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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2012, 11:31:23 pm »
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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2012, 11:34:44 pm »
BTW, what brand are you moving to now?
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2012, 11:41:59 pm »
BTW, what brand are you moving to now?

I also want to know wish brand will now be the best when Etienne2T get the new one?  :patch:

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2012, 05:42:59 am »
When the bike get olderí you will start to appreciate why the KTM originally cost more. It is cheaper to maintain in the long run. The reason for this is that items that are most subject to damage or wear can easily be removed, while on the Jap bikes they are often an integral part of a bigger component. I now have to pay R3600 to repair my KX250 2T, for something that would be about R100 on a KTM.

Perhaps this is why old KTMís look more tatty. With a Jap bike you are constantly replacing items that can be repaired on the KTM
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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2012, 06:01:38 am »
Let's be honest now, there isn't a bad modern bike out there at the moment. 2 stroke technology is not exactly rocket science anymore and the difference normally comes in with the suspension.
KTM's have always been notoriously expensive to maintain and it helps if you have a friend of a friend who knows Etienne who will get you a 2% discount at the local ktm spanner shop ;)

If you're concerned about costs, stay far away from 4 strokes. They're great when they're running but will break the bank when the motor lets go.

If you're looking to getting into dirt biking and not flat out MX then buy a KDX. It does nothing great but everything good  and there isn't a cheaper or more reliable dirt bike out there. I'm sure even Dan and Et will agree with that.
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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2012, 06:50:04 am »
what an enjoyable thread to read  :biggrin: but also very informative.

I have to agree with BOTH 2SD and E2T  :biggrin: there are only really two bike worth looking at ...Yamaha and KTM.

When next at an MX or Enduro event have a look see which are the two most popular bikes on the start line. It will be blue and orange with a sprinkling of green, red and some yellow. Ignore which brands are on the podium, that is the result of the rider, they could most proberly win on any bike. Rather look at what the Joe soaps (us) are riding. That will give a good indication which bike are reliable, easy to maintain and not that expensive.

Personally it would be very difficult to chose between the yammy or KTM. I have grown up in a yamaha family and only crossed over to KTM 6 years ago, just because yamaha did not and still do not have a machine that comes close to the 950/990.  >:D. Otherwise I would still be riding Yamaha.
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2012, 06:55:36 am »
Very sensible Mark ignore the podium the winner would probably win on any make. but just a word on older bikes (vmx) so probably older than you are looking at I would stay Jap definatly easier & more affordable ( proof in the people there doing iy as Mark says) but on a newer all round starter, you will be very hard pressed to beat a KDX 200 also 2 smoke ; cheaper
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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2012, 07:08:58 am »
Personally I think this brand obsession thing is nonsense!

The Japanes MX bikes of the past were very competitive and very well made in general.  The differences between them were very small and typically each year a different brand tended to be a little better than the rest.  In the years I raced, Honda's and Suzuki's and Kawasaki's were dominant at various times. 

So I dont think you can say "only Yamaha" or "Only Kawasaki" etc.

I wold imagine the main problem now will be parts availability for the older bikes so you would have to check that before hand - thats probably going to be the clincher.
 
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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2012, 07:38:34 am »
Let's be honest now, there isn't a bad modern bike out there at the moment. 2 stroke technology is not exactly rocket science anymore and the difference normally comes in with the suspension.
KTM's have always been notoriously expensive to maintain and it helps if you have a friend of a friend who knows Etienne who will get you a 2% discount at the local ktm spanner shop ;)

If you're concerned about costs, stay far away from 4 strokes. They're great when they're running but will break the bank when the motor lets go.

If you're looking to getting into dirt biking and not flat out MX then buy a KDX. It does nothing great but everything good  and there isn't a cheaper or more reliable dirt bike out there. I'm sure even Dan and Et will agree with that.

Buff, have to agree with you :thumleft:

I bought 2SD's 2004 KDX, looked like a farm bike, pulled through his arse...and I mean stukkend! I wanted to leave it on the side walk... :dousing: Replaced chain, sprockets and serviced the suspension. That KDX is still going like a rocket, starts first time, every time...no matter how I mistreat it, she just keeps on going.
I also have a 2007 KTM 300 EXC I bought for when I am better and the KDX is finished...it has been standing in the spanner shop for a week now waiting for parts after the clutch packed up again. :'(
So this weekend I'll just pull out my "jap scrap" and rip it up again. :sip:
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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2012, 07:45:28 am »
Ek sal KTM gaan. Net omdat ek dit like. Geen ander logiese rede
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2012, 08:31:47 am »
Wow Ossie, now I have to agree with one pro-BMW thing you say. :mwink:

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2012, 12:14:17 pm »
I have had a few bikes before and must agree with 2SD, that the Yamaha is far better option to buy and maintain than any other make. That said, I currently own 2 KTM's, and love them both, but that is because Yamaha doesn't have anything close to these 2 bikes in the same category. Just my personal opinion and prefrances on these bikes.
If you look at resale value the Yamaha's is far better than any other make. And that is a fact, just look at GOMBOOM.
Please and if you look at the stats on Finishers in competions, MX, Enduro, SCross, Dakar etc..., ALL these bikes are maintained with budgets that you and I can only dream of.

I must admitt that unfortunaly no other make, can compare to the KTM's on the enduro scene, and they also make the biggest variety of bikes.
I also agree with Etienne, as to keep your hand on your bike and it will cost you less in the long run.   
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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2012, 12:57:15 pm »
Let's be honest now, there isn't a bad modern bike out there at the moment. 2 stroke technology is not exactly rocket science anymore and the difference normally comes in with the suspension.
KTM's have always been notoriously expensive to maintain and it helps if you have a friend of a friend who knows Etienne who will get you a 2% discount at the local ktm spanner shop ;)

If you're concerned about costs, stay far away from 4 strokes. They're great when they're running but will break the bank when the motor lets go.

If you're looking to getting into dirt biking and not flat out MX then buy a KDX. It does nothing great but everything good  and there isn't a cheaper or more reliable dirt bike out there. I'm sure even Dan and Et will agree with that.

Buff, have to agree with you :thumleft:

I bought 2SD's 2004 KDX, looked like a farm bike, pulled through his arse...and I mean stukkend! I wanted to leave it on the side walk... :dousing: Replaced chain, sprockets and serviced the suspension. That KDX is still going like a rocket, starts first time, every time...no matter how I mistreat it, she just keeps on going.
I also have a 2007 KTM 300 EXC I bought for when I am better and the KDX is finished...it has been standing in the spanner shop for a week now waiting for parts after the clutch packed up again. :'(
So this weekend I'll just pull out my "jap scrap" and rip it up again. :sip:

I sincerely hope that you will continue riding that KDX in the most incredibly difficult technical places you can find. It is how it was reared. :imaposer:
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2012, 01:16:54 pm »
Let's be honest now, there isn't a bad modern bike out there at the moment. 2 stroke technology is not exactly rocket science anymore and the difference normally comes in with the suspension.
KTM's have always been notoriously expensive to maintain and it helps if you have a friend of a friend who knows Etienne who will get you a 2% discount at the local ktm spanner shop ;)

If you're concerned about costs, stay far away from 4 strokes. They're great when they're running but will break the bank when the motor lets go.

If you're looking to getting into dirt biking and not flat out MX then buy a KDX. It does nothing great but everything good  and there isn't a cheaper or more reliable dirt bike out there. I'm sure even Dan and Et will agree with that.

Buff, have to agree with you :thumleft:

I bought 2SD's 2004 KDX, looked like a farm bike, pulled through his arse...and I mean stukkend! I wanted to leave it on the side walk... :dousing: Replaced chain, sprockets and serviced the suspension. That KDX is still going like a rocket, starts first time, every time...no matter how I mistreat it, she just keeps on going.
I also have a 2007 KTM 300 EXC I bought for when I am better and the KDX is finished...it has been standing in the spanner shop for a week now waiting for parts after the clutch packed up again. :'(
So this weekend I'll just pull out my "jap scrap" and rip it up again. :sip:

I sincerely hope that you will continue riding that KDX in the most incredibly difficult technical places you can find. It is how it was reared. :imaposer:


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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2012, 01:38:21 pm »
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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2012, 01:53:50 pm »
A quick thought...
Yamaha - not the best overall, but just comes back week after week and does it again and again.
Honda - were the best at one stage.
Suzuki - also ran
Kawasaki - always got the holeshot, but needed more work.
KTM - I raced a 250 (the white one) for part of a season, found them to be out of date and very expensive (bike and parts).

Ran the specialist bikes after that - Maico.  There are better specialist bikes than the above, but costs and spares is an issue.

Good e.g.
was at Yammie the other day, 1 KTM exhaust valve R900, full set of 4 for a yammie, R450.

Personally, I like Husky.  Now there are specials like GasGas, Beta, all of which we have not really had here, so no real track record.

I would go with a Jap today, probably Yammie because it will do it all.
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2012, 02:11:08 pm »
Let's be honest now, there isn't a bad modern bike out there at the moment. 2 stroke technology is not exactly rocket science anymore and the difference normally comes in with the suspension.
KTM's have always been notoriously expensive to maintain and it helps if you have a friend of a friend who knows Etienne who will get you a 2% discount at the local ktm spanner shop ;)

If you're concerned about costs, stay far away from 4 strokes. They're great when they're running but will break the bank when the motor lets go.

If you're looking to getting into dirt biking and not flat out MX then buy a KDX. It does nothing great but everything good  and there isn't a cheaper or more reliable dirt bike out there. I'm sure even Dan and Et will agree with that.

Buff, have to agree with you :thumleft:

I bought 2SD's 2004 KDX, looked like a farm bike, pulled through his arse...and I mean stukkend! I wanted to leave it on the side walk... :dousing: Replaced chain, sprockets and serviced the suspension. That KDX is still going like a rocket, starts first time, every time...no matter how I mistreat it, she just keeps on going.
I also have a 2007 KTM 300 EXC I bought for when I am better and the KDX is finished...it has been standing in the spanner shop for a week now waiting for parts after the clutch packed up again. :'(
So this weekend I'll just pull out my "jap scrap" and rip it up again. :sip:

I sincerely hope that you will continue riding that KDX in the most incredibly difficult technical places you can find. It is how it was reared. :imaposer:


Dis nou wat ek noem fyn brag.   ;D

So with this history where does the Histrionic support for Yamaha come from? :pot:
"These are not machines for the meek. Ride it like you stole it, cane it within an inch of its life. It will require a bunch of maintenance and generally tend to be, shall we say, harsh? It was bred for racing, after all. It will devour rear tires and its lust for fuel will astound you. It will suffer indifference and carelessness very poorly. Like heroin and Asian girls, it's not for everybody, but when you absolutely, positively, GOTS to beat every m*****f****** in the race, accept no substitu
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2012, 03:01:18 pm »
Let's be honest now, there isn't a bad modern bike out there at the moment. 2 stroke technology is not exactly rocket science anymore and the difference normally comes in with the suspension.
KTM's have always been notoriously expensive to maintain and it helps if you have a friend of a friend who knows Etienne who will get you a 2% discount at the local ktm spanner shop ;)

If you're concerned about costs, stay far away from 4 strokes. They're great when they're running but will break the bank when the motor lets go.

If you're looking to getting into dirt biking and not flat out MX then buy a KDX. It does nothing great but everything good  and there isn't a cheaper or more reliable dirt bike out there. I'm sure even Dan and Et will agree with that.

Buff, have to agree with you :thumleft:

I bought 2SD's 2004 KDX, looked like a farm bike, pulled through his arse...and I mean stukkend! I wanted to leave it on the side walk... :dousing: Replaced chain, sprockets and serviced the suspension. That KDX is still going like a rocket, starts first time, every time...no matter how I mistreat it, she just keeps on going.
I also have a 2007 KTM 300 EXC I bought for when I am better and the KDX is finished...it has been standing in the spanner shop for a week now waiting for parts after the clutch packed up again. :'(
So this weekend I'll just pull out my "jap scrap" and rip it up again. :sip:

I sincerely hope that you will continue riding that KDX in the most incredibly difficult technical places you can find. It is how it was reared. :imaposer:


Dis nou wat ek noem fyn brag.   ;D

So with this history where does the Histrionic support for Yamaha come from? :pot:

I use to ride my Yamaha streetbikes in these places. :pot:
 

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Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2012, 04:41:12 pm »
Let's be honest now, there isn't a bad modern bike out there at the moment. 2 stroke technology is not exactly rocket science anymore and the difference normally comes in with the suspension.
KTM's have always been notoriously expensive to maintain and it helps if you have a friend of a friend who knows Etienne who will get you a 2% discount at the local ktm spanner shop ;)

If you're concerned about costs, stay far away from 4 strokes. They're great when they're running but will break the bank when the motor lets go.

If you're looking to getting into dirt biking and not flat out MX then buy a KDX. It does nothing great but everything good  and there isn't a cheaper or more reliable dirt bike out there. I'm sure even Dan and Et will agree with that.

Buff, have to agree with you :thumleft:

I bought 2SD's 2004 KDX, looked like a farm bike, pulled through his arse...and I mean stukkend! I wanted to leave it on the side walk... :dousing: Replaced chain, sprockets and serviced the suspension. That KDX is still going like a rocket, starts first time, every time...no matter how I mistreat it, she just keeps on going.
I also have a 2007 KTM 300 EXC I bought for when I am better and the KDX is finished...it has been standing in the spanner shop for a week now waiting for parts after the clutch packed up again. :'(
So this weekend I'll just pull out my "jap scrap" and rip it up again. :sip:

I sincerely hope that you will continue riding that KDX in the most incredibly difficult technical places you can find. It is how it was reared. :imaposer:


Dis nou wat ek noem fyn brag.   ;D

So with this history where does the Histrionic support for Yamaha come from? :pot:

I use to ride my Yamaha streetbikes in these places. :pot:


Only in Danie-land or possibly
"I sincerely hope that you will continue riding that KDX in the most incredibly well tarred places you can find. It is how it was reared" is more appropriate
"These are not machines for the meek. Ride it like you stole it, cane it within an inch of its life. It will require a bunch of maintenance and generally tend to be, shall we say, harsh? It was bred for racing, after all. It will devour rear tires and its lust for fuel will astound you. It will suffer indifference and carelessness very poorly. Like heroin and Asian girls, it's not for everybody, but when you absolutely, positively, GOTS to beat every m*****f****** in the race, accept no substitu