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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #80 on: August 21, 2012, 07:39:17 am »
I must say Danie makes an excellent point.

I don't condone what happened (there were signs, it seems there are rules there about disturbing the peace, whatnot & it is controlled private land in this case)

BUT

I don't buy the conservation story about riding in river beds. After all it is a just river bed. :dontknow:


Ek koop ook nie die hele storie nie. Plus iemand kom kak in sy klere oor 'n plaas wat hy 'direct interest' in het oor 'n gebeurtenis wat hy self nie eers toegeskou het nie, en nou moet daar wild dogs van die site af geban word? Pot stront as jy my vra  :peepwall:

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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #81 on: August 21, 2012, 07:39:30 am »
The knobbly imprint staus in the sand for up to 3 months, but the 5star lodge and accompanying sanitation burden is there for much longer. You think the animals do not get disturbed by the tourist's eau de cologne and sweaty socks? I completely disagree that a riverbed will suffer damage due to a motorcycle, and if the knobbly imprint is ugly to you, what sort of biker are you? :peepwall:
 

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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #82 on: August 21, 2012, 07:55:09 am »
Maybe Leo can shed some light on the issue.......is it possible that he is referring to the same group, maybe not, I don't know   ??? ???

From this thread : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=104770.0

Our visit to Bilene in July (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=103690.0 ) was so successful we dearly wanted to visit Mozambique again, so what better opportunity than a long weekend where one could be away for 4 days for just submitting one days leave.
We had a few options – the first being a trip to Kubu island in Botswana or a trip to Ponta. We had to pass Ponta during our previous visit because of diff trouble on a HP and the Kubu island trip consisted of ± 14 okes all on Katooms. No way was I going to submit myself to all that verbal abuse, so the Ponta choice was a fairly simple one.

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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #83 on: August 21, 2012, 08:02:09 am »
And still no one has come forward......
 

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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #84 on: August 21, 2012, 08:08:10 am »
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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #85 on: August 21, 2012, 08:09:45 am »
The knobbly imprint staus in the sand for up to 3 months, but the 5star lodge and accompanying sanitation burden is there for much longer. You think the animals do not get disturbed by the tourist's eau de cologne and sweaty socks? I completely disagree that a riverbed will suffer damage due to a motorcycle, and if the knobbly imprint is ugly to you, what sort of biker are you? :peepwall:

No point pissing into the wind, and trying to justify their behaviour by questioning the broken rules... there are obviously reasons for the rulz, buried hibernating frogs or fish, river banks broken down by usage contributing to erosion, etc, etc...
Fact is, we will all loose out because a few idiots can't just accept that being asked to not do something is beyond their ability... it's rude, inconsiderate, idiotical and quite frankly, not in the spirit of adventure riding!  Those kind of riders should stay in the bike parks (mx tracks).
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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #86 on: August 21, 2012, 08:39:17 am »
am i the only one that is not surprised that they all had GP number plates?  its just that when ever i go some where in Africa and there are SAFFA's fucking around and being pricks, 8 out of 10 times its vaalies.

no offence to you law abiding vaalies on here, but its just something ive notices both here and overseas.
 

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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #87 on: August 21, 2012, 08:44:51 am »
The knobbly imprint staus in the sand for up to 3 months, but the 5star lodge and accompanying sanitation burden is there for much longer. You think the animals do not get disturbed by the tourist's eau de cologne and sweaty socks? I completely disagree that a riverbed will suffer damage due to a motorcycle, and if the knobbly imprint is ugly to you, what sort of biker are you? :peepwall:


With regard to your comments regarding the lodges, remember that they have a fixed footprint and that most of them are built in an unobtrusive and ecologically-sensitive manner. In addition, the game and the overall natural environment becomes habituated to them over time.

I am an Adventure Biker who has had the opportunity and the privilege to ride many of the most beautiful routes in the Southern Africa region. I ride with consideration for- and appreciation of- the environment. I also see it as my responsibility to be a good ambassador for riders planning on embarking on future adventure trips. That's the kind of biker I see myself as.

I am sufficiently confident of my ability and my manhood, that I don't have the need to leave tyre tracks in unspoilt areas to prove anything to myself (or to others).



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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #88 on: August 21, 2012, 08:45:52 am »
am i the only one that is not surprised that they all had GP number plates?  its just that when ever i go some where in Africa and there are SAFFA's fucking around and being pricks, 8 out of 10 times its vaalies.

no offence to you law abiding vaalies on here, but its just something ive notices both here and overseas.

That's a bold statement and totally uncalled for......you may expect a lot of criticism my friend!
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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #89 on: August 21, 2012, 08:47:47 am »
am i the only one that is not surprised that they all had GP number plates?  its just that when ever i go some where in Africa and there are SAFFA's fucking around and being pricks, 8 out of 10 times its vaalies.

no offence to you law abiding vaalies on here, but its just something ive notices both here and overseas.

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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #90 on: August 21, 2012, 08:52:20 am »
am i the only one that is not surprised that they all had GP number plates?  its just that when ever i go some where in Africa and there are SAFFA's fucking around and being pricks, 8 out of 10 times its vaalies.

no offence to you law abiding vaalies on here, but its just something ive notices both here and overseas.

That's a bold statement and totally uncalled for......you may expect a lot of criticism my friend!

Much as I hate to admit it, he's probably right... funny thing is that many people I speak to from out-of-country talk about the GP idiots that seem to feel that they can do as they please.  

I was always under the impression that travel was done to expose ourselves to other peoples worlds... not take ours with and dump it on others...
There are groups of people that do that and when enough people from an area do it, then unfortunately all get painted with the same tar brush...
Think 'the Americans', perceived as loud, boisterous and obnoxious... many in Africa see the GP crowd in a similar light....
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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #91 on: August 21, 2012, 08:54:38 am »
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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #92 on: August 21, 2012, 08:59:26 am »
am i the only one that is not surprised that they all had GP number plates?  its just that when ever i go some where in Africa and there are SAFFA's fucking around and being pricks, 8 out of 10 times its vaalies.

no offence to you law abiding vaalies on here, but its just something ive notices both here and overseas.

That's a bold statement and totally uncalled for......you may expect a lot of criticism my friend!

Much as I hate to admit it, he's probably right... funny thing is that many people I speak to from out-of-country talk about the GP idiots that seem to feel that they can do as they please.  

I was always under the impression that travel was done to expose ourselves to other peoples worlds... not take ours with and dump it on others...
There are groups of people that do that and when enough people from an area do it, then unfortunately all get painted with the same tar brush...
Think 'the Americans', perceived as loud, boisterous and obnoxious... many in Africa see the GP crowd in a similar light....

It would be interesting to see if this can be substantiated with any form of proof, statistics.......probably not!!!!

If not, ........

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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #93 on: August 21, 2012, 08:59:44 am »
Apart from the fact that GP has by far the biggest population of any province, people in GP also tend to travel out of province more than others. Party because of higher incomes but also because it's a shit place to be.

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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #94 on: August 21, 2012, 09:05:46 am »
Next thing someone builds a house in Kaokoland on the banks of the Huab River and complain about the bikes passing. Jirre the things we did in that sand. If someone tell me now we fucked up the environment I would feel quite guilty.  :P

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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #95 on: August 21, 2012, 09:11:06 am »
Apart from the fact that GP has by far the biggest population of any province, people in GP also tend to travel out of province more than others. Party because of higher incomes but also because it's a shit place to be.

Fokus mense......

What's that thing again Capies tell each other when GP guys screw it up? "Money can't buy class..."  :mwink:  >:D
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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #96 on: August 21, 2012, 09:21:09 am »

Ek dink hier is 3 stories ter sprake. 2partye se weergawes en dan die WAARHEID  :pot:
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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #97 on: August 21, 2012, 09:21:33 am »
I must say Danie makes an excellent point.

I don't condone what happened (there were signs, it seems there are rules there about disturbing the peace, whatnot & it is controlled private land in this case)

BUT

I don't buy the conservation story about riding in river beds. After all it is a just river bed. :dontknow:


Just because you don't "buy" it doesn't mean it lacks merit.
The Tuli Block is experiencing a severe drought. The river beds are dry and the tyre track damage will remain in the beds for at least another 3 months. Furthermore, tyre tracks are not natural phenomina - and they can be distracting to various animals, who have a far keener sense of disruption to their environment and habitat, than we mere motorcycle riding humans do. And then, these same tyre tracks are just unsightly (not to mention unnecessary) in a pristine and unspoilt environment - and they impact on the overall appearance of the entire place.
If someone came to your home and did wheelspins on your lawn and through your garden, generally tearing up the place, could the argument not be: "Oh well, it will come right after some rain?" Yes it may, but you have to live with this until such time as it does come right. Unspoilt should remain that way.


You missed the major one - if it is private land the owners can name the conditions for entering.
Nothing else needed.

Dis is disgusting, but also (sadly) inevitable with the 'age of entitlement' and 'f everyone' attitudes that is now everywhere.

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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #98 on: August 21, 2012, 09:30:27 am »
Next thing someone builds a house in Kaokoland on the banks of the Huab River and complain about the bikes passing. Jirre the things we did in that sand. If someone tell me now we fucked up the environment I would feel quite guilty.  :P

Areas should be clearly marked if it is not accessable for bikes or vehicles. 
There ARE signs there stating the regulations.... These assholes obviously can't read either! >:(
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Re: Bad Behaviour by Adventure Bikers In Northern Tuli
« Reply #99 on: August 21, 2012, 09:41:45 am »
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