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MotoGP 2016.
« on: November 11, 2015, 10:58:04 am »
Yes, the 2016 season, according to the official calendar started on 10 November 2015 with the first tests of the new bikes, new rules, new tires, etc.

Teams are keen to test their 2016 bikes on the new Michelin tires,  especially with the slightly larger 17 inch front wheel.   

They also need to get to understand the standard ("control") ECU that will be used by all bikes.   Honda is currently ruling the roost with Suzuki, Ducati and Yamaha knocking at the door.   In typical modern day Ducati style,  their 2016 Desmosidici wasn't ready for testing and the factory riders used their 2015 bikes.

Some interesting changes:

- Bigger front wheel:  The front wheel goes from 16,5 to 17 inches.    Most riders did not like this change, however it seems to suit the Ducati riders.  Still.  Early days.
- Control ECU is introduced.  This ECU is supplied by Dorna and all bikes will use the same ECU.  Most riders did not like tjis one bit.  Rossi and Marquez both described it as a huge step backward, but Rossi believes it will be better for close racing.
-  All bikes will be allowed 22 liters of fuel.   Up from 20 for the factory bikes and down from 24 for the "need help"  bikes like Suzuki and Ducati.
 

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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2015, 03:46:17 pm »
Cal is staying with HRC Honda.. I was hoping he would get a factory bike.. but glad he is staying with Honda
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2015, 05:09:56 pm »
Cal is staying with HRC Honda.. I was hoping he would get a factory bike.. but glad he is staying with Honda

Would love to see him on a factory bike.   Next year,  in theory,  the performance should be very similar as they will all use the control ECU supplied by Dorna.   It levels the playing field dramatically.  

We often hear VR,  DP,  MM and JL described as "aliens".   There are a few I believe will kick some good alien posterior if they had the same level of bike.   Cal and Ianone being 2.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2015, 06:02:24 pm »
The "one ECU for all" is a development killer, and should be in beginners races, not in MotoGP.
 

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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2015, 07:18:06 pm »
The "one ECU for all" is a development killer, and should be in beginners races, not in MotoGP.

There are many such perceived development killers in MotoGP already.   Most have been there for some years.   This control ECU is just the latest in a long  line.

Adapting your bike to the tires manufactured by a single manufacturer is another.  

Using a prescribed size front wheel 16,5 inch is another.   (17 from next year)

Running with only the tires that the manufacturer chose to bring to the track,  yet another.  

 Designing and building your engine around the prescribed bore and stroke,  same thing.  

Using only the prescribed size front brake discs.  

Building the frame to prescribed specs.

They even added rules that describe what "wings"  can look like for 2016.

In my experience it doesn't stop development,  but rather boost it.  They have reached a stage where the ECU on the Repsol Honda's,  cost double what the bike cost.   Same with the Moviestar Yamahas.   Instead of developing the bike,  they just threw more nerds at it.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2015, 12:05:15 am »
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2015, 01:20:53 am »
The "one ECU for all" is a development killer, and should be in beginners races, not in MotoGP.

I agree
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2015, 04:35:37 am »
 They have reached a stage where the ECU on the Repsol Honda's,  cost double what the bike cost.   Same with the Moviestar Yamahas.   Instead of developing the bike,  they just threw more nerds at it.

If this is the case it is probably a good thing to standardise ECU's otherwise it will always be a two-horse race between Yamaha and Honda. Non-factory teams can't compete because the costs have become prohibitive, even perhaps for a manufacturer like Suzuki. In the "old" days anybody who was able to tune a two-stroke well, had a halfway decent frame and a rider who could pin it, was in with a chance.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2015, 09:11:13 am »
 They have reached a stage where the ECU on the Repsol Honda's,  cost double what the bike cost.   Same with the Moviestar Yamahas.   Instead of developing the bike,  they just threw more nerds at it.

If this is the case it is probably a good thing to standardise ECU's otherwise it will always be a two-horse race between Yamaha and Honda. Non-factory teams can't compete because the costs have become prohibitive, even perhaps for a manufacturer like Suzuki. In the "old" days anybody who was able to tune a two-stroke well, had a halfway decent frame and a rider who could pin it, was in with a chance.

It should improve the competition at least.  As it stands, Ducati and Suzuki as well as the Satellite Teams (Honda, Yamaha and Ducati), the Customer Bikes (Honda and Ducatis) and the Customer teams using the Yamaha engine are no competition compared to the factory Hondas and Yamahas. 

History have shown that development really happens when you block the easier avenues to obtain performance, such as the ECU. 





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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2015, 10:27:21 am »
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2015, 10:34:37 am »
The "one ECU for all" is a development killer, and should be in beginners races, not in MotoGP.

There are many such perceived development killers in MotoGP already.   Most have been there for some years.   This control ECU is just the latest in a long  line.

Adapting your bike to the tires manufactured by a single manufacturer is another.  

Using a prescribed size front wheel 16,5 inch is another.   (17 from next year)

Running with only the tires that the manufacturer chose to bring to the track,  yet another.  

 Designing and building your engine around the prescribed bore and stroke,  same thing.  

Using only the prescribed size front brake discs.  

Building the frame to prescribed specs.

They even added rules that describe what "wings"  can look like for 2016.

In my experience it doesn't stop development,  but rather boost it.  They have reached a stage where the ECU on the Repsol Honda's,  cost double what the bike cost.   Same with the Moviestar Yamahas.   Instead of developing the bike,  they just threw more nerds at it.
The concern from DORNA and the FIM is that the bikes are getting faster than the tracks were designed for. They are trying to slow the bikes down and limit development.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2015, 10:49:37 am »
In my experience it doesn't stop development,  but rather boost it.  They have reached a stage where the ECU on the Repsol Honda's,  cost double what the bike cost.   Same with the Moviestar Yamahas.   Instead of developing the bike,  they just threw more nerds at it.
The concern from DORNA and the FIM is that the bikes are getting faster than the tracks were designed for. They are trying to slow the bikes down and limit development.

Not sure that is the actual reason  as they are doing the same for World SBK and the smaller classes, so my feeling is that it is more related to equalise competition.  MotoGP was close to death 3 years ago and got a huge boost with the CRT bikes and later Open Class bikes they introduced.  We also see that with the current rules being introduced, other makers are joining, like Suzuki, Aprilia and KTM.  

At the Valencia tests with the control ECU, new Michelin tires and new front wheel size, the times, after just two days, are basically on par with the past weekend's race.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2015, 12:59:55 pm »
We know Brad Binder is confirmed the "senior" rider for the Red Bull KTM Ajo Racing Team, basically the KTM factory team next year.  He will be joined by Bo Bendsneyder who moves over from the Red Bull Rookies Cup.

Just announced is that Darryn Binder, younger brother to Brad, will again compete on a Mahindra in the World Wide Race team.  He will be joined by Karel Hanika as team mate. 
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2015, 03:07:02 pm »
Cal is staying with HRC Honda.. I was hoping he would get a factory bike.. but glad he is staying with Honda

Would love to see him on a factory bike.   Next year,  in theory,  the performance should be very similar as they will all use the control ECU supplied by Dorna.   It levels the playing field dramatically.   


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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2015, 03:08:36 pm »
We know Brad Binder is confirmed the "senior" rider for the Red Bull KTM Ajo Racing Team, basically the KTM factory team next year.  He will be joined by Bo Bendsneyder who moves over from the Red Bull Rookies Cup.

Just announced is that Darryn Binder, younger brother to Brad, will again compete on a Mahindra in the World Wide Race team.  He will be joined by Karel Hanika as team mate. 

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What you think are the odds of him moving up to Moto2 in 2017?

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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2015, 03:52:25 pm »
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2015, 04:12:15 pm »
Go Brad & Darryn!!

Is there a race in which Karel Hanika didn't crash this last season?


Very few,  if any and he was the third rider for the KTM team,  sucking resources away from De Oliviera and Brad.   He did not belong in a factory team.



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What you think are the odds of him moving up to Moto2 in 2017?

Would probably need a good sponsor?

I reckon he will go MotoGP.   It is the next logical step.   Brad is very popular with the team's as he is a very nice young man.   Old man Ajo, owner of the Moto3 KTM team likes him a lot and he owns the Moto2 team with who Zarco became Moto2 champion.   He may well "promote"  Brad in 2017.

Of course,  the above is just conjecture.   If he is top 3 in the 2016 Moto3 championship,  he will receive many offers from Moto2 teams.
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2015, 04:21:59 pm »
Holy shit, imagine having an SA rider competing in the big time!!!

Eish, I hope he has better luck than in the past.

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