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Offline Duke916

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Tried the throttle exercise as per your video on my 07 GSA but I only get a very slight hesitation before she settles again  ??? My idle speed seems to be sligtly higher than yours , or is it mostly a 10 up problem  ???
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Tried the throttle exercise as per your video on my 07 GSA but I only get a very slight hesitation before she settles again  ??? My idle speed seems to be sligtly higher than yours , or is it mostly a 10 up problem  ???

Yup, on my 07 GS I also only manage to experience a slight uneven idle but nothing like on the later DOHC models I have tried this on.
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SO here's the kark starting to hit the fan with the BMW's.

BMW apparently remap the bikes that are given to the media as Press-bikes!

"with more peak power and less torque (as many journalists seem to prefer) than the showroom model"

This is absolutely tantamount to false advertising and fraud imo. How the hell can they do that - expect the media to give an honest opinion and getting thousands of us plebs to buy a farking bike based on the media's view of a bike that's NOT available to the public off the showroom floor!

 :patch: :patch: :patch: :patch: :patch:

THIS is just unbelievable!!!!!


read here how Triumph have blatently accused BMW and has all the info and proof to back their claims. They have gone in a straight battle with BMW saying that their bikes outperform the GS's.

http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/triumph-tiger-explorer-review

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Saw the graph for the Triumph the other day on the Dyno day and its true  :xxbah:
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Geez, you BM okes put up with a lot of shit on your amazingly expensive bikes!  From the issues in this thread, to rattling clusters,  to hundreds of ridiculously expensive Touratech and/or other little covers, screens, protectors, glare reducers, etc, to make a supposedly "adventure" bike tough, or I guess, adventure proof?  I can only smile.   

Okay sorry, not most of the guys on this forum, but many, many outside of this forum. I guess that's the guys who only ride BMs for the image.

For the rest of you, keep giving BMW hell... And/Or switch to S10, Explorer or the like.

Sorry, I just had to get that in. A bit of a facetious stab I know, so take it with a pinch of salt from a guy who would love to own an expensive luxury jirman bike...okay, maybe not. Sorry, I just cannot stop! :-)
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Geez, you BM okes put up with a lot of shit on your amazingly expensive bikes!  From the issues in this thread, to rattling clusters,  to hundreds of ridiculously expensive Touratech and/or other little covers, screens, protectors, glare reducers, etc, to make a supposedly "adventure" bike tough, or I guess, adventure proof?  I can only smile.   

Okay sorry, not most of the guys on this forum, but many, many outside of this forum. I guess that's the guys who only ride BMs for the image.

For the rest of you, keep giving BMW hell... And/Or switch to S10, Explorer or the like.

Sorry, I just had to get that in. A bit of a facetious stab I know, so take it with a pinch of salt from a guy who would love to own an expensive luxury jirman bike...okay, maybe not. Sorry, I just cannot stop! :-)
I do not believe all the GS bikes have these issues. Maybe seems like a lot of problem bikes but percentage wise I think it is only a small percentage with issues....
 

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Geez, you BM okes put up with a lot of shit on your amazingly expensive bikes!  From the issues in this thread, to rattling clusters,  to hundreds of ridiculously expensive Touratech and/or other little covers, screens, protectors, glare reducers, etc, to make a supposedly "adventure" bike tough, or I guess, adventure proof?  I can only smile.   

Okay sorry, not most of the guys on this forum, but many, many outside of this forum. I guess that's the guys who only ride BMs for the image.

For the rest of you, keep giving BMW hell... And/Or switch to S10, Explorer or the like.

Sorry, I just had to get that in. A bit of a facetious stab I know, so take it with a pinch of salt from a guy who would love to own an expensive luxury jirman bike...okay, maybe not. Sorry, I just cannot stop! :-)
I do not believe all the GS bikes have these issues. Maybe seems like a lot of problem bikes but percentage wise I think it is only a small percentage with issues....

Brandt, is it not that people are actually unaware that there is an issue, rather than there is no issue? For example, I have had the pinging, misfire, backfire, cut-out issue and it was sorted to a greater degree by BMW - I assumed my problem was an issolated incident, only to find some time later that this is more comman than people realise! I havn't had my bike dyno'd, but the info that has lcome out recently certainly points to the fact that all is not well?
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Geez, you BM okes put up with a lot of shit on your amazingly expensive bikes!  From the issues in this thread, to rattling clusters,  to hundreds of ridiculously expensive Touratech and/or other little covers, screens, protectors, glare reducers, etc, to make a supposedly "adventure" bike tough, or I guess, adventure proof?  I can only smile.   

Okay sorry, not most of the guys on this forum, but many, many outside of this forum. I guess that's the guys who only ride BMs for the image.

For the rest of you, keep giving BMW hell... And/Or switch to S10, Explorer or the like.

Sorry, I just had to get that in. A bit of a facetious stab I know, so take it with a pinch of salt from a guy who would love to own an expensive luxury jirman bike...okay, maybe not. Sorry, I just cannot stop! :-)
I do not believe all the GS bikes have these issues. Maybe seems like a lot of problem bikes but percentage wise I think it is only a small percentage with issues....

Brandt, is it not that people are actually unaware that there is an issue, rather than there is no issue? For example, I have had the pinging, misfire, backfire, cut-out issue and it was sorted to a greater degree by BMW - I assumed my problem was an issolated incident, only to find some time later that this is more comman than people realise! I havn't had my bike dyno'd, but the info that has lcome out recently certainly points to the fact that all is not well?


I have in fact had someone ask me... "what is pinging.... or pre-detonation?"  once I explained and they switched their music off in the helmet... they too heard it, but indicated that they did in fact query the rattle and was told it's normal...  ???

So just as with cars - there might well be quite a few that are not even aware of the problem..... and accept what the BMW-gods tell them without questioning. Case in point would be to ask even our forum members - how many of them know about A/F ratios etc. This forum is extremely informative and the collective knowledge and know-how is invaluable......
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...this is more comman than people realise!

You said it!  :evil5:
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I seem to have sorted this problem out by adding a little "Spitfire" octane booster to the petrol. About 1/4 of a bottle per tank of 95 octane or 1/3 of a bottle for 93 octane per tankful.
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Hi Candyman_ZA,

Let me start by saying I feel your pain!

I am also like you on my 3rd 1200GS, 2007GS, 2010GS and now 2011GSA. With my 2007 there were no pinging/knocking/pre-ignition issues but then I got the oppertunity to upgrade to a 2010 twincam for a good price and I took it.

I experienced the EXACT same symtoms you so accurately described with the 2010 and eventually on the advise of Auto Alpina changed it for a brand new 2011GSA which...............wait for it does the exact same thing!!!! Suprise!!!!!
I searched high and low, trauled all the forums and tried everything, I even spent the 10K and installed the full Dynojet power commander V system and although it made an improvement it still carries the same symptoms!

My bike is sitting on 7800km and therefore have not had its 10k service yet but I doubt BMW Germany would have come to our rescue here in deepest darkest Africa and supply us with mapping software that actually works with our poor fuel quality and environmental conditions!

Nevertheless should you need another comrade to fight the good fight with I am here for you!

PS:To all the members that wanted to advise me to remove the PC before the 10k service.....I know I have to remove the power commander before the service to avoid voiding my warantee! But thanks anyway!

Let me know if you are successfull.

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Let me know if you are successfull.

Hi JP, I am making progress with this matter, it is slow going but I am getting there, the AA and the NCC (National Consumer Protection) have confirmed they have received my complaint and are investigating.

Can I ask you to subscribe to the BMW Club Cape forum and post this same feedback on there, I know BMW SA are following that discussion?

http://bmwmotorcycleclubcape.co.za/2011-r1200gsa-misfire-or-stall

thank you
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Let me know if you are successfull.

Hi JP, I am making progress with this matter, it is slow going but I am getting there, the AA and the NCC (National Consumer Protection) have confirmed they have received my complaint and are investigating.

Can I ask you to subscribe to the BMW Club Cape forum and post this same feedback on there, I know BMW SA are following that discussion?

http://bmwmotorcycleclubcape.co.za/2011-r1200gsa-misfire-or-stall

thank you
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Specs for the 2013 F700GS and F800GS on Touratech website

http://www.touratech-usa.com/Adventure/Blog/tfMntL/BMW-Unveils-Restyled-F800GS-F700GS

Notice the optional fuel mapping - Engine map adjustment for regular fuel (RON 91)

Why is this option only available in the USA?  >:(
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Specs for the 2013 F700GS and F800GS on Touratech website

http://www.touratech-usa.com/Adventure/Blog/tfMntL/BMW-Unveils-Restyled-F800GS-F700GS

Notice the optional fuel mapping - Engine map adjustment for regular fuel (RON 91)

Why is this option only available in the USA?  >:(

Firstly because the USA's Consumer Law actually has the public's interest at heart and they will fight for the client.......... secondly - the "Optional Fuel mapping"  was in fact on the SA Brochures as well..........  (unless it's now been removed)
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Hi Candyman_ZA,

Let me start by saying I feel your pain!

I am also like you on my 3rd 1200GS, 2007GS, 2010GS and now 2011GSA. With my 2007 there were no pinging/knocking/pre-ignition issues but then I got the oppertunity to upgrade to a 2010 twincam for a good price and I took it.

I experienced the EXACT same symtoms you so accurately described with the 2010 and eventually on the advise of Auto Alpina changed it for a brand new 2011GSA which...............wait for it does the exact same thing!!!! Suprise!!!!!
I searched high and low, trauled all the forums and tried everything, I even spent the 10K and installed the full Dynojet power commander V system and although it made an improvement it still carries the same symptoms!

My bike is sitting on 7800km and therefore have not had its 10k service yet but I doubt BMW Germany would have come to our rescue here in deepest darkest Africa and supply us with mapping software that actually works with our poor fuel quality and environmental conditions!

Nevertheless should you need another comrade to fight the good fight with I am here for you!

PS:To all the members that wanted to advise me to remove the PC before the 10k service.....I know I have to remove the power commander before the service to avoid voiding my warantee! But thanks anyway!

Let me know if you are successfull.

Cheers.

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Any update Candyman?
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Any update Candyman?

Sorry, not yet, the case is with the NCC (National Complaints Commission) and the MIO (Motoring Industry Ombudsman of SA). The MIO sent BMW SA an email on the 9th of July giving them "14 working days as from tomorrow to help resolve this matter". BMW SA responded on the 16th of July, to which I responded the same day. I have had no further response despite repeated follow-ups to the MIO. I would love to let you know what :bs: BMW responded with  :deal:

I do not want to jeopardize this case as it clearly states in the MIO Dispute Resolution Procedure the following,
http://www.miosa.co.za/MIO%20Dispute%20Resolution%20Procedures.htm :deal:
"(xiii) No party shall make any press release or any media announcement of any nature whatsoever from date of dispute declaration until the date when the MIO finalises the dispute resolution process and has advised the parties of its decision and recommendations in writing."

Be patient, I am... :sip:

EDIT: If other readers and R1200GS owners also experiencing these pinging/knocking/pre-ignition/detonation or poor throttle response issues would like to lodge a complaint with the MIO, here is the link, their service is free :deal:
http://www.miosa.co.za/Application.htm
If this is too much effort then just post your experience in this thread, I would like to hear from you.


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i have a 1200 GSA and when i start it in the morning it idles for about a minute and then dies then when trying to start it again it starts but then idles erraticly and then dies. it keeps going on like that for about 5 times and must rev it the whole time for it to get better? is this the same symtoms? ???