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Re: Speeding
« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2012, 08:33:25 am »
I hate speeding and I wish everyone would slow down to 10Km/Hr slower than me so that I could slow down too.
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Re: Speeding
« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2012, 09:12:55 am »
With regards to speeding you have three options:
Don't speed
Don't get caught
Take responsibility for your actions

Speed is a factor in every single accident ever.
Speed is never a primary cause for accidents.

Define "responsibility" in this case?
A fine? A prison sentence? A donation to charity? A criminal record? All of the above? All the time or only sometimes? There's already about 5 different punishments for the same "crime" listed on this thread?

And for the record, a crime can only ever be said to have been committed when there is a victim. Of course, victimless crimes are a speciality of our organised crime bosses, erm metro police.

If the law is not applied equally, rather don't apply it it at all. And if you have to break several laws to "enforce" one, then you're not actually helping. Now if you wish to see the law applied, let's go lay charges of kidnapping and extortion against the orificers. You coming with?

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Re: Speeding
« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2012, 09:26:18 am »
I speed, I get caught, I pay my fines, I speed, I get caught, I pay my fines, I speed.... I drive a GTI, have you tried doing 60km/h in that car..  :laughing4:

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Re: Speeding
« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2012, 09:31:24 am »
Why now 30kph over limit?

It was always 60, then reduced to 40 not very long ago, has it been reduced AGAIN to 30 over limit??

I got R4000 fine for 221 in a 120 zone, I think you guys got shafted  :laughing4:   :laughing4:

When I was caught lock up speed was 180 though, then later it became 160. And now 150 ??

Like I said, I am not sure what the law states.
What I have also heard is it's 30km/h in suburbs and 40km/h on highways. How true that statement is, I'm not sure.
And like I said, it also depends on the area you're caught in. Different municipalities have different tolerances on their speed limits.
And I think it also depends if you get caught by camera or on the spot.
One of the policemen at the station said I was unlucky (for being caught on the spot) compared to guys that's being caught on camera because I'm actually being sued by the Metro Police whereas other guys get sent a fine through the mail and they can just pay the fine.
No fingerprints taken or dockets opened for them.
Well, I've definitely learnt my lesson.

My understanding of law is that you get arrested at 50% over the limit.

So 60 zone arrested above 90km/h; 80 zone arrested above 120km/h and 120 zone arrested above 180km/h.

The rest is up to you if you want to negotiate a reduced fine with a cop or a magistrate or just obey the law. I find it difficult to stay below the limit in most places on our roads. It has improved my negotiation skills. 2 years ago I decided never to pay a bribe again and have so far managed to talk my way out of every fine offered. The trick is to see how nice you can be and claim an empty wallet all the way.
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Re: Speeding
« Reply #44 on: November 27, 2012, 11:03:19 am »
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Re: Speeding
« Reply #45 on: November 27, 2012, 12:29:57 pm »
...Sticking your elbow out the window is the same as speeding. It's a gimmick.

Sorry dude, you're not the criminal in this story. You're the "mark".


Go away troll!!! Your handle says it all.

Sad to see how lots of  the "big guys" here on the forum never learned to be a man and take responsibility for thier actions.

With regards to speeding you have three options:
Don't speed
Don't get caught
Take responsibility for your actions

Or you might elect to become president or even better king or emperor of this wonderful country.
Then you can scrap all speed limits and we can all have some extra anarchy and lawlessness and an even higher death toll on the roads.

::)

"Don't get caught" is not an option.  :)
« Last Edit: November 27, 2012, 12:31:44 pm by Newbie1190 »
 

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Re: Speeding
« Reply #46 on: November 27, 2012, 05:19:47 pm »
While not endorsing speeding etc. I have seen many an accident involving speed and even those where no speed was involved.
The rules apply to both parties and those who prefer to remain named in civil terms have to abide by the same set of rules that govern us.

I have on many occasions challenged some of the speed infringements as they should be referred to as it remains unlawful to say “you have been speeding” until such a time as it has been irrefutably proven you have broken the law in terms of a speeding offence.
I come across these “ambushes” many times a week as I am a Traveling man for work purposes…

So for those of us who “travel” much here are the Gazetted rules for setting up such speed traps etc. that get broken almost every time in one way or another.
E.g. Hiding in a bush to obscure you seeing the trap cannot be considered level and stable ground. Etc. ect.

Take a read through the following rules attached and keep a note of them (I prefer my iPad as I can show the “officer” both English and Afrikaans versions, Hmm wonder why there are not Xhosa, Pedy or Setswana version of this to be found???)
These can be found on the .gov website for validation.
http://www.info.gov.za/gazette/acts/1996/a93-96.htm

Trust this keeps things in perspective and clarifies the rules of engagement.
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Re: Speeding
« Reply #47 on: November 27, 2012, 05:35:04 pm »
Trust this keeps things in perspective and clarifies the rules of engagement.

 :thumleft:

We need to speak, you clearly have a handle on things.

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Re: Speeding
« Reply #48 on: November 27, 2012, 06:09:42 pm »
I WIN  :biggrin:



Nope.

I got caught doing 243km/h.

Kakked myself when they pulled me over. :biggrin:

The rest of the story can be heard off air. NOT posting it on the interwebs.

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Re: Speeding
« Reply #49 on: November 28, 2012, 11:51:46 am »
Additional to my above quote...

Its only considered illegal when you get caught!!!  :ricky:
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Re: Speeding
« Reply #50 on: November 28, 2012, 12:23:42 pm »
Well I got pulled late yesterday for riding like a d@#s on the way home
the koel bay road doesn't like being dawdled on
and after a calm chat with a reasonable gentleman
we both went on our way me somewhat slower
With a clear reminder of how to behave on a public road
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Re: Speeding
« Reply #51 on: November 28, 2012, 12:42:32 pm »
I WIN  :biggrin:

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Re: Speeding
« Reply #52 on: November 28, 2012, 01:17:51 pm »
I WIN  :biggrin:

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PS: Vir die wat hom nie geken het nie, Jabu was n groot kakprater/maker op die WD's ;) - bv 220km/h met sy KTM. op die agterwiel op n grondpad met fotos om dit te staaf..........

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Re: Speeding
« Reply #53 on: November 28, 2012, 03:34:04 pm »
I speed, I get caught, I pay my fines, I speed, I get caught, I pay my fines, I speed.... I drive a GTI, have you tried doing 60km/h in that car..  :laughing4:


Careful which fines you pay - a lot of them are actually bogus, especially in Gauteng.
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Re: Speeding
« Reply #54 on: November 28, 2012, 06:03:46 pm »
Newbie1190 thanks for the post, its been an interesting discussion. :thumleft: I'll bear what you said in mind, definitely.

Vigilant: Not sure what you are on about but speeding is a crime, just like disobeying any law is a crime. Most crimes have victims, yes, and in this case the victim could be the pedestrian idiot who decided to cross the highway (also a crime), perhaps yourself as well - who knows? The point is not whether the law is right or wrong but that it is the law. So of course you should be "marked"  if you break the law - thats happens everywhere esle, why should it be any different in RSA?

A general observation: In most countries I have been to, by and large people adhere to the speed limit and the laws of the country, but in South Africa we feel that we have some kind entitlement, some kind of right to drive/ride how we feel fit regardless of the law or anyone else. As if society owes us something for some wrong doing. Of course Ive been guilty of this too. I guess it highlights that we have some deeper issues to deal with (perhaps general frustration with our lives?) that we all seem to think that we can be above the law so often. It's become quite contagious, and unfortunately the reason why so many people die on the road. Perhaps this attitude is also be the reason why we have a high crime rate as well. ::)
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Re: Speeding
« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2012, 02:52:36 pm »
Newbie1190 thanks for the post, its been an interesting discussion. :thumleft: I'll bear what you said in mind, definitely.

Vigilant: Not sure what you are on about but speeding is a crime, just like disobeying any law is a crime. Most crimes have victims, yes, and in this case the victim could be the pedestrian idiot who decided to cross the highway (also a crime), perhaps yourself as well - who knows? The point is not whether the law is right or wrong but that it is the law. So of course you should be "marked"  if you break the law - thats happens everywhere esle, why should it be any different in RSA?

A general observation: In most countries I have been to, by and large people adhere to the speed limit and the laws of the country, but in South Africa we feel that we have some kind entitlement, some kind of right to drive/ride how we feel fit regardless of the law or anyone else. As if society owes us something for some wrong doing. Of course Ive been guilty of this too. I guess it highlights that we have some deeper issues to deal with (perhaps general frustration with our lives?) that we all seem to think that we can be above the law so often. It's become quite contagious, and unfortunately the reason why so many people die on the road. Perhaps this attitude is also be the reason why we have a high crime rate as well. ::)

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Re: Speeding
« Reply #56 on: November 29, 2012, 05:44:25 pm »
Vigilant: Not sure what you are on about but speeding is a crime, just like disobeying any law is a crime.

Why don't SAPS care about speeding?
Because it's not a crime.

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Re: Speeding
« Reply #57 on: November 29, 2012, 06:52:01 pm »
Vigilant: Not sure what you are on about but speeding is a crime, just like disobeying any law is a crime.

Why don't SAPS care about speeding?
Because it's not a crime.

If that is what you honestly believe then your moral standards must be different and any further discussion will be fruitless. Either that.. or your logic is flawed:

The law is the law, if some choose not to enforce it that does not invalidate it. By the way I have been stopped by the SAPS for speeding, but that was back when the old regime was still in power.

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Re: Speeding
« Reply #58 on: November 29, 2012, 07:00:22 pm »
Speeding can be seen as both criminal, when done in a busy/built-up area, and as not serious, as on a deserted highway. It is up to the driver to use his/her own discretion. In all cases though, going faster than the legal limit for any specific zone, is illegal.
But in a country where 100HP bikes are the norm, I suppose most of us are then trespassers of the law? Like BB says, this could be where our lawlessness begins.
 

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Re: Speeding
« Reply #59 on: November 29, 2012, 11:47:54 pm »
I go back to my point above...

There is a section of road in my area where they have recently built a fancy new bus lane, the oriogional speed limit before construction was 70, then while setting up the new road markings etc they change the signs to read 60 however as I have it (and I could be under correction) the necessary government gazeting requirements have not yet been met to official zone this stretch of road to 60 as it is signposted.

So it is illegal to do 70 in this zone as shown by the signs put up at 60, however the law for this needs to be in an official document we know as the government gazette.
So is this a criminal offense according to the rules we learnt at drivers license school about road signs and the instructions of an office take presidence or is it considered irrelevant s the official zoning is still at 70???

In a court of law this should be a questionable case, and I'm sure someone here may be knowledgeable enough to let me know how this would play out in "night court"
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