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Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« on: November 28, 2011, 09:01:49 am »
Mali kidnap: wife devastated
November 28 2011 at 07:41am
By SHAIN GERMANER

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Motorcycling across Africa was going to be his last epic trip. He was ready to settle down, start a family, and take over his father’s business. It was just one last adventure – another item to strike off the bucket list.

But days after arriving in Mali last week, the South African man, 37, was taken captive with two friends at gunpoint in the capital Timbuktu.

The man’s family have not heard anything from the him in the two days since reports of the attack.

His wife arrived in Gauteng on Sunday. “She’s putting on a brave face – we all are – but she’s devastated,” said the man’s distraught father.

The family have been advised by hostage negotiators not to reveal the man’s name, for his own safety.

The International Relations Department was waiting for news from Mali’s government and the South African embassy on the captives’ whereabouts.

The man’s father said on Sunday he had last spoken to his son on Thursday, the night before the kidnapping.

After years of living in England, the man was making his way across Africa to South Africa.

Travelling south from Timbuktu, he was due home in a few weeks.

He was travelling with two friends – one Dutch and the other Swedish.

Speaking on Skype on Thursday, the man told his father civil unrest in Timbuktu was “getting out of hand”, and it was time for the group to leave Mali as soon as possible.

But less than 24 hours later, the man and his two friends were reported missing, after an incident near their campsite that left another German national dead.

Associated Press reported that the travellers were at a Timbuktu restaurant when a group of gunmen burst in, taking four tourists and killing the German when he refused to climb into their truck. “They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time,” said the man’s father.

The identities of three of the kidnapped men are known to the authorities, but because of the sensitive nature of the incident, have not been revealed. No personal details on the fourth tourist have emerged.

Canadian tourist Julie-Ann Leblond said she met the South African, a Swede and a Dutch couple in Mali. They invited her to join them as they headed to Timbuktu. But she took ill and stayed behind in Bamako.

“I was never so happy to get a cold,” said Leblond, 25, from Quebec City.

Despite having ransomed dozens of tourists visiting Mali since 2003, the al-Qaeda branch in the country has not claimed responsibility for the kidnappings. Mali, which borders Algeria, established democracy in 1992, and has had to deal with cross-border banditry and terrorism that have involved numerous kidnappings.

Department of International Relations spokesman Clayson Monyela said it remained unclear who kidnapped the men and why.

The man’s father said the family had been briefed by top SAPS hostage negotiators and told to maintain “a low profile” as too much information in the public domain could jeopardise the case.

The families of the Swedish and Dutch men had reportedly been contacted regarding ransoms. “But we haven’t heard a thing. We were told it could be up to three months before we’re contacted. It may be to put us under pressure, said the father.

International Relations had been working to get information on the man’s whereabouts, Monyela said. - The Star
 

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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2011, 09:07:26 am »
This very sad news, strongs to the families.

I really hope this ends well.
 

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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2011, 09:11:15 am »
I have to believe that this will end well.
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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2011, 09:19:27 am »
It probably will for the kidnappers. Money in pocket and no chance ever being brought to justice.
I do hope though that there is a "willingness" by Mali government to engage and solve this sad drama. If you look at other kidnappings then very little effort by powers that be to engage these parasites unfortunately.

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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2011, 09:21:39 am »
One has to hope. Bad news for riding there :(
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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2011, 09:23:15 am »
One has to hope. Bad news for riding there :(
Anywhere north of the Equator is going to get worse and worse for traveling. :-[
 

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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 09:44:15 am »
Seriously crap
Thinking of the poor familie, hope it ends well


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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2011, 09:49:32 am »
northern africa is really becoming a shithole

Good luck to the hostages and their families!
Hope it all turns out well
 

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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2011, 09:57:32 am »
Wonder how long before the south catches on there is money to be made from these soft targets.
Hope it gets erradicated before it migrates south but............ :patch:

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northern africa is really becoming a shithole

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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2011, 09:59:54 am »
must say that i've often wondered why this kind of this does not happen more often..I mean, it's Africa! those guys are stuck in poverty and here we come riding through there impoverished towns with R200k bikes. But yah, nothern Africa I would have guessed is worse...Nigeria is there...  :peepwall:
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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2011, 10:19:59 am »
As sad and scary as it is this happens all over the world.

Wishing ever one involved the best
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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2011, 10:20:19 am »
Wonder how long before the south catches on there is money to be made from these soft targets.
Hope it gets erradicated before it migrates south but............ :patch:

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northern africa is really becoming a shithole

Good luck to the hostages and their families!
Hope it all turns out well

This was bound to happen and it will spread. >:(
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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2011, 10:52:59 am »
I just saw this on the front page of the paper.. what a fantastic way to advertise that it is open season on kidnapping bikers.

I think back to my africa trip and you are so vunerable, you rely on the locals for information and on many occasion you trust them to give you food and drinks, accomodation and directions, you rely on them. If this had to change it would change the way people rid etheir bikes through other countries.

It is potentially a very sad state of affairs for future riders.

Hope this situation gets resolved without anyone getting hurt

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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2011, 10:59:53 am »
Very Sad news....I am planning a trip in 3years time....hopefully it is sorted by then :thumleft: :thumleft:
 

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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2011, 11:24:56 am »
If the Mali gov. doesn't step in to help rescue the situation, the future of turism looks bleek. Not just bikers - kidnapping doesn't discriminate; truck drivers, journalists, helpers and the like are all candidates.

They're shitting on their own doorstep. Bad new travels fast.
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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2011, 11:41:34 am »
The world should put tough sanctions on the run down african country and those surrounding them,hopefully the people will realise what little the were making to survive is gone and the go on a revolt to rid themselves of the dictators and corruption.
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2011, 11:53:37 am »
I don't think they will be worried about sanctions. They have got the bleeding hearts western world by the balls. If they stop aid/handouts then the western world is "responsible" for the old and babies starving. The western world has got no idea how to exit this scenario without losing the moral high ground. They realise by now throwing money and food at the problem is not helping the real needy on the ground much, instead lining the pockets of some very cruel bastards.

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The world should put tough sanctions on the run down african country and those surrounding them,hopefully the people will realise what little the were making to survive is gone and the go on a revolt to rid themselves of the dictators and corruption.
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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2011, 11:55:39 am »
I have to believe that this will end well.


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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2011, 12:19:09 pm »
The problem is that if bikers are seen to become soft targets while travelling solo through Africa it will spread like wild fire as the police force in many of these countries are pretty flimsy at best. When my mates tank bag got stolen in Tanzania we had to go to the police station on our bikes and give the police lifts to where they needed to go as they had zero mode of transport, if we got held up 10km out of town there would be no help coming for us.. it is a very scary thought.

So now bikers will have to use Tour operators and travel in groups which will put a load of pressure on them to ensure their clients saftey.. a kidnapping would be the end of a bike tour companies business.

The seriousness of this event is still to be realised.
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Re: Biker kidnapped - end of a travelling era in Africa?
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2011, 12:41:46 pm »
That is Kak for the dude an his family. Hope it turns out ok.
But is this bad news for all bikers telling through Africa?
Not yet me thinks

There's a reason most travelers stick to eastern Africa. It's safer