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« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2006, 01:13:06 pm »
the no-quad signs were near mariepskop.

yes the group was too big.
no, dont get me wrong, it was a blast getting to know so many like minded (and well behaved) people at once. but yes, interests do clash to a minor degree from time to time.
logistically it gets a bit much when it is time to pay for campsites, restaurants etc. Also time waiting whilst re-fuelling, shopping for supplies, and at turn-offs could have been spent stopping at scenic spots, mingling with locals, and taking more photos.
the bigger a group, the more the skill levels differ ie. the fast guys feel like theyre always waiting, and the slow guys feel like they cant keep up.

and finally (for me) it is a nightmare trying to remember so many new names and faces, although i think i got them all in the end  :lol:

i would say the optimal size for a group over a weekend like this would be 4 MAX.
 

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« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2006, 01:15:33 pm »
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Maybe Leo referred to something else?


Well that amongst other things. Gideon had planned this moerse long dirt route from Dullstroom to Lydenburg - 192 km vs 50 km on tarr. I'm sure Gideon badly wanted to do that section, but the majority opted for the fast tarr and then try a totally different rioute  8)

Also we ate in restaurant first night, while some wanted to braai or eat something /somewhere else, also had breakfast at restaurant every day, some wanted to prepare own food,
Sleep in Pelgrims, vs sleep somewhere else, etc etc.

It's just difficult as we are all individuals, each with his own likes & dislikes, so to have such a large group and please everybody all the time is nearly impossible.

That being said however I think we managed  to please most of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time!

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We saw hundreds of them. Seems like most of their tarr routes also covered the areas we were riding in.
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« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2006, 01:19:49 pm »
I think it was maybe  a bit big, but all in all worked out pretty darn well. You must expect to fit in with everyone's decisions when riding in a group, even 4 peeps would want different routes, eating etc...

I still think it was awesome....
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« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2006, 01:40:01 pm »
I'd rather go in too big a group than not at all! :P

All very valid points.

On the DR, we were 12 in our group (within the bigger group of 1000 odd).

We kept a kitty with one person responsible to pay all the fuel, camping, croceries, booze etc. Helped a lot. Budgeting beforehand with final accounting afterwards.

Also, we more often than not went our different ways, routes, playing, speed, slower riders etc. with final meet up at stop over. Worked well and most were happy. Even then still not possible to cater to all needs.

The bigger the group, the more upfront detailed planning must be done, IMO. Not only routes but logistics as well.

Cool that you guys did it first time with so many new faces and not to many frustrations.. DS family seems to make it happen easier. 8)
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« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2006, 02:28:56 pm »
On another subject, the biltong shop at Loskop was pretty cool, and it was only 975m above sea level.
On the way to Dullstroom we went over 2150m above.

Can imagine what the readings were on the rest of the jounrney.
 

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« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2006, 04:05:05 pm »
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 That being said however I think we managed  to please most of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time!



If I remember the quote correctly it was " you can fool (please) some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, which is just long enough to become President of the United States of America!"
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Cool trip, cool reports, stay cool guys, these trips are not a package holiday! Interaction and some disagreement are to be expected, so what is the issue, do the guys want a set map and a set menu, I do not think so!

What we could do better for the bigger groups (sorry I was not there) is to possibly post say camping and expected eating options earlier, this issue is seldom an issue with small groups. We even have had changes of plan on half day trips.

If there is a "kick off" meeting maybe (makes sense to me) split the bigger group into sub groups of say 3 or 4 people who want to do the same thing, restaurant versus braai camp versus hotel etc.  

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« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2006, 05:07:33 pm »
gideons route would have been cool, but none of us anticipated that we would only be ready to leave dulstroom at such a late stage of the day (probably 'cause we were so many).
i also had ideas for how the weekend should have gone down, BUT i think it unfolded even better the way it did!
i like not knowing where i'll end up tonite, and thats exactly what happened all weekend.

ps. what is ABBG?
 

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« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2006, 10:28:48 pm »
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what is ABBG?


Annual BMW Bikers Gathering.

Was held in Badplaas over the same time we did the WWR!
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« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2006, 06:41:49 am »
My idea of a trip is as follows. Every one on the trip must be self sufficient. ie have all there own kit.  An area gets chosen in which to ride. As the trip progresses the people decide on each days specific route. If you happen to not like that route decide on your own route and go that way. No-one will force you to ride a route if you dont want to. With cell phones you can also meet up later that night.

The main reason we do trips is to see this beautiful country of ours, by travelling the roads less travelled. Of course that might mean changing our plans half way thru. On a map we would see a little side road heading off our intended route. Upon seeing this road we would see it leads into a beautiful valley with lovely scenery. So the plans get changed.

We also want adventure. It is good not knowing where you will be sleeping that night.

If poeple want a trip thats more structured, may I suggest some kind of bus tour.....
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« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2006, 07:04:30 am »
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My idea of a trip is as follows. Every one on the trip must be self sufficient. ie have all there own kit.  An area gets chosen in which to ride. As the trip progresses the people decide on each days specific route. If you happen to not like that route decide on your own route and go that way. No-one will force you to ride a route if you dont want to. With cell phones you can also meet up later that night.

The main reason we do trips is to see this beautiful country of ours, by travelling the roads less travelled. Of course that might mean changing our plans half way thru. On a map we would see a little side road heading off our intended route. Upon seeing this road we would see it leads into a beautiful valley with lovely scenery. So the plans get changed.

We also want adventure. It is good not knowing where you will be sleeping that night.

If poeple want a trip thats more structured, may I suggest some kind of bus tour.....


Agreed  8)

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« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2006, 08:09:32 am »
Agree with UFUDO on that one. I kind of like the unstructured mode....
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« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2006, 08:21:03 am »
I have the smallest least comfortable bike, no mattress or rain gear, no GPS or even a map ..... I think I'm the least structured  :lol:

PS have a camera for nice piccies though  :D
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« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2006, 11:51:47 am »
All the ride outs and bike weekends I have been on we generally do our own thing and with the group as we like. If someone prefers eating breakfeast in a restuarant let them go and meet up later. We prepare our own food most of the time and nothing like a lekker braai when you camping somewhere. If it rains - nothing better than a restuarant somewhere :D

We tend do do big group offroad rides in the UK and sometimes the group splits up and sometimes they stick together. No one has to stay the whole day and if they want to go home or try another route no worries :wink:

Honest problem with some of us South-Africans we were brought up very structured and in a nearly militant way hence the reason we struggle to sometimes just go with the flow and not follow some sort of rigid plan or group (No offence if you don't fall in this category but I certainly do and have seen many SA's over here struggling to get rid of that type of mentality, not that it is a bad thing in any case)

oops nearly forgot to add this as well :oops:

You guys certainly had a great weekend away and very very jealous of the scenery and pics taken 8)
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« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2006, 01:15:38 pm »
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may I suggest some kind of bus tour.....


I agree 100%

I hated the fact that I had to rush back on Sat night as I HAD to sleep in Pelgrims  8) Made a mistake, but will rectify that on the next ride  8)

That's the problem with organizing all your accom before hand. There's no flexibility, you have to get to point B cause that's where your booking is  :twisted:

Also read somewhere someone said (Think it was JM) that a back -up vehicle is essential.
I totally disagree - where's the adventure if you have the ease of mind that whenever your bike breaks down, you can simply load it on the trailor. Bring me the oke who will not make 100% sure his bike is in absolute nick if he knows there's not gonna be any backup  :D
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« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2006, 01:17:11 pm »
Says the ex military officer ;)
 

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« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2006, 01:23:12 pm »
. Bring me the oke who will not make 100% sure his bike is in absolute nick if he knows there's not gonna be any backup  :D[/quote]

now wheres the adventure in that  :wink:
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« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2006, 01:26:21 pm »
I must be more adventurous than most because I sometimes don't even take any tools with on a long ride :wink:
If I run into trouble I have to walk home... now THATS an adventure!
 

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« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2006, 01:28:51 pm »
Your bunch relies on BMW on call more than you should.
 

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« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2006, 01:38:00 pm »
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may I suggest some kind of bus tour.....


Also read somewhere someone said (Think it was JM) that a back -up vehicle is essential. :D


Was me and not essential but lekker to have the bakkie with all the gear loaded (including cold ones) and leave you and the bike free of luggage. Trailers is for the off-roads. ride mos a BMW which can not break! :P

That's me. The "arm chair" type of rider.

Also. I don't have any of the gear needed to undertake such a trip bike only. Nothing, zip. Only the bike and me.

Must rectify this but will take time.
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« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2006, 01:48:46 pm »
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I don't have any of the gear needed to undertake such a trip bike only


So that explains why you don''t wanna ride with us.  :lol:

Thought you didn't like us  :roll:
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