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Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« on: November 06, 2012, 09:18:31 pm »
I know that a lot of different bikes brands and models are a matter of opinion and debate.

But which Motocross or enduro type bikes could anyone advise ?

Im looking at bikes like the KTM, Suzuki, Yamaha, Kawasaki and Honda but am not up to date as to some cons of whichever brand.

I especially am interested in bikes between 2003-2006

Any sort of opinion or advise would be appreciated  :)
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2012, 09:20:16 pm »
YZ250 2stroke. Klaargepraat. Of KX250 2stroke. Verder gepraat.
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2012, 09:23:21 pm »
And what do you think of the KTMs ? i've seen a few that are cheaper than yz or kx of similar year. Are the ktms more likely to give problems and are parts very pricey at all ?
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2012, 09:32:29 pm »
A good friend is a top rider and in his own words; if you race, and you can replace bikes at least every year, max 2, then a KTM is good, because they actually come race-ready for the same price as the Japs. But if you want to keep riding the same bike for say 5 years, buy a Yamaha. Tougher, everything last better. Older KTM's look tatty much sooner than older Jappies, under the same conditions.
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2012, 09:43:30 pm »
OK great ! thanks for the replies ! Puts things in a different perspective !
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2012, 09:49:06 pm »
A good friend is a top rider and in his own words; if you race, and you can replace bikes at least every year, max 2, then a KTM is good, because they actually come race-ready for the same price as the Japs. But if you want to keep riding the same bike for say 5 years, buy a Yamaha. Tougher, everything last better. Older KTM's look tatty much sooner than older Jappies, under the same conditions.
Agree, also had a YZ250, that thing was Wild and super reliable.. So, my advise is get the Yamaha, but if you are a really inexperienced rider first try the 125 class. I eventually sold my YZ250, because I couldn't control her. Must say mine was tuned for top performance with almost every extra on the bike, boiled the brake fluid multiple times due to the fast speed pickup.

Sold her to an experienced YZ250 rider (Rossdog) and he eventually sold it due to too much power, so maybe it was just mine that was a malkoppie. I loved that bike and still think it's one of the best MX bikes available, but I would never buy one again.. :thumleft:
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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2012, 10:21:04 pm »
A good friend is a top rider and in his own words; if you race, and you can replace bikes at least every year, max 2, then a KTM is good, because they actually come race-ready for the same price as the Japs. But if you want to keep riding the same bike for say 5 years, buy a Yamaha. Tougher, everything last better. Older KTM's look tatty much sooner than older Jappies, under the same conditions.

Sorry man but that is crap, a bike will only last as good as it's taken care off. Why do KTM's "look older more quickly" simple reason that they tend to get bought by more serious riders and thus get ridden a lot more. a KTM MX bike is just as race ready as a YZ or KX would be, all these bikes come out of the factory ready to be raced without having anything done to them.
Having owned most of the major brands my KTM has by far been the most lasting, it feels brand new still compared to other bikes of that year. The past weekend I went testing on the 2013 KX250's and still prefer my 2007 KTM to that.

Ru_za, what area are you in?
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2012, 10:30:09 pm »
A good friend is a top rider and in his own words; if you race, and you can replace bikes at least every year, max 2, then a KTM is good, because they actually come race-ready for the same price as the Japs. But if you want to keep riding the same bike for say 5 years, buy a Yamaha. Tougher, everything last better. Older KTM's look tatty much sooner than older Jappies, under the same conditions.

Sorry man but that is crap, a bike will only last as good as it's taken care off. Why do KTM's "look older more quickly" simple reason that they tend to get bought by more serious riders and thus get ridden a lot more. a KTM MX bike is just as race ready as a YZ or KX would be, all these bikes come out of the factory ready to be raced without having anything done to them.
Having owned most of the major brands my KTM has by far been the most lasting, it feels brand new still compared to other bikes of that year. The past weekend I went testing on the 2013 KX250's and still prefer my 2007 KTM to that.

Ru_za, what area are you in?

And don't a bike bought and ridden by a more serious rider usually get more serious maintenance as well? Sorry bud, show me the 90's MX KTM's. Laaaankal dood.
Go google if you do not know, KTM will sell off the floor with fatbars, o-ring chain, etc, while the Japs wont. Where did you think "Ready to race" came from???
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2012, 10:31:45 pm »
Oh yes, Ettienne, show me the YZ that breaks a swingarm.  :imaposer:, or do YZ's not get raced now suddenly? Jou KTM kos jou al 3 YZ's. :xxbah:
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2012, 10:48:32 pm »
2SD show me one Japanese MX bike from the 90's that's still perfect, KTM only started becoming a dominant brand in the past 10+ years.

You are biased towards anything Japanese, and people read your opinions thinking you are a senior member and then take that stuff seriously.
Are you honestly basing your opinion on what type of chain a bike comes out with? And Yamaha YZ's also come standard with farbars btw.

My KTM has cost way less in maintanance than a YZ250 did, KTM non OEM parts are much cheaper for the simply fact that there are so many KTM's out there, they've become the most popular brand worldwide in offroad, have you tried even finding Suzuki parts etc. not to mention how extremely high the prices are.

I can within a 5min drive from my house buy ANY part for my KTM at very good prices, I've heard horror stories of people needing to get honda/kawasaki/suzuki parts.
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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2012, 10:58:05 pm »
Ettienne, I never said that the Japs are better race bikes than the KTM's, just that they are better longterm bikes. Like you said yourself, you have to buy cheap aftermarket stuff for your KTM, and this is possibly why the YZ's look less tatty than a KTM after a few years used under the same conditions.
Remember, when KTM became a "dominant brand" 10+ years ago, the Japs have already been dominant for 30 years. I like the KTM's too, but the Japs are better lasting.
 

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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2012, 11:00:12 pm »
Have to disagree, a bikes looks after a couple of years is purely based on how the owner treated it.
There's a reason 90% of the offroad bikes are KTM
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2012, 11:02:19 pm »
Maybe it is an age thing, but i agree with 2SD :P
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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2012, 11:04:06 pm »
Have to disagree, a bikes looks after a couple of years is purely based on how the owner treated it.
There's a reason 90% of the offroad bikes are KTM

Like I told you, you have to replace your KTM far more frequently, so there will be more around. :imaposer:, OK, OK Ettienne, you have a point, I also think that the new KTM's are [almost] up to Japanese standards. But only the new ones......
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2012, 11:05:57 pm »
 :3some:

as far as 2t goes, the japanese have some catching up to do I'm afraid.

My bike for next year is a fuel injected 2T, that comes standard with full Akrapovic system and CC forks. the future is nice :)
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2012, 11:07:59 pm »
Money comes easy, good going ET
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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2012, 11:09:03 pm »
Wow Ossie, now I have to agree with one pro-BMW thing you say. :mwink:

But seriously, it always bothers me when a manufacturer does not make topclass stuff from day one. Yamaha, Toyota, Bridgestone all started out with top class products, yet KTM has been making bikes for almost as long but only started making stuff of acceptable quality during the last decade. Why first make crap, and then improve? Well, at least they improved.
 

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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2012, 11:12:11 pm »
:3some:

as far as 2t goes, the japanese have some catching up to do I'm afraid.

My bike for next year is a fuel injected 2T, that comes standard with full Akrapovic system and CC forks. the future is nice :)

Very nice indeed, but do not confuse technology with quality. And google Yamaha "Supermax". Surprise will be your companion.
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2012, 11:13:55 pm »
Ettienne, I would hate to be as brand-befok as you are. :pot:
 

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2012, 11:16:52 pm »
Money comes easy, good going ET

Not really hey, it's actually an entire years worth of salary going towards it.

Ettienne, I would hate to be as brand-befok as you are. :pot:


Why? I'm not brand biased at all, not even riding a KTM next year, I've had Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, KTM and now moving to another brand  :thumleft:

this one is for you 2SD :)