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Re: End of Road for XR 650, KLR 650, DR 650?
« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2013, 10:34:32 am »
what excellent news!!!
 

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Re: End of Road for XR 650, KLR 650, DR 650?
« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2013, 10:47:39 am »
How is a KTM 690 safer, or whatever, than a XR650?
 

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Re: End of Road for XR 650, KLR 650, DR 650?
« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2013, 10:48:57 am »
KLR's aren't safe??? Nonsense. They are so slow you can only hurt yourself when standing still and falling over.

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Re: End of Road for XR 650, KLR 650, DR 650?
« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2013, 10:50:57 am »
How is a KTM 690 safer, or whatever, than a XR650?

It's not a safety thing - it's a technical issue

More than likely regarding emission controls and the fact that these bikes do not have catalytic converters
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Re: End of Road for XR 650, KLR 650, DR 650?
« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2013, 10:52:38 am »
Why should we be told what is good for us by some asshole in Brussels who probably wouldn't know a motorcycle from a manatee? Who the fuck's in charge here? It's time for a revolution. AMANDLA!!
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Re: End of Road for XR 650, KLR 650, DR 650?
« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2013, 11:02:44 am »
Why should we be told what is good for us by some asshole in Brussels who probably wouldn't know a motorcycle from a manatee? Who the fuck's in charge here? It's time for a revolution. AMANDLA!!

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Re: NO MORE KLR, DR & XR in SOUTH AFRICA
« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2013, 11:26:07 am »
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Re: NO MORE KLR, DR & XR in SOUTH AFRICA
« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2013, 12:06:01 pm »
Another example of the government busying themselves with shite instead of addressing serious issues:

Why not first sort out the stinking & smoking unroadworthy wrecks which endanger everyone's health and life on our roads?

It's just like the utmost importance of offering indigenous language classes at all primary schools. Who cares if the kids can't do maths and are barely able to read and write because they have no textbooks?


And in case you want to know where all the CO2 really comes from:
from: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-11/cfgd-crc111207.php

Table 6. Top-25 Highest CO2-Emitting Power Plants Worldwide

Plant City Country Tons of CO2
1 TAICHUNG Lung-Ching Township Taiwan (China) 41,300,000
2 PORYONG Poryong-gun South Korea 37,800,000
3 CASTLE PEAK Tuen Mun NT China 35,800,000
4 REFTINSKAYA SDPP Reftinsky Russia 33,000,000
5 TUOKETUO-1 Tuoketuo County China 32,400,000
6 MAILIAO FP Mailiao Taiwan (China) 32,400,000
7 VINDHYACHAL Sidhi Dist India 29,000,000
8 HEKINAN Hekinan Japan 28,900,000
9 KENDAL Witbank South Africa 28,600,000
10 JANSCHWALDE Peitz Germany 27,400,000

And BTW McSack please make sure you have spuds with your steak and not rice since rice contributes considerably to methane production and release into the atmosphere which is already full of cow farts.
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Re: NO MORE KLR, DR & XR in SOUTH AFRICA
« Reply #68 on: August 16, 2013, 12:28:20 pm »
Does anyone actually know what is contained in those two ominous SANS 200040 and 200047 standards? I find numerous results that they will be applicable to bike imports from 2014 on but I can't actually find the standards ???

I mean is it something equivalent to the Euro3 or Euro 4 rubbish?

If it's HC emission standards like the ones you find in the US we'll be fine since both XR and KLR fulfil them thanks to their secondary air systems, the DR is even fine without those gimmicks :D

The way I understand the issue is that a FULL HOMOLOGATION will be required which will be EXPENSIVE.
This means no small scale imports will be economically viable. Only sales numbers will pay for homologation cost.
I don't find any information re. any changes to homologation standards?

Am I wrong?

Should we maybe ask someone like a MP? Surely they will have to answer a few thousand concerned WD's?
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Re: NO MORE KLR, DR & XR in SOUTH AFRICA
« Reply #69 on: August 16, 2013, 12:47:05 pm »
Anything goverment spews , causes more damage to the enviroment than a billion cow farts

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Re: NO MORE KLR, DR & XR in SOUTH AFRICA
« Reply #70 on: August 16, 2013, 01:19:39 pm »
I posted the applicable legislation earlier in the thread:



I think that this is the legislation that is relevant here, but I'm no expert.

The dates all tie in to those that I was told.

http://www.nrcs.org.za/siteimgs/vc/L%20Category%20Comp.%20Spec%20(as%20Gaz).pdf%20(VC9098).pdf
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Re: NO MORE KLR, DR & XR in SOUTH AFRICA
« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2013, 01:51:22 pm »
I posted the applicable legislation earlier in the thread:



I think that this is the legislation that is relevant here, but I'm no expert.

The dates all tie in to those that I was told.

http://www.nrcs.org.za/siteimgs/vc/L%20Category%20Comp.%20Spec%20(as%20Gaz).pdf%20(VC9098).pdf

I actually had a look at that before I replied. I actually read through it :cheers:
It states that compliance with the SANS 20040 and SANS 20047 is required but nowhere can I find what the two standards require?

See my reply 68 above.
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Re: NO MORE KLR, DR & XR in SOUTH AFRICA
« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2013, 02:03:07 pm »
wtf.
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Re: NO MORE KLR, DR & XR in SOUTH AFRICA
« Reply #73 on: August 16, 2013, 03:10:34 pm »
Anything goverment spews , causes more damage to the enviroment than a billion cow farts

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Re: NO MORE KLR, DR & XR in SOUTH AFRICA
« Reply #74 on: August 16, 2013, 03:21:01 pm »
It states that compliance with the SANS 20040 and SANS 20047 is required but nowhere can I find what the two standards require?

SANS 20040
Title    Uniform provisions concerning the approval of motorcycles equipped with a positive-ignition engine with regard to the emission of gaseous pollutants by the engine
Date Approved    25-02-2005
Edition    1.00
Amendments    1A: International:2005-02-25
1C: International:2005-02-25
2A: International:2010-09-01
2C: International:2005-02-25
3C: International:2005-02-25
4C: International:2005-02-25
Abstract    This standard specifies the requirements for the emission of gaseous pollutants from positive-ignition engines of two-wheeled or three-wheeled motorcycles having an unladen mass of less than 400 kg and having a maximum design speed exceeding 50 km/h or cylinder capacity exceeding 50 cm3, or both.
International Relatedness    ECE R40
Date Reaffirmed    
Date Withdrawn    
Replaces    
Replaced By    
Use In Conjunction With    
Issued By    STANDARDS
Collation    
Price (ZAR, excl. VAT)    307.00
Shipping Costs (Hardcopy)    See Terms & Conditions for more details.
Stage Code    60.6:
Stage Date    2005-02-25
Committee    1031
ICS Number    13.040.50
ISBN    0-626-15657-2
Collection    
Cross-reference    
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Re: NO MORE KLR, DR & XR in SOUTH AFRICA
« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2013, 03:23:52 pm »
SANS 20047:2004
Edition 1 and ECE amdt 1 and nat. amdt 1
ECE R47:1981
Edition 1 and amdt 1
Table of changes
Change No. Date Scope
ECE amdt 1 2007 Amended to change the scope, to change the footnote in the
clause on approval, and to renumber the remaining footnotes.
Nat. amdt 1 2009 Amended to add information to the national foreword that relates
to the mandatory introduction of this standard.
National foreword
This South African standard was approved by National Committee SABS TC 1031, Category L
vehicles, in accordance with procedures of the SABS Standards Division, in compliance with
annex 3 of the WTO/TBT agreement.
This SANS document was published in August 2009.
This SANS document supersedes SANS 20047:2004 (edition 1).
The text of the ECE documents is reproduced unaltered.
For the compulsory application of this standard, the stringency level, the date of entry into force and
any additional requirements, if needed, are published in the applicable compulsory specification in
the Government Gazette.
Any mandatory introduction of this standard by reference through national or provincial legislation
should be subject to stakeholder consultation, before publication in the legislative notice and before
the introduction date. Nat. amdt 1
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E/ECE/324
E/ECE/TRANS/505 } Rev.1/Add.46/Amend.1
6 August 2007
AGREEMENT
CONCERNING THE ADOPTION OF UNIFORM TECHNICAL PRESCRIPTIONS
FOR WHEELED VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT AND PARTS WHICH CAN BE FITTED
AND/OR BE USED ON WHEELED VEHICLES AND THE CONDITIONS FOR
RECIPROCAL RECOGNITION OF APPROVALS GRANTED ON THE BASIS OF
THESE PRESCRIPTIONS ∗/
(Revision 2, including the amendments that entered into force on 16 October 1995)
_________
Addendum 46: Regulation No. 47
Amendment 1
Supplement 1 to the original version of the Regulation - Date of entry into force: 12 June 2007
UNIFORM PROVISIONS CONCERNING THE APPROVAL OF MOPEDS EQUIPPED
WITH A POSITIVE-IGNITION ENGINE WITH REGARD TO THE EMISSION OF
GASEOUS POLLUTANTS BY THE ENGINE
_________
UNITED NATIONS
∗/ Former title of the Agreement:
Agreement Concerning the Adoption of Uniform Conditions of Approval and Reciprocal Recognition of Approval for Motor
Vehicle Equipment and Parts, done at Geneva on 20 March 1958.
GE.07-
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Regulation No. 47
page 2
Paragraph 1., amend to read:
"1. SCOPE
"1.1. This Regulation applies to the emission of gaseous pollutants from positive-ignition
engines of vehicles of categories L1 and L2. 1/
_____________
1/ As defined in Annex 7 to the Consolidated Resolution on the Construction of Vehicles
(R.E.3) (document TRANS/WP.29/78/Rev.1/Amend.2 as last amended by Amend.4). "
Paragraph 4.4.1., the reference to footnote 1/ and footnote 1/, renumber as footnote 2/ and
amend to read:
"2/ 1 for Germany, 2 for France, 3 for Italy, 4 for the Netherlands, 5 for Sweden, 6 for
Belgium, 7 for Hungary, 8 for the Czech Republic, 9 for Spain, 10 for Serbia, 11 for the United
Kingdom, 12 for Austria, 13 for Luxembourg, 14 for Switzerland, 15 (vacant), 16 for Norway,
17 for Finland, 18 for Denmark, 19 for Romania, 20 for Poland, 21 for Portugal, 22 for the
Russian Federation, 23 for Greece, 24 for Ireland, 25 for Croatia, 26 for Slovenia, 27 for
Slovakia, 28 for Belarus, 29 for Estonia, 30 (vacant), 31 for Bosnia and Herzegovina, 32 for
Latvia, 33 (vacant), 34 for Bulgaria, 35 (vacant), 36 for Lithuania, 37 for Turkey, 38 (vacant),
39 for Azerbaijan, 40 for The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, 41 (vacant), 42 for the
European Community (Approvals are granted by its Member States using their respective ECE
symbol), 43 for Japan, 44 (vacant), 45 for Australia, 46 for Ukraine, 47 for South Africa, 48 for
New Zealand, 49 for Cyprus, 50 for Malta, 51 for the Republic of Korea, 52 for Malaysia, 53 for
Thailand, 54 and 55 (vacant) and 56 for Montenegro. Subsequent numbers shall be assigned to
other countries in the chronological order in which they ratify or accede to the Agreement
Concerning the Adoption of Uniform Technical Prescriptions for Wheeled Vehicles, Equipment
and Parts which can be Fitted and/or be Used on Wheeled Vehicles and the Conditions for
Reciprocal Recognition of Approvals Granted on the Basis of these Prescriptions, and the
numbers thus assigned shall be communicated by the Secretary-General of the United Nations to
the Contracting Parties to the Agreement."
Paragraph 8.3.2., the reference to footnote 1/ and footnote 1/, renumber as footnote 3/.
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E/ECE/324 Rev.1/Add.46
E/ECE/TRANS/505
28 August 1981
UNITED NATIONS
AGREEMENT
CONCERNING THE ADOPTION OF UNIFORM CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL
AND RECIPROCAL RECOGNITION OF APPROVAL
FOR MOTOR VEHICLE EQUIPMENT AND PARTS
done at Geneva on 20 March 1958
Addendum 46 : Regulation No. 47
Data of entry into force as an annex to the Agreement:
1 November 1981
UNIFORM PROVISIONS CONCERNING THE APPROVAL OF MOPEDS
EQUIPPED WITH A POSITIVE-IGNITION ENGINE WITH REGARD TO THE EMISSION OF
GASEOUS POLLUTANTS BY THE ENGINE
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Re: NO MORE KLR, DR & XR in SOUTH AFRICA
« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2013, 03:25:25 pm »
From what I can understand, SANS 20047 is an amendment on SANS 20040 to include the prescribed motorcycles in more categories?

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Re: NO MORE KLR, DR & XR in SOUTH AFRICA
« Reply #77 on: August 16, 2013, 05:21:10 pm »
And any motorcycle examined after the implementation of these new laws, and found to have the Catalytic converter removed, will be in contravention of the law, and duly impounded.

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Re: NO MORE KLR, DR & XR in SOUTH AFRICA
« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2013, 07:02:22 pm »
WTF, First world laws in a third world country! Its legal to have a donkey cart overloaded on a public road with a child driving but cannot have an offroad vehicle with brakes and a competent licenced driver? Now this issue. Sorry for going off the topic but this sort of thing makes no sense to me! SANS this and SANS that, Suppose we just have to accept that we live in a country with double standards. Lets wait and see whats next, until then, Ride and be Free!  :dousing:
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Re: NO MORE KLR, DR & XR in SOUTH AFRICA
« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2013, 07:07:57 pm »
WTF, First world laws in a third world country! Its legal to have a donkey cart overloaded on a public road with a child driving but cannot have an offroad vehicle with brakes and a competent licenced driver? Now this issue. Sorry for going off the topic but this sort of thing makes no sense to me! SANS this and SANS that, Suppose we just have to accept that we live in a country with double standards. Lets wait and see whats next, until then,

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