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Offline Willehond

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KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« on: November 29, 2010, 09:48:30 pm »
Tha Dogs opinions - Tall order:

I am going to have to travel 900km every weekend ( 450 Fridays, 450 Sundays ). This is due to my job situation and could continue for years. No pillion, but luggage. The type of riding would include roughly equal amounts of: congested highway, highway and busy, twisty, potholed, (mountain) country roads full of big trucks, taxis, animals, pedestrians.

I am 1.65m, 76kg without riding kit.

I would like a bike, which can handle all the above, plus fulfill the role of a good DS bike. The distance involved and power required to overtake, precludes the use of a single IMO. I prefer light, powerful, maneuverable, with a reasonable level of comfort.

I have done a bit of homework and have read the threads on the 990/950 and the 800GS. Concerns: KTM - running costs of 990 ( services, parts, etc. ) BMW - Poor, non adjustable front fork / suspension on 800GS, fuel pumps, oil sweating, etc. etc. Does anyone know, whether the suspension has been sorted on the 2011 model?

NB. I prefer to only see the dealer for normal servicing, not troubleshooting. By that time, I am not interested in nice service, nor fancy coffee! ( I am miles away from dealers, so it is a serious inconvenience anyway )

Any info, advice would be welcome.

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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2010, 09:50:45 pm »
990....no question, more expensive to run but more fun...
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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2010, 09:55:42 pm »
My heart is sort of set on the 990, but I would like to keep an open mind.
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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2010, 10:02:10 pm »
The KTM just has so much more character!
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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2010, 10:04:30 pm »
If your hart is sort of set on the 990, buy it.
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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2010, 10:20:16 pm »
990....no question, more expensive to run but more fun...

Which KTM dealers would you guys recommend in Gauteng?
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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2010, 12:06:49 am »
For the open road like that and to put so many km's on, I would suggest you also look at the 1200 GS. Better long distance tourer than the KTM IMHO.

The engine on the BMW 1200 can handle more KM's as well with less going wrong.

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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2010, 01:28:01 am »
For the open road like that and to put so many km's on, I would suggest you also look at the 1200 GS. Better long distance tourer than the KTM IMHO.

The engine on the BMW 1200 can handle more KM's as well with less going wrong.

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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2010, 07:22:34 am »
There will never be a "correct" answer to your question. Ride the bikes that you're considering and go with the one that feels right!
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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2010, 07:27:39 am »
For the open road like that and to put so many km's on, I would suggest you also look at the 1200 GS. Better long distance tourer than the KTM IMHO.

The engine on the BMW 1200 can handle more KM's as well with less going wrong.

My 2 cents
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+2 or as a second option the 800GS. Will be lighter on fuel and generally cheaper to run. Service intervalls alone are 3000km longer and you wont go through as many rear tyres  :mwink:
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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2010, 08:11:06 am »
Ride the 990, 1200GS and the 800.
That will give you good idea of what kind of bike you like.

Keep in mind that it sounds like are gonna do a lot of km's. 1200GS's normally can do a lot more km without major problems.
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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2010, 08:13:04 am »
For the open road like that and to put so many km's on, I would suggest you also look at the 1200 GS. Better long distance tourer than the KTM IMHO.

The engine on the BMW 1200 can handle more KM's as well with less going wrong.

My 2 cents

I rode a 2006 1200 GS for a while. It would be a good choice, but is heavy in the DS role for a guy with my build.
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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2010, 08:20:44 am »
For the open road like that and to put so many km's on, I would suggest you also look at the 1200 GS. Better long distance tourer than the KTM IMHO.

The engine on the BMW 1200 can handle more KM's as well with less going wrong.

My 2 cents

I rode a 2006 1200 GS for a while. It would be a good choice, but is heavy in the DS role for a guy with my build.

1200 and 990 weigh's about the same. The 800 is 15kg lighter.
Go ride a 800, people have complaint about the front suspension. Mine has 3000km on now, mostly offroad and dirt and I have not botton my suspension once.
The're no changes to the front suspension on the 2011 bike. But the leaky head and coolent problem seems to be the 2008 and 2009 models mostly.
And if you buy new you get a full warranty. Not to bash KTM but I think a BMW warranty is worth a little more.
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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2010, 08:23:46 am »
+2 or as a second option the 800GS. Will be lighter on fuel and generally cheaper to run. Service intervalls alone are 3000km longer and you wont go through as many rear tyres  :mwink:

+1, but note my concerns with the 800GS in the original post
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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2010, 08:26:41 am »
Are you going to be buying new or 2nd hand?
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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2010, 08:27:08 am »
You can always fit after market springs to a BM 800 for just over R2000 makes all the diference, not everyone sets up adjustable suspension correctly anyway. Have you consider the 1200 Yamaha
 

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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2010, 08:28:27 am »
1200gsa. The thing i picked up is that my ktm at slow speeds feels heavier due to the fact that its so high. You arent that tall so may also be an issue for you. For those kind of miles i would have gone for the 1200gsa for service's etc. I love my ktm but there is a big differance in comfort. Go ride both on the same day and you will feel the differance and not talking about round the block try and go for 2/3 hour ride on both.

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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2010, 08:29:31 am »
Are you going to be buying new or 2nd hand?

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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2010, 08:33:14 am »
+2 or as a second option the 800GS. Will be lighter on fuel and generally cheaper to run. Service intervalls alone are 3000km longer and you wont go through as many rear tyres  :mwink:

+1, but note my concerns with the 800GS in the original post

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Re: KTM 990Adv vs BMW F800GS vs whatever
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2010, 08:34:51 am »
The front suspension on the 800 is really not that bad. I have done 30000 + and have never bottomed out, not even when going to the Molopo, Bray etc loaded with 57 Kg's worth of luggage on the bike.
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