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WSBK 2021
« on: April 10, 2021, 04:56:22 pm »
Anyone follow ? Rea on the new Ninja topping testing tines so far. Another title heading his way I wonder
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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2021, 06:59:06 am »
Not actively, do you have any links to vids?
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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2021, 07:33:08 pm »
I do follow, but mainly Supersport 600 to see how our Stephen Odendaal is doing.

WSBK is okay, but it looks like Rea will run away with it again this year.
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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2021, 10:07:03 pm »
I for one hopes that Rea takes the title again this year.

A buddy remarked last night how WSBK is being killed by the Kawasaki winning all the time, and I had to remind him of how strong WSBK was when Fogarty and company kept winning on Dukes......
 

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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2021, 06:38:48 am »
Follow, particularly to see if Honda will tick this promised championship  ;)
 

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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2021, 08:40:36 am »
Late 90's and 2000's I preferred WSBK over MotoGP. This was the Doohan era and he cleaned house by a big margin. Only Criville could hang with him now and then whilst over at WSBK there were some talented guys like Slight, Gobert, Fogarty, Haga, Edwards etc although I still maintain the Ducati's had an unfair advantage.
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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2021, 09:43:52 am »
Late 90's and 2000's I preferred WSBK over MotoGP. This was the Doohan era and he cleaned house by a big margin. Only Criville could hang with him now and then whilst over at WSBK there were some talented guys like Slight, Gobert, Fogarty, Haga, Edwards etc although I still maintain the Ducati's had an unfair advantage.

Why do you believe the Ducatis had an unfair advantage during that era?

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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2021, 02:26:33 pm »
Late 90's and 2000's I preferred WSBK over MotoGP. This was the Doohan era and he cleaned house by a big margin. Only Criville could hang with him now and then whilst over at WSBK there were some talented guys like Slight, Gobert, Fogarty, Haga, Edwards etc although I still maintain the Ducati's had an unfair advantage.

Why do you believe the Ducatis had an unfair advantage during that era?
Restrictions imposed on the Japanese 4's, Ducati cc advantage (yes I know they had 2 cylinders). When Honda finally built there own 1000cc V-Twin they cleaned house, proved the twins always had an advantage.
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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2021, 02:44:33 pm »
I wish SBK would return to being closer to today's Superstock.
It cuts cost and I believe improves racing.

That being said, with roadbikes now having all the tech we will never go back to basics on track.

For me the late 90's SBK were way better than MotoGP at the time.
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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2021, 07:13:10 pm »
Late 90's and 2000's I preferred WSBK over MotoGP. This was the Doohan era and he cleaned house by a big margin. Only Criville could hang with him now and then whilst over at WSBK there were some talented guys like Slight, Gobert, Fogarty, Haga, Edwards etc although I still maintain the Ducati's had an unfair advantage.

Why do you believe the Ducatis had an unfair advantage during that era?

Much was made over the fact that the Dukes were "only" twins, and so more cc's were granted them as well as being able to use a full factory crank assembly.

 

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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2021, 09:47:24 pm »
Late 90's and 2000's I preferred WSBK over MotoGP. This was the Doohan era and he cleaned house by a big margin. Only Criville could hang with him now and then whilst over at WSBK there were some talented guys like Slight, Gobert, Fogarty, Haga, Edwards etc although I still maintain the Ducati's had an unfair advantage.

Why do you believe the Ducatis had an unfair advantage during that era?

Much was made over the fact that the Dukes were "only" twins, and so more cc's were granted them as well as being able to use a full factory crank assembly.
That is why till today I do not like Ducatiís but will cheer on Aprilia in MotoGP.
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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2021, 09:45:13 am »
They even called it the Ducati cup in jest
 

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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2021, 10:01:22 am »
SBK rules have always been:

1000cc class:  1000cc/4 or 1100cc/3 or 1200cc/2 
600 class: 600cc/4 or 675cc/3 or 750cc/2

Over the years various restrictions were imposed on various manufacturers.  Case in point was the rev limit rule brought in a year or two ago that was used on both Kawasaki and Ducati in recent time, or even air intake restrictions on Ducati during Troy Bayliss era.  Personally, I feel a manufacturer studies the rules and react accordingly.  To be angry with Ducati because they got the best out of the rules makes little sense to me.  At present, Kawasaki is always one step ahead due to their brilliant interpretation of the current homologation special rules.

That said, I believe the problem with road bike racing is a a problem because they allow certain mods or rule changes to ensure bigger fields.  We already see that the Supersport300 are mostly 400s and even the odd 500.  Yes, they do get restricted, but how effective is that?
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2021, 10:03:09 am »
SBK rules have always been:

1000cc class:  1000cc/4 or 1100cc/3 or 1200cc/2 
600 class: 600cc/4 or 675cc/3 or 750cc/2

Over the years various restrictions were imposed on various manufacturers.  Case in point was the rev limit rule brought in a year or two ago that was used on both Kawasaki and Ducati in recent time, or even air intake restrictions on Ducati during Troy Bayliss era.  Personally, I feel a manufacturer studies the rules and react accordingly.  To be angry with Ducati because they got the best out of the rules makes little sense to me.  At present, Kawasaki is always one step ahead due to their brilliant interpretation of the current homologation special rules.

There are RPM limits imposed at times too...
 

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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2021, 10:06:53 am »
SBK rules have always been:

1000cc class:  1000cc/4 or 1100cc/3 or 1200cc/2 
600 class: 600cc/4 or 675cc/3 or 750cc/2

Over the years various restrictions were imposed on various manufacturers.  Case in point was the rev limit rule brought in a year or two ago that was used on both Kawasaki and Ducati in recent time, or even air intake restrictions on Ducati during Troy Bayliss era.  Personally, I feel a manufacturer studies the rules and react accordingly.  To be angry with Ducati because they got the best out of the rules makes little sense to me.  At present, Kawasaki is always one step ahead due to their brilliant interpretation of the current homologation special rules.

There are RPM limits imposed at times too...

Yep.  It was what I was referring to above.  The first year the Ducati V4 appeared in WSBK it cleaned up.  Then .... revs limited.  The previous year Kawasaki was rev limited, but handled it beter.
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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2021, 10:11:34 am »
SBK rules have always been:

1000cc class:  1000cc/4 or 1100cc/3 or 1200cc/2 
600 class: 600cc/4 or 675cc/3 or 750cc/2

Over the years various restrictions were imposed on various manufacturers.  Case in point was the rev limit rule brought in a year or two ago that was used on both Kawasaki and Ducati in recent time, or even air intake restrictions on Ducati during Troy Bayliss era.  Personally, I feel a manufacturer studies the rules and react accordingly.  To be angry with Ducati because they got the best out of the rules makes little sense to me.  At present, Kawasaki is always one step ahead due to their brilliant interpretation of the current homologation special rules.

There are RPM limits imposed at times too...

Yep.  It was what I was referring to above.  The first year the Ducati V4 appeared in WSBK it cleaned up.  Then .... revs limited.  The previous year Kawasaki was rev limited, but handled it beter.

I didn't read that part..... Oops!  :peepwall:
 

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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2021, 10:17:15 am »
SBK rules have always been:

1000cc class:  1000cc/4 or 1100cc/3 or 1200cc/2 
600 class: 600cc/4 or 675cc/3 or 750cc/2

Over the years various restrictions were imposed on various manufacturers.  Case in point was the rev limit rule brought in a year or two ago that was used on both Kawasaki and Ducati in recent time, or even air intake restrictions on Ducati during Troy Bayliss era.  Personally, I feel a manufacturer studies the rules and react accordingly.  To be angry with Ducati because they got the best out of the rules makes little sense to me.  At present, Kawasaki is always one step ahead due to their brilliant interpretation of the current homologation special rules.

There are RPM limits imposed at times too...

Yep.  It was what I was referring to above.  The first year the Ducati V4 appeared in WSBK it cleaned up.  Then .... revs limited.  The previous year Kawasaki was rev limited, but handled it beter.

I didn't read that part..... Oops!  :peepwall:
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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2021, 09:23:24 am »
Late 90's and 2000's I preferred WSBK over MotoGP. This was the Doohan era and he cleaned house by a big margin. Only Criville could hang with him now and then whilst over at WSBK there were some talented guys like Slight, Gobert, Fogarty, Haga, Edwards etc although I still maintain the Ducati's had an unfair advantage.

Same for me, I thought WSBK was much better than MotoGP. I don't know why I've changed.

I can't remember who was winning at the time but when Rea was still on his Honda, I enjoyed those years.

I just can't watch anymore with Rea running away with it. He's proved to be way better than all the rest, better bike or not, but there's something missing in WSBK, dunno what it is.

Maybe too many races on a weekend?
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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2021, 01:52:06 pm »
Superpole done, Rea sets best WSBK lap time for Aragon. Sure bet for another championship ?
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Re: WSBK 2021
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2021, 04:05:53 pm »
Steven Odendaal is the star of the day for me... SSP #1 :thumleft:

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