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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => KTM LC4 400/610/640 & 690 => Topic started by: 777 on April 29, 2012, 05:25:24 pm

Title: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: 777 on April 29, 2012, 05:25:24 pm
Still looking for a cheap option, any one looked at this, some sort of braket will be needed to mount o side of bike, seem less than R2k??
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 01, 2012, 10:11:07 am
I've looked at that 1 as well.  Looks like you can strap it to the grab handles and connect the petcock directly to the tank vent.  That way its removable and will drain directly into the tank.
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: 777 on May 01, 2012, 10:56:13 am
First prize would be to make a bracket so it can be taken of for shorter rides and fitted for longer trips, do you think the subframe will take the weight of the 5Lt ?
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: 777 on May 01, 2012, 05:47:54 pm
I've looked at that 1 as well.  Looks like you can strap it to the grab handles and connect the petcock directly to the tank vent.  That way its removable and will drain directly into the tank.
Any idea who suppliers would be, i see some of the bike at the Amagezi made us of these tanks.
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: 777 on May 01, 2012, 07:19:01 pm
Think i will go for the fuel bladder.
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: Hooli on May 02, 2012, 04:56:02 pm
I did the Amageza with a exstra 8.5L on the back with tools etc, and my sub-frame mounting bolt (left side) broke off. I only discoverred it on the sunday (2nd day) with about 50km left to the finish. After I thougt about it, it allready broke to Saterday on the special stage, because the bike was moving around as soon as I went into n corner, and thought it was the extra weight, until I discoverred this.

Keep the bike as light as possible at the back. I will not put more than 5 kg's at the back again. Also replace the bolts if you think of doing this.

hope it helps. 
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 02, 2012, 08:53:50 pm
I thought it was made by Acerbis? http://justgastanks.com/index.php?cPath=149_150

Everybody should have upgraded the subframe bolts by now  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: 777 on May 02, 2012, 09:03:10 pm
Where are these bolts located , and what are the recommended upgrade bolts ?
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: blainec on June 19, 2012, 10:52:50 am
I will attempt to show you my solution , I am not good with getting photo,s onto my post.
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: blainec on June 19, 2012, 11:04:12 am
This solution is not cheap, the tank with the mounting bracket is about R1400 per side. I like the one gallon size (3.8 Liters) as I can choose to carry one or two depending on the ride. With both attached by my calculation At a consumption of 20 kilo's per liter ( dirt roads and technical rides I believe this is realistic.) I should get 350km,s with 2 liters reserve.

My experience with all the Namibia trips I have done a range of 350km's is okay. Obviously you have to manage your fuel and not ride full taps non stop.

I hope to do a long ride as soon as I have done the 1000 km service. And see how it works out. 

This way is a lot cheaper than the rally raid solution and leaves me with options.
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: KTM11 on June 25, 2012, 01:06:42 pm
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/Jarno11/AuxTank3.jpg)

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/Jarno11/AuxTank2.jpg)

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/Jarno11/AuxTank1.jpg)

This is my setup and it works perfectly, increases range to around 300km + reserve which means you now have the range of the 950/990's.
The tank does not affect the handling at all, and best of all it keeps the bike narrow. If you are just cruzin around town, you don't need to fill it but when it comes to longer rides it comes in handy, it is all connencted to the original tank and drains together, unless you close the tap then you can drain your original tank first then swith to the auxillary tank  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: 777 on June 25, 2012, 01:17:15 pm
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/Jarno11/AuxTank3.jpg)

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/Jarno11/AuxTank2.jpg)

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/Jarno11/AuxTank1.jpg)

Jarno, that is the one that i want, but Alfie qouted me almost R5K to supply and fit.
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: 777 on June 25, 2012, 01:20:20 pm
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/Jarno11/AuxTank3.jpg)

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/Jarno11/AuxTank2.jpg)

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/Jarno11/AuxTank1.jpg)

This is my setup and it works perfectly, increases range to around 300km + reserve which means you now have the range of the 950/990's.
The tank does not affect the handling at all, and best of all it keeps the bike narrow. If you are just cruzin around town, you don't need to fill it but when it comes to longer rides it comes in handy, it is all connencted to the original tank and drains together, unless you close the tap then you can drain your original tank first then swith to the auxillary tank  :thumleft:
Ok lets try again, Jarno, this is the one i like best from RR, But Alfie qouted me almost R5K, think it is tad hectic.
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: Serf on June 25, 2012, 08:53:24 pm
Price?

Does it mount on the pillion footpeg? I dont have a pillion footpeg >:(
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: 777 on June 26, 2012, 07:15:06 am
Price?

Does it mount on the pillion footpeg? I dont have a pillion footpeg >:(
Direct from RR about R320 Pounds supplied , but then you must fit, Alfie says about R5K supplied and fitted, i am sure you can get a bracket, or just order that footpeg"leg" to fit it.
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: 777 on July 01, 2012, 04:41:11 pm
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/Jarno11/AuxTank3.jpg)

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/Jarno11/AuxTank2.jpg)

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/Jarno11/AuxTank1.jpg)

:
Jarno, Does the tank kit comes with the "rear rack" or can u still use the grab handles?
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: KTM11 on July 02, 2012, 07:32:20 am
The kit comes with the rear rack which replaces the 2 rear grab handles, the rack has it's own grab handle as you can see, which works well for lifting the rear of the bike, this kit does use an adaptor block which is advertised seperately on the Rallye Raid site, the adaptor block fits to the bottom of the original tank and forms a junction point for the 2 tanks to drain from...
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: 777 on July 02, 2012, 07:41:17 am
The kit comes with the rear rack which replaces the 2 rear grab handles, the rack has it's own grab handle as you can see, which works well for lifting the rear of the bike, this kit does use an adaptor block which is advertised seperately on the Rallye Raid site, the adaptor block fits to the bottom of the original tank and forms a junction point for the 2 tanks to drain from...
Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: 777 on July 24, 2012, 03:44:29 pm
OK I ordered the tank as shown in KTM 11 post from Alfie , hope to have it fitted next week, see how it goes .
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: 777 on August 23, 2012, 07:54:55 am
OK I ordered the tank as shown in KTM 11 post from Alfie , hope to have it fitted next week, see how it goes .

As you can see by the post above 5 weeks ago I ordered my tank, between Alfie Cox and RR i cannot get any answers, I suspect that the Mars probe will being it one day.
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: Hooli on August 24, 2012, 02:21:08 pm
Hi 777

See you asked where these subframe bolts fit/situated.
On the pics above just infront of the UNI name on stickers, you will see a bolt that holds the tank covers. That bolt actually screws into the subframe bolt under the seat. they all break as soon as you put the extra weight on the back and go through the ruff stuff. I broke mine with about an ekstra 10kg's on the back during this years Amageza. I was also warned but did not replace it until it actually did.
I got my from Rally Raid in UK for about just over R600. PSP Racing is busy manufacturing them locally and you can try him at 021-696 one eight nine one.

hope it helps.

cheers.
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: 777 on August 25, 2012, 11:00:16 am
Hi 777

See you asked where these subframe bolts fit/situated.
On the pics above just infront of the UNI name on stickers, you will see a bolt that holds the tank covers. That bolt actually screws into the subframe bolt under the seat. they all break as soon as you put the extra weight on the back and go through the ruff stuff. I broke mine with about an ekstra 10kg's on the back during this years Amageza. I was also warned but did not replace it until it actually did.
I got my from Rally Raid in UK for about just over R600. PSP Racing is busy manufacturing them locally and you can try him at 021-696 one eight nine one.

hope it helps.

cheers.
Txs for the info, was looking ofr those bolts seems a mission to find a supplier
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: Roadcat on August 25, 2012, 02:08:50 pm
Hi 777

See you asked where these subframe bolts fit/situated.
On the pics above just infront of the UNI name on stickers, you will see a bolt that holds the tank covers. That bolt actually screws into the subframe bolt under the seat. they all break as soon as you put the extra weight on the back and go through the ruff stuff. I broke mine with about an ekstra 10kg's on the back during this years Amageza. I was also warned but did not replace it until it actually did.
I got my from Rally Raid in UK for about just over R600. PSP Racing is busy manufacturing them locally and you can try him at 021-696 one eight nine one.

hope it helps.

cheers.
Txs for the info, was looking ofr those bolts seems a mission to find a supplier

I second this. My bike has been behaving badly for a while now, suffering from unexpected "bum waggling". Nothing too serious but enough to make me nervous.

I stripped the bike's back end this week and found one of the top bolts had sheared. Frustratingly there wasn't enough of the thread showing to grip it and I spent 4 frustrating house getting it out!  :angryfire: Moral of the story replace them BEFORE they snap! I'm in England so I bought top and bottom bolts from RR - cost about 80 including shipping via UPS.

Here's a handy hint to save some frustration - the bottom tank bolts are lock-tighted thread an insert which is circular and sits on a polyurethane(?) / rubber insert. To remove them loosen the one on the exhaust side first while the other is still tight, take it out and smear grease over it before putting it back and just nip it tight. Then remove the other bolt. Finally remove the greased up bolt again using an impact driver. The shock coupled with the grease is just enough to turn it without the insert just spinning uselessly round and round.
Title: Re: Auxilry tank for 690??
Post by: m0ng00se on September 17, 2012, 10:40:16 pm
for those interested ... good video explaining the post above:

http://www.youtube.com/v/DOBVgYVZJw4