1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride

[Hondsekierie]

I'm keen to see the first ride report where the 990 brigade and an 1190 R (with real tyres) do a proper trip offroad and do a real comparison!!! 

Watch this space.....  The 1190R will need a much narrower front rim with a tube first - amongst some other mods before one can take it on an expedition.  Otherwise it will have a smiley after the first rock and be stuck because the wheel will not pump up again.  Or we would have to keep it at 2.5 bar, stay out of the rocks and keep the speed down.  Which we will do once Alwyn has had his knee replacement.....   

Wat van n sagte hamertjie om die rim terug te slaan tot die die 'tyre' weer ordentlike bead het om teen te kan 'seat'

Ons het in Angola met die S10 gesien dit werk net tot op 'n punt.  'n Hamer se impak kraak daai rim sommer gou, dan is die issue groter.  Press werk beter.  Maar dit eindig op dieselfde plek.  Bewerige voorwiel met 'n tjoep in.

[Hondsekierie]

Hoor wat jy se.  Tubeless bly maar konstante issue as die rim buig

[Manic]

Hoor wat jy se.  Tubeless bly maar konstante issue as die rim buig

En tube bly n issue as jy konstant dorings in jou wiele kry.

Ek weier om n bike met tubes te ry, dit was die enigste rede hoekom ek nie al 2 jaar terug n 990 gekoop het nie.

Ek hou nie van werk nie, veral nie as ek nog in die bos is met full kit en die son brand my ook nog nie  
  

[GG]

I'm keen to see the first ride report where the 990 brigade and an 1190 R (with real tyres) do a proper trip offroad and do a real comparison!!! 

Watch this space.....  The 1190R will need a much narrower front rim with a tube first - amongst some other mods before one can take it on an expedition.  Otherwise it will have a smiley after the first rock and be stuck because the wheel will not pump up again.  Or we would have to keep it at 2.5 bar, stay out of the rocks and keep the speed down.  Which we will do once Alwyn has had his knee replacement.....   

 SGB  I have had my 21 inch tubeless on my GSA for 55 000 km's and done some serious rocky bits with a TKC and had no problem except the odd puncture which was fixed in a flash! That was a 19 inch front on the S 10, and not sure a sample of 1 is a good test. But please invite me on the ride 

[SGB]

I'm keen to see the first ride report where the 990 brigade and an 1190 R (with real tyres) do a proper trip offroad and do a real comparison!!! 

Watch this space.....  The 1190R will need a much narrower front rim with a tube first - amongst some other mods before one can take it on an expedition.  Otherwise it will have a smiley after the first rock and be stuck because the wheel will not pump up again.  Or we would have to keep it at 2.5 bar, stay out of the rocks and keep the speed down.  Which we will do once Alwyn has had his knee replacement.....   

 SGB  I have had my 21 inch tubeless on my GSA for 55 000 km's and done some serious rocky bits with a TKC and had no problem except the odd puncture which was fixed in a flash! That was a 19 inch front on the S 10, and not sure a sample of 1 is a good test. But please invite me on the ride 

The Excel or DID rims - 1.85" wide, are much stiffer than the 2.15" wide stock rims on the 990's.  I have always replaced mine with the narrower rims to get rid of the problem.  Not sure what 21" rim you have on the GSA, sounds like a strong one.  The issue is not the diameter.  It is the width, obviously combined with tyre pressure, speed and terrain.  I found that keeping the narrow rims at about 2 Bar works OK.  The smileys form when the suspension bottoms out. So, there is also a case for ensuring that your suspension works for the conditions.  The 1190 R will also need the progressive springs, it is a bit soft up-front.  Nothing of the above is new.  We had to do it on the 990's.  We will have to do it on the 1190's too.

[GG]

Hmmm interesting info, my 21 was built by woody's wheel worx in the states and laced onto a GSA hub and is a worked Excel rim.... I hope you are wrong about the 1190 R rim    but i suspect not, however I am going to find out soon enough!

[SGB]

Jip GG, I have also bought wheels from Woody's - their stuff is top class.  I have already seen one 1190R with a smiley that caused a blow-out and he had to be recovered by trailer.  Rider did not have a tube with him.  Not sure how good it is for the TP sensors to be removed and replaced all the time?  Let us see and learn.

[Mocke]

After some sharing of wisdom, the team of 5 set off for Petrusburg.  Fuelled up first.  The 990R took 14 litres, the 1190 took 15.  So it is not lighter on fuel when ridden more or less between the torque peak and power peak for long periods.

Hi Stefan, again well written. Above quote is the part I do not like!! Stranded before in the mountains on my 990R without fuel. For me an adventure bike needs more range than the 250km I got from my 990, especially with stupid fuel prices in some of our neighbouring countries. I took into consideration the slightly bigger fuel tank on the 1190`s.

[SGB]

After some sharing of wisdom, the team of 5 set off for Petrusburg.  Fuelled up first.  The 990R took 14 litres, the 1190 took 15.  So it is not lighter on fuel when ridden more or less between the torque peak and power peak for long periods.

Hi Stefan, again well written. Above quote is the part I do not like!! Stranded before in the mountains on my 990R without fuel. For me an adventure bike needs more range than the 250km I got from my 990, especially with stupid fuel prices in some of our neighbouring countries. I took into consideration the slightly bigger fuel tank on the 1190`s.

They claim better fuel consumption on the 1190 than the 990.  On this ride, we were a bit heavy on the gas.  I am sure it can / will be a lot lighter on fuel than what we got here.  The bigger tank on the 1190 I am sure will be good for 300 km + under normal conditions.  Not because it is much lighter on fuel, but because the tank is bigger. On an expedition into foreign territory, one tends to slow down a lot due to the risks involved - causing much better fuel tank range.

Truth remains - there is only one way to get horsepower on the floor, that is through the FI inlet throats.  No other way.  The maths about cubic capacity, compression ratio, torque and kW have not changed.  Been the same since Einstein's time.

[PEET WEET]

Luiste manne jul kan ma luister as Oom SGB praat....Hy praat nie uit spekulasie nie   maar uit ondervonding...
Die manne ry grondpad met die goed....staan nie met hul op pavements en strate en vertel hoe hul grondpaaie ry nie....

N maat van my het n 1190 R....mal oor sy bike maar wel so paar klein punte wat miskien rede tot kommer kan wees...Een is die sagte rims....hy se hy verkies die 990 se rims met n tube......Met sy 990 kon hy selfde klippe slaan en wind sou nie dadelik uit want hyt n tube in..met sy 1190 het die lug die rim dadelik verlaat en hy was amper in die moeilikheid......1190 sin bietjie sag maar trek soos n resieskar met nos  !!!

[RobC]

OK, the bike is back safely.  All yours now....

Huge waiting list to test drive.  my time is booked next week Thursday afternoon... at last.
I did sit on it this morning, significantly lower than the R... I will see if I like the 19" front too...

[Manic]

Luiste manne jul kan ma luister as Oom SGB praat....Hy praat nie uit spekulasie nie  maar uit ondervonding...
Die manne ry grondpad met die goed....staan nie met hul op pavements en strate en vertel hoe hul grondpaaie ry nie....

N maat van my het n 1190 R....mal oor sy bike maar wel so paar klein punte wat miskien rede tot kommer kan wees...Een is die sagte rims....hy se hy verkies die 990 se rims met n tube......Met sy 990 kon hy selfde klippe slaan en wind sou nie dadelik uit want hyt n tube in..met sy 1190 het die lug die rim dadelik verlaat en hy was amper in die moeilikheid......1190 sin bietjie sag maar trek soos n resieskar met nos  !!!

Het julle n Specsavers daar in die dorp? Stuur jou pel soontoe.
Dink n nuwe bril om klippe te sien is cheaper as n nuwe rim        

[RobC]

Fist let me say thanks to Marathom Motors for letting me loose on their baby...

Not much more to add as to what SGB has said except... WHADDABIKE!

Guided missile springs to mind as well.

MD and myself set off down the N1 to Edenburg for scones, milkshake and coffee, then nipped over to Reddersburg and back via the N6, crossed over back to the N1 at Leeuberg on some dirt and found those road tyres to be suprisingly sure footed!

I'm not in the market for a bike at present BUT for me there is no other choice. KTM have this one sold on me for sure!

PS... while parked in MD's driveway the bike almost caused an accident with a bunch of laaities on bicycles and bikes rubbernecking as they went past. I've never seen a XR125 stop so quickly.
Had to show them all the bells and whistles of the bike... they left with a "Lekkker ry oom!" and we did!