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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #80 on: June 18, 2013, 08:41:14 pm »
Anyone interested in a Tenere this is the one I went to have a look @ Cayenne :

http://www.cayenne.co.za/2013/?cars=2010-yamaha-xt660z-tenere
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #81 on: June 18, 2013, 09:17:10 pm »
Oos Kaap trip sal lekker wees met daardie 660

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2013, 07:06:14 pm »
@ ALANB

IS THAT BIKE IN THE PICTURE YOU HAVE THERE NOT MORE AN ENDURO BIKE THAN A "DS" BIKE???? ???
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #83 on: June 19, 2013, 07:30:55 pm »
There is no better bike the xt660Z, and if you do not like my statement go look for sympathy with a KTM, BMW, Honda, Suzuki (or what ever brand you own/like) fan and he/she will share your views.

This debate of bike model 'X' from brand 'A' is better then mike model 'Y' from brand 'B' is a useless in most cases.  We each buy the bike that we like most most and we will find a 101 reasons to tell other brand owners that our brand is so much better then theirs.

The truth of the matter is that each model regardless of brand has been designed for a specific purpose, and they all come with their quirks. 

Some manufactures DS bikes lean towards road capability, others towards off road capability.  At the end of the day they can all reach the destination.

 

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #84 on: June 19, 2013, 08:33:30 pm »
@ ALANB

IS THAT BIKE IN THE PICTURE YOU HAVE THERE NOT MORE AN ENDURO BIKE THAN A "DS" BIKE???? ???

No its a DS bike.  But then I suppose it depends what you want to call a DS bike.  Which is a debate that's been going strong with no resolution for years.

But to answer your question its a Husky TE610.  Its similar to the KTM 690 and XR650R, that sort of thing.  There's no denying that it has a enduro/racing heritage as do the other bikes I mentioned, but you can cruise long distance on tar at 130-140 and still do fairly serious off road which to me makes it a true dual sport, but with more an off road bias than many other bikes.  Its not really designed for hard core enduro though.  You would be better off on a 300 or 450 max in most cases for that.

Whether its better to get an off road orientated bike that can still cruise on tar, or get a road bike that can still do dirt will depend very much on your personal requirements and preferences (hence the eternal debate).   

Personally I far prefer the former.   Its just a pity that that so few models of this type are available IMO.

Most people seem to prefer the road orientated approach.  BMW certainly have dominated the market with road bikes adapted to dirt.

Personally, I would call some of the bigger bikes more "adventure tourers" than "dual sport" bikes (the "sport" to me implies some sort of racing heritage or intention, but I think I'm the only one that sees it that way  :-\).
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #85 on: June 19, 2013, 09:23:45 pm »
Ping sidetrack, have you gone to look at the new 650 husky? (i think its new? Tr650 or whatnot) I want to go test ride this weekend...
 

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #86 on: June 19, 2013, 09:29:49 pm »
Eerste keer wat ek dit sien, centurion husky het so n vol kit model op die vloer.
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #87 on: June 19, 2013, 10:34:49 pm »
Eerste keer wat ek dit sien, centurion husky het so n vol kit model op die vloer.


Ja, dis 'n BMW Xchallenge met ander plastics op  ;D ;D ;D ;D
 

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #88 on: June 19, 2013, 11:51:33 pm »
@ ALANB

IS THAT BIKE IN THE PICTURE YOU HAVE THERE NOT MORE AN ENDURO BIKE THAN A "DS" BIKE???? ???

No its a DS bike.  But then I suppose it depends what you want to call a DS bike.  Which is a debate that's been going strong with no resolution for years.

But to answer your question its a Husky TE610.  Its similar to the KTM 690 and XR650R, that sort of thing.  There's no denying that it has a enduro/racing heritage as do the other bikes I mentioned, but you can cruise long distance on tar at 130-140 and still do fairly serious off road which to me makes it a true dual sport, but with more an off road bias than many other bikes.  Its not really designed for hard core enduro though.  You would be better off on a 300 or 450 max in most cases for that.

Whether its better to get an off road orientated bike that can still cruise on tar, or get a road bike that can still do dirt will depend very much on your personal requirements and preferences (hence the eternal debate).  

Personally I far prefer the former.   Its just a pity that that so few models of this type are available IMO.

Most people seem to prefer the road orientated approach.  BMW certainly have dominated the market with road bikes adapted to dirt.

Personally, I would call some of the bigger bikes more "adventure tourers" than "dual sport" bikes (the "sport" to me implies some sort of racing heritage or intention, but I think I'm the only one that sees it that way  :-\).
This is so true!
Don't feel alone Alan, there are a few on this forum who prefer true DS bikes.
At the end of the day they can all reach the destination.

This is beside the point; the question is, will you have to take the detour due to not being able to traverse the mountain range?
Yes, it sometimes suck using a 450 for DS rides, but nothing can prevent me from going where I want.
No river, no mountain, nothing. This is freedom to me.

Like I stated, the 690 impressed me big time in the mountains and if I had the money, I would trade my 450 for a 690 because it can do it all.
TE610's are pretty much just as capable, they are just very scarce and hard to come by.
I'm an impulsive buyer and it would kill me having to order parts from the States every time.

We need bikes like the 690, with Japanese badges on them, this is the true source of our disappointment!
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #89 on: June 20, 2013, 12:13:25 am »
At the end of the day they can all reach the destination.
This quote is still very true.
DS bikes are mostly limited by the talent of their riders.

I am sure you can send a XTZ660 up a goats trail   :biggrin:

 

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #90 on: June 20, 2013, 12:29:38 am »
I am sure you can send a XTZ660 up a goats trail   :biggrin:
OK here's a challenge to all you "XTZ can do it all" guys: As soon as the initiation in the homelands have completed and the 1st rain has fallen, bring your XTZ and see if you can complete the route.
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #91 on: June 20, 2013, 05:24:54 am »
wa die moer gaan die eindig? Eers was dit 'n kak bike, toe ry elkeen waar hy wil en met wat hy wil, nou chalange die plastics die DS bike op 4x4 track.

Ek nog net dankbaar dat die swaar BM's nie hier uitmekaar gehaal word nie, maar is seker dit sal ook nog gebeur.

Hier was al 'n paar waar woorde gespreek, maar dowe ore en groot ego's hoor dit nie.

Ek hou van Andy se bikes en ek like Dustmite se KLR, maar ek weeg 118kg en is 2m lank, so ek voel hulle is te klein en verkies die groter swaarder bikes waarmee ek ook maar oral gaan.

En nee, ek gaan niemand chalange nie en ook geen chalange aanvat nie. Ek vat 'n bike vir die dag en dis die chalange om die roete vir die dag met die keuse van bike klaar te maak. Selfs die 1200S is soms 'n chalange om weer by die huis te kry al is dit heelpad teerpad.

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #92 on: June 20, 2013, 06:02:30 am »
@ ALANB

IS THAT BIKE IN THE PICTURE YOU HAVE THERE NOT MORE AN ENDURO BIKE THAN A "DS" BIKE???? ???
Personally, I would call some of the bigger bikes more "adventure tourers" than "dual sport" bikes (the "sport" to me implies some sort of racing heritage or intention, but I think I'm the only one that sees it that way  :-\).

You are forgetting about the 'dual' part. Why should the name be changed to suit your riding preference and why can't the sport part be applied to the road?

Ek stem dat dit sal nice wees as daar 'n japanese 690/610 is maar almal weet die 660 is dit nie. En dankie tog want dis 'n great bike soos hy is  :deal:
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #93 on: June 20, 2013, 07:00:46 am »
Eerste keer wat ek dit sien, centurion husky het so n vol kit model op die vloer.


Ja, dis 'n BMW Xchallenge met ander plastics op  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ek hoop nie hy is so lui soos daai xchallange nie. Dit lyk nogal heel lekker, maar ek dink nie die verkoopsman het my die regte prys gegee nie..
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #94 on: June 20, 2013, 07:34:05 am »
Personally, I would call some of the bigger bikes more "adventure tourers" than "dual sport" bikes (the "sport" to me implies some sort of racing heritage or intention, but I think I'm the only one that sees it that way  :-\).

glad i own a Dakar that comes standard with racing heritage

the BMW F650RR won the Dakar - you dont get more racing than that

o wait you are now going to say that the Dakar is not racing and that you were more talking Roof of Africa kind of racing

race bike of today is useless overweigh pig of tomorrow

im doing 700km on my overweigh race bike today how far are you going ???
 

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #95 on: June 20, 2013, 07:42:16 am »
Personally, I would call some of the bigger bikes more "adventure tourers" than "dual sport" bikes (the "sport" to me implies some sort of racing heritage or intention, but I think I'm the only one that sees it that way  :-\).

glad i own a Dakar that comes standard with racing heritage

the BMW F650RR won the Dakar - you dont get more racing than that

o wait you are now going to say that the Dakar is not racing and that you were more talking Roof of Africa kind of racing

race bike of today is useless overweigh pig of tomorrow

im doing 700km on my overweigh race bike today how far are you going ???


The Dakar is a KTM event, but they don't mind if other brands enter..... :peepwall: :biggrin:
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #96 on: June 20, 2013, 07:42:30 am »
 
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« Reply #98 on: June 20, 2013, 07:45:10 am »
Read again. This time a little slower

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #99 on: June 20, 2013, 07:45:20 am »
Volgende jaar wen yamaha.... Dit hang net af wie vir jou span ry