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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2012, 07:52:06 pm »
We're a small comunity and it does not take much to keep a customer happy. All event organisres should, and probably do, factor contingencies, such as cancellations and refunds, into their fee. That's just prudent.

In my experience not many people that cancell ask for refunds. Those who do, give it back to them and get them back next year, instead of giving them an excuse to rant, and then keep their friends away as well.

Simple business sense.  :thumleft:
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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2012, 08:03:38 pm »
I really don't see the problem here....  :patch:
The event is not a profit-making event for BMW Clubs Africa.  David de Bruyn and his helpers are not paid for their time and effort.  They do it for the love of the brand and the goal of giving BMW riders a fun event to participate in and enjoy.
The accommodation arrangements are covered by a business enterprise

The entry Terms + Conditions were known in advance on registration.   :deal:
The cut-off date was known in advance and has passed.
No refund is due.

I entered within hours of the entries opening and paid my entry fee.  Due to a coccyx injury I have had to withdraw.
I am happy to forfeit my entry fee as the decision is mine and the T+C's were known to me.
(It is certainly not going to bankrupt me.)

Any surplus that may result after the event will go as a donation to the Clocolan community as stated in the event T+C
In addition to my original entry fee, I also made a small donation to that cause up front - as provided for in the T+C.   

I was looking forward to the event.
Sadly for me, I won't be there.
All who are going, enjoy it!  :thumleft:
See you next year...

unless it clashes with the Great Kei Gathering, in which case I won't see you!  ;D


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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2012, 08:07:42 pm »
How can they change the rules about taking late bookings and not about refunds?
If they actually got someone to take your place they are pond scum.

But you indicate they did not take more entries and its all legit?
 

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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2012, 08:31:07 pm »
Ok wat ek verstaan is die volgende. As jy nie n bike het nie , is dit kak. As jy n bmw het , het jy meer kak.

As jy triump ry , daar doen ons net n "high tea" nou en dan.  :biggrin:
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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2012, 08:47:08 pm »
How can they change the rules about taking late bookings and not about refunds?
If they actually got someone to take your place they are pond scum.

But you indicate they did not take more entries and its all legit?


You are right about what you say. They overbooked by 40 people and have taken their money. Now, they are down to 26 overbooked entries which Rob Holder are still not happy about. So, they are not really ECO friendly end of the day. Different rules for different people. After the registration closed last year and this year, they still accepted entries and payment for 'friends' and connections coming form Europe. They fucked up and are trying to get the numbers down by taking money and not delivering. I think Dave registered here as Red Rover and made a reply to save some face. I just hope that they at least plant 2 trees on our behalve for what we have paid so far. The R800 per person that they loose on food is bullshit. There were a bakkie load of food left over after every meal last year. They would not have missed the plastic eggs and raw meat in any case.
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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2012, 09:13:07 pm »
I really don't see the problem here....  :patch:
The event is not a profit-making event for BMW Clubs Africa.  David de Bruyn and his helpers are not paid for their time and effort.  They do it for the love of the brand and the goal of giving BMW riders a fun event to participate in and enjoy.
The accommodation arrangements are covered by a business enterprise

The entry Terms + Conditions were known in advance on registration.   :deal:
The cut-off date was known in advance and has passed.
No refund is due.

I entered within hours of the entries opening and paid my entry fee.  Due to a coccyx injury I have had to withdraw.
I am happy to forfeit my entry fee as the decision is mine and the T+C's were known to me.
(It is certainly not going to bankrupt me.)

Any surplus that may result after the event will go as a donation to the Clocolan community as stated in the event T+C
In addition to my original entry fee, I also made a small donation to that cause up front - as provided for in the T+C.   

I was looking forward to the event.
Sadly for me, I won't be there.
All who are going, enjoy it!  :thumleft:
See you next year...

unless it clashes with the Great Kei Gathering, in which case I won't see you!  ;D



"Any surplus will go to the Clocolan community" But BMW club claimed a huge loss on food for last year's event, so what surplus? Is this "double-charging" to create a "surplus?"
I smell a rat.
Also Zietsman's attitude of "some shit that came up", while this client's Dad was seriously ill????
 

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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2012, 09:29:20 pm »
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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2012, 09:32:47 pm »
BensePenis, vertel ons gou wat jou opinie is oor hierdie aangeleentheid. [BMW verleentheid]
 

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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2012, 09:46:43 pm »
Genade ou Daan wat het die storie in elk geval met jou te doen?
Fok wees eerder bly miskien koop iemand nou n Yammi dan kan al twaalf sommer hulle eie ou bymekaarkoms reel.
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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2012, 09:49:58 pm »
There are 2 sides yes.  Customer is unhappy because the event applies the T&C's.  Organizers have to make ends meet, if you have ever been in control of the finances of a function of this nature will understand.  If you have not, you will have complaints.   There is a cut-off date.  That is when the event has to commit to the suppliers of goods and services.  In bulk.  If you are not there to eat the food you paid for, someone in the township will get fed the next morning.  It is that simple.  Once you have paid the fee, and 18 Sept is gone, there is no refund.  Everyone knows that.

Now the plastic eggs from last year and the raw meat is also part of the pot you are stirring.  I can also understand that you are emotional after all you have been through.  Let us live and let live.  David is accountable to his client for applying the rules.  He really has no choice.

Coetzee is just a reasonable cameraman from Clocolan who has been tasked by David to check that there is fuel and water and routes and guards at the gate and that it does not rain this weekend.  Not much he can do about BMW's rules either.  Rest assured, the event will be over subscribed again next year, and the only one who suffers in the process is you.  It is about choice.

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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2012, 09:52:53 pm »
yip, all that money and cold mielies .... ::)



And THAT is why I'm not going...... :peepwall: :biggrin:

And the fact that press were invited, but we had to supply our own bikes...... :pot:
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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2012, 09:54:51 pm »
There are 2 sides yes.  Customer is unhappy because the event applies the T&C's.  Organizers have to make ends meet, if you have ever been in control of the finances of a function of this nature will understand.  If you have not, you will have complaints.   There is a cut-off date.  That is when the event has to commit to the suppliers of goods and services.  In bulk.  If you are not there to eat the food you paid for, someone in the township will get fed the next morning.  It is that simple.  Once you have paid the fee, and 18 Sept is gone, there is no refund.  Everyone knows that.

Now the plastic eggs from last year and the raw meat is also part of the pot you are stirring.  I can also understand that you are emotional after all you have been through.  Let us live and let live.  David is accountable to his client for applying the rules.  He really has no choice.

Coetzee is just a reasonable cameraman from Clocolan who has been tasked by David to check that there is fuel and water and routes and guards at the gate and that it does not rain this weekend.  Not much he can do about BMW's rules either.  Rest assured, the event will be over subscribed again next year, and the only one who suffers in the process is you.  It is about choice.

Hope you see the light again soon!
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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2012, 10:01:48 pm »
Genade ou Daan wat het die storie in elk geval met jou te doen?
Fok wees eerder bly miskien koop iemand nou n Yammi dan kan al twaalf sommer hulle eie ou bymekaarkoms reel.

Kyk, as dit die Yamaha ECO challenge was, sou ek dinge natuurlik in n heel ander lig gesien het :pot:
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Want Yamaha sal nie n mens so beroof nie. :ricky:

Een van my huurwoonstelle is aan die begin van die jaar aan n student verhuur. Sy wou koshuis toe, maar kon nie plek kry nie. Teken toe ons redelike waterdigte 1 jaar kontrak, vanaf Feb tot einde Nov, en einde Aug kan sy skielik plek kry, maar sy moet vinnig besluit, land waglys. Sy vra toe om uit die kontrak verskoon te word, en sy besef dat ek moeilik iemand gaan kry die tyd van die jaar. Ons het haar verskoon, want om in die geval by die letter van die kontrak te bly sal n swak styl openbaar. Ten minste het BMW club reeds n ten volle opbetaalde intekenaar gekry, waarom die 1ste ou se geld hou?
 

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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2012, 10:05:57 pm »
 :laughing4: :laughing4:
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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2012, 10:08:22 pm »
Shoe R800, amper soveel soos n RAD tyre fix :pot: eet jou kaas en jou polony
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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2012, 10:30:07 pm »
Oh FFS, read the terms, easy. Your loss is someone else's gain, even in our economy!

To chose between the ECO and a Bash and you decide on the ECO? There is something wrong with that to start with! :)

Oh, and Punisher, you will also be required to pay upfront for the Bash, does this mean we will never see you?
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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2012, 10:32:36 pm »
Ten minste het BMW club reeds n ten volle opbetaalde intekenaar gekry

Het hulle?

No new people will take our places as they have been overbooked and our food etc has been paid for.
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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #57 on: October 16, 2012, 11:11:36 pm »
How is this for a new money making scheme. We had to cancel our ECO trip this year due to my Stepdad being sick and passing away. We contacted Maluti Adventures a couple of weeks ago and informed them. They refunded our accommodation minus some fees, no problem. Our entries into the ECO were filled immediately. David de Bruyn from BMW Clubs informed us that they can not refund our entry fees due to the fact that they had to pay all the vendors already.

Now, my problem is, we paid, the people that took over our entry paid their money, but BMW will not refund our entry fee. Talk about being paid double for performing a single duty.

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Re: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!!
« Reply #58 on: October 16, 2012, 11:19:02 pm »
Shoe R800, amper soveel soos n RAD tyre fix :pot: eet jou kaas en jou polony

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« Reply #59 on: October 17, 2012, 04:00:45 am »
As with the RAD tube incident, the dealer /organizer fails to see the big picture. Ai tog!!! There are good business principles, and then there is exploitation. People that exploit others are KAK. But fortunately, next time, you can spend our money where you want.
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