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Title: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Michiel on May 19, 2012, 05:11:22 pm
Before the pie in my face gets any tackier I need to issue a big and sincere apology to all those 2-stroke riders
out there that might have been offended by my clearly uninformed criticism. I remember saying I will never want
to ride such a noise making machine. True, I still don't like the sound it makes. Where I did speak right out of my
arse is when I said it had no lugging ability and only produced enough power at high reffs making it hard to control
off road.

(http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy218/ethakotze/Kawasaki%20KDX%20200/KDX005.jpg)

Since then a miracle happened. I woke up one day wanting a 2T. Thanks to some helpful WD's I am now the proud
owner of a remarkable little toy. A 2006 Kawasaki KDX 200.  >:D  I might never tap the full potencial of this little
eye catcher, due maybe to a slight limp wrist  ::), but for as far as I dare he makes my juices flow!  :ricky:

(http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy218/ethakotze/Kawasaki%20KDX%20200/KDX006.jpg)

In time I will post here more and better videos of my love affair with No 8. Eventually he will live on the family farm
making the occasional visit to Lesotho. One day we dream of taking on the Roof. If only the bronce route.

The video today is just to illustrate how a KDX can actually lug it's way up a rocky quarry face without stalling or running
out of power. At no point in the climb did I use excessive throttle and sometimes I even start out with low reffs and wind
him up as I get on. I think this can be called torque...

http://www.youtube.com/v/Gg-gqE8ULyE
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on May 19, 2012, 05:17:35 pm
Jy het dit beter gedoen met jou DR 500. :peepwall:

Geluk hoop sy sal jou baie plesier bring :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: GJ on May 19, 2012, 05:19:19 pm
Mooi Michiel, jou oŽ het uiteindelik oopgegaan! Jy moes lankal vir 2Stroke Dan geluister het. (Weet hy hoe hard daardie klippe is as jy met daai helmet op hulle val?)
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 19, 2012, 05:30:13 pm
Ai, hoor nou weer vir Chris, so n Saterdagmiddag kwaadstoker :eek7: :imaposer:
Michiel, ek is bly jy het die stap geneem, die KDX kan nooit jou HPN se plek oorneem nie, maar die klein 2slag kan vir jou n nuwe wereld oopmaak. Die moeitelose skuif van n lewe van 4strokes na die KDX het my weer gewys watter goeie ryer jy is. Die 2slag is nie elkeen se koppie tee nie.
Ek se nog; die KDX is 2 fietse in een, onder powerband is hy n CRF230, in die powerband n YZ250F.
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: subie on May 19, 2012, 06:23:05 pm
Paar 2 strokes in my lewe gehad maar het nooit regtig met hulle ge-gel nie. Exhilirating goed maar jy moet hom heeltyd "on the boil" kan ry. Natuurlik was my vrou se KDX destyds  vinniger as my 500 prolink gewees :eek7:
Ek is maar n 4T ou  :mwink:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Crossed-up on May 19, 2012, 06:47:44 pm
Nothing quite like a really light bike with a bit of oomph, is there, Michiel?  Congrats and enjoy!
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: J-dog on May 20, 2012, 07:57:20 am
Michiel, the KDX will respond beautifully every time, despite your slightly limp wrist
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: See Duiwel on May 20, 2012, 08:23:31 am
Daarsy hy nou Michiel. Dink jy het nou die regte bike om in die winter saam te gaan as ons daai RTH gaan kafdraf.  Gebruik net asb sintetiese olie want ek raak seesiek van daai rook! :thumleft:
Mooi dag, seker vrekkoud daar by julle?
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: JustBendIt on May 20, 2012, 09:22:24 am
Congrats on your KDX - it looks like you found a real stunning example !

Listen to what See Duiwel says about synthetic oil - buy the best synthetic 2 stroke oil you can get your hands on and mix with petrol at 40:1

Never ever skimp on the oil or get lazy and put lawnmower oil or some cheap mineral oil in.

Why ?

The correct "burn temperature" in a performance 2 stroke is critical - too hot and you got problems - too cold and you got problems

Synthetic oils are blended in a lab which ensures they get the spec 100% correct every time - mineral oils are refined from fossil fuels and the spec can vary widely - one bottle of shit oil and your KDX will vrek

Others here will probably disagree with me but I always say "oil is cheap, motors are expensive".

If you use the best 2T oil and clean that air filter regularly you should never have to open that motor - I raced with okes on 10 year old KDX's that had never been opened !   
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Bring It On on May 20, 2012, 10:36:31 am
Michiel, you sure are gonna have a whole lot of fun & enjoyment on that bike for years to come. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Smittie Weskus on May 20, 2012, 07:12:23 pm
Niks klink so mooi soos 'n 2stroke in sy powerband!!
Ek gebruik yamalube in my suzuki 30:1, het daai les van cheap olie lank terug geleer! :biggrin:
As ek sien hoe 'cheap' maintenace gewys ek weg kom tenoor die 4strokes, koop ek weer 'n 2stroke. :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: edgy on May 20, 2012, 07:17:58 pm
Congrats on your KDX - it looks like you found a real stunning example !

Listen to what See Duiwel says about synthetic oil - buy the best synthetic 2 stroke oil you can get your hands on and mix with petrol at 40:1

Never ever skimp on the oil or get lazy and put lawnmower oil or some cheap mineral oil in.

Why ?

The correct "burn temperature" in a performance 2 stroke is critical - too hot and you got problems - too cold and you got problems

Synthetic oils are blended in a lab which ensures they get the spec 100% correct every time - mineral oils are refined from fossil fuels and the spec can vary widely - one bottle of shit oil and your KDX will vrek

Others here will probably disagree with me but I always say "oil is cheap, motors are expensive".

If you use the best 2T oil and clean that air filter regularly you should never have to open that motor - I raced with okes on 10 year old KDX's that had never been opened !   


True story! :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: oo7 on May 20, 2012, 07:18:47 pm
Lekker Michiel! Enjoy.

Nou verstaan ek hoekom hulle se dis `n 2 SMOKE - rook hulle almal so?

Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 20, 2012, 07:33:12 pm
If you look at footage of the 125, 250 and 500cc 2stroke racebikes of post 90's, you will notice that they smoke almost less than the 4strokes. This is because they get nailed and at their performance levels they burn off the intended lube oil very efficiently. With "leisure" strokers, we have to put in a mixture of say 40-1, for flat-out revs, but at playspeed and low to middle revs there is need for a lot less oil, and oil accumulation in the crankcase is a problem, but only for the guy behind you :mwink: Street 2stroke bikes have accurate metering devices that delivers just the right amount of oil on demand, IOW 40-1 wide open throttle at high revs, and say 100-1 in town while dawdling.
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on May 20, 2012, 07:36:55 pm
Enjoy the ride  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: GO GIRL on May 20, 2012, 07:40:34 pm
Wow Michiel .....Congrats enjoy the added fun and value....     :thumleft: one day I will get there too!!
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on May 20, 2012, 10:06:28 pm
Hey, wie hou jou kamera vas.. hy laat 'n afdraende soos 'n opdraende lyk..  ;)

Mooi kdx wat jy daar het.


PS he is using synthetic oil.

I was told to run a 40:1 mix. 250ml on 10liter.

Using synthetic oil from Bel Ray.

Some say 40:1 and some say 50:1.... What should it be???
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: oo7 on May 21, 2012, 07:40:44 am
If you look at footage of the 125, 250 and 500cc 2stroke racebikes of post 90's, you will notice that they smoke almost less than the 4strokes. This is because they get nailed and at their performance levels they burn off the intended lube oil very efficiently. With "leisure" strokers, we have to put in a mixture of say 40-1, for flat-out revs, but at playspeed and low to middle revs there is need for a lot less oil, and oil accumulation in the crankcase is a problem, but only for the guy behind you :mwink: Street 2stroke bikes have accurate metering devices that delivers just the right amount of oil on demand, IOW 40-1 wide open throttle at high revs, and say 100-1 in town while dawdling.

Well there you have it from the 2 smoke man himself!
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on May 21, 2012, 07:51:31 am
If you look at footage of the 125, 250 and 500cc 2stroke racebikes of post 90's, you will notice that they smoke almost less than the 4strokes. This is because they get nailed and at their performance levels they burn off the intended lube oil very efficiently. With "leisure" strokers, we have to put in a mixture of say 40-1, for flat-out revs, but at playspeed and low to middle revs there is need for a lot less oil, and oil accumulation in the crankcase is a problem, but only for the guy behind you :mwink: Street 2stroke bikes have accurate metering devices that delivers just the right amount of oil on demand, IOW 40-1 wide open throttle at high revs, and say 100-1 in town while dawdling.

Well there you have it from the 2 smoke man himself!

Lees en presteer.  :biggrin:  :thumleft:

So a 50:1 should be fine for slow/technical riding but 40:1 if you are going to open that throttle.
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: adv on May 22, 2012, 07:37:05 pm
Michiel, begin nou al oefen vir die ROOF :)
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Malcolm on May 24, 2012, 08:03:12 am
Nice one.  Once you get the hang of the KDX try out a newish ('08 and younger) KTM 200 for some real fun!
On the oil front each bike model has a specification.  Look it up and stick with it.  Do not confuse too much smoke or spooge with oil mixture, its typically the jetting.   Oooh yes a can of worms potentially right there.  But also know this, the KDX200 is almost indestructible.  Fantastic bike to get started on.
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Mark Hardy on May 24, 2012, 08:39:39 am
Congrats M, stunning little bike  :thumleft:

Listen closely to what the guys are saying about oil mixtures, excellent advice given. And just one more thing, change the engine oil at least once between service intervals, this will also look after the motor.



 but I always say "oil is cheap, motors are expensive".
   

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:


Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Rough Rider on May 24, 2012, 08:44:33 am
Congrats M, stunning little bike  :thumleft:

Listen closely to what the guys are saying about oil mixtures, excellent advice given. And just one more thing, change the engine oil at least once between service intervals, this will also look after the motor.



 but I always say "oil is cheap, motors are expensive".
   

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:




It's a 2 stroke there is no engine oil apart from what is mixed in the fuel  :lamer:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Mark Hardy on May 24, 2012, 10:21:53 am

It's a 2 stroke there is no engine oil apart from what is mixed in the fuel  :lamer:

WTF......please change your drugs you are taking as they are making you talk utter SHIT.  :lamer:



Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Buff on May 24, 2012, 10:38:47 am

It's a 2 stroke there is no engine oil apart from what is mixed in the fuel  :lamer:

WTF......please change your drugs you are taking as they are making you talk utter SHIT.  :lamer:


:laughing4:

KDX's are good but not even they can run a dry gearbox  :D
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Rough Rider on May 24, 2012, 10:50:49 am

It's a 2 stroke there is no engine oil apart from what is mixed in the fuel  :lamer:

WTF......please change your drugs you are taking as they are making you talk utter SHIT.  :lamer:


:laughing4:

KDX's are good but not even they can run a dry gearbox  :D


Ah you said it, they have gearbox and clutch oil, but not engine oil  :deal:

Sorry I did not mean to offend anybody, beers on me for all those i offended  :)
I write engineering reports for a living and it is important that the facts are 100% correct in my job (so it is a bit of a habit).
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Mark Hardy on May 24, 2012, 10:52:43 am
ok then to keep you happy...I should have said transmission oil
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Rough Rider on May 24, 2012, 10:53:05 am

It's a 2 stroke there is no engine oil apart from what is mixed in the fuel  :lamer:

WTF......please change your drugs you are taking as they are making you talk utter SHIT.  :lamer:





I actually watched this video, along with their fork serving ones, a few weeks ago  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Michiel on May 24, 2012, 03:28:32 pm
Michiel, begin nou al oefen vir die ROOF :)

Ek en 'n Bloem buddy gaan die jaar die roof spectate. SGB sal ons rond wys.
Indien ek dink dit is doen-baar is ek in vir 2013...  :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Michiel on May 24, 2012, 03:37:59 pm
ok then to keep you happy...I should have said transmission oil

On the topic of oil: I think I got the 2stroke oil down, help me if I'm wrong, but I will likely mix a slightly leaner mix since I will almost
never run at high reffs and not for any period of time with that. 40:1 works out to 250ml on 10liter. Can I go 250ml on 11liter?

When it comes to the "transmission" oil I'm clueless... Do I put in 80W90 gearbox oil in same as in HPN 663's gearbox?
Somebody said I may use Castrol Activa 10W40 but I get confused when I see 2T oils because I can't tell if it is for the
petrol mix or for the gearbox???
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Welsh on May 24, 2012, 03:48:16 pm
This is a two stroke, seen sunday at Piston Ring :biggrin:

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a236/IWelshman/rd350.jpg)
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on May 24, 2012, 03:50:18 pm
ok then to keep you happy...I should have said transmission oil

Nope....  gearbox oil.
None of my bikes have a Tranny....  

 :peepwall: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on May 24, 2012, 03:56:13 pm
On the topic of oil: I think I got the 2stroke oil down, help me if I'm wrong, but I will likely mix a slightly leaner mix since I will almost
never run at high reffs and not for any period of time with that. 40:1 works out to 250ml on 10liter. Can I go 250ml on 11liter?

250ml on 10liter is 40:1
I run 200ml on 10liter which is 50:1, but seldom do we get out of second gear, slower technical stuff.
225ml on 10liter is 45:1 very close to 250ml on 11liter 44:1
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Michiel on May 24, 2012, 04:00:44 pm
On the topic of oil: I think I got the 2stroke oil down, help me if I'm wrong, but I will likely mix a slightly leaner mix since I will almost
never run at high reffs and not for any period of time with that. 40:1 works out to 250ml on 10liter. Can I go 250ml on 11liter?

250ml on 10liter is 40:1
I run 200ml on 10liter which is 50:1, but seldom do we get out of second gear, slower technical stuff.
225ml on 10liter is 45:1 very close to 250ml on 11liter 44:1

See, the 10liter can/container I use can actually take almost 11liter if I fill it to the brim. Thats why I want to put 250ml to 11 litres...
I take this will not be a mistake for my riding style. I also like to ride slow technical stuff.  :)
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Rough Rider on May 24, 2012, 04:23:10 pm
ok then to keep you happy...I should have said transmission oil

On the topic of oil: I think I got the 2stroke oil down, help me if I'm wrong, but I will likely mix a slightly leaner mix since I will almost
never run at high reffs and not for any period of time with that. 40:1 works out to 250ml on 10liter. Can I go 250ml on 11liter?

When it comes to the "transmission" oil I'm clueless... Do I put in 80W90 gearbox oil in same as in HPN 663's gearbox?
Somebody said I may use Castrol Activa 10W40 but I get confused when I see 2T oils because I can't tell if it is for the
petrol mix or for the gearbox???

Have a look at this link, all the information you need is there.

http://www.putoline.com/en/products/product-recommendation/result/e54EBsmyQRoQ/kawasaki-kdx-200-2002-2006/transmission-6/
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: domstes on May 24, 2012, 04:55:02 pm
Michiel, repeat after me..

"Ring....., ting, ting, ting" a 100 times and you are absolved.
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Michiel on May 24, 2012, 05:04:56 pm
Check this out...

I looked on e-dirt and found this topic:  http://www.e-dirt.co.za/site/forum_posts.asp?TID=43895&title=kdx-200-transmission-oil

One guy says: "Castrol 20w 50 , perfect ;) used it for years and no issues what so ever . Changed oil between 4 to 6 rides depending on swimming experiences .."
If that is the case then it suits me. I've got about 8 litres of GTX 20W50 left from my KLR oil-o-holic days.
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Michiel on May 24, 2012, 06:31:55 pm
Stunning video!

http://www.youtube.com/v/gJMW6o6Ae2s&feature=related
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on May 24, 2012, 06:43:27 pm
One guy says: "Castrol 20w 50 , perfect ;) used it for years and no issues what so ever .

Love it when people do and say that.  As if they have done a scientific evaluation of the engine comparing different oils.
The KDX manual says SAE 10W-40
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on May 24, 2012, 06:45:03 pm
One guy says: "Castrol 20w 50 , perfect ;) used it for years and no issues what so ever .

Love it when people do and say that.  As if they have done a scientific evaluation of the engine comparing different oils.
The KDX manual says SAE 10W-40



Edit: But then again the manual also says 32:1 engine oil mix.
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Mark Hardy on May 24, 2012, 06:49:42 pm
The Castrol Activa10W40 will be fine as a transmission/engine/orwhateveryouwanttocallit oil  ;D.

Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: J-dog on May 25, 2012, 03:45:13 am
what on earth is all this talk of 40 and 50:1 when the manual asks for 32:1?

 :-\
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: BiG DoM on May 25, 2012, 05:43:00 am
Palookas  :patch:   the 32:1 is the recomendation for dyno oil AND  40:1 for synth
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: BiG DoM on May 25, 2012, 05:46:33 am
This is a two stroke, seen sunday at Piston Ring :biggrin:

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a236/IWelshman/rd350.jpg)

As you probably realise Welsh that is not just "a two stroke" ... it is possibly THE 2 stroke!  A a lovely example. Certainly when I was 16 and racing Yammy FS1 50cc bikes this was my wet dream (or of course the 400  :D)
... and awesome sound when used in anger  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: xTzar on May 25, 2012, 06:24:18 am
Hold the camera level.  :mwink:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Welsh on May 25, 2012, 06:53:57 am
Hold the camera level.  :mwink:

Hold the phone level ::)

Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: ChinaPete on May 25, 2012, 07:05:15 am
Back in the late '70's we used to dose our 2T's with Castrol R40 (Castor bean based oil), leaves behind a nice smell for the guys trying to catch up - especially if they had the munchies  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Mark Hardy on May 25, 2012, 08:39:43 am
Back in the late '70's we used to dose our 2T's with Castrol R40 (Castor bean based oil), leaves behind a nice smell for the guys trying to catch up - especially if they had the munchies  :biggrin:

 :imaposer:  :mwink:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: BiG DoM on May 25, 2012, 10:38:13 am
Ja I remember that - we literally used castor oil ... the synth these days has that smell anyway  :biggrin:  I also had access to AVGAS that was a great high octane racing fuel... then there was the time that we were meant to use Methanol ...
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: xTzar on May 25, 2012, 06:06:33 pm
Back in the late '70's we used to dose our 2T's with Castrol R40 (Castor bean based oil), leaves behind a nice smell for the guys trying to catch up - especially if they had the munchies  :biggrin:
We used to put a cap full per tank of gas in our XR500Rs just for the smell. Didn't matter who rode in front, you still got the smell. There's a two stroke oil available currently that gives off that smell.
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 26, 2012, 11:13:01 pm
10W40, 20W50, SAE30. Anything goes here. Change my strokers gear oil once per year, meanwhile just watch 2 things carefully; 1. the level[so you make sure it is not leaking out, and 2. that your gear oil is not turning a condensed milk colour[that will mean that the waterpump seal is letting coolant fluid into the gearbox cavity.
Apart from a kickstart idler gear on a PE175, I have never had problems with any Japanese bike gearbox. I of course know how to treat them. :mwink: You engage 1st gear, you do not "kick" at the gear lever with your trendy fat MX boot.
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Michiel on May 26, 2012, 11:59:47 pm
Dankie Oom 2SD! Ek dink ek gooi sommer 20W50.  :)

Ai maar dit is darm lekker om 'n speelding te he!  :ricky:

http://www.youtube.com/v/XdDkulAt0N8
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: GO GIRL on May 27, 2012, 02:59:04 am
Jeesh this looks like a whole lotta FUN..... :ricky:

I wish....... :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Bring It On on May 27, 2012, 10:44:19 am
Dankie Oom 2SD! Ek dink ek gooi sommer 20W50.  :)

Ai maar dit is darm lekker om 'n speelding te he!  :ricky:

http://www.youtube.com/v/XdDkulAt0N8

As usual,.... VERY Nice Video Michiel. You have a wonderful talent w.r.t. putting/editing your videos. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Rough Rider on May 27, 2012, 10:47:37 am
Lekker man.
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: J-dog on May 29, 2012, 05:23:29 pm
very nice riding style there M. I especially liked the glimpse of your Levi boxer shorts. Very sexy.  :mwink:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: Michiel on May 30, 2012, 10:10:51 am
very nice riding style there M. I especially liked the glimpse of your Levi boxer shorts. Very sexy.  :mwink:

 ;) I'd like my videos to contain something exiting for even the minorities.
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2012, 12:45:59 pm
 :laughing4: :laughing4: baie skerp Michiel :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2T - a sincere apology
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on May 30, 2012, 01:04:38 pm
Gewig is darem n wonderlike ding......................of in die geval die tekort daaraan. :deal:
Lekker speelplek M. :thumleft: