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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #80 on: February 04, 2013, 03:02:15 pm »

My friend wants to do it on his xr650l, do you think its possible? He isn't very experienced


Rob and Muz , while it is possible on a 650 it is just unnecessary hard work and is more likely to turn them away from the sport for life , especially if they are not very experienced , a 200 or 250 - 2 stroke is probably your best bet .

And a 300?
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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #81 on: February 04, 2013, 03:22:14 pm »
Baie geluk aan Riki wat die vroue-afd gewen het.  Ek moet s (amper) 50, menopausal, dik om die boud en lekker onfiks, het nie so lekker gemeng net die 2T 200 en Hamburger Hill nie! Ek't 'n nuwe taal leer praat!  Het dit net nie gehad om wr daai verdomde bult aan te durf nie.  Jirre, ek's nou nog gedaan!  ...as die "off-roads" so lyk, hoe lyk die enduros's...??? ::)

 :laughing4: Ek is bly ek is nie al een wat afgekak het op daai bult  :imaposer: My lyf is self nie gelukig met my vandag, aches 'n pains all over  :-\
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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #82 on: February 04, 2013, 03:30:13 pm »
There are some of the Offroad events that are certainly possible on a 650, Wellington probably being one of them. If I'm not mistaken Gideon did it on his 690 last year. But you would have died on a 650 this past Saturday. IMHO, only a very experienced rider would get up that climb on a bike that size.

There was a guy there on an old school Honda CR500 2 smoke. I'd love to know how that beast handled the climb  :o He probably only touched ground when he went over the top  :)

Muz, 2 smokes are way cheaper to maintain than 4 strokes. Your best bet is to look for a KDX or KTM200/250. Make sure you can touch the ground because it's moerse important on the rocky climbs. The okes with long legs definetly have an advantage here.

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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #83 on: February 04, 2013, 03:34:53 pm »
There are some of the Offroad events that are certainly possible on a 650, Wellington probably being one of them. If I'm not mistaken Gideon did it on his 690 last year. But you would have died on a 650 this past Saturday. IMHO, only a very experienced rider would get up that climb on a bike that size.

There was a guy there on an old school Honda CR500 2 smoke. I'd love to know how that beast handled the climb  :o He probably only touched ground when he went over the top  :)

Muz, 2 smokes are way cheaper to maintain than 4 strokes. Your best bet is to look for a KDX or KTM200/250. Make sure you can touch the ground because it's moerse important on the rocky climbs. The okes with long legs definetly have an advantage here.

Mine will be on the market soon, I'm upgrading to a 300 KTM or Husaberg.

Cool, so I guess a 300 would be perfect
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« Reply #84 on: February 04, 2013, 03:55:05 pm »
For the Offroad series I'll stick my neck out and say a 250 4 stroke is probably the best bike to use. Nice linear power, no sudden surprises, still fairly light with enough power to get you out of trouble and lots of speed.

However, the new 300 2 strokes make torque very similar to a 4 stroke. The KTM comes with 3 different springs for the power valve that allows you to determine how peppy you want the bike. With the weak spring the bike behaves like a typical 2 stroke MX bike and is a handful to keep under control. With the strongest spring it mellows out and make more linear torque throughout the range making it managable for a noobie. The down side is it doesn't then have the top end of the 4 strokes. And then of course there's the suspension, it's simply in a different class altogether  :drif:
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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #85 on: February 04, 2013, 04:38:38 pm »
Thans Buff,

I have never favoured the 4 strokes, and the sound of a 300 2 stroke sounds fantastic! So that is probably the option I will go for, either that or the 250 2 stroke.
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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #86 on: February 04, 2013, 05:43:00 pm »
There are some of the Offroad events that are certainly possible on a 650, Wellington probably being one of them. If I'm not mistaken Gideon did it on his 690 last year. But you would have died on a 650 this past Saturday. IMHO, only a very experienced rider would get up that climb on a bike that size.

There was a guy there on an old school Honda CR500 2 smoke. I'd love to know how that beast handled the climb  :o He probably only touched ground when he went over the top  :)

Muz, 2 smokes are way cheaper to maintain than 4 strokes. Your best bet is to look for a KDX or KTM200/250. Make sure you can touch the ground because it's moerse important on the rocky climbs. The okes with long legs definetly have an advantage here.

Mine will be on the market soon, I'm upgrading to a 300 KTM or Husaberg.

I once rode a KX 500 up a very steep hill that I used to really struggle to get up on my KDX. On the 500 I got to the top and thought "what hill?"  :ricky: The power and torque of the thing was just unbelievable
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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #87 on: February 04, 2013, 05:46:39 pm »
The down side is it doesn't then have the top end of the 4 strokes. And then of course there's the suspension, it's simply in a different class altogether  :drif:

I'm not so sure about that; I peronally don't like the PDS rear on the KTM's, I much prefer a linkage system. There is nothing wrong with the KDX syspension especially if it has had some valving work done.
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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #88 on: February 04, 2013, 07:23:30 pm »
Very well done Buff! :hello2:

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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #89 on: February 04, 2013, 07:59:01 pm »
I personally prefer the 250 - 2 stroke , the 300 is great but that last hour of any enduro or offroad it does become just a bit much , Rob if you are referring to a 300 for your novice mate then I would rather look at something smaller , the KDX is a great forgiving bike to spend a year or 2 on .
Muz - the 250 - 4 strokes are very maintenance intensive ,the running costs without anything going bang are easily 4 to 5 times as much as a 200 - 2 stroke ,then again if something does go wrong on a 4 stroke there is a lot more to break so the repair bill is astronomical , and as much as you like Honda they also have the worst reputation of the 250 - 4 strokes .
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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #90 on: February 04, 2013, 08:19:08 pm »
I personally prefer the 250 - 2 stroke , the 300 is great but that last hour of any enduro or offroad it does become just a bit much , Rob if you are referring to a 300 for your novice mate then I would rather look at something smaller , the KDX is a great forgiving bike to spend a year or 2 on .
Muz - the 250 - 4 strokes are very maintenance intensive ,the running costs without anything going bang are easily 4 to 5 times as much as a 200 - 2 stroke ,then again if something does go wrong on a 4 stroke there is a lot more to break so the repair bill is astronomical , and as much as you like Honda they also have the worst reputation of the 250 - 4 strokes .

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« Reply #91 on: February 04, 2013, 08:27:07 pm »

You hit it on the head Dux  :thumleft:

Experience bud , I have seen a lot of that first hand .
Isn't it just so strange though , the Jap bikes are all 4 stroke , and the European manufacturers are all going 2 stroke again , KTM , GasGas , Husaberg , Husqvarna , Beta , TM , Ossa and even Sherco are busy developing a range of 250 , 300 - 2 strokes as a 2014 release , I reckon we are being spoilt for choice .
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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #92 on: February 04, 2013, 08:31:50 pm »

You hit it on the head Dux  :thumleft:

Experience bud , I have seen a lot of that first hand .
Isn't it just so strange though , the Jap bikes are all 4 stroke , and the European manufacturers are all going 2 stroke again , KTM , GasGas , Husaberg , Husqvarna , Beta , TM , Ossa and even Sherco are busy developing a range of 250 , 300 - 2 strokes as a 2014 release , I reckon we are being spoilt for choice .

I don't think the small European companies can compete with the Japs head on and they are exploiting a market the Japs don't seem to have an interest in. 
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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #93 on: February 04, 2013, 08:45:05 pm »
The small guys might struggle but the bigger ones can do well , the Japs just do not seem to have a handle on the enduro market worldwide , although I am sure if the big 4 put their minds to it they could build excellent 2 stroke enduro bikes , but they don't so the Euro's can reap the rewards . Actually Kawasaki and Suzuki don't have any enduro models either 2 or 4 stroke in their lineup at all .
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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #94 on: February 04, 2013, 08:54:06 pm »
The small guys might struggle but the bigger ones can do well , the Japs just do not seem to have a handle on the enduro market worldwide , although I am sure if the big 4 put their minds to it they could build excellent 2 stroke enduro bikes , but they don't so the Euro's can reap the rewards . Actually Kawasaki and Suzuki don't have any enduro models either 2 or 4 stroke in their lineup at all .

Has Kawasaki stop making the KLX 450?
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« Reply #95 on: February 04, 2013, 08:59:02 pm »
Yip , they dropped the KLX a few years back , the KX450  :biggrin: :biggrin: that was beeeeg fun , but also a beeeeg handful in technical riding , alas that was a sponsored ride so when I left Kawasaki I had to return the 450 , but I wouldn't mind getting one again as a playbike  ;D
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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #96 on: February 04, 2013, 09:09:15 pm »
Very well done Buff! :hello2:

Now where were those phone pictures you promised while you were waiting in line?

Check pg.3 again Neil  :thumleft:
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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #97 on: February 04, 2013, 09:19:05 pm »
Ideal bike...from the very little experiance that I have, the YZ250 2T is more of a handfull than the KTM 300.

One bike that gets overlooked is the KTM200 2T. It is as much a "kanniedood" as the KDX, a bit more expensive, but at least new and spares are obtainable (e.g plastics for the KDX is difficult to get)

I have a friend that has a KTM200 that he uses as a (fast) farmbike, 40 000km on the clock.

Money no objection, casting away doubt as to my ability to use more than 80% that the KTM 200 has to offer on an enduro circuit, I reckon next years Husky 300 2t is the bike to have.

If you can't wait, GasGas, KTM Husaberg will also do, but consider the KTM200 if you are not that experianced, or unfit, or or or..
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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #98 on: February 04, 2013, 09:26:09 pm »
On the 500 I got to the top and thought "what hill?"  :ricky: The power and torque of the thing was just unbelievable

The problem with the 500 2T is not the power, but when stuff goes wrong...It goes horribly wrong very fast...but the rest is fine  ;D
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Re: Buff's 2013 Offroad (WC) - with 1st RR pg.3
« Reply #99 on: February 04, 2013, 09:35:33 pm »
On the 500 I got to the top and thought "what hill?"  :ricky: The power and torque of the thing was just unbelievable

The problem with the 500 2T is not the power, but when stuff goes wrong...It goes horribly wrong very fast...but the rest is fine  ;D

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