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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #100 on: January 03, 2008, 11:43:09 pm »
IMO, there are many advantages to touring on a small displacement motorcycle (simplicity, weight, cost, efficiency, etc...)... one of the more important ones being their conservative power more-or-less "limits" the rider to sitting back, relaxing, and enjoying the surroundings. For me, it's all about getting lost on back roads... the less-traveled/more remote, the better.

Set up camp, unload the bike, and spend a few days exploring the local trails/roads in the area. Dirt cheap adventuring - can't beat it!!!  ;D
 

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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #101 on: January 03, 2008, 11:43:48 pm »

With our big machines we sometimes get an inflated sense of self. .

BS!  This is exactly what I mean by asking the question!

I rest my case!
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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #102 on: January 03, 2008, 11:47:37 pm »
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Small bikes keep you honest. You have to take it slow, you have look around, you have to take the gravel. It keeps your head in the clouds, but your feet on the ground.

Same goes for a bigger bike.

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With our big machines we sometimes get an inflated sense of self. Minimalistic touring negates that notion. A small uphill influences you. We are but passers by, not masters of the earth.


Now you are insulting me, you saying I think I am the master of the earth?  :)

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IMO, there are many advantages to touring on a small displacement motorcycle (simplicity, weight, cost, efficiency, etc...)... one of the more important ones being their conservative power more-or-less "limits" the rider to sitting back, relaxing, and enjoying the surroundings. For me, it's all about getting lost on back roads... the less-traveled/more remote, the better.

Set up camp, unload the bike, and spend a few days exploring the local trails/roads in the area. Dirt cheap adventuring - can't beat it!!! 


You are not answering my question, I can do all the things you say on a bigger bike aswell.

What Uil said, I am merely trying to understand this thing with small bikes as adventure riding, not trying to attack you or say you have to justify your excistence or purchase.
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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #103 on: January 03, 2008, 11:47:52 pm »
We have no problem with small bikes, stop trying to justify the reasons for riding one.......

Do not hit on the big bikes.
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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #104 on: January 03, 2008, 11:49:20 pm »
Sorry Michnus, you beat me to the same thought! ;D
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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #105 on: January 03, 2008, 11:51:56 pm »
Sorry Michnus, you beat me to the same thought! ;D

Hehehe.......eish man, we just wanna have a bit of insight into this special club  ;D
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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #106 on: January 03, 2008, 11:52:15 pm »
Correct me if I'm in the wrong here, but why is there this seeking of acknowledgement for the small bikes?  Why list the small bikes on this forum? 

I don't (and never have) seen it as a "us and them" situation. I do believe however we are different. The list maybe signifies who "gets it" (what we do) in a world that believes that if it's bigger / costs more it's better. What we do flies in the face of "logic". We are not "right" and big bikes are not "wrong" or vice versa. Each certainly has it's place. We're just trying to make a spot for ourselves in the "bigger is better" world.

Why do people tour with Vespa's?
 

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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #107 on: January 03, 2008, 11:54:15 pm »

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With our big machines we sometimes get an inflated sense of self. Minimalistic touring negates that notion. A small uphill influences you. We are but passers by, not masters of the earth.


Now you are insulting me, you saying I think I am the master of the earth?  :)


Nope. But you'll probably find some of those on the "branded forum" ;)
 

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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #108 on: January 04, 2008, 12:00:48 am »
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I don't (and never have) seen it as a "us and them" situation. I do believe however we are different. The list maybe signifies who "gets it" (what we do) in a world that believes that if it's bigger / costs more it's better. What we do flies in the face of "logic". We are not "right" and big bikes are not "wrong" or vice versa. Each certainly has it's place. We're just trying to make a spot for ourselves in the "bigger is better" world.

I am not a rasict, but you know.................. ;D

No thats a load of bull, now you tell me I don't "get it" because I ride a bigger bike?

You always had a spot in the sun next to the bigger is better world, it seems there's a different snobbery starting here  ;D >:D

My question was what is the allure with the small bikes? I don't care that you think you oke's "get it" and the rest not .
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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #109 on: January 04, 2008, 12:01:54 am »
The list maybe signifies who "gets it" (what we do) in a world that believes that if it's bigger / costs more it's better. .

Ag nee kom nou, nou kry jy klein bike sindroom!

Listen, and I am not picking a fight here, believe me! At Attakwas ride, us with the big bikes had to listen to the small bike riders how we would suffer, and how you guys would take pics of us falling, ENDLESSLY!  So, do not come with an excuse of not being the "us and them" type! All I'm asking, let us ride in peace.....
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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #110 on: January 04, 2008, 12:09:31 am »
No thats a load of bull, now you tell me I don't "get it" because I ride a bigger bike?

You always had a spot in the sun next to the bigger is better world, it seems there's a different snobbery starting here  ;D >:D

My question was what is the allure with the small bikes? I don't care that you think you oke's "get it" and the rest not .

Nope, we're missing each other.

It's not that some people don't "get it". Not at all. It's more of a "we like the same thing" kind of thing. A kinship.

Snobbery on a small bike? Is that even possible?

Maybe it's a difference in approach. Some people are hedonists and some people are minimalists. We all are both in different degrees. Some want to wake up in the Mount Nelson, I want to wake in the cave in Baviaans. We all want to do both at least once, I just like the cave more.

I have not looked at the list, but I'll guess more Cape people have small bikes too. We're more laid back. What does it matter if it takes me 2 more days to get there? I have time. I ride slower and probably see more.

stop trying to justify the reasons for riding one.......

Maybe the need to "justify" stems from the myriad of questions "why"?
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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #111 on: January 04, 2008, 12:11:37 am »
The list maybe signifies who "gets it" (what we do) in a world that believes that if it's bigger / costs more it's better. .

Ag nee kom nou, nou kry jy klein bike sindroom!

Listen, and I am not picking a fight here, believe me! At Attakwas ride, us with the big bikes had to listen to the small bike riders how we would suffer, and how you guys would take pics of us falling, ENDLESSLY!  So, do not come with an excuse of not being the "us and them" type! All I'm asking, let us ride in peace.....

Drunken banter should not be taken so seriously. I was the one that fell...

All I'm asking, let us ride in peace.....

This thread was about small bikes. Where did we attack big bikes?
 

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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #112 on: January 04, 2008, 12:15:17 am »

All I'm asking, let us ride in peace.....

This thread was about small bikes. Where did we attack big bikes?

When there's a thread about BMW's - do the KTM guys ask "why is this thread about BMW's"? I think not.

We just want to chat about our bikes and our way of doing things, same as the other threads about brands / classes of bikes.
 

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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #113 on: January 04, 2008, 12:17:21 am »
"Get it" and "inflated sense of self" and "bigger/costs more is better" seems like attacks to me!

Have you ever, anywhere on this forum seen any form of mockery towards smaller bikes by bigger bike riders?
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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #114 on: January 04, 2008, 12:28:33 am »
"Get it" and "inflated sense of self" and "bigger/costs more is better" seems like attacks to me!

Have you ever, anywhere on this forum seen any form of mockery towards smaller bikes by bigger bike riders?

No. Not on this forum. Not ever.

Those statements were not made about anyone on this forum either. Sorry if you felt offended. I tried to explain the "kinship" best I could.

The  "inflated sense of self" and "bigger/costs more is better" phenomena has been discussed to death on this forum. It has been agreed (on this forum) that WD generally do not suffer from this. So those statements were not about this forum, but rather observations in real life. Ask Eisbein about the differences in attitude towards him he perceived when he started riding his 250 to work. It's there, it exists. It was not about the big bikes on this forum though.

On the Attakwas trip I was pulling your leg. We had different size bikes so it was about that. If we had the same bikes it would have been about the colour of yours. Harmless banter. I meant no harm. Sorry. I've been known to go on and on about something after a bottle or so... ::)

I did not realize at the time (or after) I pissed you off so badly. I can only apologize.

(BTW - I took more pics of your bike on that trip than I did of mine...)
 

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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #115 on: January 04, 2008, 12:36:34 am »
Apologies accepted!  Takes a big man to apologise.  No harm done.

Remember, I was very unsure of my ability on the KTM then, as I only had it for 2 or 3 days!

Going to bed now, have to take another WD on a big bike ride t'row! ;)
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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #116 on: January 04, 2008, 12:42:36 am »
My question was what is the allure with the small bikes? 

The simplicity.

Maybe another can shed some light / explain it better? Why does Rooipoot enjoy his DR200 more than his KLE500? Why does LeCap enjoy smaller bikes more when he has various big bikes at his disposal? Why did LGF sell his KTM for a DRZ400?

In your case - what is the allure with the big bike? 
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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #117 on: January 04, 2008, 12:43:25 am »
Sorry Uil. Lekker slaap.
 

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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #118 on: January 04, 2008, 12:49:04 am »
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Why did LGF sell his KTM for a DRZ400?

And you still think the stuff he smoke is ordinary tobacco? You know nooothing >:D  ;D


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In your case - what is the allure with the big bike?

Mmmm let me see, it fits me better ;D


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Re: The small bike thread
« Reply #119 on: January 04, 2008, 12:51:30 am »
Hehe

If that was the reason I should ride a Bakkie! ;D