Author Topic: BMW ECO 2012 ripoff!! (Read 12016 times)

lamo · « **Reply #20 on:** October 16, 2012, 09:43:13 am »

i was told if you cant make ,sorry for you and if you sell your ticket to a friend they will be turned away at the gate ,

Red Rover · « **Reply #21 on:** October 16, 2012, 11:13:38 am »

If you book and T&C's says 18 Sept cut-off, surely it means exactly that...! Not sure how ripp-off and dishonesty features in that.

IceCreamMan · « **Reply #22 on:** October 16, 2012, 11:15:33 am »

yip, all that money and cold mielies ....

1ougat · « **Reply #23 on:** October 16, 2012, 12:00:00 pm »

As allways there is another side to the story

Minzi
Hope after the venting you now feel better

But i must say there is no ripoff just the rules

MINZI · « **Reply #24 on:** October 16, 2012, 01:21:47 pm »

Only getting chance now to reply, just got back from funeral. I do not care if they give me my money back or not. The ripoff part comes in by BMW Clubs that is charging another 2 people that took our places for the event after we paid for it. I hope the money burns a hole in their pockets. I have always supported the ECO, but I will not again.

Yes, 2 sides of the story. This is my side, do they have the balls to give me their side? Do I still get my shirt and all other things that we received last year?

MINZI · « **Reply #25 on:** October 16, 2012, 02:25:58 pm »

I just had a 'nice' discussion with David. I got told that no monies will be paid back. No new people will take our places as they have been overbooked and our food etc has been paid for. I accept that, I also accept that we have cancelled after 18 Sept. I also accept that it left a kak taste in my mouth and that I will not support the ECO ever again. i also accept that I am a complete fucknut for choosing between the ECO and the National Bash. From now on I will not miss the Nat Bash again. Rant over.

JourneyMan · « **Reply #26 on:** October 16, 2012, 02:27:38 pm »

Quote from: MINZI on October 16, 2012, 02:25:58 pm

i also accept that I am a complete fucknut for choosing between the ECO and the National Bash. From now on I will not miss the Nat Bash again. Rant over.

Coetzee Zietsman · « **Reply #27 on:** October 16, 2012, 05:37:08 pm »

This whole threat just proves that no matter what you do and how you state it, people will find something to complain about. The long and short of it, is that there are terms and conditions and if you don't like them, then don't sign and don't pay your money.

The other side of the story, being closely involved with the organization of this event, is this. All the service providers have a cutoff date. Then they order stock, tents, booze etc etc. After that, whether more people come or some cancel, the money is spent. So it will make sense that there can be no refunds after the cutoff date. Try and get a refund from your airline after a cutoff date and see what happens.

The GS Eco is a great event organized by great people and supported by a great brand. You can be snotty all you want, it still remains the biggest gathering of its kind in the world. It has reached that status because systems are in place and rules are adhered to. Of course nobody wants to be short changed, but if shit happens and you can't make the event and the rules you agreed to are not in your favor, you cannot shift blame to the organizers.
It is unfortunate and that is it. No harm intended and I am sure very little done.
Have a cold one, wash it down with Jagermeister and I am sure you will see the sense in all this.

boere · « **Reply #28 on:** October 16, 2012, 05:48:52 pm »

Quote from: JourneyMan on October 16, 2012, 02:27:38 pm

Quote from: MINZI on October 16, 2012, 02:25:58 pm
i also accept that I am a complete fucknut for choosing between the ECO and the National Bash. From now on I will not miss the Nat Bash again. Rant over.

The bash was a JOL

2StrokeDan · « **Reply #29 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:01:39 pm »

BMW clubs, Harley clubs, Riders of the wind club.......tropdiere.

MINZI · « **Reply #30 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:01:59 pm »

Quote from: Coetzee Zietsman on October 16, 2012, 05:37:08 pm

This whole threat just proves that no matter what you do and how you state it, people will find something to complain about. The long and short of it, is that there are terms and conditions and if you don't like them, then don't sign and don't pay your money.

The other side of the story, being closely involved with the organization of this event, is this. All the service providers have a cutoff date. Then they order stock, tents, booze etc etc. After that, whether more people come or some cancel, the money is spent. So it will make sense that there can be no refunds after the cutoff date. Try and get a refund from your airline after a cutoff date and see what happens.

The GS Eco is a great event organized by great people and supported by a great brand. You can be snotty all you want, it still remains the biggest gathering of its kind in the world. It has reached that status because systems are in place and rules are adhered to. Of course nobody wants to be short changed, but if shit happens and you can't make the event and the rules you agreed to are not in your favor, you cannot shift blame to the organizers.
It is unfortunate and that is it. No harm intended and I am sure very little done.
Have a cold one, wash it down with Jagermeister and I am sure you will see the sense in all this.

No you have a completely different attitude after the message you sent me on Facebook. I see this case as closed from my side and my venting is done. Have a nice one.

Noneking · « **Reply #31 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:02:27 pm »

Quote from: Coetzee Zietsman on October 16, 2012, 05:37:08 pm

This whole threat just proves that no matter what you do and how you state it, people will find something to complain about. The long and short of it, is that there are terms and conditions and if you don't like them, then don't sign and don't pay your money.

The other side of the story, being closely involved with the organization of this event, is this. All the service providers have a cutoff date. Then they order stock, tents, booze etc etc. After that, whether more people come or some cancel, the money is spent. So it will make sense that there can be no refunds after the cutoff date. Try and get a refund from your airline after a cutoff date and see what happens.

The GS Eco is a great event organized by great people and supported by a great brand. You can be snotty all you want, it still remains the biggest gathering of its kind in the world. It has reached that status because systems are in place and rules are adhered to. Of course nobody wants to be short changed, but if shit happens and you can't make the event and the rules you agreed to are not in your favor, you cannot shift blame to the organizers.
It is unfortunate and that is it. No harm intended and I am sure very little done.
Have a cold one, wash it down with Jagermeister and I am sure you will see the sense in all this.

There you have it....the other side of the story.

2StrokeDan · « **Reply #32 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:12:07 pm »

We can understand that the entry is spent on logistics, but what prevents a refund ONCE THE FILL_IN PERSON has paid ALSO? Minus a REASONABLE admin fee. Of course lekker to hang onto money you have not worked for.

Lear300 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:15:04 pm »

Quote from: MINZI on October 16, 2012, 06:01:59 pm

Quote from: Coetzee Zietsman on October 16, 2012, 05:37:08 pm
This whole threat just proves that no matter what you do and how you state it, people will find something to complain about. The long and short of it, is that there are terms and conditions and if you don't like them, then don't sign and don't pay your money.

The other side of the story, being closely involved with the organization of this event, is this. All the service providers have a cutoff date. Then they order stock, tents, booze etc etc. After that, whether more people come or some cancel, the money is spent. So it will make sense that there can be no refunds after the cutoff date. Try and get a refund from your airline after a cutoff date and see what happens.

The GS Eco is a great event organized by great people and supported by a great brand. You can be snotty all you want, it still remains the biggest gathering of its kind in the world. It has reached that status because systems are in place and rules are adhered to. Of course nobody wants to be short changed, but if shit happens and you can't make the event and the rules you agreed to are not in your favor, you cannot shift blame to the organizers.
It is unfortunate and that is it. No harm intended and I am sure very little done.
Have a cold one, wash it down with Jagermeister and I am sure you will see the sense in all this.

No you have a completely different attitude after the message you sent me on Facebook. I see this case as closed from my side and my venting is done. Have a nice one.

Why argue on facebook?

Rynet · « **Reply #34 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:22:19 pm »

I also don't see the logic. It is a popular event . Last year there were more people who wanted to go then could go. Minzi cancelled and they filled their places, so got their money. Now they have double money. And his dad was in a coma for all that time and sadly died just over that period.

They spent all that money on planting trees to make a good impression but then, but don't consider someone dying as a worthwhile cause to be humane . BMW marketing fail.

Hagar · « **Reply #35 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:35:20 pm »

Thou shalt not complain about any form of institutionalised n**ing/ being ripped off on this forum. The faithful will descent on you. " You accepted the Ts and Cc of the deal, and you should not come and "kak and kerm here"

Personally I see no wrong in you saying how you feel about it.

punisher · « **Reply #36 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:43:45 pm »

hmmmmm sorry to hear this

i for one NEVER enter into "gimme yer money before i give you anything" schemes .......... or at least i try not to

JonW · « **Reply #37 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:48:36 pm »

Quote from: Rynet on October 16, 2012, 06:22:19 pm

I also don't see the logic. It is a popular event . Last year there were more people who wanted to go then could go. Minzi cancelled and they filled their places, so got their money. Now they have double money. And his dad was in a coma for all that time and sadly died just over that period.

They spent all that money on planting trees to make a good impression but then, but don't consider someone dying as a worthwhile cause to be humane . BMW marketing fail.

I too cannot see Coetzee Zietsman's logic here.

Give the man a refund, it is the right thing to do.

wayneh · « **Reply #38 on:** October 16, 2012, 07:10:59 pm »

Eeish... so many brands choose to take a (sometimes arrogant) stand over a short term gain or inflexible condition... just because of their current demand.
This usually results in costing the brand way more than doing the more considerate thing.

IMHO BMW... or the BMW Club... could have scored massive emotional cred' by simply refunding the poor guy his money.

Whether people view this as right or wrong, I'm sure the organiser's action & attitiude has just lost them some future business.

Consumers vote with their heart, before their head.

Fudmucker · « **Reply #39 on:** October 16, 2012, 07:27:56 pm »

I really don't see the problem here....

The event is not a profit-making event for BMW Clubs Africa. David de Bruyn and his helpers are not paid for their time and effort. They do it for the love of the brand and the goal of giving BMW riders a fun event to participate in and enjoy.
The accommodation arrangements are covered by a business enterprise

The entry Terms + Conditions were known in advance on registration.

The cut-off date was known in advance and has passed.
No refund is due.

I entered within hours of the entries opening and paid my entry fee. Due to a coccyx injury I have had to withdraw.
I am happy to forfeit my entry fee as the decision is mine and the T+C's were known to me.
(It is certainly not going to bankrupt me.)

Any surplus that may result after the event will go as a donation to the Clocolan community as stated in the event T+C
In addition to my original entry fee, I also made a small donation to that cause up front - as provided for in the T+C.

I was looking forward to the event.
Sadly for me, I won't be there.
All who are going, enjoy it!

See you next year...

unless it clashes with the Great Kei Gathering, in which case I won't see you!