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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #140 on: June 21, 2013, 08:43:27 am »
Let's get Jules to compare the 690 and 660, he has owned them both.  :thumleft:
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #141 on: June 21, 2013, 08:59:29 am »
Let's get Jules to compare the 690 and 660, he has owned them both.  :thumleft:

Isn't the whole point of this discussion that they don't?
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #142 on: June 21, 2013, 09:24:53 am »
Uhm yes, but he would be in a good position to list the good & bad of each?
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #143 on: June 21, 2013, 09:47:42 am »
@AlanB; again, AMEN brother.
@Dwerg; I found that RR interesting only ,it's not nearly as technical as the kind of riding that I was referring too.

(I had to ride Sidetrack's 450 up one of the section, that's how hard it was. 690's made it up there without much fuss)
After that ride, the 690 became the clear benchmark for me and it's no surprise that Sidetrack went looking for a 610 to add to his garage a week thereafter.
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #144 on: June 21, 2013, 09:58:14 am »
Weird thread..............what is about ?

The KTM 690 or the Tenere 660 ?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



It is unfair to compare, as it is 2 totally different bikes designed with 2 totally different
applications in mind.
Yes the Tenere will be a better adventure tourer and less capable in the rougher stuff.
Although not totally useless, it was not designed for the really rough stuff.

The 690 will be a shitty adventure tourer (long distance) but more capable in the rougher stuff.


But then this thread was never about the KTM 690, was it ?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #145 on: June 21, 2013, 10:02:02 am »
The point that I'm trying to make is that the XTZ was obviously not built for our kind of DS rides and thats fine.
Still crap that we have only one choice in the 690 :(

As a side note, we had to cancel our Eastern Cape ride due to the fact that our "DS" bikes will be crappy for the most part and it's definitely here where the XTZ will be awesome!

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #146 on: June 21, 2013, 10:02:51 am »
Even KTM markets the 690 as an Enduro
But I am glad we get to fight with the KTM guys a bit, the BMW guys must be feeling left out
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #147 on: June 21, 2013, 10:06:04 am »
 
Weird thread..............what is about ?

The KTM 690 or the Tenere 660 ?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I was kind of hoping that the 660 will come close to being "the-one-bike-for-all-applications"
Similar bikes in this realm are the XRR, 690 and 610. This is why they have been mentioned in this thread
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #148 on: June 21, 2013, 10:10:50 am »
Weird thread..............what is about ?

The KTM 690 or the Tenere 660 ?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



It is unfair to compare, as it is 2 totally different bikes designed with 2 totally different
applications in mind.
Yes the Tenere will be a better adventure tourer and less capable in the rougher stuff.
Although not totally useless, it was not designed for the really rough stuff.

The 690 will be a shitty adventure tourer (long distance) but more capable in the rougher stuff.


But then this thread was never about the KTM 690, was it ?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

agreed, totally different bikes meant for different applications.

Like comparing my old KLR to my XRR.

I loved my KLR, could put a moerofa box on the back with a tent and mattress and sleeping bag and 5 days clothes. Comfortable seat, good wind protection, 400km range, reliable as anything.

The XR can't take luggage, rock hard seat, no wind protection, gulps fuel.

But for the type of riding that I found I was doing, the XR is streets ahead, it is an absolute pleasure to ride and I could never see myself going back to the KLR.
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #149 on: June 21, 2013, 10:23:43 am »
The point that I'm trying to make is that the XTZ was obviously not built for our kind of DS rides and thats fine.
Still crap that we have only one choice in the 690 :(

As a side note, we had to cancel our Eastern Cape ride due to the fact that our "DS" bikes will be crappy for the most part and it's definitely here where the XTZ will be awesome!

This is why huge "D/S" bikes sell well here, they do the good roads really well and their riders are willing, or forced to abandon the real adventure riding in favour of highway cruising. It is a pity, because a midsize D/S bike is such a versatile tool.
GJ has done trips with me where we cover just under a 1000kms in a day, him on his 690. And he is not that tough :pot:
 

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #150 on: June 21, 2013, 10:39:43 am »
I would take a 690 for the rough stuff any day. To go on longer trip, no thank you.
And this is the whole point.
There are very capable Enduro type bikes available, but please let me know which mid size bike could handle a longer adventure trip loaded with tent and all.
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #151 on: June 21, 2013, 10:57:14 am »
I can understand where the 690 guys come from and understand their reasoning.

My previous bike was a DRZ that was tuned to perfection and adapted for dualsport purposes.
Bigger tank, changed sprocket ratios for cruising etc.
It was an fantastic bike when the going got tough, and on most occasions the bigger
glamorous bikes was left behind as it was just "blip-blip" and I was through and over
obstacles.
It felt great and the bike gave me lots of confidence.  :ricky:

The downside was that it was not a very fast open roader cruiser.
115 km/h cruising as to not overextend the engine.


Great bike but also an enduro bike that was doing dualsport riding reasonably, but not
fantastically.
It was only great when the going got tough.....................which was less than
5% of all my riding.

So now I have a Tenere, which from a practical viewpoint makes more sense as it
makes more sense in 95% of situasions.
Dont discard the Tenere though, I've taken it through heavy mud and lots of sand
and it never failed to perform.................not as good as the DRZ perhaps, but it did
what was expected or rather what it was challenged for.
 

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #152 on: June 21, 2013, 11:42:21 am »
Thanks Operator, it makes sense.
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #153 on: June 21, 2013, 01:32:05 pm »
I can tell you what Jules wil say... he loves his his 690, but misses his 660.
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #154 on: June 21, 2013, 11:31:11 pm »
So, to sum up then, we all disagree on what exactly is
                                                                                     1. A dual sport bike.
                                                                                     2. An adventure bike.
                                                                                     3. An on/off road bike.
                                                                                     4. A trail bike.

BUT, we all agree that we want all of the above in one machine, and until some manufacturer makes one, we'll keep on
re-hashing the same old arguments over and over. And if someone does come up with such a machine, the ABC fans will trash it because it's not an XYZ, and the Hammazokki fans will say it's rubbish anyway.
OH, and some superannuated old git will have to moan that it's got too much friggin electronics!
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #155 on: June 22, 2013, 12:58:52 am »
Modern bikes has too much electronics!
 

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #156 on: June 22, 2013, 08:08:52 am »
bwahaha
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