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General => Wild Dog Pictures => Topic started by: dual on May 15, 2012, 06:16:57 pm

Title: HDR
Post by: dual on May 15, 2012, 06:16:57 pm
When is it OK and when is it too much?

Asking because I don't know

Some professionals makes it looks quite nice

Looks like a colour in competition to me

(http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy350/dualriders/Inkleur.jpg)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: N[]vA on May 16, 2012, 07:16:29 am
So I reckon its down to personal taste.

In the pic you posted some of the things that dont work for me

Generally I like an HDR picture to be as close to natural looking at it can be. I want to get more detail out of an image rather than show an image that looks like I am tripping on something.

End of the day all personal preferance
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: domstes on May 16, 2012, 01:23:49 pm
Only one way to get a good HDR image. Lots of pictures a diffrent exposures and lots of time and a good software to merge all the photos into one.
A fake HDR will always look fake. HDR should add to the picture an not be the main focus of the image.
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: N[]vA on May 16, 2012, 01:44:32 pm
Only one way to get a good HDR image. Lots of pictures a diffrent exposures and lots of time and a good software to merge all the photos into one.
A fake HDR will always look fake. HDR should add to the picture an not be the main focus of the image.
You can take as many pictures you want and the best software you can find and still end up at the result above.

Its down to the specific tone mapping and blending, often fare more processes after the actual HDR part of it
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Giepie on May 16, 2012, 08:19:08 pm
Maybe not what you wanted, but still quite a nice pic for me.
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Kenisis on May 16, 2012, 08:40:14 pm
Hey guys.

What HDR software do you use?

Cheers

Al
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Jughead on May 16, 2012, 09:48:45 pm
Photomatix

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71759.0;attach=196600;image)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: N[]vA on May 17, 2012, 03:43:48 am
Mostly photomatix4 for the tone mapping
Lightroom cs5 for lens correction, color balance, etc
Neatimage pro for noise reduction
photoshop cs5 for any spot removal or that sort
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Kenisis on May 17, 2012, 09:35:42 am
Mostly photomatix4 for the tone mapping
Lightroom cs5 for lens correction, color balance, etc
Neatimage pro for noise reduction
photoshop cs5 for any spot removal or that sort

Hey Nova.

how much do you spend on software?
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: N[]vA on May 17, 2012, 02:20:23 pm
Mostly photomatix4 for the tone mapping
Lightroom cs5 for lens correction, color balance, etc
Neatimage pro for noise reduction
photoshop cs5 for any spot removal or that sort

Hey Nova.

how much do you spend on software?

A fair chunk to get started, I dont really update unless there is a massive reason to
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Kobus on May 17, 2012, 03:14:32 pm
HDR for me is only suppose to compensate for the lack of dynamic range of the camera sensor. ie mild HDR =  :thumleft:
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Lourens ツ on May 17, 2012, 04:06:34 pm
HDR for me is only suppose to compensate for the lack of dynamic range of the camera sensor. ie mild HDR =  :thumleft:

The idea of HDR is exactly that.  When its done correctly one should see some detail in the darkest and lightest areas but there should still be some differentiation between shadows and highlights.  Everything in the image should not look exposed perfectly because is starts to look unnatural.

That's my opinion anyway.  :P

Here is a useful HDR tutorial. (http://www.eventphotos.co.za/post/hdr.html) <- Click-click  (it takes a while to load)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: N[]vA on May 18, 2012, 06:04:18 am
HDR for me is only suppose to compensate for the lack of dynamic range of the camera sensor. ie mild HDR =  :thumleft:
Exactly!
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Peat on June 01, 2012, 11:01:21 pm
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j431/Peat50/Lesotho%20Trip%20May%202012/MountainPassAfterNoon_HDR2.jpg)

(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j431/Peat50/Lesotho%20Trip%20May%202012/BikeSky_HDR2.jpg)

(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j431/Peat50/Lesotho%20Trip%20May%202012/LongRoad2-1.jpg)

All the above are 3 picture HDR's
From pretty radical to what I think it should look like.
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: dual on June 12, 2012, 12:41:42 pm
(http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy350/dualriders/BikeTankHDR.jpg)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: madmike999 on June 12, 2012, 12:48:45 pm
not a fan at all of HDR, always looks unreal.  besides spending a little bit more time on a shot, some filters , you can get an even better shot than going  HDR!

my 2c,
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: heti on June 12, 2012, 12:51:42 pm
Agree MadMike  :thumleft:

If you get the basics of the shot wrong, HDR makes it look even worse IMHO!!  :lamer:
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: KTMaster on June 14, 2012, 12:28:38 pm
not a fan at all of HDR, always looks unreal.  besides spending a little bit more time on a shot, some filters , you can get an even better shot than going  HDR!

my 2c,

Like Kobus said, HDR is to compensate the DSLR sensor's tendency to clip the highlights (white) and shadows (black): Dynamic Range and therefore loosing details in those extremes.

The cartoon like results, or the fakeness appearance of HDR photography is only up to the user.  Like all post-processing work in photography, some abuse it while others successfully apply the 'less is more' principle.  Since we deal with visual art, some do amazing work because beside their technique they have a good taste in things visual.

I got a D800, expensive camera, but it really performs in landscape for Dynamic Range.  But I still do composite of 2 or 3 photos when there are too much variation in highlight and shadow.

Title: Re: HDR
Post by: eikeboom on June 17, 2013, 09:31:09 pm
See how the professionals at National Geographic do it.
The link has some photos with comments and tips underneath each.
http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/photography/photo-tips/hdr-high-dynamic-range-photos/
Stunning!
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Stofstreep on June 21, 2013, 10:56:58 am
I love HDR.
It is some times tricky to get the best results.
I use a program called SNS-HDR PRO. quite expensive, but very easy to use and it has a batch processing feature that works wonderful.

Here are some of my favorites.

(http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/968863_528802227180812_266575655_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/486865_528802293847472_1312805366_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942186_528802140514154_595700344_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/11274_487104444683924_335212200_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/576130_506442192750149_1884471384_n.jpg)

Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Allegro on June 22, 2013, 01:42:02 pm
OK eksdom, wat is HDR?
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Stofstreep on June 22, 2013, 03:00:02 pm
"High Dynamic Range"
Take at least 3 photos at different darknesses and combines them to show detail in the shadows and heavy sunlight areas.
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: dual on June 22, 2013, 04:35:52 pm
Gewoon - 1 foto

(http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy350/dualriders/2013/007-5.jpg) (http://s806.photobucket.com/user/dualriders/media/2013/007-5.jpg.html)

HDR - 3 fotos

(http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy350/dualriders/2013/001-9.jpg) (http://s806.photobucket.com/user/dualriders/media/2013/001-9.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Bring It On on June 22, 2013, 10:48:03 pm
Looks Gr8 Dual :thumleft: :thumleft: How do you do it & what program do you use??
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: SchalkL on June 22, 2013, 11:02:36 pm
Dont mean to offend anyone but coming from a non educated camera user............I like normal natural photo's, al these enhanced  pics whatever you use looks unnatural and like an advert for some or other product.  :-\ I like a pic to look close to the same as if you were there.
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: dual on June 23, 2013, 07:34:03 am
Looks Gr8 Dual :thumleft: :thumleft: How do you do it & what program do you use??

Photomatix - @ $ 99.00 - quite expensive, but I like it, each to his own

http://www.hdrsoft.com/

Take multiple photographs at varying exposure levels (brackets) -2, 0, +2

Merge the photos into an HDR image

Adjust the settings to get the look you want: from natural-looking with Exposure Fusion to painterly or surreal with Tone Mapping
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Bring It On on June 23, 2013, 10:06:42 am
Looks Gr8 Dual :thumleft: :thumleft: How do you do it & what program do you use??

Photomatix - @ $ 99.00 - quite expensive, but I like it, each to his own

http://www.hdrsoft.com/

Take multiple photographs at varying exposure levels (brackets) -2, 0, +2

Merge the photos into an HDR image

Adjust the settings to get the look you want: from natural-looking with Exposure Fusion to painterly or surreal with Tone Mapping

Thanks for that info :thumleft: By "taking multiple photos".... you obviously mean "taking of the same thing"....that part makes sence to me.....but would you need to make sure you're using a tripod to take these multiple shots & changing your exposure....all the while making sure you keep the camera DEAD Still ;)

Title: Re: HDR
Post by: dual on June 23, 2013, 10:11:40 am
Buildings and stationary stuff, just try to point at the same point, program remove "ghosts"

People must try to stay in the same position, so it's a posed photo

But you can do some magic with just one photo as well

All my shots without a tripod

I quite like it, but to many it's not appealing

Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Bring It On on June 23, 2013, 10:15:42 am
Dont mean to offend anyone but coming from a non educated camera user............I like normal natural photo's, al these enhanced  pics whatever you use looks unnatural and like an advert for some or other product.  :-\ I like a pic to look close to the same as if you were there.


IMHO......Yes & NO.

There are indeed times when after you have taken a photo of something or a place....& there is just no way that the camera can capture truly actually what you see (due to light sensitivity/settings on the camera. ets) Often you do need to do slight adjustments to some of the settings to get to the REAL thing so to say... ;)

w.r.t. HDR..... some photos that have been "doctored" a bit too much.....can often look a pit "plastic".....but IMHO....the example of these photos that Dual has done.....truly look so much better, fresh & inviting :thumleft: :thumleft: IMHO...good example of using Gr8 tools to make something Good....far BETTER ;) ;D :thumleft:
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Trailrider on June 23, 2013, 10:32:58 am
The pics on this thread, although very very beautiful, somehow seems unnatural. Some of them almost seem like paintings rather than photos?

My camera has an HDR function. It works well to photograph interiors of cars, but that's about all I use it for. Somehow on "normal" photos it just doesn't look "right". Beautiful, yes. Natural, no.

In the Something Else Restaurant photo I prefer the top one. The bottom one looks nicer maybe, but when I stand there in real life the actual scene would look closer to the top photo than the bottom. The border around the 2nd photo makes it seem even more like a painting rather than a photo.
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: dual on June 23, 2013, 10:37:55 am
Painting with a camera  :biggrin:
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Trailrider on June 23, 2013, 11:00:26 am
I think if a RR is done and all the photos are like this it could be very very nice. Almost like an "illustrated" story of the ride. It's a style of photography just like you get styles of writing. So I'm not "for" or "against" it. It has a place. But one or two such pics between normal pics would look "unnatural" or "fake" and won't fit in. It's too obvious that they are manipulated.



I am not sure if this pic is HDR, but if it is I think this is what HDR is for.

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=127489.0;attach=284244;image)

Still looks natural.
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Adventurer on June 23, 2013, 11:36:03 am
I dig HDR pics, need to learn how to do them...
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Bring It On on June 23, 2013, 11:52:06 am
I dig HDR pics, need to learn how to do them...

Check out this link that Dual gave earlier :thumleft: Some pretty nice info there.

Looks Gr8 Dual :thumleft: :thumleft: How do you do it & what program do you use??

http://www.hdrsoft.com/

Take multiple photographs at varying exposure levels (brackets) -2, 0, +2

Merge the photos into an HDR image

Adjust the settings to get the look you want: from natural-looking with Exposure Fusion to painterly or surreal with Tone Mapping

Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Adventurer on June 23, 2013, 06:15:42 pm
Ok, learnt how today, now to play around with some pics........ 8)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Bring It On on June 23, 2013, 06:43:36 pm
Ok, learnt how today, now to play around with some pics........ 8)

Looking forward to seeing your results ;)  ;D
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Adventurer on June 23, 2013, 07:25:50 pm
Ok, learnt how today, now to play around with some pics........ 8)

Looking forward to seeing your results ;)  ;D

Next test bike I get, I will play around...
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: tgg on June 23, 2013, 08:24:35 pm
what is wrong with a normal pic, the way we see it
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Bring It On on June 23, 2013, 08:49:55 pm
Ok, learnt how today, now to play around with some pics........ 8)

Looking forward to seeing your results ;)  ;D

Next test bike I get, I will play around...

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Adventurer on June 23, 2013, 10:24:40 pm
what is wrong with a normal pic, the way we see it
[/quote

It's like buying a standard motorcycle, it just HAS to be modified..... :biggrin:

I was amazed at what can be done, just to enhance the detail, amazing what is not normally seen....
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: wernerroux on July 08, 2013, 08:29:29 pm
I think if a RR is done and all the photos are like this it could be very very nice. Almost like an "illustrated" story of the ride. It's a style of photography just like you get styles of writing. So I'm not "for" or "against" it. It has a place. But one or two such pics between normal pics would look "unnatural" or "fake" and won't fit in. It's too obvious that they are manipulated.



I am not sure if this pic is HDR, but if it is I think this is what HDR is for.

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=127489.0;attach=284244;image)

Still looks natural.

Someone has been to the BMW World in Munich ;)

I have to agree with BIO.  The idea behind HDR is to capture the detail of the brightest and darkest info in one picture of a scene with a huge dynamic range, so that it actually looks the same as what we would experience.  Not only can the eye adjust very quickly to different light in one scene to create a beautiful mental picture, but it can 'record' 2 or 3x more in the dynamic range (don't quote me, read it a long time ago) than any compact camera...I think SLRs are closer.. 1,5-2x   

That's why higher end cameras have the HDR option built in for jpegs.  Yes, you have much more control to shoot manually in 3-5 exposures and merge it in Photomatrix or which ever software blows your hair back.  And yes, some of us, incl myself, sometimes go a bit overboard to create dramatic pictures.. must be the artist in us ;)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: adv on July 08, 2013, 08:47:30 pm
Some HDR

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/965631_10153000573720455_1818193088_o.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1040593_10153000572020455_724845700_o.jpg)


The exposure is maybe a tad too high in this pic.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1048370_10153000572265455_312289621_o.jpg)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Legend on July 21, 2013, 07:35:47 pm
I played a bit.

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y228/mrgnm/w2_zpsaa0bb951.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y228/mrgnm/w4_zpsfaf74472.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/mrgnm/media/w4_zpsfaf74472.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: da PEEG on July 21, 2013, 07:47:15 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Charlie Brown on July 21, 2013, 09:02:48 pm
Gewoon - 1 foto

(http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy350/dualriders/2013/007-5.jpg) (http://s806.photobucket.com/user/dualriders/media/2013/007-5.jpg.html)

HDR - 3 fotos

(http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy350/dualriders/2013/001-9.jpg) (http://s806.photobucket.com/user/dualriders/media/2013/001-9.jpg.html)

Hi Dual, this was a 60sec adjustment in LR4. applied 2 graduated filters to the pic......hope you don't mind.

(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4223/w1zi.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/w1zi.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Charlie Brown on July 21, 2013, 09:08:31 pm
not a fan at all of HDR, always looks unreal.  besides spending a little bit more time on a shot, some filters , you can get an even better shot than going  HDR!

my 2c,

I agree 100% with you, for landscapes, I use grad filters, very occasionally a polarizer and meter using the "zone system". I personally don't like HDR at all, to me it is not photography. :peepwall:
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Teapot on July 22, 2013, 02:17:26 am
Photoshop gentleman.
:thumleft:
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: dual on April 27, 2015, 02:10:20 pm
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7661/17100774850_90e49f439a_o.jpg)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: dual on November 21, 2015, 06:51:48 am
Die wolke vanoggend by ons

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5734/22797386829_9ab125d9c8_o.jpg)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Amsterdam on November 21, 2015, 10:29:08 am
@Dual - Nice image.

I just bought Aurora HD Pro.  You can try a free copy of the software - http://aurorahdr.com (http://aurorahdr.com).  You will see some stunning sample images there. 

Of course, like sand riding, it requires practice.  But it is fun to try do something different with your images.  Things easily look overdone but that is not a negative in itself.

Title: Re: HDR
Post by: dual on December 02, 2015, 07:25:13 pm
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/574/23446577456_aede668236_o.jpg)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: MegaPix on December 02, 2015, 07:34:44 pm
As jy na my RR kyk van Schoemansrus EISBEIN TRIP sal jy sien ek het met my Samsung S3 mini geneem

Ek het 'n LIGHTROOM preset gebruik wat dit soos 'n tekening gemaak het

Sal dit net gebruik as ek iets anders wil doen.  As fotograaf mneem ek baie normale fotos.
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: dual on December 12, 2015, 08:13:46 pm
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/690/23072419743_8d3a0b0b75_o.jpg)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: dual on February 07, 2016, 07:44:56 am
Gister

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1526/24498940969_4f791f80fe_b.jpg)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Wayne on May 01, 2016, 07:49:32 pm
Port Alfred(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160501/756f8fce0bd399a57cf5b7c17864ebcb.jpg)

Sent from my SM-N920C using Tapatalk
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Amsterdam on July 29, 2016, 02:05:52 pm
A few HDR images from recent travels.  Tried not to overdo it.
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: 0012 on July 29, 2016, 03:23:59 pm
A few HDR images from recent travels.  Tried not to overdo it.



 :drif:
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Bring It On on July 29, 2016, 04:23:05 pm
A few HDR images from recent travels.  Tried not to overdo it.


Very nicely done.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: dual on April 20, 2017, 09:05:48 pm
Vanmiddag die stoomlokomotief, Jessica gejaag en gevang, tussen Botrivier en Caledon

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2832/34005186572_a516b91ecb_b.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2822/34005184042_5e736903fa_b.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2879/34005180812_22e08b173f_b.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2835/33320090754_2f25d1b4ec_b.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2810/34162759085_1b04afb45e_b.jpg)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: dual on August 12, 2017, 12:26:48 pm
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4403/36121511770_b754109071_b.jpg)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Amsterdam on August 12, 2017, 12:40:24 pm
Dual, very interesting images you produce by really giving it the HDR look.  I will try that as well at some stage and see what comes of it.  These 2 HDR images were taken around Hout Bay yesterday.

Title: Re: HDR
Post by: dual on August 12, 2017, 12:55:07 pm
Thanks, I paid for Photomatix program
I enjoy it
I retouched your photos

Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Amsterdam on August 12, 2017, 04:09:10 pm
I use Aurora HDR 2017 and then touch it up in Luminar.
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: BossPierreLombard on August 12, 2017, 11:04:12 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170812/6f78b49320137d86e2694a31b839ed3e.jpg)

Heres some HDR overkill..

I like messing around with it because sometimes you get the "money shot"

Iphone 6 with a HDR app

Title: Re: HDR
Post by: dual on August 17, 2017, 06:59:02 am
From the last groundrun at Ysterplaat AFB

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4424/36444787932_cc860427dd_b.jpg)
Title: Re: HDR
Post by: Amsterdam on December 06, 2017, 06:15:19 pm
One of the cars at the Canyon roadhouse along the Fishriver Canyon.

Original and the reworked one.