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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #80 on: November 27, 2013, 03:56:13 pm »
Ok. Say you weigh in at 130kgs and want to do a couple of Enduro's during the year, which bike will suite you better? 300 2T or 350/450 4T?

The 350 will be the easiest to ride.
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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #81 on: November 27, 2013, 04:21:21 pm »
Ok. Say you weigh in at 130kgs and want to do a couple of Enduro's during the year, which bike will suite you better? 300 2T or 350/450 4T?

For a beginner in the sport, definitely the 350 4T. It is a easy bike to ride. Still plenty sufficient power for your needs. Stay away from the 450.
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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #82 on: November 27, 2013, 04:46:17 pm »
What about a guy like me (bit overweight, ask J-Dog ::) ) who knows 4T well, and can ride a little bit better than average perhaps? I think I would hurt the 350...which is really light but Im not sure I would be that impressed having ridden a 4T the whole time? I realize the 350 is much lighter.  So would 2T be better and if that is the case what 2T?
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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #83 on: November 27, 2013, 05:18:36 pm »
Wouldn't say I am a novice as such. Won the then 'Transvaal' Regional 500/Open championship in my laaitie years. Had my fair share of racing over the years with CR125, CR250 YZ400/426, WR450, Ktm 525. But it's been 8 years since I've done any serious racing and I gained a whopping 25kg's since then. Just checking what the general feeling is for the bikes of today. I know I will be comfortable on a 450/500, but just wondering what you okes think about a 350 or a 300 2T for enduro riding and maybe even the Roof (Been saying for the last 4 years I must do just one Roof in my life, maybe 2014).. :thumleft:
 

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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #84 on: November 27, 2013, 05:44:21 pm »
Those 350's have plenty sufficient power for technical riding. The new 300 2T's are also a lot smoother than in the old days. Best thing is to go and test them.
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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #85 on: November 27, 2013, 07:00:36 pm »
Agreed , go along and test ,  my personal favourite is the 200 - 2stroke , more than enough power , light weight but yet I still feel in control , I raced a 200 in regional enduro's and changed to a 450 , it took me about 8 months before I started getting the same results as I was getting on the 200 , the 450 while great was just too tiring so the first half of the endure I would do ok and then get progressively slower , on the 200 I would have a difference of 1 to 2 minutes over a 45 to 60 minute lap between my fastest and slowest lap .
So maybe for a novice the 200 - 2 stroke or 250 - 4 stroke , I find the 250 - 4 stroke just a bit more hard work in very slow riding , but in low traction situations they score big time .
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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #86 on: November 27, 2013, 09:28:51 pm »
My favourite remains the 300 2 stroke, it's torque is addictive and it really gets shifting when you get it on the pipe.

This is the 300 Gas Gas that Dylan Donald road at the Roof, schweet looking ride :thumleft:

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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #87 on: November 28, 2013, 07:22:41 am »
I see you taking quite a liking to things red lately  >:D
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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #88 on: November 28, 2013, 07:39:28 am »
When your on a budget like me, I would rather buy a 2nd hand 2Stroke than a 4Stroke
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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #89 on: November 28, 2013, 07:41:45 am »
Heavier guy + enduro = 300  :thumleft:
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« Reply #90 on: November 28, 2013, 09:04:09 am »
Heavier guy + enduro = 300  :thumleft:

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« Reply #91 on: November 28, 2013, 09:07:32 am »
Heavier guy + enduro = 300  :thumleft:


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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #92 on: November 28, 2013, 09:48:45 am »
Heavier guy + enduro = 300  :thumleft:


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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #93 on: November 28, 2013, 12:42:09 pm »
Those 350's have plenty sufficient power for technical riding. The new 300 2T's are also a lot smoother than in the old days. Best thing is to go and test them.


Hi Guys, been following this thread with interest and like you all say it's personal preference, as well as technology that gets passed down each year, it's quiet amazing what 5 years of technology has done for the 4T motor not to mention the suspension on these bikes.
I seem to agree that the 350 T4 would suit a weekend worrier more so than a big 300, the new 4T bikes with there fuel injected motors these days are just so smooth and run off engine braking much less intrusive than the carb equivalent 250 4T have been of the past,  it's almost cheating riding the technical stuff these days on a new 4T and then you throw in a ReKluse clutch and just point and squirt. Not that I'm a fan of the clutch but if you sitting on a bike for 9hr a day of af kak for 2 days it's a must.
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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #94 on: November 28, 2013, 01:01:12 pm »

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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #95 on: November 29, 2013, 05:03:49 pm »
For someone like myself and Dave[Berserker] , who grew up with bikes and owned both 4 and 2strokes, the technological jump that 4strokes have made since pre and post 1999 ,
is simply amazing. They really are superb machines now, as proven by the win at The Roof this year!
However, as a weekender, I still love the "play and leave" style of the 2stroke. It has no engine oil to change, along with filters. There are no valves, thus no clearances to keep an eye on. The 2stroke do not have cams and camshaft drives that eventually need seeing to.
The 2stroke's beauty lies in it's simplicity, and it's toughness.
 

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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #96 on: November 29, 2013, 07:05:15 pm »
For someone like myself and Dave[Berserker] , who grew up with bikes and owned both 4 and 2strokes, the technological jump that 4strokes have made since pre and post 1999 ,
is simply amazing. They really are superb machines now, as proven by the win at The Roof this year!
However, as a weekender, I still love the "play and leave" style of the 2stroke. It has no engine oil to change, along with filters. There are no valves, thus no clearances to keep an eye on. The 2stroke do not have cams and camshaft drives that eventually need seeing to.
The 2stroke's beauty lies in it's simplicity, and it's toughness.

The new generation 4 strokes are great to ride but that does come with a heavy maintenance schedule , skip out on that and you are looking at serious damage , unfortunately when things do go wrong on the 4 strokes a lot of things get damaged , generally to the tune of about R20k +  ??? ???
Compare that to a CR250 I just quoted on , new conrod and piston kit , new bearings and seals all round , a cool R6k .
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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #97 on: November 29, 2013, 11:23:46 pm »
For someone like myself and Dave[Berserker] , who grew up with bikes and owned both 4 and 2strokes, the technological jump that 4strokes have made since pre and post 1999 ,
is simply amazing. They really are superb machines now, as proven by the win at The Roof this year!
However, as a weekender, I still love the "play and leave" style of the 2stroke. It has no engine oil to change, along with filters. There are no valves, thus no clearances to keep an eye on. The 2stroke do not have cams and camshaft drives that eventually need seeing to.
The 2stroke's beauty lies in it's simplicity, and it's toughness.

The new generation 4 strokes are great to ride but that does come with a heavy maintenance schedule , skip out on that and you are looking at serious damage , unfortunately when things do go wrong on the 4 strokes a lot of things get damaged , generally to the tune of about R20k +  ??? ???
Compare that to a CR250 I just quoted on , new conrod and piston kit , new bearings and seals all round , a cool R6k .

I love my 2strokes!! :thumleft:
 

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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #98 on: December 04, 2013, 03:28:13 am »
Here is some nice video thanks to Breekbeen! :thumleft:

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Re: 4T or 2T?
« Reply #99 on: December 23, 2013, 11:24:42 am »
Get a barking mad RM250 and be done with it  :biggrin:




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