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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2013, 02:53:48 pm »
He rides Enduro bikes, he has 5 KTM's on his farm in the north of Qatar.



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Camels or Palm Trees, Big Business in the Gulf!

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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2013, 02:29:59 pm »
Will be following this thread with interest :thumleft:
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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2013, 07:07:35 am »
8 months to go...and about 25 days.... For those of us who follow> :sleepy1: :sleepy2: :sleepy3:

Entries open around May not much time for those doing it to think about it.   :patch:  :ricky:

I still cant walk and I need another operation, so that's me out again ::)  :-\   :sad5:   :sad2: :sad11:

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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2013, 01:27:30 pm »
Maybe rumour, maybe true?
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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2013, 02:18:19 pm »
Its no Rumor:

A visit to Bolivia

The organisers of the Dakar were keen to discover new regions and were won over by the Bolivian landscapes, ranked among the most stunning ones that the continent has to offer. Nevertheless, their wish to take the 2014 edition’s competitors there had to be weighed up against the geographical and climatic difficulties, which make the preparation of a “classic” stage through Bolivia harder. So the Dakar's route will cross the border in a particular way, with a marathon stage in the south of the country. This unique format, which may only concern motorcycles, will allow a new strategy to be tested on the rally, opening the way to new possibilities.

Several marathon stages

The organisers’ extensive knowledge of Argentina and Chile will allow the stages to be meticulously marked out. To highlight the physical and strategic aspects comprising the essence of off-road races, the 2014 Dakar will boast longer special stages and shorter liaison sections. The distinctive features of North West Argentina’s tracks and the dunes will require the drivers to be attentive at all times and the Atacama Desert will appear in a new light with the difficulties that the vehicles will face there. With several marathon stages on the agenda, managing mechanics will be even more vital to ensuring the vehicles’ performance.



Im Shocked that Peru is not on the menu after those fantastic dunes, and even more so after Dakar recce vehicles were seen as far north as Ecuador this January. The route looks short as well, but for sure there will be plenty of loops.

The only thing I like about this route is that Bolivia is on it, because Bolivia is seriously awesome to ride.  :ricky: The other cool thing is there will be several marathon stages....That will be lekker.

But I say Bring on the Amageza!
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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2013, 07:13:36 pm »
So - who's riding?

Riaan van Niekerk - definately planning to ride, said so a few days ago
Darryl Curtiss - uncommittal, but his injuries were severe. Realistically, I'm not sure, but I was convinced he would pull out after the crash this year and he carried on, tough bugger.
Brett Cummings - I read he was negotiating with Husky for a ride?
Glen Grundy - rumour has it he plans to go again? Unfinished business....
BlueBull - nope, injured. Must be gutted.  :(
Jo Rust - the lady was planning to ride in 2014, but the last I heard was about 6 months ago?
Anybody else?

Has anybody heard of any plans for a South African Supporters tour in 2014?  :dontknow:
 

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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2013, 07:16:40 pm »
Yep Im out unfortunately. :-[

Dave Reeve is going back to finish what he left off after his crash on Stage 12 as well. :hello2:
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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2013, 07:18:40 pm »
I could arrange a lekker trip 6-7 day trip for the Bolivian portion I suppose. if there was enough interest. You'll be looking at about $150-200/day I would guess. I dont have the bikes but I have a friend who could get us a few 450's
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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2013, 08:38:32 pm »
Yep Im out unfortunately. :-[

Dave Reeve is going back to finish what he left off after his crash on Stage 12 as well. :hello2:

 :hal: That's the spirit! :wav:

From his FB page:

David has a nasty habit of springing surprises on you - last year I got the "lets do Dakar 2013" phone call at 6.30 am on the 6th January 2012. This year he very kindly offered me a cup of coffee on the 16th March at 0700 in the morning at Dorvic and then dropped the "we are going to try for 2014" bombshell on me!

So in case none of you have realised it by now - we are going to do our utmost to get him to Dakar in 2014. So once again, we hope that we will get your support and following to get Dave there. You only have to look at the stats of this year, to see that this Zambian can do Zambia and Mazabuka proud in the toughest game in the world.

So hang on - its going be an amazing story........... Gilly
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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2013, 02:37:40 am »
I could arrange a lekker trip 6-7 day trip for the Bolivian portion I suppose. if there was enough interest. You'll be looking at about $150-200/day I would guess. I dont have the bikes but I have a friend who could get us a few 450's

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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2013, 03:55:39 pm »

Tutorial | Dakar Budget Planning
by Manuel Lucchese


In this tutorial i will probably kill some of your Dakar dreams but don't be let down by the budget you really need for Dakar (which for sure will be more than what you expect if you never participated). If i managed to race 2 times Dakar starting with no budget when i entered then anyone of you can get to Dakar. In this tutorial i will help you understand the real essential costs you will have to upfront and i will show you 4 types of styles; Gipsy, Amateur, Semi-Pro and Pro. I will list all the costs and make up a total. I have decided to write this tutorial because when i entered for the first time Dakar i couldn't find enough information to see actually what would be the real essential total costs and ended up obviously needing more money than what i thought. Since i was supported by a factory (Husaberg) i thought i could make it with 20.000 Euros.....I was totally wrong.
 


I will start by showing you the actual amount i spent and consider most of the things i completely improvised because i didn't have the budget for them!
 


Gipsy Style (Just the real essentials, actually even less!)
 •14.800 € - Entry Fee
 •1.000 € - (850 Int. + 250 Nat.) International FIM License (Italy)
 •150 € - Medical Certificate for License
 •1.250 € - Airplane Ticket with 46kg of luggage (2 bags of 23kg each)
 •5.000-6.000 € - 1 International Rally like Abu Dhabi Desert Challenge (to be accepted you must have done at least 1 desert rally)
 •800 € - Trip to Le Havre to load the bike for South America (From Verona, Italy)
 •800 € - Trip to Le Havre to collect bike once the bike comes back (From Verona, Italy)
 •Free - Bike (I was lucky i found a bike)
 •Free - Bike Preparation (I was even more lucky that the bike i found was fully prepared)
 •Free - No Assistance (But i managed to find lots of people that helped me)
 •Free - Tyres and Mousse (Everyday i searched used ones around the bivouac except Marathon Stage where thanks to the guys of ADV Rider Forum i was given the budget to buy 2 complete sets)
 •Free - Hotel (before start, rest day, after finish) I met on Facebook local people and slept at their house.
 •Free - Compulsary ERTF and TDCOM Mount Kits and Antenna's (The bike i found had it all!)
 •1.000 € - Fuel and miscellaneous expenses during the race (average)
 •4.000 € - Extra unpredictable expenses during and before the rally (average)
 
 
 
TOTAL: 28.800 € and an incredible amount of stress, many question marks on if you will survive and you just have to cruise being careful not to crash riding like you are on an adventure tour. At least you get the time to say hi to the spectators :P
 
{Edit  It was a miracle and on the generosity of a lot of friends that Manuel Finished the Dakar on this budget, IMHO totally unrealistic to repeat}


Amateur Style with NO ASSISTANCE (Malles Moto)
 •14.800 € - Entry Fee
 •1.000 € - (850 Int. + 250 Nat.) International FIM License (Italy)
 •150 € - Medical Certificate for License
 •1.250 € - Airplane Ticket with 46kg of luggage (2 bags of 23kg each)
 •5.000-6.000 € - 1 International Rally like Abu Dhabi Desert Challenge (to be accepted you must have done at least 1 desert rally)
 •800 € - Trip to Le Havre to load the bike for South America (From Verona, Italy)
 •800 € - Trip to Le Havre to collect bike once the bike comes back (From Verona, Italy)
 •9.190 € - Bike Yamaha WR 450cc
 •5.500 € - Bike Preparation (Safari Tanks Kit, Force Bashplate, Low Exhaust, Tower, Fairing, Roadbook, Tripmaster, Steering Damper, Harder Suspension Springs, Extra Wheel Set)
 •2.000 € - Spare Parts to carry in your trunk
 •Free - No Assistance (Category Malles Moto) the organization will transport a set of extra wheels and 2 trunks.
 •1.250 € - Tyres (5 complete sets, thats 1 set new every 3 stages)
 •1.600 € - Tyres (5 complete sets, thats 1 set new every 3 stages)
 •600 € - Hotel (before start, rest day, after finish) Approximately 3 nights before the start, 2 at rest day and 2 after the finish
 •450 € - Compulsary ERTF and TDCOM Mount Kits and Antenna's
 •100 € - Compulsary Safety Kit
 •1.000 € - Fuel and miscellaneous expenses during the race (average)
 •4.000 € - Extra unpredictable expenses during and before the rally (average)
 
 
 
TOTAL: 49.590 € and you have to do your own mechanics and hope the engine will last for the whole Dakar so no pushing just cruising
 


Semi-Pro Style
 •14.800 € - Entry Fee
 •1.000 € - (850 Int. + 250 Nat.) International FIM License (Italy)
 •150 € - Medical Certificate for License
 •1.250 € - Airplane Ticket with 46kg of luggage (2 bags of 23kg each)
 •5.000-6.000 € - 1 International Rally like Abu Dhabi Desert Challenge (to be accepted you must have done at least 1 desert rally)
 •25.000 € -  Package (Assistance + Full Rally Bike Rental)
 •Included in Rental Package - Trip to Le Havre to load the bike for South America (From Verona, Italy)
 •Included in Rental Package - Trip to Le Havre to collect bike once the bike comes back (From Verona, Italy)
 •Included in Rental Package - Bike Yamaha WR 450cc
 •Included in Rental Package- Bike Preparation Full Rallye
 •Included in Rental Package - Assistance
 •4.000 € - Spare Engine
 •3.500 € - Consumable Spare Parts
 •1.750 € - Tyres (7 complete sets, thats 1 set new every 2 stages)
 •2.240 € - Tyres (7 complete sets, thats 1 set new every 2 stages)
 •600 € - Hotel (before start, rest day, after finish) Approximately 3 nights before the start, 2 during rest day and 2 after the finish
 •450 € - Compulsary ERTF and TDCOM Mount Kits and Antenna's
 •100 € - Compulsary Safety Kit
 •1.000 € - Fuel and miscellaneous expenses during the race (average)
 •4.000 € - Extra unpredictable expenses during and before the rally (average)
 
 
 
TOTAL: 64.340 € and you can worry only about racing
 


Pro Style Top 15 Try
 •14.800 € - Entry Fee
 •8.700 € - Personal Mechanic Entry Fee
 •3.500 € - Assistance Truck Entry Fee (If you already own one)
 •3.500 € - Caravan Entry Fee
 •8.700 € - Caravan Driver Entry Fee
 •6.000 € - Caravan Rental
 •2.000 € - Mechanic Salary
 •Free - Caravan Driver (Anyone like a friend)
 •1.000 € - (850 Int. + 250 Nat.) International FIM License (Italy)
 •150 € - Medical Certificate for License
 •1.250 € - Airplane Ticket with 46kg of luggage (2 bags of 23kg each)
 •1.250 € - Mechanic Airplane Ticket
 •1.250 € - Caravan driver Airplane Ticket
 •5.000-6.000 € - 1 International Rally like Abu Dhabi Desert Challenge (to be accepted you must have done at least 1 desert rally)
 •2.000 € - Trip to Le Havre to load vehicles for South America (From Verona, Italy)
 •2.000 € - Trip to Le Havre to collect vehicles once they come back (From Verona, Italy)
 •25.000 € - Bike Ktm Rally Replica
 •0 € - Bike Preparation not needed on Ktm Rally Replica
 •5.000 € - Spare Engine
 •2.500 € - Access to KTM Spare Parts
 •3.500 € - Tyres (14 complete sets, thats 1 set new every stage)
 •4.480 € - Tyres (14 complete sets, thats 1 set new every stage)
 •0 € - Hotel (Sleep in Caravan during also the Rally with all comforts)
 •450 € - Compulsary ERTF and TDCOM Mount Kits and Antenna's
 •100 € - Compulsary Safety Kit
 •6.000 € - Fuel and miscellaneous expenses during the race (average for all vehicles: Bike, Truck and Caravan)
 •5.000 € - Extra unpredictable expenses during and before the rally (average)
 
 
 
TOTAL: 113.130 € to try and be Top 15
 
Eventually if you follow this organization scheme you can divide the caravan expenses and assistance truck with another rider resulting in:
 
TOTAL: 98.630 € with each rider having its own mechanic.
 
If instead you plan on attempting a Top 5 Finish, the budget needed exceeds 200.000 euros because you have to consider all the testing involved during the year, the special parts for the bike, lots of spare parts changed every day and so on.
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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2013, 04:25:38 pm »
pic from the Dakar's FB page.... route scouting. darn cool photo, hope they aren't lost!   :laughing4:

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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2013, 04:41:47 pm »
The Dakar scouts must be pretty skilled riders themselves - quite a nice job, I imagine...
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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2013, 04:26:20 pm »
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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2013, 05:38:24 am »
:imaposer: :laughing4:
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy
Nothing clears the head like a throttle twisted and the fresh air on the tip of the nose

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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2013, 07:32:41 am »
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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2013, 10:13:48 am »
The rumours doing the rounds on the interwebs is that Sebastian Leob is coming to the Dakar in
2014 as a team-mate of Nassar Al Attiyah and they will be riding Buggies.
 

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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2013, 04:39:42 pm »
The rumours doing the rounds on the interwebs is that Sebastian Leob is coming to the Dakar in
2014 as a team-mate of Nassar Al Attiyah and they will be riding Buggies.

 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:


I spent the whole day today with Nasser Al Attiyah, driving, fishing, braaing and talking a lot of general kak!! What a great guy. He gave me some dune driving tips, and I followed him in my Jeep Wrangler through some lekker dunes. He drives a Landcruiser of course....  :ricky:

Saw him take a spin in some guy's home built buggy, man he was flying, literally, he jumped that thing like a MX bike!!

Guess what he does as part of his fitness training...... He rides Enduro bikes, he has 5 KTM's on his farm in the north of Qatar.

I can tell you one thing, there is gonna be BIG news coming from him and his team for 2014 Dakar....... I know already....  :lol8:




And I have even more juicy info than this..........
 
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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #38 on: April 22, 2013, 04:57:15 pm »
The rumours doing the rounds on the interwebs is that Sebastian Leob is coming to the Dakar in
2014 as a team-mate of Nassar Al Attiyah and they will be riding Buggies.

 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:


I spent the whole day today with Nasser Al Attiyah, driving, fishing, braaing and talking a lot of general kak!! What a great guy. He gave me some dune driving tips, and I followed him in my Jeep Wrangler through some lekker dunes. He drives a Landcruiser of course....  :ricky:

Saw him take a spin in some guy's home built buggy, man he was flying, literally, he jumped that thing like a MX bike!!

Guess what he does as part of his fitness training...... He rides Enduro bikes, he has 5 KTM's on his farm in the north of Qatar.

I can tell you one thing, there is gonna be BIG news coming from him and his team for 2014 Dakar....... I know already....  :lol8:




And I have even more juicy info than this..........
 
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Re: Dakar 2014
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2013, 03:40:06 am »
Despres is going to be part of it...That's my guess
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