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Choices Choices Choices
« on: September 03, 2021, 10:36:04 pm »
So it looks like I might finally be able to buy a bike again after being without one for the last 6 years.  My previous 2 bikes were KTM 990s. I think it is safe to say I will stick to the dark side. There are (maybe) 2 other bikes (or brands) which I might consider, Triumph 800 or 900  or V strom 1050, however I very quickly come back to KTM. I guess I'm kidding myself when I think I want something different than KTM.

So to keep in mind,  my riding will be mainly on road,  seeing that I live in the Netherlands. There might be a few trails to ride,  but that might be once or twice a year. 

Bikes are also really expensive here,  so finding a good deal is really hard.  Nevertheless,  I found 2 which looks like relatively ok deals. Two different bikes and almost a for complete different purpose.

I really like this 1290,  should be good for winter riding and weather protection

KTM 1290 SUPER ADVENTURE S (bj 2018)
€ 15.490,00
https://link.marktplaats.nl/m1745620624?utm_source=android_social&utm_content=vip&utm_medium=android_social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons

But also really like this 1090. This will save a lot of money.  I just wonder if I will regret not getting a 1290.

I've not ridden either one yet, so still need to see how they feel.

KTM 1090 ADVENTURE R (bj 2019)
€ 12.999,00
https://link.marktplaats.nl/m1740464849?utm_source=android_social&utm_content=vip&utm_medium=android_social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons

Anyone with some useful feedback who may have owned both?

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Re: Choices Choices Choices
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2021, 10:45:30 pm »
Can I add a bike to your list?

If your mainly gonna focus on road riding with the occasional dirt road, why not consider the ktm 1050 also.  Great looking bike and would serve your purpose well. The 1090 replaced the 1050. The 1090 is a lot more off-road biased.

But I think you mentioned its difficult finding bikes. So I don't know how deep your research went.
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2021, 11:16:27 pm »
You don't really see the 1050 here. Or at least I haven't found anything worthwhile.

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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2021, 07:12:38 pm »
So I had a look at the 1090. Haven't taken it for a ride yet as my son was with me. It does remind me a lot of the 990. I'm sure a completely different bike though.

Without riding and purely on gut feeling, probably leaning towards the 1290. Luckily no issues with height on the 1090. Was just about flat footed.

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Re: Choices Choices Choices
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2021, 09:49:25 pm »
I haven't been here long, but if I was buying again, I'd buy neither.

I can't really say much more. I'd be looking at a 250/300/500 max ..................

I see no reason to own a 1290 car in the Netherlands, never mind a bike.

However, I've seen LOTS of bikes where I live ..............mostly big bikes, all kitted up and all going fast, Germany being about 5km away.

AND the bikes are mostly big, I've no idea why?

I have no interest in bringing my 950 here, other than to travel outside the Netherlands ............... But, maybe, that's what you're after too ..............................  :thumleft:

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2021, 04:47:44 pm »
I went back to the dealer to take the 1090 for a ride,  but it was sold. 
Instead,  I took a yamaha T7 for a ride.  Nice enough bike,  quite tall, sounds nice, nice and easy in the corners.  It did however leave me underwhelmed.  A bit revvy and not as smooth as I thought it would be.  It was running at 5k revs doing 100km/h. Don't think I would enjoy it on a long ride. The seat was also rather hard.

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Re: Choices Choices Choices
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2021, 08:44:46 pm »
if you enjoy power, there are very few bikes better than the 1290 - that motor is amazing! and mine has been super reliable for 6 years now..... longest I've kept a bike
 

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2021, 09:41:12 pm »
if you enjoy power, there are very few bikes better than the 1290 - that motor is amazing! and mine has been super reliable for 6 years now..... longest I've kept a bike
I think this will be the most likely choice for me.  What I might do though is also take the 890 for a ride before riding the 1290.
I know completely different bikes,  but just to see how it fits with meand the power might just be enough. Only thing would be weather protection riding in European winter.
Luckily the 890 also comes out with heated grips and seat as standard.

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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2021, 10:05:03 pm »
my friend in Germany bought a 1190s. uses it for commuting and touring, he said its the best bike he ever owned. Also have a Africa twin and T7.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2021, 02:49:09 am »
Copied and pasted my comment on the T7 thread, to Pumba's experience with the T7.

"T7s are extremely popular here in SA.

Riders who own them are gravel focused.

Mine cruises easily at 140/150 km/h.

It does more than 180km/h indicated.

I don't look at the revs, only listen to the sweet sound of the motor.

For high speed relaxed tar touring, there are many more suitable options."

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Re: Choices Choices Choices
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2021, 07:28:29 am »
Have not owned either…

But if your blood runs Orange, then, welll…

I too think the 1090 (or even a 1050) would suit a lot of your needs, so maybe consider using the savingoffered by the 1090 over the1290?

I mean, over-the-border touring n Germany and beyond, that1090is MORE than enough….

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Re: Choices Choices Choices
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2021, 08:13:54 am »
if you are not going to do serious technical stuff also consider this bike.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2021, 09:07:09 am »
if you are not going to do serious technical stuff also consider this bike.
There are so many other good bikes,  that's for sure.  My problem is that every time I think that I should also try a different brand,  then the orange devil jumps on my shoulder and says...... but that's not a KTM.

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2021, 09:09:20 am »
I know that voice.... :lol8:
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2021, 10:05:08 am »
Luckily the 890 also comes out with heated grips and seat as standard.

Definitely not, at least not here!
Never even heard of a heated seat so btw....
The 890 Rally has cruise control (ridiculous yeah...), and that's it!
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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2021, 10:13:02 am »
Luckily the 890 also comes out with heated grips and seat as standard.

Definitely not, at least not here!
Never even heard of a heated seat so btw....
The 890 Rally has cruise control (ridiculous yeah...), and that's it!
Seems to be a thing here

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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2021, 10:19:05 am »
"soepele besturing"   :lol8: :imaposer: :laughing4:

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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2021, 06:35:36 pm »
I love the "In Winkelwagen" thing .............. just add how many you want, press the button and they'll be waiting for you when you get home from work.
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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2021, 06:56:45 pm »
my friend in Germany bought a 1190s. uses it for commuting and touring, he said its the best bike he ever owned. Also have a Africa twin and T7.
I bought exactly that model 1190S in 2013 when they launched and replaced with 1290T when they launched in 2015 - had to put down R100k to do it, but haven't ever been sorry - the 1290 motor is just so much better in my view - have had 1190 as loan when I service mine and gets confirmed every time
 

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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2021, 09:40:42 pm »
So my saga continues.

Today I went to ride the 890, 890R and 1290R. Unfortunately the 890R demo got sold yesterday so couldn't ride that one.  They will have another demo ready next weekend,  so booked in to ride it on Friday.

The 1290R is 2018 model with 12500km on the clock.  Fitted with Akro and the tech pack.  That means quick shifter and a few other things.

The 890 adventure is a 2021 with 250km on the clock.  Also had the tech pack activated with quick shifter.

I went out on the 890 first. First impression compared to the yamaha T7. The bike fits me so much better.  You sit in the bike instead of on it.  Height is not an issue as I'm 189cm. They weight on the 890 is so much better with lower weight distribution.  The gearbox is miles apart.  The yamaha was rather clunky,  this was sooooo smooth.  The quick shifter is also very nice and makes for a very quick getaway. The 890 felt very familiar,  almost just like a modern 990. It was very responsive in corners and easy to ride. For me,  the T7 is no match compared to the 890 for rideability. The only downside at this stage would be the screen and wind protection. I would definitely have to do something with that.  Its not too bad, but not great either. The power on the 890 is plenty,  I think more enough for all types of riding here.  Certainly enough to have to really hold on tight when quick shifting.

Riding the 1290R, to me a big difference in weight and obviously size. There is obviously a big power difference, but I kept asking myself when (or can I) really use this. I'm no Rossi and certainly not a spead freak. The ride was very good,  also nice in the corners although not as easy as the 890. Bit more to heavy. Wind protection obviously better but not as much as I would've expected. It had a higher screen and not just the standard R screen. I didn't play around with adjustments on the screen,  so that could definitely change it a lot.  You can't fault the engine and gearbox. Very smooth and easy on the throttle. One noticeable thing from the engine is the heat. I could certainly feel all of it. 

I think I'm a bit confused at the moment to be honest.  I like both probably the same.  I almost feel like the 890 would suit me better for some reason.  It will be interesting to see what the 890R feels like when I ride it next weekend.

Price wise,  this is the situation
1290R with akro, crash bars,  centre stand and tech pack is €16k. 3 month dealer warranty on delivery.

890 adventure demo model.  2021 with 250km on the clock. RRP is €15700 base price. This one had tech pack on worth 900, so that makes it €16600. They will sell it to me for €14250. That's a very decent price.

890R, RRP is €16900 for a new model. They will sell a new one to me for €16000 and charge half the price for the tech pack. So that will be 16450.

For both 890s I will then have to get a few extras is I want to or need to, heated grips and seat,  crash bar and centre stand.  That will be about another 500 or 1000. I previously thought three gross and heated seat was standard,  but that is not the case.

I somehow think the demo deal is too good to let go. I'm so confused!!


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