Darryl....

something wrong then, shows up on my side as Laia, unless you calling Darryl a girl  :pot:

Lol, not easily...
I still see no 37

This is what i get?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 09, 2013, 03:03:00 pm
Thoughtful post about the whole competitors communicating with the pits saga (AdvRider)

Quote
Now the point of this post isn't to single out RG or HRC... because - let's be honest - there are many, most (if not almost all) of the competitors at DAKAr over the last few years who break or at least bend the rules as they are written, in terms of "oiutside assistance", illicit communication, telephones/gps assistance etc. etc. etc.

Dare I say, if you applied the rules to the letter of the law, you could exclude at least two thirds of the field on those grounds without too much drama... but it becomes ridiculously pointless AND an administrative impossibilty to police and enforce.

In todays world where gps/satellite technology and the communications network allows an individual to make a telephone call from one barren wasteland, on one side of the globe, to a wall street office several time zones removed, give a GPS co ordinate, and have the person sitting behind the desk use google earth to pin point them, call the bivouac and give a verbal (and text message sent by cell phone) to the team personel on the ground, describing EXACTLY where they are, and even give them directions on how to get to them (from where the bivouac is) and what the problem (mechanical) is.

I mean, even here at the omnipotent ADVRider f5 fortress, you have inmates making world wide donation pledges via the net and communication with the bivouac to source tyres, engines... whatever on behalf of riders who are still out on the course with drama's, in a (well intentioned) effort to keep them in the event... but really, it perverts the whole idea of the race. "Yeah, I did Malle Moto's DAKAR 2012... all on my own... oh, yeah... with support from the f5 network, Marty's hardware and plumbing supplies in Ontario, the kind donations of several hundred annonymous benefactors and the services of DHL worldwide..."

It all pretty much makes a mockery of the concept of man/machine against the elements - no outside assistance - as the TSO original theme of "Le dakar" was... and to be honest in 2012, it is probably unrealistic to think we can go back there (unless another event with these principles is created to take the place), because DAKAR has become a business... a product... and like any product, to be commercially viable it needs to keep pace with the times, sponsor expectations market demands... etc.

As I see it there are two ways to go... if the "cheating" is to be weeded out (almost impossible) you could go back to the old days... just a map roll, tripmeter and a magnetic compass... put a spot tracker on the bikes (tracker) and give each rider a locked telephone (emergency situation only - time penalties if used for other than "emergency" call)... 1979 with improved saftey that the 21st century affords...

My personal opinion is that it there's no point in having a rule and then selectively applying it they should either change the rule to make it clear what is OK and what's not, or delete it, or enforce it.

I think it's great that the competitors help each other - they should clarify what's acceptable regarding communications during a stage.

Quite frankly i do not understand the big fuss is with the assistance. Think about it. If you have a problem 100 km into a special and you get stuch with a mechanical issue to which you need a part. You will be sitting there for a while waiting for the part to arrive and this automatically takes you out of the race! Then it all comes down to finishing! I really admire guys like Johnny Campbell that did not give up!So his Top 10 or top 20 is gone but he is having fun the way he know how to by riding his bike. He did after all lose 4hr30min with his fuel pump issue!

I also look at it from my own perspective. I am not a sponsored rider, Ok let me rephrase that i sponsor myself  :biggrin: (Dont Tell my Wife!) I pay obscene amounts of money on my bike and preperation to race and just to lie down and play dead becuase i got a flat tire or have a dead spark plug or something like that is senseless. I will do everything in my power to continue the race and that my freinds is the spirit of the Dakar and the other rallies. I want to finish the Challenge!

Last year Simon Pavey took the motor out of his mates bike and put it into his own bike to get to the finish and i really respect the man for doing that. Fight to the end!

Ill leave you with this thought. Is climbing half way up mount Everest an accomplishment? Half a Dakar isnt one either!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 03:09:38 pm
Quote
Quite frankly i do not understand the big fuss is with the assistance. Think about it. If you have a problem 100 km into a special and you get stuch with a mechanical issue to which you need a part. You will be sitting there for a while waiting for the part to arrive and this automatically takes you out of the race! Then it all comes down to finishing! I really admire guys like Johnny Campbell that did not give up!So his Top 10 or top 20 is gone but he is having fun the way he know how to by riding his bike. He did after all lose 4hr30min with his fuel pump issue!

I also look at it from my own perspective. I am not a sponsored rider, Ok let me rephrase that i sponsor myself  (Dont Tell my Wife!) I pay obscene amounts of money on my bike and preperation to race and just to lie down and play dead becuase i got a flat tire or have a dead spark plug or something like that is senseless. I will do everything in my power to continue the race and that my freinds is the spirit of the Dakar and the other rallies. I want to finish the Challenge!

Last year Simon Pavey took the motor out of his mates bike and put it into his own bike to get to the finish and i really respect the man for doing that. Fight to the end!

Ill leave you with this thought. Is climbing half way up mount Everest an accomplishment? Half a Dakar isnt one either!

The only real fuss here (as I understand it) is just around what is allowed and what is not allowed according to the letter of the rules.

I personally have absolutely nothing against competitors phoning in, I just was under the impression that it was against the rules - and so do some other people.  Hence the question and debate.  And I think ist absolutely great that they help each other the  way they do. 

As I said the ASO should just make it clear what is/isnt allowed and enforce that.  They shouldn't have a rule that everyone flaunts and just turn a blind eye, but then be strict about other rules.

So its no real fuss, rather just a question of understanding whats allowed IMO.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: blazes on January 09, 2013, 03:13:55 pm
I Agree with you 100%

I myself have broken down with a seized motor on one of the Destert Races i rode --got help sorted the bike out and went on my merry way --at that stage winning the race was a distant thought --all i wanted was to finish what i set out to do and that was my reward --just my 2cworth ::)

And is it not great for the development of the new bikes that have issues to carry on and see what crops up along the way after one issue has been resolved --
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: dirtyXT on January 09, 2013, 03:19:26 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/VqIo-jW9ABc
thats more like it! enough fesh-fesh nonsense!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 03:20:56 pm
bmad
you lucky bastard.
This is what we get.

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 03:28:42 pm
Hows this picture of a dead pigeon in Barreda's radiator  :o

Apparently no overheating issues!
(http://imageshack.us/a/img805/762/barredabird.jpg)

EDIT:

Actually not the radiator, at all.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 03:34:50 pm
Love this chick.

Laia Sanz

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-31.jpg)

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-32.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 03:40:02 pm
Ja she does have a certain something!

Rides bloody well to!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bmad on January 09, 2013, 03:47:01 pm
How cool is this support from Ingo's wife  :thumleft:

copied from ADV...
"Howdy everyone.

Well the long day ,started bright and early for Ingo... getting the “ready ........steady ... GO” @ about 06h30

After putting new tyres on the bike last night , he was ready for the looong haul in the dunes.

19 motor bikes are already, out of the race as of the start of this morning.. so only 163 bikes started. Ingo starting in 71th position.

I promised myself NOT to become attached to the tracking this time around ( I know.. I bet you all did heh).. so I saw once he was off... then went to go hang up washing etc.-a bit later got a call from a friend..and his words were.. “have you seen the site?... I dunno if I should laugh or cry” ,,,so I dashed off –to see Ingo was registered as coming through WP1 in second place...well I couldn’t speak for a few seconds... and unfortunately that is how long the thrill lasted as well... minutes later alllll the other names showed up..and Ingo was showing at 54th through there. ( it was good whilst it lasted....i have to admit)

Some bad news again on the car side...is Duncan Vos with co driver Robert Howie –both, from South Africa (#312) are out of the rally..
They wrote that their, chassis of their vehicle was too badly damaged to carry on. L

Its 22h30 and still no call from Ingo..mmmmm I know he is in.. so can only guess he can’t get through to me. I wonder what the hell ,wife’s did before the tracking system was bought into this.. couldn’t have been nice-not knowing anything.
What i can tell you though...is that he finished today’s stage in 58th position... bringing his overall position up to 56th J J J J

After watching tonight’s coverage- and seeing people injured and crashing.... brings back the reality of this rally... it’s really is a fight –of blood sweat and tears to finish it and any small mistake could cost you dearly.

Tomorrows Stage (5) starts a bit later for the lads... opps and 2 ladies... @ 08h30 –taking them from Arequipa to the next biviac in Arica. All in all 410 km, of which 136km is the connection and 274km of that is the special (race stage)

On skater chick Zoe’s side...she was uber proud of her scabs and scrapes(and now a swollen gonna be blue eye) this morning... and get this.. when I took her to a friend to go play... guess what she had tucked under her arm.... her freaking skate board. I eventually convinced her that her fluffy toy was a way better (uhm safer) option.

I would just like to add here...a big thank you to everyone who is sending sms’s... mails... face booking and calling... wishing him luck still and expressing how happy/proud you all are on how he is doing. It really means a lot ( he reads it all when he gets back- i keep a journal kind of thing) and it makes me realise that all the time he took in 2012...to look for sponsors.. to get prepped and ready for this race..the hours in front of the computer...in the garage..training..etc - REALLY IS worth it.

On that note... i will end off... feeling a bit odd after not hearing from him...and head for la la land

#101 T U + F X (try figure that one out)

Proudly Namibian
Lisa and Zoe"

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 03:50:56 pm
Damn, you got that up seconds before I could.

Great to read the stories behind the scenes.

Makes you realize just how many people are behind just one rider.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Swanniebraai on January 09, 2013, 03:52:02 pm
A really good video (not sure how to embed it if anyone could oblige), some stunning scenery and a few shots of Barreda's blistering pace!

http://www.youtube.com/v/mZfwHxN6y9s

holy smokes!!!!!! hows those offs at the end of the clip!!!!

Wat se spoed ry daai ouks? (Skies, nie al die blaaie gelees nie)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 03:52:29 pm
(http://www.dakar.com/PHOTOS/DAK/2013/200/95.jpg)

I wouldnt mind that done as a painting on my wall  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bmad on January 09, 2013, 03:53:36 pm
(http://www.dakar.com/PHOTOS/DAK/2013/200/95.jpg)

I wouldnt mind that done as a painting on my wall  :thumleft:

That is space... must be so amazing to ride in that

awesome  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 03:54:43 pm
Apparently Barreda's off 1st and is moving  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 09, 2013, 03:59:57 pm

Wat se spoed ry daai ouks? (Skies, nie al die blaaie gelees nie)

150 - 160km/h op die straights.... :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 04:07:05 pm
Barreda 5 minutes off the pace in 3rd through WP1, Pain in the lead.

Either Barreda is struggling with navigation, or he's got some other problem!
 
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 09, 2013, 04:11:01 pm
Barreda 5 minutes off the pace in 3rd through WP1, Pain in the lead.

Either Barreda is struggling with navigation, or he's got some other problem!
 

I have Barreda as 59sec off the lead through WP1....
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Swanniebraai on January 09, 2013, 04:11:07 pm

Wat se spoed ry daai ouks? (Skies, nie al die blaaie gelees nie)

150 - 160km/h op die straights.... :ricky:

Onse ot, maar hulle gee gas papa! EN dit op daai sand!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 04:12:52 pm
Strange!

This is what i got from the Dutch site:

(4)   005 - BARREDA BORT Joan (ESP)   HUSQVARNA   +00:05:12
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 09, 2013, 04:15:19 pm
Strange!

This is what i got from the Dutch site:

(4)   005 - BARREDA BORT Joan (ESP)   HUSQVARNA   +00:05:12

From that site Casteu, Duclos 58sec, Bort 59sec...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: I&horse on January 09, 2013, 04:17:56 pm
Onse ot, maar hulle gee gas papa! EN dit op daai sand!

In die dae van die 950's het die ouens oor die 200km/h gedoen!!

Sand is maklikker op spoed, tot jy fesh-fesh of n duin kry!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 09, 2013, 04:18:20 pm
Riaan through WP1, 3min down
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 04:18:52 pm
Strange!

This is what i got from the Dutch site:

(4)   005 - BARREDA BORT Joan (ESP)   HUSQVARNA   +00:05:12

From that site Casteu, Duclos 58sec, Bort 59sec...

Hmmm!

It just updated while I was watching and went to 59 sec????

(1)   005 - BARREDA BORT Joan (ESP)   HUSQVARNA   +00:00:59


Oh well!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 04:19:06 pm
RIAAN THROUGH WP 1 @3MIN BEHIND THE LEADER CASTEU
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 04:19:42 pm
(Extracted from) email from INGO Waldshimdts wife:

"All good-except his trip metre broke...cable snapped. It is a device that counts your km’s as you ride.. so you know on your road book where you are. (they indicate things on the RB by km reading)
And the usual... MONKEY BUTT has shown its ugly head.. he is – as usual in agony.. (said – he can’t wait to just get out of his pants hee hee)
His service crew arrived within minutes of Ingo arriving at the biviac..which is a “schlep” the whole set up needs to be...well “set up” . its a lot nicer to arrive and it’s all up and ready and waiting.
Unfortunately the route that the service crews had to take to get to the biviac was a long and twisty one. ( guess they too-must feel like they in a race every day)
Just shows.. it’s such a team effort... the backup crew race to get set up and sorted for the riders..they have to then service the bikes... etc etc..then the next day..pack it alllllllllll up again and hit the road to the next one. Heard from Jan’s wife.. Jax.. that there is a great team spirit amongst the Orange service team. Which sounds like the perfect recipe for two great finish’s

Ingo says the fesh fesh in the beginning of the stage was lank scary. He couldn’t see anything...could only hear bikes at a stage.
He got to a ravine.. and had to stop and stand still.. to listen where bikes were... when he suddenly heard a bike coming from behind.. well – he put foot ( into blinding dust) and lucky for him..it was the right route he took.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 04:21:42 pm
RallyRAIDio ‏@RallyRAIDio
Goncalves, Ullevalseter and James West reportedly made a nav error, taking a wrong turn at km 21.6
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 04:24:49 pm
Hell I hope Barreda does well today and doesnt have any sort of problem!

If he can just get the hang of the strategy and navigation he stands a really good chance overall!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 04:25:39 pm
DARRYL THROUGH WP 1
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 04:32:42 pm
DAVID REEVE ALSO THROUGH WP1
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 04:35:08 pm
First guys through  WP2

Casteu in the lead Barreda 6 minutes (or so it says) behind

(1)   005 - BARREDA BORT Joan (ESP)   HUSQVARNA   +00:00:59   (8)   +00:06:13
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 04:40:46 pm
First guys through  WP2

Casteu in the lead Barreda 6 minutes (or so it says) behind

(1)   005 - BARREDA BORT Joan (ESP)   HUSQVARNA   +00:00:59   (8)   +00:06:13


Looks like the yami's are turning up the speed today
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 04:43:22 pm
Quote
After 53 km, Joan Barreda Bort took a route too far to the north before returning to the main tracks, a slight mistake that only lasted for a half dozen kilometres, enabling him to abandon the duties of opening the road, which is now the responsibility of David Casteu and Olivier Pain... Could it be a part of a tactical plan?

Ja looks like he made a nav error and has lost some time.  I doubt if its a tactical move  :biggrin:

Yamaha are doing well to day.

Plus Pain seems to a capable navigator!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 04:43:45 pm
 :love4: :love7: :love10:

Laia through WP 1
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 04:47:01 pm
:love4: :love7: :love10:

Laia through WP 1

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 04:47:21 pm
Quote
After 53 km, Joan Barreda Bort took a route too far to the north before returning to the main tracks, a slight mistake that only lasted for a half dozen kilometres, enabling him to abandon the duties of opening the road, which is now the responsibility of David Casteu and Olivier Pain... Could it be a part of a tactical plan?

Ja looks like he made a nav error and has lost some time.  I doubt if its a tactical move  :biggrin:

Yamaha are doing well to day.

Plus Pain seems to a capable navigator!

Really doubt it was tactical
Better tactical move would have been to slow down, not get lost and waste time and more importantly energy and fuel.

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Crossed-up on January 09, 2013, 04:48:39 pm
Looks to me like something odd is going on.  Who are all these guys from further down the field suddenly up with the leaders?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 04:48:56 pm
15:41 Bikes: Casteu still leads half way through the special
With a time of 49’25', France’s David Casteu still leads the provisional standings on the special stage at the half-way point. He leads his countryman Olivier Pain by 1’34', Helder Rodrigues by 2’14', Ruben Faria by 3’45', Gérard Farres Guell by 3’47' and Joan Barreda Bort by 6’13'. Only these six competitors have so far completed 67 km of the stage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Crossed-up on January 09, 2013, 04:49:52 pm
Ahh, they fixed it!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 04:55:24 pm
OH BUGGER!


Quote
dakar.com

Joan Barreda Bort's GPS signal indicates that he has been at a standstill for five minutes for a currently unknown reason. The rider has not set off an alert, so it is likely that he is experiencing technical problems.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 05:03:17 pm
Joan has lost quite a bit of time, he is currently behind both Darryl and Riaan

Gone from 8th @WP 1 to 25th @WP 2
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 05:03:44 pm
Tracking seems to be stuck

Hope Barreda's OK and its just a mechanical. :eek7:

Riaan's doing impressively well for his 1st Dakar  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Wolfmother on January 09, 2013, 05:04:21 pm
fuel pump problems for barreda, as per dakar com
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Snafu on January 09, 2013, 05:08:20 pm
OH BUGGER!


Quote
dakar.com

Joan Barreda Bort's GPS signal indicates that he has been at a standstill for five minutes for a currently unknown reason. The rider has not set off an alert, so it is likely that he is experiencing technical problems.


Still stuck at the 72-km point since half an hour ago, Joan Barreda Bort looks like he has fuel pump problems.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 05:08:51 pm
quote author=Wolfmother link=topic=94576.msg2231188#msg2231188 date=1357743861]
fuel pump problems for barreda, as per dakar com
[/quote]

Husky's turn today  >:(

Oh Well!

Daryll's flying it seems. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2013, 05:09:52 pm
fuel pump problems for barreda, as per dakar com

He has been stuck for half an hour  :'(  he is my favourite rider , hope he sorts it out soon.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 05:16:58 pm
Concensus is that's blown any chance of Barreda being on the podium - its a cruel thing this race!

Lets hope he can at least get going again.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Wolfmother on January 09, 2013, 05:18:20 pm
Van Niekerk is keeping up with Sarel, doing really well today.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 05:21:28 pm
fuel pump problems for barreda, as per dakar com

He has been stuck for half an hour  :'(  he is my favourite rider , hope he sorts it out soon.

And that wouldn't be because you think he's cute, would it?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 05:24:30 pm
 :love4: :love4: :love4:

LAIA through WP 2

THAT"S MY GIRL, YOU SHOW THEM


oh yes, and David Reeve also
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2013, 05:25:16 pm
No  ! He is a brilliant rider so dedicated and passionate , and he deserves a podium place ,And is humble and soft spoken and ..............ok yes also because I love him too .  :love7:  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 05:29:38 pm
Apparently some some guys have made it to the end

1   010   CASTEU (FRA)   YAMAHA   001:33:38   
00:00:00
2   009   PAIN (FRA)   YAMAHA   001:34:49   00:01:11   00:00:00
3   003   RODRIGUES (PRT)   HONDA   001:38:06   00:04:28   00:00:00
4   013   FARRES GUELL (ESP)   HONDA   001:39:23   00:05:45


But the tracking seems stuck
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2013, 05:33:41 pm
The Yamaha's are doing great :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 05:34:28 pm
So are the Honda's so far  (today) :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 05:37:23 pm
RIAAN @ WP3
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 05:41:24 pm
Looks like WP4 tracking isnt working at all.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: buzzlightyear on January 09, 2013, 05:44:55 pm
looks like only 3 and the finish...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 05:45:29 pm
I've got a feeling there is no WP 4.

Took Casteu only 6min to get from 3 to finish.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 05:46:46 pm
‏@RallyRaidReview
Casteu provisionally wins the stage ahead of Pain +1'09", 3rd Botturi +3'25", 4th Despres 4'07", 5th Helder +4'52" and 6th Duclos +5'01"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 05:48:07 pm
Riaan is in :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 05:49:07 pm
‏@RallyRaidReview
Let's see how much time Barreda loses. Graduation certificate to alien status has been sent back to the review board.

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: JK on January 09, 2013, 05:51:22 pm
 :thumleft: :thumleft: Another good day in the saddle for Riaan
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 05:55:00 pm
Timing stuck  :xxbah:

Did you see Brett moved from 124 to 77 between the start and WP1?  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: buzzlightyear on January 09, 2013, 05:55:08 pm
I have a feeling DC is either nursing himself or the bike, or holding back till the end.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 05:56:58 pm
@RallyRaidReview
Meanwhile, quietly, @riaan_vniekerk is absolutely kicking ass on his Dakar debut.

 :blob10: :blob3: :blob5: :blob6: :blob7:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: JK on January 09, 2013, 05:59:07 pm
I have a feeling DC is either nursing himself or the bike, or holding back till the end.
Yeesh hope,u r right. He is not even showing past Waypoint 3 yet :patch:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 06:02:59 pm
Where, oh where, is the updated tracking?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Snafu on January 09, 2013, 06:03:33 pm
Anywhere we can track the engine replacements?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 06:07:58 pm
@Bvelenkosa
Matt Fish on the way to help Barreda
Correction, Matt Fish has stopped and is helping Barreda

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 06:09:32 pm
@Bvelenkosa
Matt Fish on the way to help Barreda
Correction, Matt Fish has stopped and is helping Barreda



Must be heart breaking for him after yesterdays fantastic performance
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 06:12:27 pm
@Bvelenkosa
Matt Fish on the way to help Barreda
Correction, Matt Fish has stopped and is helping Barreda
Must be heart breaking for him after yesterdays fantastic performance

For him, for me, but mostly for Rynet  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: JK on January 09, 2013, 06:13:22 pm
@Bvelenkosa
Matt Fish on the way to help Barreda
Correction, Matt Fish has stopped and is helping Barreda



Must be heart breaking for him after yesterdays fantastic performance
Eish yes if he can get the bike fixed he will have to do it all over again
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 06:16:56 pm
An insider's look "behind the curtain" where the ASO produces the video feed for the Dakar Rally with Ben Constanduros. If you've ever marveled at the stunning images from the rally, you'll be amazed by the logistics required to get them worldwide from a race day that spans hundreds of kilometers. If you've ever been frustrated by what's been show (or hasn't been shown), insight, too, on that. Thanks, Ben! Hardcore Rallye Tragics, don't miss this one.

Direct download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/rallyraidio/12D26.mp3
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 06:18:17 pm
@Bvelenkosa
Matt Fish on the way to help Barreda
Correction, Matt Fish has stopped and is helping Barreda
Must be heart breaking for him after yesterdays fantastic performance

For him, for me, but mostly for Rynet  :biggrin:

 :imaposer:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 06:20:43 pm
@Bvelenkosa
Matt Fish on the way to help Barreda
Correction, Matt Fish has stopped and is helping Barreda
Must be heart breaking for him after yesterdays fantastic performance

For him, for me, but mostly for Rynet  :biggrin:

Bit depressed myself - have to admit  :'(

But least Riaan did well  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: JK on January 09, 2013, 06:23:08 pm
Does anyone have the final standings yet?. I have ti get off this tablet now and go and buy food or else i will be in the dogbox again tonight
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 06:23:33 pm
According to ADV, both Johnny Campbell and luscious Laia are in.
All things being OK, that would means Darryl would have finished a few minutes ago, and David Reeve would be due any minute now.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 06:25:20 pm
Tracking is frozen it seems

Got it from AdvR that.........

 :love10: :love2: :love3: :love4: :love7:



LAIA is IN

Sanz Laia - ASS +17.42

?? I thought it was +1000
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: JK on January 09, 2013, 06:28:58 pm
Tracking is frozen it seems

Got it from AdvR that.........

 :love10: :love2: :love3: :love4: :love7:



LAIA is IN
All u oks that like this girl so much you know that in the end DC will propably get her at the afterparty anyway
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 06:32:22 pm
Why'd you have to go and say that??

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/file-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kerritz on January 09, 2013, 06:33:58 pm
Tracking is frozen it seems

Got it from AdvR that.........

 :love10: :love2: :love3: :love4: :love7:



LAIA is IN
All u oks that like this girl so much you know that in the end DC will propably get her at the afterparty anyway


 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:.........Proudly South African!!! Sithomin ons gaan mos trou........
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 09, 2013, 06:37:54 pm
Guys , Once again thanks for all the effort you guys are putting in here! Sadly  I just have too much work at the moment to find and share content!

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Tuareg on January 09, 2013, 06:46:53 pm
Tracking is frozen it seems

My life gets put on hold whenever that happens......!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 09, 2013, 06:50:29 pm
Tracking is frozen it seems

My life gets put on hold whenever that happens......!

Ja fok!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 06:53:53 pm
Tracking is frozen it seems

My life gets put on hold whenever that happens......!

Ja fok!


Very frustrating!!!

Everything just grinds to a halt......
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 09, 2013, 06:57:05 pm
The mysterious telepathic spares delivery remains mysterious:


Quote
Quote
Originally Posted by Strong Bad 
JC has always been slated as a support rider (aka "water carrier"). Yesterday he had issues and Robby Gordon actually carried part out to him. Which begs the question: How did Honda know where JC was and what parts he needed?

I'm sure he didn't call them by phone. That would be against the rules.

But it seems sending an SMS is acceptable?

Can anyone clarify the rules?  BB? Kenisis?

Some are saying that JC just asked Robbie to carry some spares for him just in case right from the beginning - possible I suppose!


they cant phone but what if there is someone following...maybe not entrant but follower who can phone...maybe they do it via face book (",) ... i think whatever they do maybe not really in the spirit but then maybe rules must change a bit ??

watching supersport highlights he had a sat phone and was very busy with it
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 06:57:21 pm
In the meantime ......out in the deserts of Peru...

Sarel Van Biljon has passed WP 1 in 21st position . Down from 8th.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 06:59:47 pm
For all of us Laia fans  :thumleft:

(http://www.advrider.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=314122&d=1357749597)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 07:01:11 pm
Ingo is in  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 07:02:52 pm
Darryl apparently finished 21st today:
37 CURTIS Darryl (ZAF)  10:49:41 01:51:11 +00:11:29

 :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Tuareg on January 09, 2013, 07:03:17 pm
(http://eldeportefemenino.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/LaiaSanz-gasgas.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 07:03:48 pm
For all of us Laia fans  :thumleft:

(http://www.advrider.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=314122&d=1357749597)


 :hello2:

alanB

You are a gentleman and a skollie.  >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 07:17:04 pm
Wish we could find out more info about the back markers but it seems no-one's interested!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 09, 2013, 07:18:27 pm
The symptoms of DDD(Domestic Dakar Dissent) has started showing at home last night. Apparently I'm on the ipad all the time and then at the TV for coverage but not home mentally.... Eish and it is only day 5 today.... :patch:

Anyone have some tips for treating DDD or should I just ride it out for another 9 odd days?

boet send her to visit her mother.... we have no time for niceties now
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 07:23:07 pm
Wish we could find out more info about the back markers but it seems no-one's interested!

Ja.. sporadic info coming in but we have no idea about the drama happening out there,.... Barreda?Brett?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Grolls on January 09, 2013, 07:28:23 pm
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 07:40:11 pm
Sarel did well again in the quads
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Motties on January 09, 2013, 07:43:21 pm
Jislaaik Sarel, well done man!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2013, 07:43:59 pm
Riaan van Niekerk arriving leaving the ASS today.

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Dakar/Dakar2013/i-NVsGDrr/0/XL/Riaan%20Finishing-XL.jpg)
Photo: Ryan Illingworth
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 07:48:31 pm
Despres is lonely

He does not say, but Cyril Despres almost regret Marc Coma is not on this Dakar. With his alter ego Spanish KTM, it was an intense fight but with a certain respect.

His face is stained fatigue and anger. Sitting on the edge of his camper in the camp of Arequipa, Cyril Despres did not start to feel old but a gap between the biker of 38 years and his young rival. Designated as favorite single Package Dakar 2013 after his teammate and rival Marc Coma, the French assume only the weight of the race and regrets that other drivers regularly leave him in charge of opening the road to better counter in the last kilometers. "I may be old school but before, when a pilot was opening the track, he was given the victory, he says. Here, when the green arrow is illuminated on the GPS and someone sees the arrival of doubling it cuts both ways limit. '

Elimination race
Despres is annoyed but there is obviously no solution to encourage the best of the pack to guide the flock. "Apart Chaleco who tried, nobody starts. Some do not feel confident enough in navigation. Every time it's the same scenario. They go to five or six and then they have waited for me to do the trace." Faced with the impossibility of creating gaps in the off road tracks, Despres hopes to make a difference in the more technical parts of the rally in Argentina. "I'm not worried, he assures. I feel good physically and now I'm managing. I do not run 100% of my ability." An excellent tactical for an elimination race. But they are still likely to be in the game ...
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 07:50:20 pm
Solomoto update:

A third of the rally we already disputed and clearer list of drivers who will fight for the final victory of the Dakar Rally. It is not our Joan Barreda (Husqvarna), which today has had problems in the 72 kilometer stage, until the bike has had enough :(. It had started strong in the special and has even had an oversight that has led to a loss of about five minutes you spend Olivier Pain (Yamaha) and David Casteu (Yamaha). A few miles later started to notice and shake his Husqvarna has stopped. This has set off the alarm because today was most likely a stage to control his main rival Cyril Despres (KTM), who started from behind and sought to reduce the difference in Torreblanca. The problem has been a failure in the fuel pump of the bike of Castellon and this has led to Joan had to wait for their backpacking, Australian Matt Fish (Husqvarna), carrying a spare pump for the number one the German squad.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 07:57:56 pm
Hmm looks like Rynets beau is in @ 2h41min behind the leaders.

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 08:00:08 pm
Has Brett has gone missing again ?
False alarm. Should be due any minute now.

 
Name                       CP1                     ASS
CURTIS                     21                       21                    
VAN NIEKERK             25                        17
REEVE                      49                      33
WALDSCHMIDT          72                       54
CUMMINGS                77                        ???

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 08:01:24 pm
@RallyRaidReview
Barreda and Fish back on the move, just passed wp3
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 08:02:14 pm
And brett is also past WP 3 so I take it he must be finished the stage
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: JK on January 09, 2013, 08:07:06 pm
Jislaaik Sarel, well done man!!
Yes agree well done to Sarel. Hopefully the batteries on that Electronic ATV stays full  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 08:08:59 pm
And brett is also past WP 3 so I take it he must be finished the stage

I don't think so, but he should arrive any second now.......
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 08:13:17 pm
And brett is also past WP 3 so I take it he must be finished the stage

I don't think so, but he should arrive any second now.......

Brett's in
:blob10: :blob3: :blob5: :blob6: :blob7: :blob9:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Leo on January 09, 2013, 08:16:09 pm
Looks like he came in103'rd place. Excellent :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 08:17:30 pm
And brett is also past WP 3 so I take it he must be finished the stage

I don't think so, but he should arrive any second now.......

Brett's in
:blob10: :blob3: :blob5: :blob6: :blob7: :blob9:


At # 103

So he picked up a few places. :thumleft:

Good for him
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: JK on January 09, 2013, 08:17:43 pm
Has the overall standings been updated. Showing Curtis as 15th and Riaan as 17th
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 09, 2013, 08:18:00 pm
Looks like he came in103'rd place. Excellent :ricky:

 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 08:19:01 pm
25 minutes ago
This picture makes us more strong and eager to continue forward! do not stop us anything or anyone! (Translated by Bing)

Busin, stage 2. Eina.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 08:23:26 pm
Has the overall standings been updated. Showing Curtis as 15th and Riaan as 17th
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2013, 08:23:45 pm
Hmm looks like Rynets beau is in @ 2h41min behind the leaders.



Glad he is in  :angel8: but really sorry he lost so much time , after he had been doing so well  :'(

Don't know how the riders themselves handle the stress , I can hardly bear it as a spectator . Imagine how their wives feel.  ::)

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 09, 2013, 08:26:42 pm
Despres is lonely

He does not say, but Cyril Despres almost regret Marc Coma is not on this Dakar. With his alter ego Spanish KTM, it was an intense fight but with a certain respect.

His face is stained fatigue and anger. Sitting on the edge of his camper in the camp of Arequipa, Cyril Despres did not start to feel old but a gap between the biker of 38 years and his young rival. Designated as favorite single Package Dakar 2013 after his teammate and rival Marc Coma, the French assume only the weight of the race and regrets that other drivers regularly leave him in charge of opening the road to better counter in the last kilometers. "I may be old school but before, when a pilot was opening the track, he was given the victory, he says. Here, when the green arrow is illuminated on the GPS and someone sees the arrival of doubling it cuts both ways limit. '

Elimination race
Despres is annoyed but there is obviously no solution to encourage the best of the pack to guide the flock. "Apart Chaleco who tried, nobody starts. Some do not feel confident enough in navigation. Every time it's the same scenario. They go to five or six and then they have waited for me to do the trace." Faced with the impossibility of creating gaps in the off road tracks, Despres hopes to make a difference in the more technical parts of the rally in Argentina. "I'm not worried, he assures. I feel good physically and now I'm managing. I do not run 100% of my ability." An excellent tactical for an elimination race. But they are still likely to be in the game ...

Agree with Despres.  Bottom line is that without Coma (bar Lopes) this race is fast becoming a copy cat following the leader scenario.  He mentioned the vulture scenario last year, this time it's 1000 x worse.
Maybe time to follow the Malle Moto pilots - now to convince the TV crews and editing teams :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 08:27:21 pm
Has the overall standings been updated. Showing Curtis as 15th and Riaan as 17th

Looks like some of the guys ahead of them picked up penalties, not sure if that might be a part of it?

but on trackingdakar.nld they are 19 van Niekerk and 24 Curtis

OOPs , my bad

check up at Steved's post above

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: JK on January 09, 2013, 08:30:31 pm
hkT
Has the overall standings been updated. Showing Curtis as 15th and Riaan as 17th
Thanks SD. Whats up with DC?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 08:45:22 pm
 :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 08:45:45 pm
Despres is lonely

He does not say, but Cyril Despres almost regret Marc Coma is not on this Dakar. With his alter ego Spanish KTM, it was an intense fight but with a certain respect.

His face is stained fatigue and anger. Sitting on the edge of his camper in the camp of Arequipa, Cyril Despres did not start to feel old but a gap between the biker of 38 years and his young rival. Designated as favorite single Package Dakar 2013 after his teammate and rival Marc Coma, the French assume only the weight of the race and regrets that other drivers regularly leave him in charge of opening the road to better counter in the last kilometers. "I may be old school but before, when a pilot was opening the track, he was given the victory, he says. Here, when the green arrow is illuminated on the GPS and someone sees the arrival of doubling it cuts both ways limit. '

Elimination race
Despres is annoyed but there is obviously no solution to encourage the best of the pack to guide the flock. "Apart Chaleco who tried, nobody starts. Some do not feel confident enough in navigation. Every time it's the same scenario. They go to five or six and then they have waited for me to do the trace." Faced with the impossibility of creating gaps in the off road tracks, Despres hopes to make a difference in the more technical parts of the rally in Argentina. "I'm not worried, he assures. I feel good physically and now I'm managing. I do not run 100% of my ability." An excellent tactical for an elimination race. But they are still likely to be in the game ...

Agree with Despres.  Bottom line is that without Coma (bar Lopes) this race is fast becoming a copy cat following the leader scenario.  He mentioned the vulture scenario last year, this time it's 1000 x worse.

Maybe time to follow the Malle Moto pilots - now to convince the TV crews and editing teams :biggrin:
.

Pain didn't do a bad job navigating today IMO.

This sounds more like some journo trying to create drama more than anything else.

If anything CDP should be happy. You can't win this race without being able navigate and ride fast. If the  others can't do that then he's won already!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 08:48:21 pm
 :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 08:49:37 pm
Does anyone know if Barredas in yet. Last I saw he still wasn't listed on wpa
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 09, 2013, 08:55:47 pm
Does anyone know if Barredas in yet. Last I saw he still wasn't listed on wpa

Barreda and teammate Fish is in, about 3hrs down.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2013, 08:59:02 pm
Looks like Giniel is also doing very good.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: buzzlightyear on January 09, 2013, 08:59:44 pm
nasser 1st at finish and carlos sainz seems to have problems yet again?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 09:00:07 pm
19:20 Bikes: Pain still leads the general standings
Young French rider Olivier Pain (Yamaha) remains on top of the bike general standings on completion of the fifth stage. 1’15' behind him, David Casteu (Yamaha) also retains his place, as does Cyril Despres (KTM), 6’07' behind Pain. In fourth place, Ruben Faria (KTM) trails the leader by 13’34', two seconds ahead of Jordi Viladoms (Husqvarna), 13’36' behind and Francisco “Chaleco” Lopez (KTM), 13’39' behind, with these three riders virtually in touching distance of each other Alessandro Botturi (Husqvarna) trails Pain by 14’00' and Kuba Przygonski (KTM) as well as Stefan Svitko (KTM) are still within reach. All in all, the bike standings are very compact: there are 25 riders within an hour of the rally leader.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 09:02:09 pm
19:48 : Al-Attiyah loses ground at CP1
With 118 km completed, Nani Roma and Stéphane Peterhansel are separated by Giniel de Villiers at the front of the car special stage Nasser Al-Attiyah has now dropped to fourth place less than 60 km from the finishing line. Roma’s time on the special stage so far is 1:20’27'. De Villiers trails him by 1’40', Peterhansel by 1’42' and Al-Attiyah by 2’00'. Guerlain Chicherit, lying more than ten minutes behind Roma, is battling for fifth place with Leonid Novitskiy. A beady eye should be cast on the performances of Robby Unser and Carlos Sainz who started out much later than the leaders but who seem to be in a position to finish in the top 5.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2013, 09:02:28 pm
Fastest rookie Jeremias Israel Esquerre (CHL), Honda CRF 450 X, currently lying on 13th position, as seen through the eyes of RIAAN VAN NIEKERK:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BiG DoM on January 09, 2013, 09:04:22 pm
19:20 Bikes: Pain still leads the general standings
Young French rider Olivier Pain (Yamaha) remains on top of the bike general standings on completion of the fifth stage. 1’15' behind him, David Casteu (Yamaha) also retains his place, as does Cyril Despres (KTM), 6’07' behind Pain. In fourth place, Ruben Faria (KTM) trails the leader by 13’34', two seconds ahead of Jordi Viladoms (Husqvarna), 13’36' behind and Francisco “Chaleco” Lopez (KTM), 13’39' behind, with these three riders virtually in touching distance of each other Alessandro Botturi (Husqvarna) trails Pain by 14’00' and Kuba Przygonski (KTM) as well as Stefan Svitko (KTM) are still within reach. All in all, the bike standings are very compact: there are 25 riders within an hour of the rally leader.

Drinks on 2SD tonight  >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 09:05:10 pm
Devilliers in at third place behind Peterhansel(2nd) and Roma (1st)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bud500 on January 09, 2013, 09:06:17 pm
Giniel finish in third, 2min behind winner Roma and 4min ahead of Nasser. Stefan second.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 09:07:11 pm
19:20 Bikes: Pain still leads the general standings
Young French rider Olivier Pain (Yamaha) remains on top of the bike general standings on completion of the fifth stage. 1’15' behind him, David Casteu (Yamaha) also retains his place, as does Cyril Despres (KTM), 6’07' behind Pain. In fourth place, Ruben Faria (KTM) trails the leader by 13’34', two seconds ahead of Jordi Viladoms (Husqvarna), 13’36' behind and Francisco “Chaleco” Lopez (KTM), 13’39' behind, with these three riders virtually in touching distance of each other Alessandro Botturi (Husqvarna) trails Pain by 14’00' and Kuba Przygonski (KTM) as well as Stefan Svitko (KTM) are still within reach. All in all, the bike standings are very compact: there are 25 riders within an hour of the rally leader.

Drinks on 2SD tonight  >:D

 :lol8:  Yamaha 1 and 2 so double rounds for all  :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2013, 09:32:44 pm
19:20 Bikes: Pain still leads the general standings
Young French rider Olivier Pain (Yamaha) remains on top of the bike general standings on completion of the fifth stage. 1’15' behind him, David Casteu (Yamaha) also retains his place, as does Cyril Despres (KTM), 6’07' behind Pain. In fourth place, Ruben Faria (KTM) trails the leader by 13’34', two seconds ahead of Jordi Viladoms (Husqvarna), 13’36' behind and Francisco “Chaleco” Lopez (KTM), 13’39' behind, with these three riders virtually in touching distance of each other Alessandro Botturi (Husqvarna) trails Pain by 14’00' and Kuba Przygonski (KTM) as well as Stefan Svitko (KTM) are still within reach. All in all, the bike standings are very compact: there are 25 riders within an hour of the rally leader.

Drinks on 2SD tonight  >:D
Can't believe 2SD has not posted something yet, seems the red sun is rising as the rally goes on ......
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Arno Roux on January 09, 2013, 09:35:06 pm
Ja dit gebeur maar baie, Baie min :spitcoffee: :spitcoffee: :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2013, 09:39:18 pm
Should Yamaha win it will be 10 victories to them and 11 to KTM. But so much can happen and Cyril still looks good in third.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: buzzlightyear on January 09, 2013, 09:39:46 pm
dalk het 2sd weer n vakansie gewen
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Arno Roux on January 09, 2013, 09:41:29 pm
 :dousing:

Lyk my so
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 09, 2013, 09:46:23 pm
SUMMARY OF STAGE 5


STAGE WINNER

DAVID CASTEU(FRA) YAMAHA

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/RIDERS/file.jpg)


OVERALL LEADER

OLIVIER PAIN(FRA) YAMAHA

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/RIDERS/file-1.jpg)


WORST LUCK

JOAN BRREDA BORT

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/RIDERS/file-2.jpg)

SEXIEST RIDER

LAIA SANZ   :love4:

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/Dakar%202013/file-31.jpg)


SAFFERS

ALL IN AND ACOUNTED FOR  :thumleft:

WELL DONE BOYS   :blob3: :blob5: :blob6: :blob7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 09, 2013, 10:01:20 pm
Laia's got big boots to fill - Annie Seel

(http://packmule.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/RR-Feature/i-CzZdjMV/0/M/Dakar2007_beach_AnnieSeel-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2013, 10:03:20 pm
WTF Nou wys hulle weer gister se stage op SS
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Takashi on January 09, 2013, 10:04:22 pm
WTF Nou wys hulle weer gister se stage op SS

Die uitsending van Stage 5 sal 22h30 wees.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Grrrr.... on January 09, 2013, 10:32:24 pm
Getting lekker pissed on that Jack Honey stuff so clearly PUI...

Superhumans these guys doing the Dakar. Superhuman....

Batman and Superman se hand bruin ballas. These okes are Superhuman, the lot of them.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 10, 2013, 02:02:18 am
Getting lekker pissed on that Jack Honey stuff so clearly PUI...

Superhumans these guys doing the Dakar. Superhuman....

Batman and Superman se hand bruin ballas. These okes are Superhuman, the lot of them.

 :imaposer:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Aquatic on January 10, 2013, 05:39:31 am
Crash Gordon's crash!!

http://vimeo.com/57103964
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: White Rhino on January 10, 2013, 05:54:59 am
Crash Gordon's crash!!

http://vimeo.com/57103964
Gordon was complaining that the fall off wasn't marked. For those in the know, do they mark that level of detail on the dunes?

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Breekbeen on January 10, 2013, 06:48:01 am
Darryl .
Not a great day today, I ploughed into the fesh fesh again, it's like a magnet! My stand spring broke and after a futile attempt to fix it with ca Le ties it soon snapped off anyway. We lose 2 hours sleep tnite with the time zone shift! Tmorrow will be tough !
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2013, 07:04:35 am
Darryl .
Not a great day today, I ploughed into the fesh fesh again, it's like a magnet! My stand spring broke and after a futile attempt to fix it with ca Le ties it soon snapped off anyway. We lose 2 hours sleep tnite with the time zone shift! Tmorrow will be tough !


fooking side stand issues even on the Dakar!!  ::)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: MrBig on January 10, 2013, 07:04:49 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/-GAI7F2rM4g
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: MrBig on January 10, 2013, 07:06:07 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/uzEo0Jzmn8Q
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 10, 2013, 07:20:58 am
Cyril in his own words (as opposed to the dramatic version further above):

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There was a really steep downhill section on the dunes today lasting for about 4km that was an impressive section to race. The technique for that was to try my best to stay on my bike and not to flip over the handlebars. The sand was soft so I reduced my speed to about 15km/h to make sure there were no accidents.

The way the race is going so far I’m sure the guys who are winning the stages are surprised by their results. During the stage nobody has any idea of the kind of times the other bikers have so they seem to just be going as fast as they can.

The way some of the guys have been riding in these early stages is not so easy to understand. They are pushing so hard and forcing the engine on day four of the race just to try and have one good stage. Dakar is long and I have always found it better to save something for the very end.

I have been avoiding the dust so far in this race so I think that my engine must be in a better condition than the other guys who are rushing on each stage. The reason I can avoid the dust is because I’m usually in front and opening the track. This is good for my air filters and engine.

I don’t push too much because when you increase the speed the navigation becomes a lot more difficult. Also it protects my engine so I guess my mechanic will be happy again tonight.

The only problems I’ve been having out on the stage are the other bikes riding so close to me. The desert is huge but the others like to stay very close to me. Maybe they think a magician will come and teleport me to the end of the stage but that’s not my secret. The truth is I’m just trying to be as sensible as I can with my riding to protect my bike and my chances of winning this race.

So he's not lonely and depressed  :biggrin:, he's just riding a sensible race!



Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2013, 07:40:50 am
[quote .[/quote]

So he's not lonely and depressed  :biggrin:, he's just riding a sensible race!

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Yes and being the typical croaking Frog ... clearly not happy that there is young blood on his tail!
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Post by: tau on January 10, 2013, 07:53:15 am
Remeber Castue has been a team mate to Cyril in the past and had a good chance at winning stages in 2006 I think when team orders kept him back then 3 years on the bombing Sherco(Mr. West what were you thinking!!!!!!!) and he has finished 2nd in a Dakar 2007 overall so don't think this is a flash in the pan.

Pain and Barreda is probably the fsatest 2 riders in the field, unfortunately both seem to forget it is a 14 day race......( I like Pain very much, but he needs to keep calm.) He also did his first Dakar at 25 or something so very experienced at navigation for his age.

Cyril just needs to keep calm and finish top 5 everyday he will end up winning without needing to win a stage. Chaleco claiming he tried to navigate but failed?????? Shows you how fast Cyril can ride + navigate.

Ullevas + Duclois is dark harses with plenty of Navigation experience watch them move up in the field.
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Post by: alanB on January 10, 2013, 07:55:18 am
Another superb clip from the France4 coverage from yesterday (some very kind mod helped me embed the video yesterday, hopefully they will do the same today - need to learn how to do that)

http://www.youtube.com/v/VbI-AnV9tzA&

That fesh-fesh is bloody nasty!

And as the guys remarked on ADV, Barreta seems to have no idea how to work on his bike, just stands next to it and waits for help?!  I suppose he's used to having the pits crew take care of everything.  Although maybe he couldn't risk losing his fuel by fiddling without the the other pump being available so it was better to do nothing and wait?

Great video in any event  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: oo7 on January 10, 2013, 07:58:55 am
Laia's got big boots to fill - Annie Seel

(http://packmule.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/RR-Feature/i-CzZdjMV/0/M/Dakar2007_beach_AnnieSeel-M.jpg)


Are you sure that's booTs?

 ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2013, 08:07:38 am
Another superb clip from the France4 coverage from yesterday (some very kind mod helped me embed the video yesterday, hopefully they will do the same today - need to learn how to do that)

&feature=youtu.be

Great video in any event  :thumleft:

Yeah great vid. Pity Rynets toyboy beau cannot swing a spanner  ::)  With all the fuel pump problems around one would expect that a spare would be in the backpack and the knowledge to change it out  :eek7:  Was also thinking why they do not fit a spare that can be swopped over quickly?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: blazes on January 10, 2013, 08:09:23 am
[quote .

So he's not lonely and depressed  :biggrin:, he's just riding a sensible race!

[/quote]

Yes and being the typical croaking Frog ... clearly not happy that there is young blood on his tail!
[/quote]

Missing his MEISIE she not riding with him --
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: tau on January 10, 2013, 08:11:24 am
Another superb clip from the France4 coverage from yesterday (some very kind mod helped me embed the video yesterday, hopefully they will do the same today - need to learn how to do that)

&feature=youtu.be

Great video in any event  :thumleft:

Yeah great vid. Pity Rynets toyboy beau cannot swing a spanner  ::)  With all the fuel pump problems around one would expect that a spare would be in the backpack and the knowledge to change it out  :eek7:  Was also thinking why they do not fit a spare that can be swopped over quickly?

That BMqVarna has the feulpump in the tank I suppose?????

I am no Barreda fan. Watch him ride jumping dunes wildly I think he is a waste of good Team space.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 10, 2013, 08:22:17 am

One can speculate about the  different strategies.  :P

CDP is the obvious favourite by a long shot and all he needs to do is stay near the front and bide his time, making sure he doesnt take any unnecessary risks.

But the other guys need to attack him as much as they can if they want to stand a chance of winning, so to me Barreda's approach made sense - there's no use in trying to take it too easy and bide your time because that way Cyril will almost certainly win through experience because he probably will be the most consistent. 

If you dont have CDP's experience and consistency and ability to set blistering pace while navigating, then you need to try and take big chunks of time from him when ever you get the chance - be that at the beginning of the race or the end.  And that requires risks and then just hope you dont bomb out before the end. 

Plus Barreda had a 15min penalty to work off.  So he had to charge. If he had managed two or so more stages of big time advantages he would have been able to dial back the pace a bit and try and just defend the lead.  (But its all sadly academic now for him at least  :'()

I can also understand the others sticking to CDP like glue, as much as it may irritate him.  But I dont think they will beat him that way - may be a good approach to get on the podium though..

EDIT Although watching the video, you could see Barreda was battling with navigation - that alone probably meant he would not have had any chance at winning!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2013, 08:25:08 am


Yeah great vid. Pity Rynets toyboy beau cannot swing a spanner  ::)  With all the fuel pump problems around one would expect that a spare would be in the backpack and the knowledge to change it out  :eek7:  Was also thinking why they do not fit a spare that can be swopped over quickly?
[/quote]

That BMqVarna has the feulpump in the tank I suppose?????

I am no Barreda fan. Watch him ride jumping dunes wildly I think he is a waste of good Team space.
[/quote]

One would hope not in the tank - would be stooopid IMHO. Just fit an extra external one alongside (can even be plumbed in already) - yes takes a bit of extra room and neglible weight that may save the day or indeed race!  
Careful slagging Barreda off your Rynet shares will drop.  >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: tau on January 10, 2013, 08:41:08 am



EDIT Although watching the video, you could see Barreda was battling with navigation - that alone probably meant he would not have had any chance at winning!


Exactly. If you cannot navigate properly you don't deserve to win Dakar.

Watch him stop and look down, charge, stop look down, charge.



 
Careful slagging Barreda off your Rynet shares will drop.  >:D

 :imaposer:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:

Sorry Rynet. Hy mors Dakar team space amper soos die Portugees Gonvalves wat elkejaat homslef moertoe val agv. lack of restraint.

Ek dink Riaan gaan nog baie goeddoen hy het een van die koelste koppe op 'n bike.
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Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2013, 08:41:40 am
Watch him ride jumping dunes wildly I think he is a waste of good Team space.

Now that is the pot calling the kettle black, wildchild Tau !
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2013, 08:44:16 am
From GHR Honda:

Stage 05: Done and very much dusted

Stony hills, riverbed crossings, fesh fesh, broken tracks, and off piste sections littered with boulders conspired together with the ever present challenge of navigation in a punishing 136km leg to Arica. Even the leaders were taken aback by the difficulty of the seemingly short stage in which passing was both onerous and perilous.

Comments from Todd Smith:
“Stage 5 was a tough one, thank God its done! I didn’t have much energy as a result of yesterday but went ok. I stopped along the way to help (fellow Australian) Troy O’Connor. I gave him a spanner then a heap of quads got back past me. It was tight running in bull dust for ages after. I lost time at the end because they changed the road book for the last 10km and I went back to check it out. The stage itself started with knee deep fesh fesh  :o (bulldust) then 11km off piste rock field (with no defined road), and more fesh fesh. I was constantly passing riders. To top off the exhaustion we lose 2 hours tonight with the change of time zones!”

Glenn Hoffmann: “After Stage 4, Todd and Brett were pretty drained but they both soldiered through Stage 5 and that’s what matters. Everyone riding for the team is up to it. The mechanics are up to it. We keep going. Obviously Todd’s troubles are frustrating because they came just as he was coming to grips with the sand and the navigation. But the team are doing what they do best. It’s a long race. The bikes are fast and the boys are uninjured. Warren (Strange) is in the top 30 and riding really well. He’s always had the ability but this year he’s incredibly focused on the end result. Each of the last three days has brought an improvement in the standings for him. Same thing for Paul Smith who is very strong in the rough terrain. He’s still looking to sneak into the top 10 quads. The longer and tougher the stage, the better he does on the 700XX. The next couple of days are expected to be long, brutal shifts for everyone but that’s why we’re here.”

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: tau on January 10, 2013, 08:45:31 am
Oh and the reason I wanted to do Dakar Mr. Kamal RIP I miss him this year  :'( :'(

Watch him ride jumping dunes wildly I think he is a waste of good Team space.

Now that is the pot calling the kettle black, wildchild Tau !

 :imaposer:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:

I am not saying the speed is wrong, but watch Rodriques and Cyril ride dunes they bike is always moving and the slide up the dune and down if that makes sense. The best rider in the world will crash after a 10 m blind dune ala mr Verhoeven on stage 2.

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2013, 08:53:16 am
Hey guys  :patch:  Barreda did not crash , he had a fuel pump problem and that is not his fault .  And he made a small navigation error that only lost him a couple of km's . What good would a spanner do if he did't have a fuel pump to fit ?

He is a brilliant rider , ok he was not pacing himself like Cyril , but still , no one paces themselves like Cyril . :biggrin:  :biggrin:

I'm learning French so I can understand more what the frigging announcers say 

Barreda is still my hero . :drunken_smilie: :drunken_smilie:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 10, 2013, 09:00:33 am
Hey guys  :patch:  Barreda did not crash , he had a fuel pump problem and that is not his fault .  And he made a small navigation error that only lost him a couple of km's . What good would a spanner do if he did't have a fuel pump to fit ?

He is a brilliant rider , ok he was not pacing himself like Cyril , but still , no one paces themselves like Cyril . :biggrin:  :biggrin:

I'm learning French so I can understand more what the frigging announcers say 

Barreda is still my hero . :drunken_smilie: :drunken_smilie:

For once I agree with Rynet  :biggrin: (although I dont have quite the same FEELINGS for Barreda  :biggrin:)

Say what you like, CDP couldnt have been very happy seeing Barreda put 12 minutes on the whole field over a a very tough stage while winding his road book by hand, without too much drama and effort!

He definitely is someone to watch in the future and I think he very definitely deserves his space in the team! 

I hope we see some more spectacular riding from him before the end of this race!  :thumleft:

EDIT:  I suspect CPD may be sending a letter of deep gratitude and appreciation to the Husky fuel pump suppliers :biggrin:

Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2013, 09:02:37 am
Rynet - You learning French so you can hear what Barreda is saying!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2013, 09:07:51 am
I agree with Tau. Barreda is riding the way that Johnny Halberstadt ran Comrades - incredibly talented athlete, incredibly fast, but he could not last the distance. Mr Despres is riding the way that Bruce Fordyce ran - incredibly talented, there and thereabouts in the first 2/3 of the race, and pretty much always in front at the finish.
I don't see him being beaten (but I hope I'm wrong  :biggrin:)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2013, 09:08:49 am
Yes I must ask Barreda to speak French to me . I can speak a little Spanish  :biggrin:

But his fact sheet is also impressive, and he is still young  :
 From last year's Dakar:

In just one Dakar he has become the rising star in rally-raid. Joan Barreda made headlines on the 2012 edition, finishing 11th overall. But this young rider from Catalonia lost his chance to finish even higher up the leader board when he suffered mechanical problems on stage3. But in the second half of the rally he was able to keep on pace with the two leaders and even managed to win stage 10. With this momentum, Joan Barreda went on to put in a stellar 2012 season, winning the Egypt Rally and finishing runner-up in Morocco and Abu Dhabi. As a member of a team that is looking to win the Dakar in the not so distant future, Barreda knows he has everything he needs to prepare. He adds that in this professional context it is made easier thanks to his friendship with Nani Roma, who this year has become his special advisor. He often trains with the first-ever Spaniard to have won the Dakar on a motorcycle at the High Performance Sports Centre in Barcelona. Still in need of experience, by his own admission, Barreda is among the riders to keep a very close eye on.

“It all went away on day 3. A rupture in the rear wheel cost me too much time; nearly three hours. I could not get anything. All the same, I rode a lot with Coma and Despres and also learned a lot in finishing all the other stages just a few minutes behind them. I have a lot of support in the team and I have everything to improve further. I still lack what is needed to ride at the head of the race and manage racing situations, although I am good when it comes to navigation. I have worked a lot this year and made the most of advice from Nani Roma, who has joined my personal team.”
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2013, 09:11:44 am

Yes I must ask Barreda to speak French to me . I can speak a little Spanish  :biggrin:


Yes I know you love it when they speak "foreign" to you  :biggrin:
Rynet stick with the body language - you already fluent.  8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: MrBig on January 10, 2013, 09:12:49 am
Hey guys  :patch:  Barreda did not crash , he had a fuel pump problem and that is not his fault .  And he made a small navigation error that only lost him a couple of km's . What good would a spanner do if he did't have a fuel pump to fit ?

He is a brilliant rider , ok he was not pacing himself like Cyril , but still , no one paces themselves like Cyril . :biggrin:  :biggrin:

I'm learning French so I can understand more what the frigging announcers say 

Barreda is still my hero . :drunken_smilie: :drunken_smilie:

Switch on the Auto Captioning for the French Youtube videos and you'll laugh yourself silly  ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Motties on January 10, 2013, 09:18:32 am
I agree with Tau. Barreda is riding the way that Johnny Halberstadt ran Comrades - incredibly talented athlete, incredibly fast, but he could not last the distance. Mr Despres is riding the way that Bruce Fordyce ran - incredibly talented, there and thereabouts in the first 2/3 of the race, and pretty much always in front at the finish.
I don't see him being beaten (but I hope I'm wrong  :biggrin:)
I am neither a Barreda nor Despres fan. But I hear what Despres is saying, and agree with that. It is unfortunately the nature of the beast, I reckon he must save himself and the bike and leave himself 5 minutes to make up on the last day. If everyone is going to wait for him to navigate and ride with him, he automatically wins.

Barreda is OK maar lyk of hy homself gaan afskryf, IMHO.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2013, 09:24:04 am
Darryl's Phone2Blog from last night up on http://www.darrylcurtis.co.za

First rider off at 13h45?
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2013, 09:32:20 am
From www.simonpavey.com:

Stage Five – Arequipa to Arica – 410km

The technical stage five provides a good result as the Delta Kunststoffe Husqvarna UK rider fights to put the previous stage behind him.

On paper the short stage five should have been one of the easier stages, but the technical riding, fesh fesh and rocks reveal it to be the toughest stage yet. Once again the stage claimed its victims as the bikes had their first ‘bike only’ stage of the rally.
Starting the stage behind 125 bikes and 30 quads, Simon pushed hard all day in the physical and dangerous riding to regain his position in the starting order. With technical nature of the riding requiring good line choice and careful navigation in the dust of the Fesh Fesh, Simon quickly found himself at home as he began to pass rider after rider.
Despite the stage being only 136km Simon’s clever and aggressive riding saw him pass around 50 vehicles and take an impressive 64th overall. Following the stage the riders headed south across the Chilean border on the spectacular Pan Americana.

Simon Pavey  “Wow today was hard! The stage was physical and technical. It was brutal really. Starting at the back of the field makes life so hard; the course is so bad by the time you get there the track is destroyed. The stage was dangerous today too. The fesh fesh was deep, littered with rocks and generally difficult to ride. We crossed a rock field that was 14km long and another gulley that had foot deep fesh fesh ruts.
I tried to ride smart today, even though I pushed on, I stayed out of the fesh fesh completely. Sometimes it cost me time but I’m not going to take the risk of pushing hard when I can’t see. There were so many boulders in the fesh fesh and it’s scary. Overall it was great fun though, the best riding is always technical and I had a really good day. It’s good to get back up the pack again as quickly as I have. The track really is much harder to ride at the back of the race.
It looks like the stage tomorrow will be difficult again. We have a really early start and a long stage ahead. Coupled with that loss of two hours sleep tonight, tomorrow is going to be really tiring.”

The caravan heads south from Arica to Calama tomorrow, with a painfully long stage of 769km for the competitors to enjoy.  The stage is meant to be another difficult event, with even more of the dreaded fesh fesh.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2013, 09:40:33 am
Some more insight from Neduro:

"The pics that I saw from today's stage seemed very familiar, not saying we were there, but it sure looked like what I remember. Assuming that's the case, there is some absolute dogshit  :tard: riding coming along to compliment today's serving of it. What is coming is not necessarily particularly challenging technically, but it's also not technically pleasurable.

For miles, the roads are covered in silt, sometimes shallow, sometimes deeper. The silt is totally without form, it just covers what is beneath and obscures it from view. Unlike sand, it doesn't seem to have any density, it just melts around your tire. :patch:
In Baja, what lies beneath is typically ruts, but not here. In Chile, it is rocks, and you are riding along just waiting for the hidden rock to kick you. Imagine riding across a dirt parking lot that has baseball -> watermelon sized rocks strewn about, and you have a blindfold on. You wind up just bracing yourself for the next impact, unsure when it will come, and hoping that the interval from one unexpected hit to the next is long enough to get the bike collected. The reality of the hits is generally not as bad as the anticipation of them, if that makes sense.
 
I started calling Chile "the land of hidden surprises", that isn't meant as a compliment"
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2013, 09:46:26 am
Barreda's dream ends

He had everything planned to the fifth stage. Then came new plans and goals. Everything seemed to go smoothly: nailed his goals being the tenth ranked in the first stage: short, a snack, went out among the former, but not in the lead, the second day and that allowed him to quickly close the gap and win the stage, the same made on the fourth day, but the day before had been something more to break the spokes of the wheel and went further back than expected, but he continued to surprise, daring, fast. In the fifth stage, the more enduro, the more technical, which is said goodbye to the dunes momentarily and welcomed miss roads and land harder, all plans were ruined.

Barreda fuel pump broke his at kilometer 40 of a special 136, a short timed, which speaks volumes about the difficulty of the terrain. The Spanish, one of the biggest names in the beginning of this rally, reached the last checkpoint three hours after the first, David Casteu, and just behind teammate Matt Fish, who gave him a hand to complete the stage. So Barreda, winner of two stages, says goodbye to his title options. Frenchman Olivier Pain Yamaha leads the overall thanks to his consistency and challenge his compatriot Cyril Despres, third place and the favorite.

"I could not move forward, towards the end we suffered a lot. Fish had a fuel pump, but would not have solved anything" recounted the Barreda, who believes that the problem derives from Wednesday when he suffered the accident two days earlier. "By going with broken spokes and wheel side by side I think it broke the tank" he said, his face still dirty, full of dust, exhausted after more than five hours of a terrible job. They had to push his bike for almost 100 miles and another 275 special liaison to the bivouac: "We were taking turns, dragging as we could, we have fallen several times and have come out a little from the path to find an easier way without forgetting go through all the obligatory passage points" he recalled.

Throughout the year I have not had any mechanical problems and now I have been the only in the team with problems
And hurt by the missed opportunity: "Now the race is already lost. And you have to learn and analyze what happened. We are still in an upward, both the team and myself. The pity is that in all the years I've had no mechanical problems and now I have been the only in team with problems. I've had bad luck." Confess it will cost to ride the bike on Thursday: "Now you remember the work done throughout the year and you realize that everything is going to hell in a moment. But had a hard time getting here, so you have to follow." From now on, he says, is to get to Santiago and take advantage of what is to gain experience and help fellow Botturi Gonçalves and to get into the top 5. "And if I can pull, open track someday and take risks in terms of navigation, I will take"


Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2013, 10:04:43 am
Still not clear what Barreda's problem was - not sure if it is the bad translation or his possible lack of technical insight ... fuel pump replacement did not help? Broken spokes from previous stage broke tank? WTF? Would be interesting to know what the failure actually was and reason.
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 10, 2013, 10:05:28 am
Cyril in his own words (as opposed to the dramatic version further above):

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There was a really steep downhill section on the dunes today lasting for about 4km that was an impressive section to race. The technique for that was to try my best to stay on my bike and not to flip over the handlebars. The sand was soft so I reduced my speed to about 15km/h to make sure there were no accidents.

The way the race is going so far I’m sure the guys who are winning the stages are surprised by their results. During the stage nobody has any idea of the kind of times the other bikers have so they seem to just be going as fast as they can.

The way some of the guys have been riding in these early stages is not so easy to understand. They are pushing so hard and forcing the engine on day four of the race just to try and have one good stage. Dakar is long and I have always found it better to save something for the very end.

I have been avoiding the dust so far in this race so I think that my engine must be in a better condition than the other guys who are rushing on each stage. The reason I can avoid the dust is because I’m usually in front and opening the track. This is good for my air filters and engine.

I don’t push too much because when you increase the speed the navigation becomes a lot more difficult. Also it protects my engine so I guess my mechanic will be happy again tonight.

The only problems I’ve been having out on the stage are the other bikes riding so close to me. The desert is huge but the others like to stay very close to me. Maybe they think a magician will come and teleport me to the end of the stage but that’s not my secret. The truth is I’m just trying to be as sensible as I can with my riding to protect my bike and my chances of winning this race.

So he's not lonely and depressed  :biggrin:, he's just riding a sensible race!





i dunno ..when u see him on tv and check those eyes i just see killer ..the 100 yard stare cvoupled with those killer eyes ...he reminds me of my lt in the army circa 76
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Koet on January 10, 2013, 10:06:15 am
Noob question (first time really following the Dakar closely):  Do these guys ride with steering dampers?  Some if those technical sections at speed make me remember my tank slap escapade!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: bmad on January 10, 2013, 10:10:47 am
Cyril in his own words (as opposed to the dramatic version further above):

Quote
There was a really steep downhill section on the dunes today lasting for about 4km that was an impressive section to race. The technique for that was to try my best to stay on my bike and not to flip over the handlebars. The sand was soft so I reduced my speed to about 15km/h to make sure there were no accidents.

The way the race is going so far I’m sure the guys who are winning the stages are surprised by their results. During the stage nobody has any idea of the kind of times the other bikers have so they seem to just be going as fast as they can.

The way some of the guys have been riding in these early stages is not so easy to understand. They are pushing so hard and forcing the engine on day four of the race just to try and have one good stage. Dakar is long and I have always found it better to save something for the very end.

I have been avoiding the dust so far in this race so I think that my engine must be in a better condition than the other guys who are rushing on each stage. The reason I can avoid the dust is because I’m usually in front and opening the track. This is good for my air filters and engine.

I don’t push too much because when you increase the speed the navigation becomes a lot more difficult. Also it protects my engine so I guess my mechanic will be happy again tonight.

The only problems I’ve been having out on the stage are the other bikes riding so close to me. The desert is huge but the others like to stay very close to me. Maybe they think a magician will come and teleport me to the end of the stage but that’s not my secret. The truth is I’m just trying to be as sensible as I can with my riding to protect my bike and my chances of winning this race.

So he's not lonely and depressed  :biggrin:, he's just riding a sensible race!





i dunno ..when u see him on tv and check those eyes i just see killer ..the 100 yard stare cvoupled with those killer eyes ...he reminds me of my lt in the army circa 76

Maybe he is the real Dexter...  :patch:
Eliminates anyone that wants to beat him.

Strangely enough i am actually starting to like the guy - totally disliked him in last years event!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 10, 2013, 10:16:43 am
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Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 10, 2013, 10:18:24 am
Barreda's dream ends

He had everything planned to the fifth stage. Then came new plans and goals. Everything seemed to go smoothly: nailed his goals being the tenth ranked in the first stage: short, a snack, went out among the former, but not in the lead, the second day and that allowed him to quickly close the gap and win the stage, the same made on the fourth day, but the day before had been something more to break the spokes of the wheel and went further back than expected, but he continued to surprise, daring, fast. In the fifth stage, the more enduro, the more technical, which is said goodbye to the dunes momentarily and welcomed miss roads and land harder, all plans were ruined.

Barreda fuel pump broke his at kilometer 40 of a special 136, a short timed, which speaks volumes about the difficulty of the terrain. The Spanish, one of the biggest names in the beginning of this rally, reached the last checkpoint three hours after the first, David Casteu, and just behind teammate Matt Fish, who gave him a hand to complete the stage. So Barreda, winner of two stages, says goodbye to his title options. Frenchman Olivier Pain Yamaha leads the overall thanks to his consistency and challenge his compatriot Cyril Despres, third place and the favorite.

"I could not move forward, towards the end we suffered a lot. Fish had a fuel pump, but would not have solved anything" recounted the Barreda, who believes that the problem derives from Wednesday when he suffered the accident two days earlier. "By going with broken spokes and wheel side by side I think it broke the tank" he said, his face still dirty, full of dust, exhausted after more than five hours of a terrible job. They had to push his bike for almost 100 miles and another 275 special liaison to the bivouac: "We were taking turns, dragging as we could, we have fallen several times and have come out a little from the path to find an easier way without forgetting go through all the obligatory passage points" he recalled.

Throughout the year I have not had any mechanical problems and now I have been the only in the team with problems
And hurt by the missed opportunity: "Now the race is already lost. And you have to learn and analyze what happened. We are still in an upward, both the team and myself. The pity is that in all the years I've had no mechanical problems and now I have been the only in team with problems. I've had bad luck." Confess it will cost to ride the bike on Thursday: "Now you remember the work done throughout the year and you realize that everything is going to hell in a moment. But had a hard time getting here, so you have to follow." From now on, he says, is to get to Santiago and take advantage of what is to gain experience and help fellow Botturi Gonçalves and to get into the top 5. "And if I can pull, open track someday and take risks in terms of navigation, I will take"



I really thought he had the whole package this Year! Sorry to see this!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 10, 2013, 10:19:15 am
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"I could not move forward, towards the end we suffered a lot. Fish had a fuel pump, but would not have solved anything" recounted the Barreda, who believes that the problem derives from Wednesday when he suffered the accident two days earlier. "By going with broken spokes and wheel side by side I think it broke the tank"

So it looks like it wasnt the fuel pump at all, but some fault/blockage in the tank cause by the broken wheel incident.

Hmmm...

Some would say then it is his fault then for riding too hard to break a wheel - but we don't know what lead up to him breaking the wheel - its a hard race its easy to have a mishap even if you aren't pushing hard. 

But the positive is that the other Husky's shouldnt have his problem as well  :thumleft:

EDIT:  But I'm surprised they didnt swap out the tank etc during the night and that some residual of the previous days crash would stop them?  Also when I saw his broken wheel - when we rode MX in the 80's everyone used to use cable ties around the point where the spokes crossed so that if you did brake a spoke it would stay in place and not flop about damaging stuff as the wheel turned.  Not sure if that would have helped given the extent of the damage, but it may have helped a bit - maybe enough to stop that extra bit of damage that was crucial? 

You can speculate endlessly I suppose!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: tau on January 10, 2013, 10:19:56 am
Hating Cyril is like hating the perfection. He has finished 10 out of 12 Dakars whilst chasing a win!!!!!!!!

 2012 :  Bike  |  1st | 3 stage victories
2011 :  Bike  |  2th | 3 stage victories
2010 :  Bike  |  1st | 3 stage victories
2009 :  Bike  |  2th | 4 stage victories
2007 :  Bike  |  1st | 2 stage victories
2006 :  Bike  |  2th | 4 stage victories
2005 :  Bike  |  1st | 2 stage victories
2004 :  Bike  |  3th | 4 stage victories
2002 :  Bike  |  withdrawal 7
2001 :  Bike  |  13th | 1 stage victory
2000 :  Bike  |  16th

He is after Peterhansel the 2nd best rider ever looking at his records.

Remember even Coma has crashed out twice due to pushing the limits.

I am no Cyril fan, but he is the man to beat and try and learn from.

I hope Castue or  Pain wins  >:D

Helder went to Honda the skelm otherwise I would have rooted for him. Unfortunarely the Honda won't bring him a Top 3
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 10, 2013, 10:20:15 am
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Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 10, 2013, 10:21:30 am
Noob question (first time really following the Dakar closely):  Do these guys ride with steering dampers?  Some if those technical sections at speed make me remember my tank slap escapade!
Almost every one rides with steering dampners. With the Weight of the GPS on the Bars it could give you a good head shake if you didnt have!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Koet on January 10, 2013, 10:22:28 am
Noob question (first time really following the Dakar closely):  Do these guys ride with steering dampers?  Some if those technical sections at speed make me remember my tank slap escapade!
Almost every one rides with steering dampners. With the Weight of the GPS on the Bars it could give you a good head shake if you didnt have!

Thanx, thought so!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Kenisis on January 10, 2013, 10:23:29 am
Laia's got big boots to fill - Annie Seel

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Are you sure that's booTs?

 ;D
I like Blonde Boots Too!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 10, 2013, 10:25:58 am
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Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2013, 10:31:38 am
 :'( :'( :'( Must be the the tough terrain and bad luck .  . Barreda must be gutted .  :'( :'(  :'(

Some more photos:
1. Cyril
2. Helder Rodriquez
3. Lopez
4. Dakar Dunes
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 10, 2013, 10:37:06 am
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Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2013, 10:38:31 am
Olivier Pain  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: MrBig on January 10, 2013, 10:42:11 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/oZfMKVBFTkQ
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: MrBig on January 10, 2013, 10:43:34 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/KfS8Xi0qY-8
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 10, 2013, 10:44:18 am
Hating Cyril is like hating the perfection. He has finished 10 out of 12 Dakars whilst chasing a win!!!!!!!!

 2012 :  Bike  |  1st | 3 stage victories
2011 :  Bike  |  2th | 3 stage victories
2010 :  Bike  |  1st | 3 stage victories
2009 :  Bike  |  2th | 4 stage victories
2007 :  Bike  |  1st | 2 stage victories
2006 :  Bike  |  2th | 4 stage victories
2005 :  Bike  |  1st | 2 stage victories
2004 :  Bike  |  3th | 4 stage victories
2002 :  Bike  |  withdrawal 7
2001 :  Bike  |  13th | 1 stage victory
2000 :  Bike  |  16th

He is after Peterhansel the 2nd best rider ever looking at his records.

Remember even Coma has crashed out twice due to pushing the limits.

I am no Cyril fan, but he is the man to beat and try and learn from.



Ja he is the man to beat - there's no doubt!

The guys on ADV rider were saying that they cant remember him losing time from having a crash or being stopped by a fault - which is pretty amazing  :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: MrBig on January 10, 2013, 10:47:32 am
Johnny Campbell on Stage 5:
"It was really fun. I enjoyed it a lot"

Gotta love the guy  ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alanB on January 10, 2013, 10:57:45 am
More from CDP:

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"Today was a good lesson in rally raid. You look at the road book and you think, "only 136 km," it will soon pass. But in a section of fesh fesh my front wheel got stuck, I went over the handlebars and the bike landed on my leg. Fortunately, my knee Orthema has absorbed all the shock if I'm a broken leg without fail. I always knew that it was the Rolls Royce of the knee protectors, but now they have really proven themselves. This shows that rally anything can happen and it is better to be prepared.
*
Tomorrow we have the first stage of the rally very long (455 km), we entered an area in Chile where I like to roll and I'll start tomorrow in 5th position. All this makes it the perfect opportunity to push a little. So if I feel good on the bike tomorrow morning that's exactly what I'll do. And if, for some unexplained reason, I do not feel particularly good on the bike I can wait another day. There are still many opportunities in this rally! '

Shows he battles with fesh-fesh just like the rest - so he's not superhuman.

But very professional getting a plug in for his equipment suppliers  :thumleft:

Glad he got through OK without injury!

Sounds like he intend winding up the pace a bit soon - hope the others dont just get left behind and it becomes a one horse race!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: madmax on January 10, 2013, 11:00:32 am
More from CDP:

Quote
"Today was a good lesson in rally raid. You look at the road book and you think, "only 136 km," it will soon pass. But in a section of fesh fesh my front wheel got stuck, I went over the handlebars and the bike landed on my leg. Fortunately, my knee Orthema has absorbed all the shock if I'm a broken leg without fail. I always knew that it was the Rolls Royce of the knee protectors, but now they have really proven themselves. This shows that rally anything can happen and it is better to be prepared.
*
Tomorrow we have the first stage of the rally very long (455 km), we entered an area in Chile where I like to roll and I'll start tomorrow in 5th position. All this makes it the perfect opportunity to push a little. So if I feel good on the bike tomorrow morning that's exactly what I'll do. And if, for some unexplained reason, I do not feel particularly good on the bike I can wait another day. There are still many opportunities in this rally! '

Shows he battles with fesh-fesh just like the rest - so he's not superhuman.

But very professional getting a plug in for his equipment suppliers  :thumleft:

Glad he got through OK without injury!

Sounds like he intend winding up the pace a bit soon - hope the others dont just get left behind and it becomes a one horse race!

i think many wanting to start pushing tofday..heard onse derryl on radio this am tuning same thing..ie him n riaan will try push it today
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2013, 11:20:19 am
Via Twitter:

#89BrettCummings - Nav error between last WP & Finish (he didn't get corrections due 2 his late arrival the day b4) cost him 30min!
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: alli on January 10, 2013, 11:37:49 am
GINIEL DE VILLIERS

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Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2013, 11:39:17 am
Today's stage:

Start of the special @ 13:45 South African time
WP1 @ 38km
WP2 @ 64km
WP3&4 are a mess, and almost the same as the CP's
CP1 @ 116km
CP2 @ 132km
WP5 @ 164km
WP6 @ 229km, start of neutralisation
WP7 @ 326km, end of neutralisation
CP3 @ 438km
Finish @ 454km
Title: Re: Dakar 2013 (F5, F5, F5......)
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2013, 11:43:43 am
(Extracted from) update from Ingo's wife:

If you can remember .. Ingo finished Tuesday race stage @ 18h20 ( our time) and only phoned home 6 hours later...when he got into the biviac.
We all sigh a breath of relief once we see he is at the finish for the day.. forgetting, that he still has hours in the saddle before he can get off the bike and say he is actually finished for the day.
It’s one of Ingo’s “Dakar don’t likes” - the long ( speed limited) connection stages.

He phoned in just after 23h00- sounding chirpy and happy- saying it was a short but very tough stage.
He says the fesh fesh in the beginning was horrible- with the extra soft sand, knee deep. If his bike “dug in” to it, the whole wheel was under sand. “man it was hard” he kept saying.
The navigation was very tricky today.. trying to “catch the guys out” where ever they could. He says he lost a bit of time by taking on a mnt from the wrong side.. there was a short cut up the mountain.. which he didn’t see and struggled to get up it –then tackling the down side of it was hard.. very rocky.
But on the bright side..